There needs to be a line in The Thunderdome

PullMyFinger!

There needs to be some form of moderation for this kind of sh*te.

Is anything really allowed in there?

challengemaster

Actually, that post deserves a thanks.

Hagar

That's why I never play in there.

minxie

PullMyFinger! wrote: »

There needs to be some form of moderation for this kind of sh*te.

Is anything really allowed in there?

tis a strange post ....:rolleyes:

Sully

If you dont like The Thunderdome, ya just dont read in it.

There isnt really any limits. Thats the whole idea of the forum (good or bad).

Ruu_Old

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzyFmilkd80

Anything goes in the Thunderdome, good, bad or poor taste.

Sully

Deadly tune Ruu! You da man!

Slidey

Look the poster in question got some abuse..

I love the dome, its all about not giving a sh!te and having a laugh.

If you take it too serious you will end up eating cornflakes sprinkled with tears.

If you do cross the line.. karma is a bitch and takes no prisoners

kaimera

Sully wrote: »

If you dont like The Thunderdome, ya just dont read in it.

There isnt really any limits. Thats the whole idea of the forum (good or bad).

Actually the whole idea is

Two men enter, probably neither will leave, endlessly quoting each other and rebutting their points ad infinitum.

taken from the forum description

Mr Magnolia

Something similar cropped up before and an Admin saw fit to remove it, can't see this being much different.

I don't see that type of comment as being 'fair game' unless the recipient is a dome user/regular (I don't think Shane or Cathy is). The dome changed a couple of years ago [for the worse imo] to what it is now if people don't want to take part then they shouldn't be subjected to it.

Karl Hungus

In the sense of "Two men enter" I don't think someone should be insulting or attacking someone else, who doesn't post on the thunderdome. If someone steps into the dome, then they're fair game, but it shouldn't be a place for people to make jibes and snipe at other posters.

Earthhorse

Mr Magnolia wrote: »

I don't see that type of comment as being 'fair game' unless the recipient is a dome user/regular (I don't think Shane or Cathy is).

Karl Hungus wrote: »

In the sense of "Two men enter" I don't think someone should be insulting or attacking someone else, who doesn't post on the thunderdome. If someone steps into the dome, then they're fair game, but it shouldn't be a place for people to make jibes and snipe at other posters.

Agreed. The real problem here is that a thread that started life in AH got moved to The Thunderdome when there was no real need. Then it got resurrected when there were was no real need. A lock of the original thread would have sufficed.

tribulus

IvaBigWun is the ultimate thread bumper tbh!

Karl Hungus

Earthhorse wrote: »

Agreed. The real problem here is that a thread that started life in AH got moved to The Thunderdome when there was no real need. Then it got resurrected when there were was no real need. A lock of the original thread would have sufficed.

Ah, that's a rather big problem right there. People who don't contribute to the dome are being thrown into the arena against their will, and that shouldn't be happening at all.

witnessmenow

I agree with what your saying op, that post was out of line... but the dome is what it is.

Lets just say i won't be adding Piste to my buddy list... no sir-e

Also if you didn't link to it I wouldn't have seen it along with the majority of the rest of us... so in a way your advertising it.

Earthhorse

witnessmenow wrote: »

Also if you didn't link to it I wouldn't have seen it along with the majority of the rest of us... so in a way your advertising it.

If a post is made in the Thunderdome and nobody links to it, does it make a sound?

PullMyFinger!

witnessmenow wrote: »

Also if you didn't link to it I wouldn't have seen it along with the majority of the rest of us... so in a way your advertising it.

Im advertising that Piste is a gobsh#te.

takola

Yes but you're also making that comment, which is very going to be very hurtful to the people it's aimed at, very public. Only users who browse the dome would have seen it otherwise.

slideways wrote:

Look the poster in question got some abuse..

