Name Your Price

Peyton Manning

Just a little game I was thinking of, if you could call it that. Basically, Im going to list some of today's players - both the best in the world and some random names thrown in for good effect. What I want you all to do if you want to contribute, is to set a price for each player. Ignore the "English Player Effect" if you can please, i.e. dont set a deliberately high price just because they are English as a lot of clubs do.

In terms of scale, im going with Zinedine Zidane. Most of us consider him the best player of the modern era (or ever in some cases). He cost £46 million. So realistically, no price should go over that amount. (This is an honest assessment - Im sorry, but Cristiano Ronaldo is not worth what Madrid are believed to be offering). Take into account age, form, injury history, strength of alternatives, etc. Again, its how much you think a player is WORTH, not how much it would cost to sign them. Its just something to do on a slow bank holiday evening.

So, if Zinedine Zidane is worth £46,000,000 - how much are the following worth in your opinion?

1. Cristiano Ronaldo..........
2. Lionel Messi.................
3. Samuel Eto'o................
4. Michael Essien..............
5. Andrés Iniesta..............
6. Fernando Torres...........
7. Emmanuel Adebayor......
8. Ronaldinho...................
9. Steven Gerrard.............
10. Rio Ferdinand..............
11. Didier Drogba..............
12. Daniel Alves...............
13. Robinho.....................
14. Klaas Jan Huntelaar.....
15. Dmitar Berbatov.........
16. Robbie Keane.............
17. Xavi.........................
18. David Villa.................
19. Kaka........................
20. Zlatan Ibrahimovic......
21. Alesandro Nesta.........
22. Gigi Buffon................
23. Iker Casillas..............
24. John Terry................
25. Cesc Fabregas..........
26. Darren Bent..............
27. Andrey Arshavin........
28. Gareth Barry.............
29. Thierry Henry............
30. Wayne Rooney..........

~Rebel~

No major planning here, just picking a number off the top of my head when i think of the player/age/fitness/impact on a team.

1. Cristiano Ronaldo..........45m
2. Lionel Messi.................46m
3. Samuel Eto'o................22m
4. Michael Essien..............35m
5. Andrés Iniesta..............20m
6. Fernando Torres...........45m
7. Emmanuel Adebayor......25m
8. Ronaldinho...................20m
9. Steven Gerrard.............35m
10. Rio Ferdinand..............14m
11. Didier Drogba..............18m
12. Daniel Alves...............22m
13. Robinho.....................17m
14. Klaas Jan Huntelaar.....18m
15. Dmitar Berbatov.........18m
16. Robbie Keane.............19m
17. Xavi.........................30m
18. David Villa.................35m
19. Kaka........................35m
20. Zlatan Ibrahimovic......25m
21. Alesandro Nesta.........15m
22. Gigi Buffon................25m
23. Iker Casillas..............25m
24. John Terry................28m
25. Cesc Fabregas..........40m
26. Darren Bent..............15m
27. Andrey Arshavin........15m
28. Gareth Barry.............15m
29. Thierry Henry............15m
30. Wayne Rooney..........30m

eZe^

European currency prices;

1. Cristiano Ronaldo..........55m
2. Lionel Messi.................56m
3. Samuel Eto'o................28m
4. Michael Essien..............29m
5. Andrés Iniesta..............28m
6. Fernando Torres...........35m
7. Emmanuel Adebayor......26m
8. Ronaldinho...................21m
9. Steven Gerrard.............28m
10. Rio Ferdinand..............23m
11. Didier Drogba..............22m
12. Daniel Alves...............21m
13. Robinho.....................25m
14. Klaas Jan Huntelaar.....22m
15. Dmitar Berbatov.........23m
16. Robbie Keane.............20m
17. Xavi.........................32m
18. David Villa.................37m
19. Kaka........................44m
20. Zlatan Ibrahimovic......25m
21. Alesandro Nesta.........21m
22. Gigi Buffon................23m
23. Iker Casillas..............30m
24. John Terry................20m
25. Cesc Fabregas..........38m
26. Darren Bent..............10m
27. Andrey Arshavin........17m
28. Gareth Barry.............16m
29. Thierry Henry............15m
30. Wayne Rooney..........27m


I did tried to take into account position/ skillwise. That why I didnt rate either of the defenders more than 23m

Peyton Manning

~Rebel~ wrote: »

No major planning here, just picking a number off the top of my head when i think of the player/age/fitness/impact on a team.

