Lexus ISF

Volvoboy

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Theres your 5.0, Barvarian beater!!

qz

It's been there for a while too

ninty9er

Should we relocate our meeting to Ballybrit and queue up to drive it:D:D

Max_Damage

Saw one of them recently in Walkinstown. Don't really like the look of them, also, I wouldn't be keen on spending over €100k on what is really a fancy Toyota.

markos79

i love lexus cars and the isf is a crackin piece of kit but id still buy a bmw m3 if i had a choice its just in a different league.

max damage i hate it when people say a lexus is an overpriced toyota thats like saying an audi is an overpriced seat ffs.

ninty9er

markos79 wrote: »

i love lexus cars and the isf is a crackin piece of kit but id still buy a bmw m3 if i had a choice its just in a different league.

max damage i hate it when people say a lexus is an overpriced toyota thats like saying an audi is an overpriced seat ffs.

And I suppose an RS6 is just a fancy Skôda Superb;)

ronnie3585

There is another grey ISF knocking around Galway, it passed me at at least 100mph on a dual carriage way a couple of weeks ago. Savage piece of kit, love the wheels, hate the stacked exhausts though.

alpina

Let it suffer 4 yrs. of depreciation :eek:& then will be a cracking deal as will hold value nowhere near an M3

Zonda999

It dont have the pedigree of an RS4 or M3 either IMO.Or even an C 63AMG tbh

ninty9er

alpina wrote: »

Let it suffer 4 yrs. of depreciation :eek:& then will be a cracking deal as will hold value nowhere near an M3

Great isn't it. You could ahve a 4 year old IS-F for €80k or a 4 year old M3 for €50k.

With the produciton limits on these things compared to Beemers, there's not a hope an M3 could hold up the same value.

ninty9er

Zonda999 wrote: »

It dont have the pedigree of an RS4 or M3 either IMO.Or even an C 63AMG tbh

Even kids from the wealthiest, most respected families can be drug dealing scumbags.

I don't believe in pedigree unless you want to talk about a dog.

bazzachazza

Having seen the ISf at the British motor show i was left feeling very underwhelmed i would also go as far as saying i would feel very short changed if i bought one as the styling shows only very few differences between it and the standard car especially in the cabin. The only marked difference i could see was the metal pedals and maybe a few model markings just to remind you what your driving.

ninty9er

bazzachazza wrote: »

Having seen the ISf at the British motor show i was left feeling very underwhelmed i would also go as far as saying i would feel very short changed if i bought one as the styling shows only very few differences between it and the standard car especially in the cabin. The only marked difference i could see was the metal pedals and maybe a few model markings just to remind you what your driving.

I saw a Glanza with a Lexus badge on it yesterday, It doesn't mean there's a 5l V8 under the bonnet and that's what's important with this car.

VH

ninty9er wrote: »

I don't believe in pedigree unless you want to talk about a dog.

rofl!

true, very true

By zonda999s argument cars like zondas dont have pedigree either

bazzachazza

Indeed i agree but if i was driving something that was more than Double the standard car i would also like it to look the part not just feel i have paid a HUGE premium for an engine and other bits i hope never to see unless i roll it.

bazzachazza

It's a matter of opinion i guess maybe the market there in doesn't want anything in your face

Andrewf20

Worst exhaust layout ever.

Zonda999

ninty9er wrote: »

Even kids from the wealthiest, most respected families can be drug dealing scumbags.

I don't believe in pedigree unless you want to talk about a dog.

Look at it in terms of heritage anyway.The idea behind the original lexus ls400 back in 1989 was a big comfy car that had a soft ride and excellent refinement.Handling was intended to be useless for the benfit of ride comfort.The idea behind the isf is the opposite of this.It should have great handling and be very LOUD.I'm just not sure your average M3 or RS4 buyer would be interested in a jumped up toyota lexus

VH

Zonda999 wrote: »

I'm just not sure your average M3 or RS4 buyer would be interested in a jumped up toyota lexus

someone truly into cars wouldnt car much about the badge tbh

the car itself is the most important thing

ninty9er

Zonda999 wrote: »

Look at it in terms of heritage anyway.The idea behind the original lexus ls400 back in 1989 was a big comfy car that had a soft ride and excellent refinement.Handling was intended to be useless for the benfit of ride comfort.The idea behind the isf is the opposite of this.It should have great handling and be very LOUD.I'm just not sure your average M3 or RS4 buyer would be interested in a jumped up toyota lexus

Isn't the former just buying a jumped up MINI and the latter a puffed up Golf?