Where?

witnessmenow

I agree that the post is awful, I can definitely see how someone could get worked up about: I don't see Cathy's posts often, but any time I do she comes across as an extremely nice and helpful person and I can't imagine her feeling to good about that post if she ever comes across it. But dont go getting yourself banned over it for personal abuse, not worth it.

I'm not saying you were wrong to post the link I'm just saying that less people would have came across that particular post if it wasn't posted here.

witnessmenow

takola wrote: »

Yes but you're also making that comment, which is very going to be very hurtful to the people it's aimed at, very public. Only users who browse the dome would have seen it otherwise.

#looking at both sides of the coin#

even if it was only read by one person it still was out of line and shouldn't have been said.

kaimera

takola wrote: »

Yes but you're also making that comment, which is very going to be very hurtful to the people it's aimed at, very public. Only users who browse the dome would have seen it otherwise.

witnessmenow wrote: »

I'm not saying you were wrong to post the link I'm just saying that less people would have came across that particular post if it wasn't posted here.

Does that make it ok?

dammit, stupid mp3 stopped playing and I was a minute late posting

Amz

This "debate" crops up every couple of months, usually based on comments similar to those highlighted by the OP. Nothing has been resolved in the previous discussions and I doubt anything will be resolved now.

The "Don't read it if you don't like it" stuff is trotted out every time these issues are raised, but that doesn't solve anything. If you take that attitude with the thunderdome surely you should apply it elsewhere on the site. Why are the delicate sensibilities of the soccer forum contributers so protected yet other members of the site are subjected to very insensitive, at times, personal attacks.

Bullying, personal abuse etc. seem to be common territory in the Thunderdome and it's accepted there.

I was under the impression when the forum was started, that it was just a place for threads which had decended into bitchfests/endless circular discussions got moved to tidy up a particular forum and keep forums free from endless/pointless arguments. It should never have been the type of forum it is now. I was also under the impression that it should not have been a place where anyone could start a thread. If it had been kept in its original state then only threads moved there from other forums could have been contributed to. Thus avoiding the endless bollocksology and rubbishy threads that are now synonymous with the forum.

I very rarely read the forum, because it serves no function other than to allow people, who are incapable of articulate means of communication, throw insults and accusations around without any fear of reproach.

takola

witnessmenow wrote: »

#looking at both sides of the coin#

even if it was only read by one person it still was out of line and shouldn't have been said.

Absolutely. I completely agree. It's crossed the line and should never have been posted.

I only meant that this thread will highlight the comment. It may never have been read by the people it's aimed at if this thread had not been created. Not saying it's ok, it's not at all.

Overheal

Amz: Love the notion. kill the thread-start options in the dome.

Sully

I always thought the dome was an "anything goes" within reason. The reasons were very small. You could have a bitchfest with anyone, or threads that got that way in other forums could be moved there. I thought the stuff that the OP refered to was acceptable (and tbh, its a joke - dont go taking the head of the chap for **** sake) for the Dome and maybe even After Hours. Far worse has been said and done in the Dome.

The reason why the argument "If you dont like it, dont read it" applies is because I think that for most people who visit it or know about it - they think the whole idea of the Dome is that you get to do whatever you like. Something your not allowed do anywhere else on the site. Hence, if you are easily offended - avoid it. Its mostly all humour anyway.

Saying all that, I think maybe it should be just a forum where two people can have a fight, or group fights where people join in. Maybe its time we stopped allowing non forum users be dragged in and discussed. However, the admins who mod that forum have decided (so far) thats an area they wont visit (yet). They are the wise ones

One thing I dont agree with, and I very rarley read the dome, is banning all topic creations. If two people want to have it out, or if they want to start a thread and have a group fight - let em. Dont have it for a forum where ramble from other forums is put in - then the forum would be even more pointless and stupid. Just dont allow the dragging of other users in that are not part of it.

