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Final Fantasy VII: PS3 Remake
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08-08-2008 8:15am#1I have to assume its in the making. If not then they are cruel, cruel bastards for producing this PS3 Demo 2 odd years ago to show off what the PS3 can do:
The Video is from E3 2006 I think.May 3rd, 2008 wrote:Final Fantasy VII Director Yoshinori Kitase recently touched on the possibility of remaking the RPG classic for the PlayStation 3, stating that fans could “expect the probability of something spontaneous happening at some point.”
Kitase commented that if a remake were to transpire, it would have to include all of the core team members from the original 1997 PlayStation classic; something which isn’t possible right now due each individual’s commitments to other projects.
"My feelings are that if a remake were to work well then all the core members of the original team must be reassembled, all the artists and designers,” said Kitase.
“The problem is that, although all of us have an idea of what a remake should be and how to do it, organising such a thing right now is logistically very difficult. All the different members are now involved in very new, very large projects like Final Fantasy XIII and those projects are going to take a while.”
Despite this, he refused to completely rule out the chances of a remake on PS3, adding, “Maybe, when all those games are finished then we can look at doing something like that.”
”Of course, that said we came up with the idea for Crisis Core in just two days. It was a case of 'this is what we want to do, so let's do it'. So, you can definitely expect the probability of something spontaneous happening at some point, but it's hard to predict."
Stay tuned for further developments as they break.
I hope he's just pulling my chain and that they are going to make us all wet are pants by springing up a FF7 re-release from out of nowhere.0
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TBH, I think that Square saying that what they showed was running in real time on the PS3 hardware is absolute bull. I was just a HD prerendered cutscene. Nothing on the PS3 has come anywhere near the level of those visuals and strangely enough it was used as a cutscene at the end of Crisis Core and it looked like the exact same level of prerendering as in all of that games cutsecenes.
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Its just the equivalent of a PS3 cutscene isn't it? In which case I think it is entirely feasible.
It's that fact that Sony are advertising it as being rendered in real time by the PS3 hardware which I severely doubt it is. In fact I'll so far as to say it's not being rendered in real time.
I also doubt it will get remade for the PS3. I don't think there would be a market. To completely re do the whole game up to the polished standards we would expect from a next gen game is going to cost a lot of money and the game is only going to apeal to a small portion of the market. The game will also get cut to pieces by the press. FFVII has aged quite a bit now with a storyline that dies on it's arse halfway through and some really bad and simplistic battle and magic mechanics. It's certainly not a bad game it's just that with the rose tinted glasses off, JRPGs have come a long way since and far superior games to FFVII have come out and even came out before FFVII.
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Anyways, you preferred 6. I can't see why, found it tedious, number of random encounters etc. You must wonder if you would feel the same had you played 7 first.
I did play FFVII first. I'd take Chrono Trigger over FFVII any day as well.
Honestly though after leaveing midgar the story really isn't up to much, it's really just an average anime storyline. Compare that to FFX which deals with themes of racism, religion and handles friendship a whole lot better. There are plenty of games out there that are far more mature with their dealing with issues or creating the abstract ending that FFVII went for. Games like Panzer Dragoon Saga, Ico and shadow of the colossus put that ending to shame. The ending of disc 1 was quite emotional but it was done before and handled a lot better in earlier games, to name check one of them Phantasy Star 2. Compare it to the ending of suikoden 2, a very mature handling of three youths who have their lives torn apart by war.
the battle system is also pants compared to even the games that came before it. FFIV, FFV and FFVI are much better. Chrono Trigger, Grandia and FFX also severely outclass it.
FFVII for me is a great game but it really is being viewed through rose tinted glasses an awful lot. It was groundbreaking when it came out but it's very obvious that it was a rush job and quite flawed.
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Well I only played Chrono Trigger quite recently, it was so good that i even forgave it when it burnt out the laser on my second PS2.
Honestly when I played FFVII for the first time I thought it was the best game ever. However I went back to play it about 3 years ago and well it really hasn't lived up to my memories of it although I still thoroughly enjoyed the experience. It's not the greatest game ever made, far from it.
Back on topic, I think the reasons I mentioned and the fact that it's just a nostalgia piece tarted up will mean that the market wouldn't be large enough to cover the costs of a remake of what still is a massive and highly ambitious game. Average reviews that i'm predicting it will get won't help expand the audience beyond some curious newcomers to the series.
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I seem to recall that Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes didn't do all that well at retail. I also felt they totally ruined that game with some really dreadful and silly OTT cutscene direction.