Yup thats pretty much what I wanted. But I have to ask, do you really think Ronaldo, Torres, and Messi are worth the same as Zidane?

eZe^

Mine were off the cuff of my head also, but I've edited since, there was no way Henry is only worth 2 million more than Bent. Regardless of how bad a season he had... =P Also, its very very hard to dismiss how important certain players are for their club. For example, Cassilas might only be worth 30 million, but to buy him you would actually need 80 million.

PHB

Is this just as a player? Cause if you include marketing it gets weird.

dfx-

In Euro:

1. Cristiano Ronaldo..........55m
2. Lionel Messi.................75m at least
3. Samuel Eto'o................29m
4. Michael Essien..............33m
5. Andrés Iniesta..............32m
6. Fernando Torres...........35m
7. Emmanuel Adebayor......25m
8. Ronaldinho...................22m
9. Steven Gerrard.............25m
10. Rio Ferdinand..............24m
11. Didier Drogba..............21m
12. Daniel Alves...............18m
13. Robinho.....................28m
14. Klaas Jan Huntelaar.....25m
15. Dmitar Berbatov.........22m
16. Robbie Keane.............20m
17. Xavi.........................30m
18. David Villa.................27m
19. Kaka........................35m
20. Zlatan Ibrahimovic......19m
21. Alesandro Nesta.........15m
22. Gigi Buffon................30m
23. Iker Casillas..............45m
24. John Terry................25m
25. Cesc Fabregas..........31m
26. Darren Bent..............13m
27. Andrey Arshavin........15m
28. Gareth Barry.............13m
29. Thierry Henry............10m
30. Wayne Rooney..........30m

Peyton Manning

eZe^ wrote: »

For example, Cassilas might only be worth 30 million, but to buy him you would actually need 80 million.

Just imagine that every club would sell at what the player is worth.

PHB wrote: »

Is this just as a player? Cause if you include marketing it gets weird.

No marketing included.

eZe^

Ok, I guess mine are now final. I must have edited about 6 times. I keep thinking of over the odds signings and its skewing my estimations.

gustavo

I'm using Euros seeing as its the currency used in this country and most of Europe

1. Cristiano Ronaldo..........58
2. Lionel Messi.................65
3. Samuel Eto'o................30
4. Michael Essien..............35
5. Andrés Iniesta..............28
6. Fernando Torres...........50
7. Emmanuel Adebayor......40
8. Ronaldinho...................35
9. Steven Gerrard.............43
10. Rio Ferdinand..............40
11. Didier Drogba..............35
12. Daniel Alves...............30
13. Robinho.....................55
14. Klaas Jan Huntelaar.....30
15. Dmitar Berbatov.........35
16. Robbie Keane.............30
17. Xavi.........................30
18. David Villa.................50
19. Kaka........................65
20. Zlatan Ibrahimovic......40
21. Alesandro Nesta.........20
22. Gigi Buffon................25
23. Iker Casillas..............35
24. John Terry................30
25. Cesc Fabregas..........60
26. Darren Bent..............20
27. Andrey Arshavin........20
28. Gareth Barry.............20
29. Thierry Henry............25
30. Wayne Rooney..........40

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Archimedes wrote: »

No marketing included.

But it would have been factored into ZZ's price.

OPENROAD

£ GBP Prices


1. Cristiano Ronaldo..........45m
2. Lionel Messi.................44m
3. Samuel Eto'o................20m
4. Michael Essien..............30m
5. Andrés Iniesta..............20m
6. Fernando Torres...........35m
7. Emmanuel Adebayor......25m
8. Ronaldinho...................20m
9. Steven Gerrard.............30m
10. Rio Ferdinand..............16m
11. Didier Drogba..............20m
12. Daniel Alves...............22m
13. Robinho.....................16m
14. Klaas Jan Huntelaar.....18m
15. Dmitar Berbatov.........18m
16. Robbie Keane.............14m
17. Xavi.........................25m
18. David Villa.................35m
19. Kaka........................35m
20. Zlatan Ibrahimovic......20m
21. Alesandro Nesta.........18m
22. Gigi Buffon................25m
23. Iker Casillas..............25m
24. John Terry................25m
25. Cesc Fabregas..........45m
26. Darren Bent..............12m
27. Andrey Arshavin........15m
28. Gareth Barry.............15m
29. Thierry Henry............20m
30. Wayne Rooney..........30m

Tusky

Everyone should do it in the same currency. Sterling is easier.