Zonda999

VH wrote: »

By zonda999s argument cars like zondas dont have pedigree either

In fairness, the zonda has an AMG engine which gives it some pedigree anyway:D.I dont think anyone would doubt its pedigree tbh, whereas the idea behind lexus was not performance motoring.I really should change my username.My dream car has now changed to a Gumpert Apollo, the 800bhp version, please;)

Zonda999

ninty9er wrote: »

Isn't the former just buying a jumped up MINI and the latter a puffed up Golf?

Hold on.A mini is a front wheel drive car aimed at the fashionasti.An M3 is the performance version of a standard car that already has sporting intentions, even in 318i form, it would handle well.Absolutely nothing in common, whatsoever, other than overall owners, that is:D

An RS4 wouldnt have much in common with a Golf either, certainly the next gen RS4 will have nothing in common with a mk6 golf.Audis, in future will be using their own platforms. It certainly wouldnt be jumped up either, the old RS4 from a couple of years back had totally different mechanicals to a standard A4 not a mind a mk5 golf so you'll need to be a bit more specific

ninty9er

Zonda999 wrote: »

Hold on.A mini is a front wheel drive car aimed at the fashionasti.An M3 is the performance version of a standard car that already has sporting intentions, even in 318i form, it would handle well.Absolutely nothing in common, whatsoever, other than overall owners, that is:D

An RS4 wouldnt have much in common with a Golf either, certainly the next gen RS4 will have nothing in common with a mk6 golf.Audis, in future will be using their own platforms. It certainly wouldnt be jumped up either, the old RS4 from a couple of years back had totally different mechanicals to a standard A4 not a mind a mk5 golf so you'll need to be a bit more specific

I think you'll find the same is true of the Avensis and IS-F.

I'm not sure an Avensis could handle the 5.0l

VH

Zonda999 wrote: »

In fairness, the zonda has an AMG engine which gives it some pedigree anyway:D.I dont think anyone would doubt its pedigree tbh, whereas the idea behind lexus was not performance motoring.I really should change my username.My dream car has now changed to a Gumpert Apollo, the 800bhp version, please;)

Toyota are competing in f1, so.........

Zonda999

I'd have my doubts about a 400bhp golf too tbh:D:D
That said, i'd much rather have an isf than an avensis with a 5.0l engine.Imgaine that!!YUK!!Thats quite unappealling....

Zonda999

VH wrote: »

Toyota are competing in f1, so.........

They havent been at that for too long either.I remember they made a load of noise of how brilliant they were going to be but ultimately they have been a very disappointing team, even with Ralph onboard!!I dont think the F1 car is as reliable as a corolla either so..........

ninty9er

TBH if I had to choose between a M5, a RS6, an IS-F or a C63....the RS6 would win, not because it's massively different from an A6 Avant, but because it's a beast of a car and comfortable. The M5 is ugle, the IS-F is a little small to be practical in the long term and the same goes for the C63. I couldn't care less if the RS6 had the same cockpit as long as it did the extra required and had the extra functionality (no blanks on the dash) that you would expect when paying €170k. People buy these cars to be subtle...if they wanted something that stood out they'd buy a SL63 or Gallardo.

Zonda999

ninty9er wrote: »

TBH if I had to choose between a M5, a RS6, an IS-F or a C63....the RS6 would win, not because it's massively different from an A6 Avant, but because it's a beast of a car and comfortable. The M5 is ugle, the IS-F is a little small to be practical in the long term and the same goes for the C63. I couldn't care less if the RS6 had the same cockpit as long as it did the extra required and had the extra functionality (no blanks on the dash) that you would expect when paying €170k. People buy these cars to be subtle...if they wanted something that stood out they'd buy a SL63 or Gallardo.