I'm guessing you overlevelled in FFX, keane2097. I don't level at all in FF games and found the battle system in FFX to be an absolute masterpiece. It was really very challenging and you really had to use the right characters for the right situation. Boss battles were even more strategic. I found the last boss to be a complete bitch (not the final fight which you couldn't lose).
I myself didn't think all that much of the materia system. I thought it was very simplistic. Any character could equip any materia which meant that characters quickly lost their personality. There was also no strategy in the fights you could breeze through the game with the only difficulty spike being the final boss unless you wanted to bore yourself levelling for the weapons.
I also found FFX to be the strongest storywise. Characters were brilliant other than Tidus who was way too whiny. Thought the way the story was told was very impressive and it never felt rushed or silly like some of the FF games. Then of course there was that ending, birlliant.
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Retr0gamer wrote: »I myself didn't think all that much of the materia system. I thought it was very simplistic. Any character could equip any materia which meant that characters quickly lost their personality. There was also no strategy in the fights you could breeze through the game with the only difficulty spike being the final boss unless you wanted to bore yourself levelling for the weapons.
I'm not sure which FF7 you played but the one I've played / currently playing involves tactical decisions on a regular basis. There are several differenet elementals in the game, most enemies have advantages / disadvantages against each one. You can't just 'equip any character' with materia and kick ass. I would agree that if you spent say 3-4 hours leveling up on the first mission that the next battles you encounter would be easier, this is true for most RPG's though.
Personalities of each character remained unique regardless of what materia they could equip. Heh, there's the element you missed out on - each character in the game has different strengths and weaknesses. Off the top of my head with two very small examples:
Aeris is good with magic whilst being crap with physical attacks. Barrett on the other hand is better with physical attacks but can also be moved into the back row due to his 'long range' capabilities. Cloud is mostly a good all rounder.
Did you play this game straight out with a book / guide? The difficulty is halved if so. The first time I didn't use a book, I cleared the game without using any guides and it took me months to get through it. (I rented the damned thing for 4 weeks in 97 or 98, ended up paying £30 for the four weeks, decided to buy it AFTER that
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Personally, I think you've a lovehate thing going on with this game. Most of your points are lacking depth but also feature comparisons to newer more advanced RPG's.
The game is afterall, nearly 11 years old.
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I'm not sure which FF7 you played but the one I've played / currently playing involves tactical decisions on a regular basis. There are several differenet elementals in the game, most enemies have advantages / disadvantages against each one. You can't just 'equip any character' with materia and kick ass. I would agree that if you spent say 3-4 hours leveling up on the first mission that the next battles you encounter would be easier, this is true for most RPG's though.
Well the old elemental weakness idea is pretty much expected in any RPG it's not exactly unique. compare that to the strategy involved in beating some of the bosses in FFX or Grandia and it's completely different. I did just equip any old materia to my characters and breezed through the game with no problems. There was a little thought put into it but really I just spread it out so everyone sould cast magic and cure. I also didn't spend any time levelling up. However this isn't a bad thing since the game was never frustrating.Personalities of each character remained unique regardless of what materia they could equip. Heh, there's the element you missed out on - each character in the game has different strengths and weaknesses. Off the top of my head with two very small examples:
Aeris is good with magic whilst being crap with physical attacks. Barrett on the other hand is better with physical attacks but can also be moved into the back row due to his 'long range' capabilities. Cloud is mostly a good all rounder.
I know all the characters have different strengths and weaknesses but it's hardly pronounced. Put Aeris in the front row and if she is the same level as everyone else she does practically the same physical damage. Barret is still extremely nifty with magic. Compare that to other games in the genre. FF6 had characters that each had a unique ability to set them apart, same goes for practically all the FF games. If it wasn't for story and character design doing a good job of fleshing out each character they would have all become clones of each other.Did you play this game straight out with a book / guide? The difficulty is halved if so. The first time I didn't use a book, I cleared the game without using any guides and it took me months to get through it. (I rented the damned thing for 4 weeks in 97 or 98, ended up paying £30 for the four weeks, decided to buy it AFTER that )
I didn't use a guide either, whats the point? On the second time through the game I used one to get all the sidequests thats it. It didn't take me months to play through but then i did become obsessed with it and it took over my life I got a lend of it off a friend but he wouldn;t give me the third disc because he was stuck on the last boss. Got so annoyed waiting on him to finish it I went out and bought it wmyself. Most of your points are lacking depth but also feature comparisons to newer more advanced RPG's.
The game is afterall, nearly 11 years old.
I wouldn't say my points lack depth, I'm trying my best here
Anyway you have just summed up what I've been trying to say in two lines. FFVII is 11 years old and the years in some ways haven't been kind. Newer JRPG's have come and totally surpassed FFVII in terms of storyline and gameplay. The graphics are no longer flashy and I've gone hack and played older JRPGs and have realised that the have been much better that have gone before it. It is however still a very playable and engrossing experience.
I think that Square Enix know that putting a multimillion dollar budget on a remake of an aged classic that will only appeal to the diehard fans of that game just doesn't make financial sense.
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Retr0gamer wrote: »Well the old elemental weakness idea is pretty much expected in any RPG it's not exactly unique. compare that to the strategy involved in beating some of the bosses in FFX or Grandia and it's completely different. I did just equip any old materia to my characters and breezed through the game with no problems. There was a little thought put into it but really I just spread it out so everyone sould cast magic and cure. I also didn't spend any time levelling up. However this isn't a bad thing since the game was never frustrating.
I know all the characters have different strengths and weaknesses but it's hardly pronounced. Put Aeris in the front row and if she is the same level as everyone else she does practically the same physical damage. Barret is still extremely nifty with magic. Compare that to other games in the genre. FF6 had characters that each had a unique ability to set them apart, same goes for practically all the FF games. If it wasn't for story and character design doing a good job of fleshing out each character they would have all become clones of each other.
I didn't use a guide either, whats the point? On the second time through the game I used one to get all the sidequests thats it. It didn't take me months to play through but then i did become obsessed with it and it took over my life I got a lend of it off a friend but he wouldn;t give me the third disc because he was stuck on the last boss. Got so annoyed waiting on him to finish it I went out and bought it wmyself.
I wouldn't say my points lack depth, I'm trying my best here
Anyway you have just summed up what I've been trying to say in two lines. FFVII is 11 years old and the years in some ways haven't been kind. Newer JRPG's have come and totally surpassed FFVII in terms of storyline and gameplay. The graphics are no longer flashy and I've gone hack and played older JRPGs and have realised that the have been much better that have gone before it. It is however still a very playable and engrossing experience.
I think that Square Enix know that putting a multimillion dollar budget on a remake of an aged classic that will only appeal to the diehard fans of that game just doesn't make financial sense.
I think that issue here is what would Square be planning?
Would it be the exact same game with shiney new graphics only?
Or would it be the same game/storyline with modernised fighting system etc.
I still think that the materia system was the best system, especially if it would have been linked to actual affinity based abilities.
I just loved being able to link elements to weapons, link materia spheres together to get extra abilities from them etc. It was just the most user friendly system0 -
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:pac:infact,all FF has its balanced system,is what makes FF so good.I'm not sure which FF7 you played but the one I've played / currently playing involves tactical decisions on a regular basis. There are several differenet elementals in the game, most enemies have advantages / disadvantages against each one. You can't just 'equip any character' with materia and kick ass. I would agree that if you spent say 3-4 hours leveling up on the first mission that the next battles you encounter would be easier, this is true for most RPG's though.
Personalities of each character remained unique regardless of what materia they could equip. Heh, there's the element you missed out on - each character in the game has different strengths and weaknesses. Off the top of my head with two very small examples:
Aeris is good with magic whilst being crap with physical attacks. Barrett on the other hand is better with physical attacks but can also be moved into the back row due to his 'long range' capabilities. Cloud is mostly a good all rounder.
Did you play this game straight out with a book / guide? The difficulty is halved if so. The first time I didn't use a book, I cleared the game without using any guides and it took me months to get through it. (I rented the damned thing for 4 weeks in 97 or 98, ended up paying £30 for the four weeks, decided to buy it AFTER that )
Personally, I think you've a lovehate thing going on with this game. Most of your points are lacking depth but also feature comparisons to newer more advanced RPG's.
The game is afterall, nearly 11 years old.
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if ya are a newbie you can beat the game from start to end,probably with some brain whacking/spending ages;if ya are an RPG expert,you will beat it in different/quickest way but still with some reasonable difficult boss/battle etc.
every setting in FF is well tested and balanced according to each other uniqueness:7 materia system (master materia sell good price,support materia etc),10 damage break etc ,but as you can see,when i level up any of these characters above 70 level,there is really not much difference in them:rolleyes:there is no perfect system in video game.materia system is simply the most striaght forward system in RPG history,but it makes the characters no different from each other (that is where the limit break kicks in),and is the starting (except 9)of Square gets lazy on the distibution of character skills(system in 12 was the biggest sht i ever seen)
element design in the game?same element helping same ,lighting against water helping,fire against plant/animal etc you name it.0 -
gau has this learning ability called Blue magic/enemy skill materia skill in the early or later games,how can you not enjoy it?his story?check out wiki for proof,the poor orphan under some family issue :pac:Jesus do you speak English or Smiley?
