Anyone on here have a track cog lockring tool?

blorg

New bike came without the fixed side attached- this is what I have:



I think I need something like this:



If anyone has one and I could call over/borrow it I would much appreciate it.

You could maybe also explain to me what these things are

stuf

my new hubs/cogs arrived today and will be in the same boat come this evening - will check my tool kit and get back to you

stuf

blorg wrote: »

You could maybe also explain to me what these things are

I think those things are to control the chain tension once you've determined it - if of course that's the things you're referring to

blorg

stuf wrote: »

I think those things are to control the chain tension once you've determined it - if of course that's the things you're referring to

I think that is indeed that I am referring to Wasn't quite sure if it was that or some sort of backup wheel retention device.

stuf

BTW - what's the bike?

I thought my fixie would be going by this weekend but CRC sent me the wrong rims - hopefully the turnaround on the return will be quick

Gavin

I've got one from my lidl toolkit which should do the job methinks Blorg if you want to borrow it.

stuf

that's lucky because there isn't one in my kit - just checked the pic on wiggle

Going to buy my own one anyway if I can't find my old school flat multi-spanner.

BTW Verb - how did you get on with changing your freewheel? What tool was needed over and above a chainwhip?

thesunwashot

I got a Dura Ace track tool off the web which has a 1/8th inch Chainwhip and a really good lockring spanner.

I previously had BBB versions of both which were not even close in quality. The BBB lockring spanner did more damage than good on hub lockrings. I think it was designed for larger toothed Bottom Bracket rings.

Anyway, I'm happy to help you out if you still need the tool.

I'm in Knocklyon but can bring it into work in the city centre if that makes things easier...

Gavin

stuf wrote: »

that's lucky because there isn't one in my kit - just checked the pic on wiggle

Going to buy my own one anyway if I can't find my old school flat multi-spanner.

Hmm. It doesn't actually look like the tool above, it's a hinged device, I've used it to remove the lockring from a cup and cone BB, but I believe it is the same tool.



It's the one second down from the top on the left.

BTW Verb - how did you get on with changing your freewheel? What tool was needed over and above a chainwhip?

The Shimano BMX screw-on freewheel ? I haven't finished that yet actually. It screws on fine. Getting it off is the problem. I will just make sure I get it right before I screw it on really tight though. If I get stuck I'll go get the right tool.

Must get back to that bike actually, meant to sort if for my brother's birthday.

Gavin

Verb wrote: »

Hmm. It doesn't actually look like the tool above, it's a hinged device, I've used it to remove the lockring from a cup and cone BB, but I believe it is the same tool.

Ah, maybe it's not the right tool then, if thesunwashot tried the same thing.

thesunwashot

I had a singlespeed freewheel like this on my bike:

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=7805

I removed it using one of these:

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=10034

As far as I remember I didn't need to use a chainwhip.

blorg

@Verb- that looks like it _might_ be the right sort of thing, maybe not though.

I've also noticed that it has this sort of rubber ring (this was actually in a different bag than the cog/lockring) that fits exactly into the lockring. Any ideas?



The bike is the least glamorous fixie that money can buy

fish-head

I've got a big sturdy assed Shimano Dura Ace one. Where are you based?

I also have a much better chain tensioner if you'd like it.

Gavin

No idea wot the rubber wotsit is for. I think it's a nice bike ! Paint it yellow and you're onto a winner.

stuf

Bowery's a nice looking bike and light as a feather from my memory.

Was thinking the rubber thing might be a spacer for the cog but can't see why rubber would be used. Might be worth asking in an LBS that sells them. Something like "I've heard that this Giant Bowery that I'm really interested in buying might come with a mysterious rubber ring which is the same size as the track lockring - any idea what it's for?"

hmmm - maybe it's for tying back dreadlocks into a pony tail

Thomas_S_Hunterson

Could be to increase the friction between the cog and the lockring to reduce any potential movement?

unionman

Nice Bowery blorg!

As you are going fixed side, that erm..thingummy, whatchacallit...back brake!! That's the one, you won't be needing it.

Zen thing, etc etc etc...

LDB

That's mad Blorg ... I have one of these on order!! great minds and all that.
hope to have it later in the week.

blorg

LDB wrote: »

That's mad Blorg ... I have one of these on order!! great minds and all that.
hope to have it later in the week.