The c63 or is-f wouldnt be expected to take on an m5 or rs6 really.The E63 would be mercs competitor and lexus dont make a performance version of the GS, which is also quite small inside for such a big car.I would defintely choose the rs6 too.Cant quite work out, though, why it aint available in saloon form.What logical reason have they??

Matt Simis

Ninty9er you reply too much!

I for one am glad the Japs have finally entered the big leagues, it took a long time. I assume the "agreement" limiting BHP (/CC?) on JDMs is now truely dead and gone?

bazz26

I don't know, Audis are probably more jumped up VWs than Lexus are Toyotas these days. Audi share platforms as well as various engines with VWs, Skodas and Seats. Lexus use their own rwd platforms and share a diesel engine from Toyota which we know is crewed for a junior exec saloon.

Maybe the Audi people are just better at pulling the wool over people's eyes than Lexus.

Matt Simis

bazz26 wrote: »

I don't know, Audis are probably more jumped up VWs than Lexus are Toyotas these days. Audi share platforms as well as various engines with VWs, Skodas and Seats. Lexus use their own rwd platforms and share a diesel engine from Toyota which we know is crewed for a junior exec saloon.

Maybe the Audi people are just better at pulling the wool over people's eyes than Lexus.

Thats kinda all $hite now in fairness isnt it?
Do you know anything about the Audi S and RS line of cars (which is what we are referring to, not 1.9TDIs)? What VW comes in V10 (petrol), Twin Turbos V8/V6s etc etc? Let alone the A8/S8 which is built on its own platform and not shared with anything (not even the Phaeton, its oldschool D1 vs Audi's D3 Space Frame platform).

I dont go for this marque b is just a jumped up marque a as they are all so interconnected these days huge lumps of nearly any car can be traced to another. And even if so, who bloody cares, its the end product that matters.

RedorDead

In this months copy of new car magazine they had a group test with the M3, IS-F and C63 AMG.

Results were

1. C63 AMG (most powerful and also cheapest by far)
2. IS-F
3. M3

Although the reviewer said if he was buying himself it would be the IS-F.

Cyrus

merc is the cheapest WOW?

they look super the c63s ill have one in a few years when depreciation takes a chunk

Zonda999

bazz26 wrote: »

I don't know, Audis are probably more jumped up VWs than Lexus are Toyotas these days. Audi share platforms as well as various engines with VWs, Skodas and Seats. Lexus use their own rwd platforms and share a diesel engine from Toyota which we know is crewed for a junior exec saloon.

Maybe the Audi people are just better at pulling the wool over people's eyes than Lexus.

The platform the new A4(Called MLP afaik) is based on will only be used by audi.This is also the platform use for the A5 and Q5.The next gen A3 may also have its own platform but it wouldnt matter if it uses the golf platform again because thats an excellent platform.As for the same engines, all the new engines that are going ito audis at the moment(1.4TFSI, 1.8TSI ETC...) are all excellent so its a good thing that they are being shared amongst the entire group.For example the 1.4tfsi base engine in the passat would be far superior IMO than the 1.6vvti base in the avensis.It would be faster, lighter on fuel, "torque"ier and it has a 6speed 'box.Surely its a good thing if audi standard engines can be bought by people loking at any marques in the vw group.I also think that if someone wants to believe that all there is to an audi is a rebadged vw, then that is fine but i think audi always do just enough in the right areas to amke their cars superior

RedorDead

C63 AMG (457BHP) = €94,550
IS-F (423BHP)= €114,930
M3 (420BHP) = €109,608

Biro

Zonda999 wrote: »

The platform the new A4(Called MLP afaik) is based on will only be used by audi.This is also the platform use for the A5 and Q5.The next gen A3 may also have its own platform but it wouldnt matter if it uses the golf platform again because thats an excellent platform.As for the same engines, all the new engines that are going ito audis at the moment(1.4TFSI, 1.8TSI ETC...) are all excellent so its a good thing that they are being shared amongst the entire group.For example the 1.4tfsi base engine in the passat would be far superior IMO than the 1.6vvti base in the avensis.It would be faster, lighter on fuel, "torque"ier and it has a 6speed 'box.Surely its a good thing if audi standard engines can be bought by people loking at any marques in the vw group.I also think that if someone wants to believe that all there is to an audi is a rebadged vw, then that is fine but i think audi always do just enough in the right areas to amke their cars superior