1. Cristiano Ronaldo 35m
2. Lionel Messi 40m
3. Samuel Eto'o 23m
4. Michael Essien 30m
5. Andrés Iniesta 22m
6. Fernando Torres 35m
7. Emmanuel Adebayor 20m
8. Ronaldinho 20m
9. Steven Gerrard 35m
10. Rio Ferdinand 18m
11. Didier Drogba 20m
12. Daniel Alves 15m
13. Robinho 25m
14. Klaas Jan Huntelaar 15m
15. Dmitar Berbatov 18m
16. Robbie Keane 16m
17. Xavi 30m
18. David Villa 25m
19. Kaka 35m
20. Zlatan Ibrahimovic 17m
21. Alesandro Nesta 14m
22. Gigi Buffon 20m
23. Iker Casillas 20m
24. John Terry 18m
25. Cesc Fabregas 35m
26. Darren Bent 15m
27. Andrey Arshavin 15m
28. Gareth Barry12m
29. Thierry Henry15m
30. Wayne Rooney 20m

Bounty Hunter

1. Cristiano Ronaldo 38m
2. Lionel Messi 44m
3. Samuel Eto'o 24m
4. Michael Essien 28m
5. Andrés Iniesta 22m
6. Fernando Torres 33m
7. Emmanuel Adebayor 22m
8. Ronaldinho 20m
9. Steven Gerrard 33m
10. Rio Ferdinand 18m
11. Didier Drogba 20m
12. Daniel Alves 15m
13. Robinho 25m
14. Klaas Jan Huntelaar 15m
15. Dmitar Berbatov 19m
16. Robbie Keane 15m
17. Xavi 26m
18. David Villa 25m
19. Kaka 36m
20. Zlatan Ibrahimovic 20m
21. Alesandro Nesta 15m
22. Gigi Buffon 24m
23. Iker Casillas 25m
24. John Terry 18m
25. Cesc Fabregas 36m
26. Darren Bent 13m
27. Andrey Arshavin 15m
28. Gareth Barry12.5m
29. Thierry Henry14m
30. Wayne Rooney 25m

all of the top o me head

Bubs101

All prices in Sterling and millions. BTW, you do know that the exchange rate is only 5/6 now. The Euro and the Sterling are really close

1. Cristiano Ronaldo..........53
2. Lionel Messi.................40
3. Samuel Eto'o................16
4. Michael Essien..............25
5. Andrés Iniesta..............20
6. Fernando Torres...........30
7. Emmanuel Adebayor......16
8. Ronaldinho...................20
9. Steven Gerrard.............20
10. Rio Ferdinand..............18
11. Didier Drogba..............25
12. Daniel Alves...............23
13. Robinho.....................30
14. Klaas Jan Huntelaar.....25
15. Dmitar Berbatov.........20
16. Robbie Keane.............12
17. Xavi.........................18
18. David Villa.................20
19. Kaka........................30
20. Zlatan Ibrahimovic......28
21. Alesandro Nesta.........15
22. Gigi Buffon................23
23. Iker Casillas..............23
24. John Terry................15
25. Cesc Fabregas..........40
26. Darren Bent..............8
27. Andrey Arshavin........12
28. Gareth Barry.............10
29. Thierry Henry............14
30. Wayne Rooney..........30

I think most people's posts here have really overvalued some players. As for Ronaldo, I think that he is worth a good bit more than Zidane because A, he's scored 30+ goals in a season, something Zizou never did and B, he's really young. Messi gets injured too much too command a similar fee IMO.

As for Eze rating Casillas some 13 million pounds above Gigi, they must be making some ridiculously strong crack in the catalan district of Cork:D

Going with Zidane as the scale my prices will be lower than what clubs would end up paaying for these guys.

