How's this for a transformation??

Hanley

Marc Bartley - Powerlifter

Tore his knee apart this time last year under an 1,100lb (I think) squat, as a result he couldn't do any serious heavy training for some time so he decided to work on getting in shape.

Impressive, eh?

amazingemmet

Looks like a different person.

puntosporting

Feck me thats impressive!

FunkZ

Whoa he done great!

rubadub

He's just sucking in his gut and using fancy lighting

the drifter

linky to origional article mr hanley please sir..

kevpants

Similar to the many sizes of Chuck Vogelpohl

Little Chuck


Big Chuck (on the left)


But always.....mad Chuck

dave80

crazy amount of lose skin in the lower abs, should have never let himself get that fat in the first place

Degsy

Hanley wrote: »

Marc Bartley - Powerlifter

Tore his knee apart this time last year under an 1,100lb (I think) squat, as a result he couldn't do any serious heavy training for some time so he decided to work on getting in shape.

Impressive, eh?

See him on the left,injuries aside would he be stronger than him on the right?
I look like the left(ish).

kevpants

dave80 wrote: »

crazy amount of lose skin in the lower abs, should have never let himself get that fat in the first place

Yeah lazy bastard

He's a powerlifter, he's not going to squat close to 1200lbs with his current low bodyfat. The weight loss was side project while he rehab'd from this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9ZQT6uYOjI

Degsy wrote:

See him on the left,injuries aside would he be stronger than him on the right?

Yep

Wibbs

Amazing change. Then again he's incredibly focused and dedicated so not so much of a surprise with a will like that. Still, bloody hell.

dave80

kevpants wrote: »

he's not going to squat close to 1200lbs with his current low bodyfat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9ZQT6uYOjI

Yep

Tell ye wat he was closer too than a 1200lbs squat A HEART ATTACK

BrianD3

Big change and he has obviously lost a lot of bodyfat there. Now it may be stating the obvious I don't think the "big belly" that he has in the pic on the left bears a close relationship to the big belly of a sedentary obese individual even if it looks somewhat similar. He's a high level powerlifter - heavy squatting and the resultant ab bracing seems to produce a distended belly and large abdominal mass in powerlifters, the transverse abdominals struggle to hold this in and a big mass of muscle, food filled intestines, organs and fat protrudes. Sometimes you see what looks like a pregnant belly with a six pack on top of it. Some say that using a PL belt makes this more noticable as the lifter pushes his abs out hard against the belt.

Brian?

Can anyone explain to me why he's stronger when he's fatter though?

t-ha

Awesome! - pity about the loose skin of course, should never have gotten that fat (not that I can say anything! ).

celestial

briankeating wrote: »

Can anyone explain to me why he's stronger when he's fatter though?

He weighs more!

Brian?

celestial wrote: »

He weighs more!

That doesn't mean he has more muscle.

ronbyrne2005

Its not the fat that makes him stronger. The muscles under the fat are bigger /stronger than the ones when he hasnt high fat levels. He just doesnt watch his Body fat when powerlifting and doesnt restrict calories etc.

brianthebard

ronbyrne2005 wrote: »

Its not the fat that makes him stronger. The muscles under the fat are bigger /stronger than the ones when he hasnt high fat levels. He just doesnt watch his Body fat when powerlifting and doesnt restrict calories etc.

can you explain why the muscles ar bigger and or stronger under a high level of fat?

kevpants

brianthebard wrote: »

can you explain why the muscles ar bigger and or stronger under a high level of fat?

Because when he is training to get stronger he will be taking in massive amounts of calories. The result is extra mass, strength and fat.

If you are dieting to control your body fat you are going to restrict youyr strength gains. These guys care for nowt but the big numbers.

Roper

It's not that the muscles are stronger per se, but because on the left he is on a calorie plus diet he "should" be stronger. By the looks of it, a caorlie plus plus plus is what he was on!

Fair play to him though, that's some fat loss.

Hanley

brianthebard wrote: »

can you explain why the muscles ar bigger and or stronger under a high level of fat?

ronbyrne2005 wrote: »

Its not the fat that makes him stronger. The muscles under the fat are bigger /stronger than the ones when he hasnt high fat levels. He just doesnt watch his Body fat when powerlifting and doesnt restrict calories etc.

It's the extra fat, water, glycogen AND muscle that makes him stronger at that weight.

It's all about improving leverages. The area around his joints are bigger, which means a better platform to push off. Same goes for the bigger belly, a bigger waist is a stronger waist.

Brian?

Hanley wrote: »

It's the extra fat, water, glycogen AND muscle that makes him stronger at that weight.

It's all about improving leverages. The area around his joints are bigger, which means a better platform to push off. Same goes for the bigger belly, a bigger waist is a stronger waist.