But the Lexus IS is a different platform than the Avensis platform - it's RWD. How can you say a Lexus is a jumped up Toyota but defend the position that an Audi isn't a jumped up VW/Skoda/Seat? There are more differences between a entry model Avensis and entry IS than there are between an entry level Passat and an entry level A4.
What you're saying is kind of like saying "I'm a vegetarian, but I love steak".

bazz26

Matt Simis wrote: »

Thats kinda all $hite now in fairness isnt it?
Do you know anything about the Audi S and RS line of cars (which is what we are referring to, not 1.9TDIs)? What VW comes in V10 (petrol), Twin Turbos V8/V6s etc etc? Let alone the A8/S8 which is built on its own platform and not shared with anything (not even the Phaeton, its oldschool D1 vs Audi's D3 Space Frame platform).

My point was in references being made by some posters earlier in the thread about Lexus as a marque just being a fancy Toyota. As with certain high end Audi models when was the last time you saw a Toyota with rwd and a 5.0 litre engine as used in the IS-F?

Matt Simis wrote: »

I dont go for this marque b is just a jumped up marque a as they are all so interconnected these days huge lumps of nearly any car can be traced to another. And even if so, who bloody cares, its the end product that matters.

I agree 100%.

Zonda999

I never really said that the isf is a jumped up avensis.There completely different cars.All i was ever saying is that lexus' originally were based on toyotas and werent meant to be performance cars.I totally accept that the isf has been done right.The core differences between the A4 and passat are becoming greater all the time anyway.Tjhe current A4 has a totally different base for a start.

bazz26

Zonda999 wrote: »

The platform the new A4(Called MLP afaik) is based on will only be used by audi.This is also the platform use for the A5 and Q5.The next gen A3 may also have its own platform but it wouldnt matter if it uses the golf platform again because thats an excellent platform.As for the same engines, all the new engines that are going ito audis at the moment(1.4TFSI, 1.8TSI ETC...) are all excellent so its a good thing that they are being shared amongst the entire group.For example the 1.4tfsi base engine in the passat would be far superior IMO than the 1.6vvti base in the avensis.It would be faster, lighter on fuel, "torque"ier and it has a 6speed 'box.Surely its a good thing if audi standard engines can be bought by people loking at any marques in the vw group.I also think that if someone wants to believe that all there is to an audi is a rebadged vw, then that is fine but i think audi always do just enough in the right areas to amke their cars superior

And what about when Toyota had Variable Valve Timing in the likes of the entry level Yaris/Corolla/Avensis 10 years ago when VW and Audi where still selling their 8 valve engines? Now that they have updated their engines people are singing and dancing about it.

Cyrus

RedorDead wrote: »

C63 AMG (457BHP) = €94,550
IS-F (423BHP)= €114,930
M3 (420BHP) = €109,608

mmmm 3 years time i reckon a c63 will be about €55k

Zonda999

bazz26 wrote: »

And what about when Toyota had Variable Valve Timing in the likes of the entry level Yaris/Corolla/Avensis 10 years ago when VW and Audi where still selling their 8 valve engines? Now that they have updated their engines people are singing and dancing about it.