Caroline is also considering one Even singlespeed it rides really nicely, no problem getting up my commute from Ranelagh to Sandyford (the other direction I tend to spin out but just means I take it a bit easier.)

@fish-head- that is a lockring tool you have, not the actual lockring? I'm in Ranelagh/work in Sandyford, can pick up/drop back the tool or maybe even do it in situ (don't think it should take that long?)

LDB

Caroline is also considering one Even singlespeed it rides really nicely, no problem getting up my commute from Ranelagh to Sandyford (the other direction I tend to spin out but just means I take it a bit easier.)

ha! no way. there must be something in the (rain)water!

jefferson73

blorg wrote: »

New bike came without the fixed side attached- this is what I have:



I think I need something like this:



If anyone has one and I could call over/borrow it I would much appreciate it.

You could maybe also explain to me what these things are

I have that exact tool, i'm in Harolds cross if you want to borrow it. Email or PM if interested.

Looks like chain tugs for chain tension.

Caroline_ie

Nice Looks great

penexpers

blorg wrote: »

I think that is indeed that I am referring to Wasn't quite sure if it was that or some sort of backup wheel retention device.

I think it's wheel rentention too. My Surly Cross Check which has semi-horizontal dropouts came with the same kind of idea, the screws help offset any rear force that is generated when you cycle. Not sure why they have included it on this bike though, imo it's only useful with QR skewers.

Gavin

penexpers wrote: »

I think it's wheel rentention too. My Surly Cross Check which has semi-horizontal dropouts came with the same kind of idea, the screws help offset any rear force that is generated when you cycle. Not sure why they have included it on this bike though, imo it's only useful with QR skewers.

Getting chain tension right as the others have said. Used on BMX's and bikes with track ends. Not designed for horizontal dropouts but can be used on them as well. They typically do not work with QR skewers, being too wide, but the surly tuggnutt (which might be on your bike) has a small adaptor for QR

lukester

Hehe, this is too funny, I picked up a Bowery too

The rubber ring thingy is an insert for the seat post, only figured that out after inserting the seatpost without it. The plastic clamp for the seatpost has lugs that sort of sit into the rubber ring.

As for the chain tugs, I spent a while trying to figure out how best to use them, but the best advice I could find online was to tighten the wheel nuts to a little over finger tight, then tighten the chain side to get chain tension right (about 1/2 inch of play) and then tighten the other one to get the wheel straight.

It's a nice bike, I like it more in real life than in photos. I took it for a spin out to Killiney from town, up Vico road, and it's easy enough to climb those kinds of hills, had to feather the brakes coming down though.

We'll have to have a Bowery meet one of these days

Edit: I also have a lockring tool and chainwhip if you need a loan and aren't already sorted, based in city centre

LDB

you too lukester, that's gas. I didn't realise they were so popular. the tips you guys have posted will no doubt be useful to me when I have to set mine up.

blorg

lukester wrote: »

The rubber ring thingy is an insert for the seat post, only figured that out after inserting the seatpost without it. The plastic clamp for the seatpost has lugs that sort of sit into the rubber ring.

Ah, that makes sense, although I currently have the seatpost in without it. Probably it is just to keep rain out of the tube as the shim has a few holes in it.

lukester wrote: »

We'll have to have a Bowery meet one of these days

Yes, I reckon this Bowery is looking like the fixie equivalent of a Focus for Boards.ie.

lukester wrote: »

Edit: I also have a lockring tool and chainwhip if you need a loan and aren't already sorted, based in city centre

Thanks- Fish-head has kindly offered to sort me out with that one.

lukester

Hehe, team Boards on Bowerys next year for the W200..anyone?

blorg

lukester wrote: »

Hehe, team Boards on Bowerys next year for the W200..anyone?

W200? You're on you're own, I'll be on my Focus. Wouldn't mind trying a few fixie spins though, geared cyclists would of course be welcome but might find the going a bit frustrating!

Had my first singlespeed commuter race yesterday Guy with a Giant road bike and AG2R kit IIRC. Unfortunately downhill on my way home so I was finding it very tough, cadence was through the roof! He complimented me on the bike at the lights so it can't be too ugly I reckon. The gear ratio I have seems perfect for the gentle climb up to Sandyford so I am hoping to find a worthy opponent on that one.

penexpers

Verb wrote: »

Getting chain tension right as the others have said. Used on BMX's and bikes with track ends. Not designed for horizontal dropouts but can be used on them as well. They typically do not work with QR skewers, being too wide, but the surly tuggnutt (which might be on your bike) has a small adaptor for QR

I think we are talking about different things? I'm specifically talking about the screw and nut that seem to be holding the axle in place.

lukester

blorg wrote: »

W200? You're on you're own, I'll be on my Focus. Wouldn't mind trying a few fixie spins though, geared cyclists would of course be welcome but might find the going a bit frustrating!