1. Cristiano Ronaldo.......... 35m
2. Lionel Messi................. 35m
3. Samuel Eto'o................ 30m
4. Michael Essien.............. 27m
5. Andrés Iniesta.............. 25m
6. Fernando Torres........... 30m
7. Emmanuel Adebayor...... 16m
8. Ronaldinho................... 20m
9. Steven Gerrard............. 27m
10. Rio Ferdinand.............. 30m
11. Didier Drogba.............. 30m
12. Daniel Alves............... 22m
13. Robinho..................... 20m
14. Klaas Jan Huntelaar..... 15m
15. Dmitar Berbatov......... 20m
16. Robbie Keane............. 14m
17. Xavi......................... 30m
18. David Villa................. 25m
19. Kaka........................ 35m
20. Zlatan Ibrahimovic...... 20m
21. Alesandro Nesta......... now 15m...few years ago 22m
22. Gigi Buffon................ 25m
23. Iker Casillas.............. 25m
24. John Terry................ 20m
25. Cesc Fabregas.......... 25m
26. Darren Bent.............. 6m
27. Andrey Arshavin........ 6m
28. Gareth Barry............. 8m
29. Thierry Henry............ now 14m before 30m
30. Wayne Rooney.......... 30m

ibh

Bubs101 wrote: »

All prices in Sterling and millions. BTW, you do know that the exchange rate is only 5/6 now. The Euro and the Sterling are really close

1. Cristiano Ronaldo..........53
2. Lionel Messi.................40
3. Samuel Eto'o................16
4. Michael Essien..............25
5. Andrés Iniesta..............20
6. Fernando Torres...........30
7. Emmanuel Adebayor......16
8. Ronaldinho...................20
9. Steven Gerrard.............20
10. Rio Ferdinand..............18
11. Didier Drogba..............25
12. Daniel Alves...............23
13. Robinho.....................30
14. Klaas Jan Huntelaar.....25
15. Dmitar Berbatov.........20
16. Robbie Keane.............12
17. Xavi.........................18
18. David Villa.................20
19. Kaka........................30
20. Zlatan Ibrahimovic......28
21. Alesandro Nesta.........15
22. Gigi Buffon................23
23. Iker Casillas..............23
24. John Terry................15
25. Cesc Fabregas..........40
26. Darren Bent..............8
27. Andrey Arshavin........12
28. Gareth Barry.............10
29. Thierry Henry............14
30. Wayne Rooney..........30

I think most people's posts here have really overvalued some players. As for Ronaldo, I think that he is worth a good bit more than Zidane because A, he's scored 30+ goals in a season, something Zizou never did and B, he's really young. Messi gets injured too much too command a similar fee IMO.

As for Eze rating Casillas some 13 million pounds above Gigi, they must be making some ridiculously strong crack in the catalan district of Cork:D

if i was a manager i'd like to be buying from you!!! i'd take eto'o and adebayor for 16m each and i'd take two Gerrard's at 20m each..:pac:

Tusky

Bubs101 wrote: »

All prices in Sterling and millions. BTW, you do know that the exchange rate is only 5/6 now. The Euro and the Sterling are really close

1. Cristiano Ronaldo..........53
2. Lionel Messi.................40
3. Samuel Eto'o................16
4. Michael Essien..............25
5. Andrés Iniesta..............20
6. Fernando Torres...........30
7. Emmanuel Adebayor......16
8. Ronaldinho...................20
9. Steven Gerrard.............20
10. Rio Ferdinand..............18
11. Didier Drogba..............25
12. Daniel Alves...............23
13. Robinho.....................30
14. Klaas Jan Huntelaar.....25
15. Dmitar Berbatov.........20
16. Robbie Keane.............12
17. Xavi.........................18
18. David Villa.................20
19. Kaka........................30
20. Zlatan Ibrahimovic......28
21. Alesandro Nesta.........15
22. Gigi Buffon................23
23. Iker Casillas..............23
24. John Terry................15
25. Cesc Fabregas..........40
26. Darren Bent..............8
27. Andrey Arshavin........12
28. Gareth Barry.............10
29. Thierry Henry............14
30. Wayne Rooney..........30

I think most people's posts here have really overvalued some players. As for Ronaldo, I think that he is worth a good bit more than Zidane because A, he's scored 30+ goals in a season, something Zizou never did and B, he's really young. Messi gets injured too much too command a similar fee IMO.

As for Eze rating Casillas some 13 million pounds above Gigi, they must be making some ridiculously strong crack in the catalan district of Cork:D

I disagree. In my opinion, your estimates are much much worse than everyone elses. Darren Bent for 8 m ? Keane 12m ? Xavi 18m ? Eto'o 16m ? Gerrard 20m ?

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Eto'o--Bent

Arsharvin---Barry----Xavi----Gerrard

That front 6 would only cost 84m by your prices! Could possibly be the new Man City line up ?