That makes sense I suppose.

So would I be right in saying that the power/weight ratio is more important to an Olympic lifter than a power lifter or in power lifting competitions does the lifters weight get factored in as well?

Roper

briankeating wrote: »

That makes sense I suppose.

So would I be right in saying that the power/weight ratio is more important to an Olympic lifter than a power lifter or in power lifting competitions does the lifters weight get factored in as well?

Well Olympic lifting is "power" lifting, ie. it requires more power in the scientific sense of the word than power lifting does as you have to move the weights faster and over longer distances. So yes, obviously having more power at a lower weight is advantageous.

If you want to feel weak watch reruns of the women's weightlifting...

kevpants

briankeating wrote: »

So would I be right in saying that the power/weight ratio is more important to an Olympic lifter than a power lifter or in power lifting competitions does the lifters weight get factored in as well?

Powerlifting is done by weight category as well. so power:weight ratio is equally important.

brianthebard

Hanley wrote: »

It's the extra fat, water, glycogen AND muscle that makes him stronger at that weight. It's all about improving leverages. The area around his joints are bigger, which means a better platform to push off. Same goes for the bigger belly, a bigger waist is a stronger waist.

thank you,that explanation made much more sense.

De Deraco

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check out the this link or some good insparation
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=728136

Hanley

briankeating wrote: »

So would I be right in saying that the power/weight ratio is more important to an Olympic lifter than a power lifter or in power lifting competitions does the lifters weight get factored in as well?

Since there's specific bodyweight classes it's not all THAT important. The lighter guys can obviously lift more multiples of their own bodyweight than the heavyweights and the supers. Same as in olympic lifting.

In both sports there's also a coefficient score that's worked out whereby your bodyweight is designated as a certain non-whole number <1, and this is multipled by the weight you lift to give a points total, and decide the champion of champions.

The number's aren't a linear progression because strength isn't linear as you move up in bodyweight. So a 75kg squatting 3x bodyweight scores less than a 125kg guy squatting 3x bodyweight.

Pen1987

briankeating wrote: »

Can anyone explain to me why he's stronger when he's fatter though?

Its to do with leverages I think.


I did that to my knee. Its the most painful thing in the WHOLE WIDE WORLD.

Hanley

dave80 wrote: »

crazy amount of lose skin in the lower abs, should have never let himself get that fat in the first place

Pretty sure he "let himself" get that fat so he could lift weights that are out of the reach of most mere mortals. Getting that size when you train as hard as a top powerlifter doesn't just "happen". It needs to be forced. You'd be shocked to hear the type and quantity of food these guys are pounding down so they can keep their weight up.

dave80 wrote: »

Tell ye wat he was closer too than a 1200lbs squat A HEART ATTACK

Lol... He squatted 1125lb. So he must have only been 74lb or less away from a heart attack...??

I reckon gaining 75lb on his squat's probably easier than 74 or less lb on his bodyweight!

So he probably was closer to the 1200lb squat than a heart attack

Btw, you'd be surprised how closely some of those guys monitor their health. They might not always pay attention to what the doc says, but you can be sure they're not standing at death's door.

Brian?

Hanley wrote: »

Since there's specific bodyweight classes it's not all THAT important. The lighter guys can obviously lift more multiples of their own bodyweight than the heavyweights and the supers. Same as in olympic lifting.

In both sports there's also a coefficient score that's worked out whereby your bodyweight is designated as a certain non-whole number <1, and this is multipled by the weight you lift to give a points total, and decide the champion of champions.

The number's aren't a linear progression because strength isn't linear as you move up in bodyweight. So a 75kg squatting 3x bodyweight scores less than a 125kg guy squatting 3x bodyweight.

Thats the answer I was looking for alright.

I was also wondering, if 2 lifters compete in the same weight class and lift the same weight is the winner decided by who's lighter?

dave80

Hanley wrote: »

Pretty sure he "let himself" get that fat so he could lift weights that are out of the reach of most mere mortals. Getting that size when you train as hard as a top powerlifter doesn't just "happen". It needs to be forced. You'd be shocked to hear the type and quantity of food these guys are pounding down so they can keep their weight up.



Lol... He squatted 1125lb. So he must have only been 74lb or less away from a heart attack...??

I reckon gaining 75lb on his squat's probably easier than 74 or less lb on his bodyweight!

So he probably was closer to the 1200lb squat than a heart attack

Btw, you'd be surprised how closely some of those guys monitor their health. They might not always pay attention to what the doc says, but you can be sure they're not standing at death's door.