Had my first singlespeed commuter race yesterday Guy with a Giant road bike and AG2R kit IIRC. Unfortunately downhill on my way home so I was finding it very tough, cadence was through the roof! He complimented me on the bike at the lights so it can't be too ugly I reckon. The gear ratio I have seems perfect for the gentle climb up to Sandyford so I am hoping to find a worthy opponent on that one.

Hehe..I'm not quite mad enough to try the W200 on a single speed. A fixed gear spin sounds like a good idea, throw in a few gentleish hills.

I've had a good few compliments on the bike, I think it's got sleeper charm. Obviously the track purists and couriers will sneer, but I have to say I'm very fond of it. I find myself wanting to just go out on short spins on it all the time, I am liking the fixed experience.

lukester

penexpers wrote: »

I think we are talking about different things? I'm specifically talking about the screw and nut that seem to be holding the axle in place.

On the Bowery it comes with track nuts which holds the axle in place and then chain tugs which serve as extra strength to stop the wheel being pulled forward under heavy load, and are also handy for chain adjustment/wheel alignment.

(Most of the above information is copyright Google Ltd . The rest is the result of trial and error)

hunnymonster

LDB wrote: »

ha! no way. there must be something in the (rain)water!

yep, we're getting the same weird water in Cork. Where did you purchase Blorg?

blorg

hunnymonster wrote: »

yep, we're getting the same weird water in Cork. Where did you purchase Blorg?

I got it from Pearson Cycles for £225 + £20 shipping (they did me a deal on the shipping as their shopping cart misquoted, YMMV.) Came out as €315 on my credit card. Caroline found that offer so it is thanks to her I have the bike!

blorg

Thanks to fish-head I now have the track cog on and thus have a fixie (will bring your tool back soon, honest!) Took it up the mountains this morning on the way into work, it is surprisingly nippy and I got up faster than I normally do, lower cadence than normal of course but reckon the inertia of the cranks really helped. Going down was a bit trickier



Is my chain tension OK in the above (can you tell from a photo?) There is a very slight pause before engagement when back pedalling.

lukester

blorg wrote: »

Is my chain tension OK in the above (can you tell from a photo?) There is a very slight pause before engagement when back pedalling.

Hard to tell from a picture really, but the play should be around 1/4 to 1/2 an inch, if you pull the chain up and down at the midpoint between chainring and cog. I had some tight spots in my chain, which I may just live with..possible to get too anal with these things

Just had a look at the second photo, there appears to be visible slack on the upper run of the chain..looks a tad loose on that basis...

blorg

lukester wrote: »

Hard to tell from a picture really, but the play should be around 1/4 to 1/2 an inch, if you pull the chain up and down at the midpoint between chainring and cog. I had some tight spots in my chain, which I may just live with..possible to get too anal with these things

Just had a look at the second photo, there appears to be visible slack on the upper run of the chain..looks a tad loose on that basis...

Thanks. I think I might be closer to an inch of play, I'll try to fix that up tonight. Would you have any ideas for a step by step guide as to how to get it right- how do the chain tugs work in particular?

fish-head

When you bring back the tool I'll give you a decent chaintug and show you how to set it up. Your tension looks a bit slack in the photo.

stuf

blorg wrote: »

Thanks. I think I might be closer to an inch of play, I'll try to fix that up tonight. Would you have any ideas for a step by step guide as to how to get it right- how do the chain tugs work in particular?

here's the great man's guide.

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/fixed.html#tension

not sure about the chain tugs though

EDIT - actually it looks fairly straightforward from the pic - turning the nuts clockwise pulls the axle towards the rear tightening the chain tension and vice-versa. Once you have your tension right then you tighten the axle nuts

blorg

fish-head wrote: »

When you bring back the tool I'll give you a decent chaintug and show you how to set it up. Your tension looks a bit slack in the photo.