Peyton Manning

Tusky wrote: »

I disagree. In my opinion, your estimates are much much worse than everyone elses. Darren Bent for 8 m ? Keane 12m ? Xavi 18m ? Eto'o 16m ? Gerrard 20m ?

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Eto'o--Bent

Arsharvin---Barry----Xavi----Gerrard

That front 6 would only cost 84m by your prices! Could possibly be the new Man City line up ?

Thats nonsense. City would never sign Bent. He was never any good in Football Manager.

Bubs101

Tusky wrote: »

I disagree. In my opinion, your estimates are much much worse than everyone elses. Darren Bent for 8 m ? Keane 12m ? Xavi 18m ? Eto'o 16m ? Gerrard 20m ?

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Eto'o--Bent

Arsharvin---Barry----Xavi----Gerrard

That front 6 would only cost 84m by your prices! Could possibly be the new Man City line up ?

Well Eto'o has been up for sale for ages and nobody has bitten. I've only seen Arshavin in Euro 2008 and 3 games is nowhere near enough to give a player an exorbatant transfer fee. Bent hasn't played regular football for a year. Stevie G is much more valuable to Liverpool than anyone else in the same way that Totti is to Roma. He goes missing in so many games and personally I don't rate him that highly. Xavi may have been underpriced in admission. Considering how much English bias adds to a players evaluation I think it's telling that 3 of the 6 are english.

It's also worth keeping in mind that most clubs had far more money and players went for much more when Zizou was around. These days, unless Chelsea are interested and unless he's English, it's rare that any player who's sold for 20million plus isn't either British or phenomenal

eZe^

Bubs101 wrote: »

As for Eze rating Casillas some 13 million pounds above Gigi, they must be making some ridiculously strong crack in the catalan district of Cork:D

Very good point actually. I made Casillas higher but forgot to increase Buffons. I'd still rate him about 4-5 million euro more though considering he's 3 years younger and his trophy haul is higher (bar WC obviously).

MisterAnarchy

Price in £
How much I think these players are worth factoring in age .

1. Cristiano Ronaldo..........£35m
2. Lionel Messi.................£35m
3. Samuel Eto'o................£20m
4. Michael Essien..............£15m
5. Andrés Iniesta..............£18m
6. Fernando Torres...........£22m
7. Emmanuel Adebayor......£16m
8. Ronaldinho...................£26m
9. Steven Gerrard.............£17m
10. Rio Ferdinand..............£17m
11. Didier Drogba..............£15m
12. Daniel Alves...............£16m
13. Robinho.....................£25m
14. Klaas Jan Huntelaar.....£14m
15. Dmitar Berbatov.........£22m
16. Robbie Keane.............£9m
17. Xavi.........................£27m
18. David Villa.................£27m
19. Kaka........................£28m
20. Zlatan Ibrahimovic......£19m
21. Alesandro Nesta.........£13m
22. Gigi Buffon................£13m
23. Iker Casillas..............£20m
24. John Terry................£12m
25. Cesc Fabregas..........£25m
26. Darren Bent..............£10m
27. Andrey Arshavin........£11m
28. Gareth Barry.............£6m
29. Thierry Henry............£18m
30. Wayne Rooney..........£16m

DSB

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Price in £
How much I think these players are worth factoring in age .

1. Cristiano Ronaldo..........£35m
2. Lionel Messi.................£35m
3. Samuel Eto'o................£20m
4. Michael Essien..............£15m
5. Andrés Iniesta..............£18m
6. Fernando Torres...........£22m
7. Emmanuel Adebayor......£16m
8. Ronaldinho...................£26m
9. Steven Gerrard.............£17m
10. Rio Ferdinand..............£17m
11. Didier Drogba..............£15m
12. Daniel Alves...............£16m
13. Robinho.....................£25m
14. Klaas Jan Huntelaar.....£14m
15. Dmitar Berbatov.........£22m
16. Robbie Keane.............£9m
17. Xavi.........................£27m
18. David Villa.................£27m
19. Kaka........................£28m
20. Zlatan Ibrahimovic......£19m
21. Alesandro Nesta.........£13m
22. Gigi Buffon................£13m
23. Iker Casillas..............£20m
24. John Terry................£12m
25. Cesc Fabregas..........£25m
26. Darren Bent..............£10m
27. Andrey Arshavin........£11m
28. Gareth Barry.............£6m
29. Thierry Henry............£18m
30. Wayne Rooney..........£16m