Granted he is one of the best 275lbers in the world, but is it worth the health risks to be able to say that? (and iam sure hes over 275lb off season) obviously its a personnal choice but for me its not the way id want to go! ye can monitor your health till the cows come home but if you dont do anything about it its a pointless exercise

Hanley

dave80 wrote: »

Granted he is one of the best 275lbers in the world, but is it worth the health risks to be able to say that? (and iam sure hes over 275lb off season) obviously its a personnal choice but for me its not the way id want to go! ye can monitor your health till the cows come home but if you dont do anything about it its a pointless exercise

Well obviously to him it is... He might say what's the point in being a 220lb guy with an ok physique who can't bench even bench 315lb...

And no, it's not a pointless exercise. If you monitor your health, and there's nothing wrong with it then there's no point in doing anything because you're already "healthy" (insofar as you're not at severe risk of serious health concerns). So why bother changing things?? If you were to try and change things when you are already relatively healthy then that would be pretty "pointless", no?

dave80

Hanley wrote: »

Well obviously to him it is...

like i said its a personnal choice

[/quote]He might say what's the point in being a 220lb guy with an ok physique who can't bench even bench 315lb...[/quote]

personnal opion again


[/quote]And no, it's not a pointless exercise. If you monitor your health, and there's nothing wrong with it then there's no point in doing anything because you're already "healthy" [/quote]

Wat i meant was if there was something wrong and they just choice to ignor it, i know of 1 person that died because they chose to ignor side efects of being over weight and using aas!

Hanley

dave80 wrote: »

like i said its a personnal choice

He might say what's the point in being a 220lb guy with an ok physique who can't bench even bench 315lb...

personnal opion again

I know all that.... Why are you criticsing him for his personal choices so? There's no need. He's now leaner and carrying more muscle than pretty much everyone on this board. He's a hell of a lot stronger too.

And no, it's not a pointless exercise. If you monitor your health, and there's nothing wrong with it then there's no point in doing anything because you're already "healthy"

Wat i meant was if there was something wrong and they just choice to ignor it, i know of 1 person that died because they chose to ignor side efects of being over weight and using aas!

Who's to say he did do that?

Steroid use isn't overly complicated, you'd have to try really hard for it to be fatal. Of course there's nasty sides like gyno etc, but I know A LOT of people using, and pretty much everyone of them is managing just fine. If you were hitting oral only cycles for 6 months then you should be expecting to melt your liver, but a lot of people don't seem to do the necessary research to uncover this.

Besides, the majority of pro-BB deaths from "steroids" has actually been from diuretics (momo benzina, andreas munzer, paul dillet's imfamous "freeze" on stage etc).

dave80

Hanley wrote: »

I know all that.... Why are you criticsing him for his personal choices so? There's no need. He's now leaner and carrying more muscle than pretty much everyone on this board. He's a hell of a lot stronger too.



Who's to say he did do that?

Steroid use isn't overly complicated, you'd have to try really hard for it to be fatal. Of course there's nasty sides like gyno etc, but I know A LOT of people using, and pretty much everyone of them is managing just fine. If you were hitting oral only cycles for 6 months then you should be expecting to melt your liver, but a lot of people don't seem to do the necessary research to uncover this.

Besides, the majority of pro-BB deaths from "steroids" has actually been from diuretics (momo benzina, andreas munzer, paul dillet's imfamous "freeze" on stage etc).

because some peoples personnal choices suck, like using heroine for the first time, stepping out between 2 parked cars and eating yourself up to 300lbs so you can squat 1200lbs

Hanley

dave80 wrote: »

because some peoples personnal choices suck, like using heroine for the first time, stepping out between 2 parked cars and eating yourself up to 300lbs so you can squat 1200lbs

In your opinion.

I don't see the point in posting in a thread where a guy has made a HUGE change to his physique, and now looks fantastic, just so you can say "he should never have let himself get that fat anyway".

I just don't understand it.

Dragan

dave80,

I suggest you call it a day in this thread.

The ironing is just too delicious for me to have anymore thanks.

Dragan
- Moderator
- Internet Bad Ass

dave80

Hanley wrote: »

In your opinion.

I don't see the point in posting in a thread where a guy has made a HUGE change to his physique, and now looks fantastic, just so you can say "he should never have let himself get that fat anyway".

I just don't understand it.

yes my opinion which iam entitled to like everybody else!

Dragan

dave80 wrote: »

yes my opinion which iam entitled to like everybody else!

Which part of my post didn't you see?

Infracted.

Blazher

Great work.


Its not as easy as "Why did he let himself get that fat" Thats not important the fact is he did something about it! And i can honestly say it has made me think long and hard about myself.

Great working!


Thanks

Malteaser!

Amazing transformation!! I wouldn't even have known it was him, the only real tell-tale sign is the little dimple on his chin!

Mikel

I wonder now that he has that physique will he eat his way back up.

Canis Lupus

WOW. It's amazing what you can achieve with lipotrim :P