Cheers, appreciate that. It may be the weekend- is that OK?

fish-head

blorg wrote: »

Cheers, appreciate that. It may be the weekend- is that OK?

Yeah no problem!

lukester

Hey blorg, just in case you want to try it out yourself, these are the steps I followed:

Loosen the track nuts enough to be able to move wheel, and loosen chain tugs, not fully, but enough that there's a decent bit of play in the chain.

Pull wheel fully back and tighten track nuts a little over finger tight. There should be decent play in the chain at this point. You don't need to pull the wheel hard, just pull back with normal force and tighten track nuts a little.

Now tighten the chain side tug slowly with one hand checking the chain tension as you go, i.e. pulling it up and down as you tighten. Keep tightening until the tension is about 1/2 an inch or so of play. At this point, the wheel should be slightly off centre, towards the chain side.

Tighten the other chain tug slowly, until the wheel is centred. I found this easiest to do by looking down at the wheel from above with the bike upside down as I tightened. You'll see the wheel straighten up as you do so.

Once the wheel is straight, tighten up the track nuts good and tight, and spin the cranks, test all is well, then take her for a spin.

I noticed there were some tight spots in my chain, so I set the slack/play at a point that was somewhere between the tightest and slackest spot if that makes sense.

Raam

As LDB has mentioned, she also got a Bowry. So, naturally I assumed the job of setting it up, but I can't see a bolt for the seat post clamp. Did you guys get one with yours?

lukester

Yep, mine came with a small cardboard box full of bits, (some mysterious ones) but there was a bag in there with seatpost clamp and a rubber ring that sits under the clamp. Did the bike come in the original Giant box?

Raam

lukester wrote: »

Yep, mine came with a small cardboard box full of bits, (some mysterious ones) but there was a bag in there with seatpost clamp and a rubber ring that sits under the clamp. Did the bike come in the original Giant box?

Aye, it was all boxed up and it had a wee box of sundry nuts and bolts, some of which I can discern no use for. We have the clamp, but I just can't see the actual bolt. You know, the one with the head for an allen key.

blorg

I am pretty sure the bolt was in the clamp already with mine- maybe it fell out with yours? Lukester filled my in on that mysterious rubber bit, stops water getting down the seatpost as the shim has hollow bits.

Raam

Cheers lads, we'll just grab one in an LBS.
One question, there is some metal sheet/plate type thing which I'm totally lost about. I know we won't actually be needing it, but curiousity is getting the better of me. It's about a hand-span wide, black in colour, has a hole in the middle and two wings on either side. Is it something to do with the chain guard?

Actually, one more question: the rubber bit Blorg mentioned... what is the orientation of it relative to the seatpost and the shim? Does it fit around the shim and under the lip of the shim? I'm not at home right now, so can't check for myself.

lukester

Was just gonna say, I think the bolt was in there with mine too.

lukester

Raam wrote: »

Cheers lads, we'll just grab one in an LBS.
One question, there is some metal sheet/plate type thing which I'm totally lost about. I know we won't actually be needing it, but curiousity is getting the better of me. It's about a hand-span wide, black in colour, has a hole in the middle and two wings on either side. Is it something to do with the chain guard?

Actually, one more question: the rubber bit Blorg mentioned... what is the orientation of it relative to the seatpost and the shim? Does it fit around the shim and under the lip of the shim? I'm not at home right now, so can't check for myself.

I wondered about that black thing too, it must be for the totally bizarre chainguard. Very Mr Bean-esque.

The ring sits into the seatpost, and there are tabs or lugs in the clamp IIRC that sit into it. It becomes obvious when you pop it onto the seatpost.

blorg

Raam wrote: »

I know we won't actually be needing it, but curiousity is getting the better of me. It's about a hand-span wide, black in colour, has a hole in the middle and two wings on either side. Is it something to do with the chain guard?

I can only assume- does this mean you won't be putting on the chain guard?

Actually, one more question: the rubber bit Blorg mentioned... what is the orientation of it relative to the seatpost and the shim? Does it fit around the shim and under the lip of the shim?

It goes around the seatpost, on top of the shim, with the protruding bits pointing down into the shim. The clamp then holds it in place. It will be more immediately obvious when you actually go to stick it together.

penexpers

blorg wrote: »

I can only assume- does this mean you won't be putting on the chain guard?

:eek: putting a chain guard on a fixie? what are you going to do next, get a pie plate for it?