I still dont think that was as good a development as direct injection and downsizing and compensating with turbo's is now.Toyota is still using those engines now when it looks like they are out of their league in terms of performance and emissions.I dont hear any about any new technology that toyota is putting into its engines these days.We'll see if theyve done anything when the new avensis is unveiled in the next few months.There was certainly nothing new in the auris, a car that is far inferior to the mk5 golf IMO, not a mind the mk6

Biro

Zonda999 wrote: »

I still dont think that was as good a development as direct injection and downsizing and compensating with turbo's is now.Toyota is still using those engines now when it looks like they are out of their league in terms of performance and emissions.I dont hear any about any new technology that toyota is putting into its engines these days.We'll see if theyve done anything when the new avensis is unveiled in the next few months.There was certainly nothing new in the auris, a car that is far inferior to the mk5 golf IMO, not a mind the mk6

There you go again though, slagging off Toyota saying they've done nothing new with their engines, and Audi/VW are fantastic for coming up with great new petrol engines.
VW/Audi were further behind the competition with their 8v engines than most other companies ever were, and they left them in situ for years. Back 12 years ago a 1.4 Civic would maul a 2004 1.4 Bora for example, even if you even the handicap with 100kgs in the boot of the Civic. Now the tables have turned but instead of just accepting it as progress like most other car owners did in the past, the VAG fan club somehow think it's time to look at the competition and guffaw at their unworthiness.
Nissan had the March Super Turbo back in the 80's, but no one credits them.
I'm not aiming at you specifically, but just in general at the VAG club spouting on about superiority when it's just a good development that is long overdue.

Zonda999

Trust me, i'll be the first to admit that vw had very poor engines in the mid nineties.That 1.6 8v is still in existance today and, as far as i can see one of the worst currently available.However, they are putting in a good bit of development in recent years and we are living in the present afterall.Its developments now that matter.Toyota made some great engines in the nineties but all i'm saying is that they need to be putting more development in their engines now.they are a bit outdated.They should start by putting direct injection into the new avensis

philtaylor

In my honest opinion looks very cheap and nasty. However but the Five Axis body kit on it and it becomes alot nicer.

Cyrus

that is horrible IMO

In standard trim it loses out to the m3 and c63 i think aswell looks wise

Zonda999

My eyes, Ze goggles they do nothing!!!

That has to be one of the most vulgar cars ive seen in my life, Horrible

cpoh1

I think it'll be interesting in the next 2-3 years with all the japanese concepts if they come into prosduction. The japanese supercar was king of the 90's but with the latest porsches and various m and rs badged german cars the last 10 years have been good for the european car manufacturers.

Now that the GTR has come out and the new Supra and NSX have been given approval for production BMW and Audi will have their work cut out matching these cars.

The IS-F is a more exculsive car than the M3 ever will be due to production numbers and a lot less recognisable too, which is the main attraction with these cars and what the original M series originally stood for.

Cyrus

cpoh1 wrote: »

I think it'll be interesting in the next 2-3 years with all the japanese concepts if they come into prosduction. The japanese supercar was king of the 90's but with the latest porsches and various m and rs badged german cars the last 10 years have been good for the european car manufacturers.

Now that the GTR has come out and the new Supra and NSX have been given approval for production BMW and Audi will have their work cut out matching these cars.

The IS-F is a more exculsive car than the M3 ever will be due to production numbers and a lot less recognisable too, which is the main attraction with these cars and what the original M series originally stood for.

nope, itll be an 'exclusive' car due to the fact no one will buy it :pac:and its just as recognisable to anyone who knows, i mean the exhaust for one thing

Marcus.Aurelius

I love the look of it, and the drive.

Who the hell said pedigree????

Toyota Supra, Soarer, MR2, Celica, too many to mention.

Pedigree my left testicle.

cpoh1

Cyrus wrote: »

nope, itll be an 'exclusive' car due to the fact no one will buy it :pac:and its just as recognisable to anyone who knows, i mean the exhaust for one thing

Considering there are only 150 that were released to the UK market (all sold). There are over 400 M3 saloons alone for sale in the UK, let alone the more popular coupe. The M3 is a far more recognisable performance car to the general public and less exclusive too.

Cyrus

cpoh1 wrote: »

Considering there are only 150 that were released to the UK market (all sold). There are over 400 M3 saloons alone for sale in the UK, let alone the more popular coupe. The M3 is a far more recognisable performance car to the general public and less exclusive too.

they only allocated 150 to the UK market because they wont sell in high volumes, if it is that exclusive i wouldnt be able to goto Tom Hogans and buy one today for less than the price of an equivalent m3

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also 3 for sale here

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