AlmightyCushion

I don't see how removing people's ability to start threads would stop situations like this.

witnessmenow

Sully wrote: »

I always thought the dome was an "anything goes" within reason. The reasons were very small. You could have a bitchfest with anyone, or threads that got that way in other forums could be moved there. I thought the stuff that the OP refered to was acceptable (and tbh, its a joke - dont go taking the head of the chap for **** sake) for the Dome and maybe even After Hours. Far worse has been said and done in the Dome.

The reason why the argument "If you dont like it, dont read it" applies is because I think that for most people who visit it or know about it - they think the whole idea of the Dome is that you get to do whatever you like. Something your not allowed do anywhere else on the site. Hence, if you are easily offended - avoid it. Its mostly all humour anyway.

Im wouldn't consider myslef easily offended, but there is certain lines you dont cross. Would the poster of the "joke" say that to someone with cancer in real life.. I'd hope not . As someone who has had a relative die recently from cancer I really fail to see the funny side in making fun of something so serious that effects so many people.

Edit: what i mean about the real life thing is you'd call somebody a bollox (or whatever) in real life if you were having a row with them, but I'd hope you wouldn't say anything like that

Wibbs

Meh it's the thunderdome. A lot of it is funny I must say. I particularly like degsy's posts tbh. That said I think piste has majorly crossed a line with that comment about Cathymoran. Idiotic, nasty and immature and a bad reflection on him/her or maybe an accurate reflection on him/her. Twatism of the highest order. There are lines you don't cross and that's one of them.

stevenmu

Are people just "offended" because the C word was mentioned?

I agree there needs to be some kind of line in the thunderdome, but in this particular case has anyone thought of asking Cathymoran what she thinks of it? I know everyone's different but if I was in that position I think I'd find it very amusing. I generally enjoy having a laugh at having my foibles pointed out to me (especially the ones I don't already know about).

I know that not everyone does, and that some people do but find some things too personal and serious, and I certainly wouldn't blame Cathymoran for finding this too serious and personal to be made a joke of, but if that's the case I'm sure she's more than capable of managing to be offended by it herself. I doubt she needs other people to be "offended" just in case she's offended by it.

Bob the Builder

Has some one informed cathymoran of the existence of this thread?

I completely agree with the Thunderdome, but I don't agree with bringing other users into the equation that have not quite entered the thunderdome yet.

I think we should get the opinion of the person in question before we go making rash decisions. Either way, the Thunderdome faces repeat opposition at least once a month, and I think it's well past time that it's position on this board was reviewed.

castie

PullMyFinger! wrote: »

Im advertising that Piste is a gobsh#te.

Pot calling the Kettle black

SimpleSam06

Thats more or less lolocaustic humour, which is alright in its own place and time, but it really shouldn't spill over onto those who don't want to be involved in it (like the toddler rape jokes in a recent AH thread by some character calling himself turd ferguson, who got belted around for it but the posts were deleted).

Poor form on the part of Piste.

Sully

witnessmenow wrote: »

Im wouldn't consider myslef easily offended, but there is certain lines you dont cross. Would the poster of the "joke" say that to someone with cancer in real life.. I'd hope not . As someone who has had a relative die recently from cancer I really fail to see the funny side in making fun of something so serious that effects so many people.

Edit: what i mean about the real life thing is you'd call somebody a bollox (or whatever) in real life if you were having a row with them, but I'd hope you wouldn't say anything like that

Its a joke. Seriously, get over it. No harm was mentioned. We cant go pussy footing around someone because they have/had cancer. Its a joke. All in good humour. Its not meant to be insulting. Im sure Piste meant no harm in it at all, and a lot of people want his head on a plate!

Slidey

Sully wrote: »

Its a joke. Seriously, get over it. No harm was mentioned. We cant go pussy footing around someone because they have/had cancer. Its a joke. All in good humour. Its not meant to be insulting. Im sure Piste meant no harm in it at all, and a lot of people want his head on a plate!

Piste is a he????