Darren Bent worth 4 million more than Barry? You're having a laugh mate. Ronaldinho worth 10 million more than Rooney? LOLOLOLOL.

mormank

wayne rooney=most over rated player the premiership has ever produced imo

SantryRed

mormank wrote: »

wayne rooney=most over rated player the premiership has ever produced imo

^^
That statement. Bull sh1t.

ditpoker

majority seem to think messi is the bestestest, with ronaldo a close second. While I accept that as attacking players their price is artificially inflated, but players such as Buffon/Casillias/Terry/Ferdinand are far more important to their team than messi. I like Messi, i LOVE Messi, he is amazing to watch, but he cant deliver his top form game in game out. There are alot of barca games where he is anonymous. When he is amazing he is AMAZING, but the likes of Buffon or Terry are brilliant in their position game in game out. I haven't watched every Barca game but I have watched alot, maybe someone who has seen more will confirm (or deny) Messi's consistency. I know he missed a few games through injury but i'd say maybe only half the barca games i watched did i see the Messi that Messi is believed to be.

Also, I think only one person valued Nesta as 20m+ ... and someone said a few years ago he'd be worth more. I reckon with Nesta he is so settled at Milan, he is just not leaving so people dont try to buy him, so he;s not in the headlines much. But if anyone actually wanted him he'd be 30m+ ... also, no mention of cannavaro, who is better than zidane!

eZe^

Messi doesn't so much go anonymous in games as tries to take too much on. Thats why he doesn't score as many goal as Ronaldo (doubt he ever will though, he is a style of winger). In a game he sometimes feel like he is the sole carrier of the team, and tries to beat every player on the field twice, you can see him getting frustrated. Now thats changing, and I think you'll see a much more complete and mature Messi this season, if he stays injury free, I reckon he'll bag about 22 goals.


I actually think Cannavaro is the most over-rated defender of all time. He is good no doubt, but I don't think he deserver a WPY award. Especially when people like Hierro and Maldini missed out on them. He was absolutely untouchable at the world cup, but he was playing way better than his career levels imo. Then when he joined Madrid, he went below his levels at Juve for a while, and then he stabalised towards the end of his first season, going back to a very solid very good defender.

likeacod

1. Cristiano Ronaldo..........30
2. Lionel Messi.................32
3. Samuel Eto'o................15
4. Michael Essien..............20
5. Andrés Iniesta..............17.5
6. Fernando Torres...........40
7. Emmanuel Adebayor......25
8. Ronaldinho...................20
9. Steven Gerrard.............32
10. Rio Ferdinand..............20
11. Didier Drogba..............24
12. Daniel Alves...............21
13. Robinho.....................20
14. Klaas Jan Huntelaar.....15
15. Dmitar Berbatov.........22
16. Robbie Keane.............16
17. Xavi.........................15
18. David Villa.................27.5
19. Kaka........................25
20. Zlatan Ibrahimovic......15
21. Alesandro Nesta.........10
22. Gigi Buffon................12
23. Iker Casillas..............20
24. John Terry................25
25. Cesc Fabregas..........40
26. Darren Bent..............12.5
27. Andrey Arshavin........12
28. Gareth Barry.............15
29. Thierry Henry............10
30. Wayne Rooney.......30

DSB

mormank wrote: »

wayne rooney=most over rated player the premiership has ever produced imo

Wow. I find that bizarre to hear.

ditpoker

eZe^ wrote: »

I actually think Cannavaro is the most over-rated defender of all time. He is good no doubt, but I don't think he deserver a WPY award. Especially when people like Hierro and Maldini missed out on them. He was absolutely untouchable at the world cup, but he was playing way better than his career levels imo. Then when he joined Madrid, he went below his levels at Juve for a while, and then he stabalised towards the end of his first season, going back to a very solid very good defender.

hmm... i'm basing most of my cannavaro opinion on the WC and the end of his first season at Real... probably caught him at his best then. My guess is had spain or italy won the euro's or the WC when hierro and maldini were at their best they'd have won the player of the year award. i agree though, defenders in general don't get the credit they deserve. goals = tv/money/glory ... tackles = pat on the back

still think nesta is the business!

Boggles

mormank wrote: »

wayne rooney=most over rated player the premiership has ever produced imo

Yeah, 22 years of age, 2 league titles. Very overated. :rolleyes: