The dreaded National ID card is on the way. Say no more.

Run_to_da_hills

Only last week we are told that a proposed electronic card will be required to travel between the UK and Ireland. To night we are told of this new "wonderful" Government ID card for civil servants. No doubt this chipped photo card will issued to those on the dole so that they can collect their payments at the local post office.

It will also be issued to pensioners ones getting free travel and free medical. It may also be required as a photo ID card to those that don’t have an Irish Drivers licenses, and may compulsory to be used along with tickets to enter football matches to "prevent touting" and keep an eye on "hooligans"

According to the press "The new single card will replace a whole range of cards which are used to access Government services". In other words this is the dreaded RFID based National ID card creeping into Ireland.

http://www.herald.ie/national-news/new-state-id-cards-on-way-1446912.html

Guy:Incognito

Jesus you should have your own forum for this stuff by now. :rolleyes:


At least then I could avoid all of it at once.

OPENROAD

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

and may compulsory to be used along with tickets to enter football matches to "prevent touting" and keep an eye on "hooligans"


http://www.herald.ie/national-news/new-state-id-cards-on-way-1446912.html

Where does it state the above.

OPENROAD

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Only last week we are told that a proposed electronic card will be required to travel between the UK and Ireland. .

http://www.herald.ie/national-news/new-state-id-cards-on-way-1446912.html

For as long as I can remember you have had to show official photo id returning to Ireland by air.

Flamed Diving

OPENROAD wrote: »

Where does it state the above.

In his head.

Captain Darling

I, for one welcome our new National ID Card (Overlords).............

Run_to_da_hills

OPENROAD wrote: »

Where does it state the above.

It dosen't state that in the above and I never said it did. :rolleyes:

Guy:Incognito

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It dosen't state that in the above and I never said it did. :rolleyes:

Nope, you just made up a tabloidy headline to make nothign look like something. Do you actually own the Herald by any chance?

OPENROAD

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It dosen't state that in the above and I never said it did. :rolleyes:

So whats your source :rolleyes:

TheNog

I think it is a great idea. Civil liberites are always trying to scare-monger instead of actually being constructive and loping in their support but still trying to protect mis-use of these cards.

Töpher

No more.

Run_to_da_hills

OPENROAD wrote: »

So whats your source :rolleyes:

"However, civil liberties groups fear the photo ID and information on the cards could lead to a national ID card". Evening Herald.

OPENROAD

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

"However, civil liberties groups fear the photo ID and information on the cards could lead to a national ID card". Evening Herald.

Where does it state that it may compulsory to be used along with tickets to enter football matches to "prevent touting" and keep an eye on "hooligans

Karoma

Where does it say "The dreaded National ID card is on the way"? A few people raised a concern that it could go down that path (As they always do / should), but you stated it as a fact ("In other words this is the dreaded RFID based National ID card creeping into Ireland.").

Guy:Incognito

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

"However, civil liberties groups fear the photo ID and information on the cards could lead to a national ID card". Evening Herald.

So because a group of people said somethign could happen, then it will?

Civil liberties group are a bunch of scareemongering whingebags at the best of times.

What swrong with ID cards anyway?Most of us have passports and Drivers licences that people whinge about being too bog to carry around.
None of my German friends or family have any issue with haveing an id card. But then again they seem capable of rational thinkiing.

javaboy

You mean I voted no to Lisbon and they're still going to put microchips under our skin. The No campaign lied to me.

/I feel used

Guy:Incognito

javaboy wrote: »

You mean I voted no to Lisbon and they're still going to put microchips under our skin. The No campaign lied to me.

/I feel used

Nope, not under your skin. If you stare at the Libertas posters long enough an image of an RFID buttplug appears.

ImDave

Who cares if a National ID card system is on the way?

dsmythy

It seems it's not as imminent as thought. Personally i think when they do come about it'll be great. Nothing to hide nothing to fear.

uberwolf

what's wrong with a National ID card?

Run_to_da_hills

Karoma wrote: »

Where does it say "The dreaded National ID card is on the way"? A few people raised a concern that it could go down that path (As they always do / should), but you stated it as a fact ("In other words this is the dreaded RFID based National ID card creeping into Ireland.").

It is a fact no doubt about it. This is the card that will eventually let us pass between the UK and Ireland, access our dole payments and give certain people access into government buildings.


RFID is programmable and this "chameleon card" can change into any ID card that the Government wants it to once it is issued. Once it has a photo and microchip the door is open for all sorts of uses including the future driving license.

Karoma

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It is a fact no doubt about it. This is the card that will eventually let us pass between the UK and Ireland, access our dole payments and give certain people access into government buildings.


RFID is programmable and this "chameleon card" can change into any ID card that the Government wants it to once it is issued. Once it has a photo and microchip the door is open for all sorts of uses including the future driving license.

Your opinion is not fact. FACT.

chopperbyrne

uberwolf wrote: »

What's wrong with a National ID card?

+1

Guy:Incognito

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It is a fact no doubt about it. This is the card that will eventually let us pass between the UK and Ireland, access our dole payments and give certain people access into government buildings.
.

If your not on the dole or entitled to access government buildings you wont need one then. Your passport will let you travel.

Anyway. As I already said. I have no issue with a national ID card. It'll make life easier.

Guy:Incognito

Karoma wrote: »

Your opinion is not fact. FACT.

Mine is. FACT.

Piste

So this one card will replace lots of other cards?


So instead of carrying around many cards you just carry this ONE card...


And this is bad how?

Jimbo

I really can't see the problem with this. If you have nothing to hide, what's the issue?

Ace2007

who gives 2 ****

Gran Hermano

uberwolf wrote: »

what's wrong with a National ID card?

The Roma community will not have one

Naos

Replace many cards with one card: Check
Prevent people abusing the dole: Check
Access to Govt buildings if permitted: Check
Prevent underagers entering Pub/Club: Check
Don't need passport to travel to England: Check

...

Sorry what's the problem here OP?

Flamed Diving

Naos wrote: »

Replace many cards with one card: Check
Prevent people abusing the dole: Check
Access to Govt buildings if permitted: Check
Prevent underagers entering Pub/Club: Check
Don't need passport to travel to England: Check

...

Sorry what's the problem here OP?

The lizards.









The Lizards!!!!!!

marcsignal

Naos wrote: »

Sorry what's the problem here OP?

was thinking the same thing ? long overdue imo

Gran Hermano wrote: »

The Roma community will not have one

that's true, any that don't escape in the first few weeks will be getting a tattoo

Sir Gallagher

I wouldn't be too happy with a national ID card, it all depends on who'd have access to all my information.

marcsignal

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

I wouldn't be too happy with a national ID card, it all depends on who'd have access to all my information.

a lot of people are concerned about that, but they have it anyway, if you use a club card for a supermarket, credit card, driving licence, passport, social welfare card, medical card, mobile phone, or own a dog, or a TV......

I had to carry one in Germany, it's not so bad when you know everyone else has to carry one, and pay a 50Euro fine if you are found without it.

Run_to_da_hills

uberwolf wrote: »

what's wrong with a National ID card?

Its the radio technology that will be used in this type of ID card that is worrying, i.e. it can be read from inside your pocket or hand bag without you knowing. It can be scanned while you enter a building without your knowledge, It can be hacked into without your knowledge and information retrieved, Apart from this I would have no probs carrying a conventional ID card.

Flamed Diving

I don't like the idea of the card being mandatory by law, if it was to be that way.

Sir Gallagher

marcsignal wrote: »

a lot of people are concerned about that, but they have it anyway, if you use a club card for a supermarket, credit card, driving licence, passport, social welfare card, medical card, mobile phone, or own a dog, or a TV......

I had to carry one in Germany, it's not so bad when you know everyone else has to carry one, and pay a 50Euro fine if you are found without it.

A 50 euro fine! F.uck that George Orwell sh1t, i'll hang onto my tesco's club card thank you very much!

I'm fully aware there's mountains of information out there on me already but i just don't like the idea of it all being in the one database and who'll end up having access to that information.

Tha Gopher

Agent Mulder wrote:

Its the technology that will be used in this type of ID card that is worrying, ie it can be read from inside your pocket or hand bag without you knowing. It can be scanned while you enter a building without your knowledge, It can be hacked into without your knowledge

By who?

And why?

If you keep it in a protective cover I find this unlikely. Fcuk, we all have enough trouble with those ATMs than ask you to swipe the card in for 3 seconds then remove. They only work half the time, so a guy across the street with a laser gun would be doing well to get a hit.


Great idea tbh. Only people I feel sorry for are the underage drinkers.

Run_to_da_hills

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

A 50 euro fine! F.uck that George Orwell sh1t, i'll hang onto my tesco's club card thank you very much!

I'm fully aware there's mountains of information out there on me already but i just don't like the idea of it all being in the one database and who'll end up having access to that information.

I was hauled in at Sants station Barcelona and quizzed for several hours by private detectives because I left my passport ID behind in the apt three years ago. I was treated like a suspect terrorist, This is what we could be up against if/when carrying this card becomes mandatory.

marcsignal

about a year ago a guy I know got grief in town from this drunk scumbag in a queue at an ATM. Words were exchanged, scumbag uses ATM, more words exchanged, scumbags whore gets involved, scumbag throws punch, scuffle ensues, Garda arrive, scumbag and whore questioned, scumbag and scumbags whore asked for their details, scumbag and scumbags whore give false names, scumbag and scumbags whore never charged....

bring on the ID card

Sir Gallagher

marcsignal wrote: »

about a year ago a guy I know got grief in town from this drunk scumbag in a queue at an ATM. Words were exchanged, scumbag uses ATM, more words exchanged, scumbags whore gets involved, scumbag throws punch, scuffle ensues, Garda arrive, scumbag and whore questioned, scumbag and scumbags whore asked for their details, scumbag and scumbags whore give false names, scumbag and scumbags whore never charged....

bring on the ID card

Or else a better police force.

RobertFoster

Stekelly wrote: »

Jesus you should have your own forum for this stuff by now. :rolleyes:


At least then I could avoid all of it at once.

How about... this forum.



Shhh! You didn't hear it from me!

DenMan

Actually it is about time it is coming in. I for one am tired having to carry my passport with me nearly all the time and will be availing of the new National ID card. Bring it in I say.

Dyr

You'll only have a problem with a national ID card if you have something to hide. As someone pointed out the germans carry ID cards and god knows its not like the krauts to stand idly by while their civil liberties are eroded by the state. :pac:

Sir Gallagher

Its not about wanting to hide anything its about feeling secure about having a certain amount of privacy. It all boils down to what such a card would cover. I would just be concerned about who'd have access to this info.

Jimbo

marcsignal wrote: »

about a year ago a guy I know got grief in town from this drunk scumbag in a queue at an ATM. Words were exchanged, scumbag uses ATM, more words exchanged, scumbags whore gets involved, scumbag throws punch, scuffle ensues, Garda arrive, scumbag and whore questioned, scumbag and scumbags whore asked for their details, scumbag and scumbags whore give false names, scumbag and scumbags whore never charged....

bring on the ID card

You wouldn't have to carry it with you all the time, would you?

Gran Hermano

jimbo78 wrote: »

You wouldn't have to carry it with you all the time, would you?

What's the big deal with carrying it with you? Motorists have to carry
their drivers license when driving or face penalty points.

Flamed Diving

Gran Hermano wrote: »

What's the big deal with carrying it with you? Motorists have to carry
their drivers license when driving or face penalty points.

But you can choose not to drive.

Is having the freedom to choose not important?

Sir Gallagher

Mr.S wrote: »

the public wont have access to it, so whats the problem?

My problem would be that i'd be worried what possible implications it would have in the future, what kind of information would be involved and who would have access. I just don't like the idea of it turning into a situation where my whole life is becoming documented in one big government database. Too much like big brother for my liking, kind of creeps me out.

Run_to_da_hills

Gran Hermano wrote: »

What's the big deal with carrying it with you? Motorists have to carry
their drivers license when driving or face penalty points.

This breed of a card will track all your movements electronically. I.E You use it at the tax office or any government building, crossing borders, driving a car, cashing a cheque, travelling on a bus, when ever stopped by the cops, purchasing alcohol or entering a pub etc. an electronic print out could be made of all the times it has been scanned

The current license used by Irish motorists is just a bit of paper with a photo and dose not have any multi purpose tracking ability. If you produce the current license more than likely the authorities will just look at it and hand it back.

5starpool

if it replaces that stupid driving licence that we have now then I am certainly in favour of it.