Not in very good taste but alot worse has been said and gone unnoticed.

Mr Magnolia

Sully wrote: »

Its a joke. Seriously, get over it. No harm was mentioned. We cant go pussy footing around someone because they have/had cancer. Its a joke. All in good humour. Its not meant to be insulting. Im sure Piste meant no harm in it at all, and a lot of people want his head on a plate!

I find this post offensive. Humour is all about context. I haven't seen humour or anything like it in the dome in a long while. "No harm was mentioned" - I'm not sure you read the content of several posts in there based on this.

As for "pussy footing around someone who has cancer" - cop on. How about minding your own business [posters in general, not directing this at you particularly]? Cathy or Shane don't post in the dome if they did they'd be fair game. What posters discuss outside the dome shouldn't have to be curbed for fear of mockery, it's distasteful. It's akin to taking posts out of PI and having a laugh about them in Humour.

Sully

slideways wrote: »

Piste is a he????

He/She - no idea tbh.

Mr Magnolia wrote: »

I find this post offensive. Humour is all about context. I haven't seen humour or anything like it in the dome in a long while. "No harm was mentioned" - I'm not sure you read the content of several posts in there based on this.

As for "pussy footing around someone who has cancer" - cop on. How about minding your own business [posters in general, not directing this at you particulary]? Cathy or Shane don't post in the dome if they did they'd be fair game. What posters discuss outside the dome shouldn't have to be curbed for fear of mockery, it's distasteful. It's akin to taking posts out of PI and having a laugh about them in Humour.

The thread was about a posters style. It wasn't personal abuse, or an insult. Nor was it an attack on the user. The only reason people are in shock is because it just so happens this poster has/had cancer and the posting style made a joke out of the fact that poster refers to it a lot.

If the said poster commented about having a child a lot, and Piste changed his post to reflect that - nobody would care.

Mr Magnolia

I don't think it should be permitted. Some people are sensitive about what's posted about them, this has come to the forefront and been discussed in-depth in recent weeks. With the amount of debate that's going on about cyber-bullying I don't think that boards should be providing a platform for such activities.

You think it's fine to take posters material from LTI and mock them in the Thunderdome? OK. It's interesting to see where some people draw the line with this.

Sully

Mr Magnolia wrote: »

I don't think it should be permitted. Some people are sensitive about what's posted about them, this has come to the forefront and been discussed in-depth in recent weeks. With the amount of debate that's going on about cyber-bullying I don't think that boards should be providing a platform for such activities.

This is absolutely nowhere near cyber-bullying.

You think it's fine to take posters material from LTI and mock them in the Thunderdome? OK. It's interesting to see where some people draw the line with this.

Oh, so Cathy only posts in LTI? Eh okay then.. Why is Piste in LTI?!

Mr Magnolia

Sully wrote: »

This is absolutely nowhere near cyber-bullying.

How would you describe cyber-bullying?

Boston

If anything that post is just poor taste.

Wibbs

nevf wrote: »

I completely agree with the Thunderdome, but I don't agree with bringing other users into the equation that have not quite entered the thunderdome yet.

That's pretty much it for me. If you want to go into the thunderdome, then cool. I've had a few chuckles perusing it, but there is a line and that crossed it. I don't think it's cyber bullying though. Just in píss poor taste.

Sully wrote:

If the said poster commented about having a child a lot, and Piste changed his post to reflect that - nobody would care.

I have to say that's a silly argument in it's defence.

PullMyFinger!

Sully wrote: »

The only reason people are in shock is because it just so happens this poster has/had cancer and the posting style made a joke out of the fact that poster refers to it a lot.

If the said poster commented about having a child a lot, and Piste changed his post to reflect that - nobody would care.

What in the name of jaysus are you on about?!

PullMyFinger!

castie wrote: »

Pot calling the Kettle black

Reported.