I liked that you did have one or two ocassions during the main stroyline where you had to use all the characters. But when making the team there were plenty of irrelevant characters.
Gau for me-hates his rages. Far too much effort even if he can be an early game god. Too unpredictable as well.
Cyan-cos he's sh1te
Setzer-unless you need his ID attacks
Omaro
The mimic dude
Locke too an extent-Tho I plain liked the guy so he always made it in.
I can't understand your point about skills? I think there were more than enough. But as I said many were pointless. Stealing is probly the biggest chore ever in a ff game.
I would argue it had loads of mini character plots alright, but none were done to my personal satisfaction. All felt rushed. Gau's scene with you know who was pretty much his story.
Don't get me wrong. I have never played a FF game I wouldn't give at least 90% too. They are all great, just to varying degrees.
I'll finish with this "Im Gau............Im your friend...................................lets travel together'. Could have smahed the playstation at times.
cyan is the sword master...very good damage in early stage of the game i mean his poor family poisoned by Kefka ,the scene of him farewell with his family on the train in phantom forest is one of the best plot i have seen
setzer the poker master ya dont like him?the very extreme character who completely depends on luck lol tifa's limit break slot attack?
ah well,time length of getting to know all the story is at least twice of any existed FF,if ya not the type who enjoys these stories,fair play to ya :pff6 is an epic RPG that you need to spend alot of time to fully understand it - like a classic opera.the story gau is a good example,the character didnt appeal me at first ,until,bits by bits,along the course you play ,his secrets will be reveal by Square.awesome.same in all characters in FF6.it is not instant noodle,it is a 100 years old wine.that's why they travel with you,their stories are not finished,yet.
my points simply indicated if ya like FF7,FF6 pretty much covered 90% of the elements you see in FF7,why wouldnt you like it?:sthat's why i say 2D makes you hated it.
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I think FF7 could/would have more appeal than a newer Final Fantasy game,
As its highly regarded as the best in the series, it would appeal to most of us Fans here, who would nodoubt buy it to play it through with next gen graphics :eek:
Though i could recite the story, id happily play through it in next gen visuals straight away .
It would also attract a new customer base, as i was only 12 when i first played it...11 years on....there is a new generation of gamer who havent played, let alone heard of the game due to the fact it came out on PS1 :eek:
Then take into account...cross platform, it could possibly be made for more than 1 console, as FF7 came out on PC (load of crap though with errors tbh)
I'd like to see it remade, i dont think it would ruin my nostalgia or love for the game, i think it would only heighten my love for it
Would be great if they could get the voice actors from Advent Children for it too :P0 -
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FF6's story was NOWHERE near as complex as Seven's? What are you on? 7 is widely renowned for going the extar mile in terms of story. The dialouge is 6 was far more childish.
the Dialogue in FF7 was far worse than in FF6. At least the Ted Woolsey translation of FF6 made sense unlike the badly translated rubbish from FF7.
'Do you wish to continue?'
'No'
'Off course!'
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Good post re: FFX, Retr0.Retr0gamer wrote: »I'm guessing you overlevelled in FFX, keane2097. I don't level at all in FF games and found the battle system in FFX to be an absolute masterpiece. It was really very challenging and you really had to use the right characters for the right situation. Boss battles were even more strategic. I found the last boss to be a complete bitch (not the final fight which you couldn't lose).
I myself didn't think all that much of the materia system. I thought it was very simplistic. Any character could equip any materia which meant that characters quickly lost their personality. There was also no strategy in the fights you could breeze through the game with the only difficulty spike being the final boss unless you wanted to bore yourself levelling for the weapons.
I also found FFX to be the strongest storywise. Characters were brilliant other than Tidus who was way too whiny. Thought the way the story was told was very impressive and it never felt rushed or silly like some of the FF games. Then of course there was that ending, birlliant.
Fcuk it, im gonna play it again (- twill be the 4th or 5th time). I think X has the perfect balance of story themes, characters, soundtrack & enjoyable battle system of all the games. 0 -
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