Mint Sauce

could be wrong here, gonna stick my neck out, from the odd time i have stuck my head around the thunderdome door, i gather its just for posters to flame each other, and a major major p!ss take, obviously in jest and not in a vendeta for something that might have been said or following a mod decission on the the general board

of the once or twice i have been there, once following another thread that was locked in afterhours, the OP of the locked post and the mod who locked it, got some serious abuse in there by the poster who got the thread locked, think the mod was a regular dome user, not so sure on the OP, and my self too when i dared to comment, now there was probably no way of proving the posts made were personal as aposed to being in jest, but it was very coincidental that they were made so close to the AH post being locked, when the poster who got the AH thread locked was attacked by a group of mods, again due to the style of posting in there, i was difficult to see if it was in jest, or if it was for real and they really felt he/she was being out of line

cant remember if i reported said posts in there, as i felt my self that they were in relation to the AH thread, and if i had, due to the style of the dome, how could it have been decided if the posts were coincidential or not

just to add, my experience is not in relation to the one that is being discussed here, but in comment to the tittle of the thread

Sully

Wibbs wrote: »

I have to say that's a silly argument in it's defence.

No its not. The only reason why this post is in poor taste is because the poster had/has cancer and the posting style of this poster refers to that (apparently). So, Piste (in a thread about everybodys posting style) made a small harmful joke about it. People are shocked that someone could make a joke out of a poster referring to the fact they had cancer.

Bad taste, maybe. Anything else, no.

Mr Magnolia wrote: »

How would you describe cyber-bullying?

I would NOT say that Piste is bullying Cathy or her husband for god sake. That post is nowhere near bullying ANYBODY.

Wikipedia wrote:

Cyber-bullying involves the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behaviour by an individual or group, that is intended to harm others.

PullMyFinger! wrote: »

What in the name of jaysus are you on about?!

I could ask you the very same question.

PullMyFinger!

Sully wrote: »

This is absolutely nowhere near cyber-bullying.

Wrong. Its 100% cyber-bullying and maybe even a bit more serious than that. If this was the States Piste would be getting sued by Cathy any week now tbh.

Its not slagging, its not a bit of fun, its disgusting it made me ashamed to be associated with/reading Boards for so long.

The Thunderdome needs to go back to threads been moved there only or 2 people who have a gripe with each other willing to slug it out. At the moment its a poorman's Stormfront minus the agenda.

Sully

PullMyFinger! wrote: »

Wrong. Its 100% cyber-bullying and maybe even a bit more serious than that. If this was the States Piste would be getting sued by Cathy any week now tbh.

Its not slagging, its not a bit of fun, its disgusting it made me ashamed to be associated with/reading Boards for so long.

The Thunderdome needs to go back to threads been moved there only or 2 people who have a gripe with each other willing to slug it out. At the moment its a poorman's Stormfront minus the agenda.

Are you for real?! Suing? Bullying?

Honestly.

PullMyFinger!

Sully wrote: »

I could ask you the very same question.

You said this

If the said poster commented about having a child a lot, and Piste changed his post to reflect that - nobody would care.

Its a ridiculous, mind boggling statement and Im not the only person who's said so.

Sully

PullMyFinger! wrote: »

You said this



Its a ridiculous, mind boggling statement and Im not the only person who's said so.

Its true though. Change that to anything else, bar an LTI, and nobody would care.

Mr Magnolia

Sully wrote: »

I would NOT say that Piste is bullying Cathy or her husband for god sake. That post is nowhere near bullying ANYBODY.

Wikipedia wrote:

Cyber-bullying involves the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behaviour by an individual or group, that is intended to harm others.

I was looking for your definition, if I wanted to wiki it I could have had a look. Feel free to give post it here.

Me, I'd class the repeated unwanted harassment of a poster under cyberbullying. This isn't the first time this poster was targeted in the dome.

6th

So Sully you think its ok to slag off people from LTI about the fact they talk about what they are going through? ..... Off you go so.