Freedom to do what we want and when we want

drunkmonkey

Sully wrote: »

It was shut down due to alchol being consumed on a premisses with no license and some damage was done to the building. The OP decided to actually ask the organisers after slamming the guardai. He got it wrong.

who was slamming the garda? I've nothing against guarda, but I don't think they should be allowed to brake up partys which they do constantly, people should be allowed party when they want and where they want....Garda don't make the rules, they just enforce them, some laws good, some bad...

Garda slamming is not cool, they do a good job and i'm happy we have them.....

Marcus.Aurelius

drunkmonkey wrote: »

who was slamming the garda? I've nothing against guarda, but I don't think they should be allowed to brake up partys which they do constantly, people should be allowed party when they want and where they want

Public order offences are taken seriously. Usually the guards only act where a complaint has been made. If a party goes past 11/12 PM in a housing estate, it's bad form, and we will act on complaints where necessary.

Selfish pr**ks get their parties shut down, not decent ordinary party goers.

Sully

drunkmonkey wrote: »

who was slamming the garda? I've nothing against guarda, but I don't think they should be allowed to brake up partys which they do constantly, people should be allowed party when they want and where they want....Garda don't make the rules, they just enforce them, some laws good, some bad...

Garda slamming is not cool, they do a good job and i'm happy we have them.....

The Gardai don't break up party's for the "fun of it". They do it if drugs are being consumed or alcohol is being consumed illegally. I fully support them crashing partys and shutting it down for such reasons - in fact, they need to do it more.

Indeed they do a good job.

drunkmonkey

Sully wrote: »

The Gardai don't break up party's for the "fun of it". They do it if drugs are being consumed or alcohol is being consumed illegally. I fully support them crashing partys and shutting it down for such reasons - in fact, they need to do it more.

So what if people are having a spiff and a bottle of bud, what business is it of the Garda or anyone else....as long as there all consenting adults and nobody is getting hurt.....

I completley disagree with your opinion that more partys should be shut down, I think we should be having more partys.....but i'm going shut my mouth and leave it at that as this thread will start to go completley off topic....

Sully

drunkmonkey wrote: »

So what if people are having a spiff and a bottle of bud, what business is it of the Garda or anyone else....as long as there all consenting adults and nobody is getting hurt.....

I completley disagree with your opinion that more partys should be shut down, I think we should be having more partys.....but i'm going shut my mouth and leave it at that as this thread will start to go completley off topic....

Drugs are illegal. Under age drinking is also illegal. If you break the law, expect to get arrested. Its not a silly law.

Have all the party's you like, as long as it sticks within the law. To many people are dying from taking drugs, and all in house party's. More enforcement is needed.

drunkmonkey

Sully wrote: »

Drugs are illegal. Under age drinking is also illegal. If you break the law, expect to get arrested. Its not a silly law.

Have all the party's you like, as long as it sticks within the law. To many people are dying from taking drugs, and all in house party's. More enforcement is needed.

Who's laws?, was I consulted on any of them?, do I think there fair?, do they create more problems than they solve?

I'll live my life the way I choose not by any book of rules, this is a free world, the quicker Draconian thinking is put to bed for good the better, society and people deserve more freedom and respect.

Sully

This isnt a free country. There are laws in place for a reason, and you will have no choice to live with them if you wish to live in peace in this country. Clearly a lot of people agree - as if a law was in place nobody liked, we would have heard about it.

Mossy Monk

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Who's laws?, was I consulted on any of them?, do I think there fair?, do they create more problems than they solve?

I'll live my life the way I choose not by any book of rules, this is a free world, the quicker Draconian thinking is put to bed for good the better, society and people deserve more freedom and respect.

Fight the power brother. LOL

Marcus.Aurelius

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Who's laws?, was I consulted on any of them?, do I think there fair?, do they create more problems than they solve?

I'll live my life the way I choose not by any book of rules, this is a free world, the quicker Draconian thinking is put to bed for good the better, society and people deserve more freedom and respect.

Talk about a naive post! I think you should take it to the Legal Discussion or something. You are subject to the law as much as the rest of us are, yet you are the only one whining about it. The day your son/daughter (God forbid) dies from underage alcohol intoxication or is attacked and knifed by a drugged up teenager you might reconsider the implications of such a stance.

Look at Britain for an example of what happens when the law is too relaxed. Laws are there to prevent selfish people from acting like muppets, they always hurt people eventually with their habits.

drunkmonkey

Sully wrote: »

This isnt a free country

Maybe not in your head with your little book of rules...

It's always been free to me.......

Sully

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Maybe not in your head with your little book of rules...

It's always been free to me.......

So you have never been arrested, warned by a Guarda, or a teacher, or even your parents? You can do exactly what you want and when you want, and have always gotten away with it?

drunkmonkey

Sully wrote: »

So you have never been arrested, warned by a Guarda, or a teacher, or even your parents? You can do exactly what you want and when you want, and have always gotten away with it?

lol, "Warned by a Garda" not that would really put the fear of god in me...

To answer your question, yea pretty much, got the odd slap of a leather in school but mainly i've got away with everthing.....

I've got some class xtc in my pocket right now all ready for the rave tonight...., got some illegal smokes I bought off a polish guy in my other pocket and i'm sitting down smiling comfortably knowing i'm getting away with it....he he....you'll never take my freedom sully, book of rules or no book of rules....

Sully

Feel free to give me your name and address and ill give the guards the tip of. Since your above the law and all...

I'm gonna split this and move it over to After Hours, we have gone way of topic.

drunkmonkey

Sully wrote: »

I'm gonna split this and move it over to After Hours, we have gone way of topic.

I knew this was going to happen.....i'm putting on the boxing gloves as we speak....

Sully

Damn.

Marcus.Aurelius

What happened to the boldness?

drunkmonkey

Sully wrote: »

Damn.

It's ON!!!!!

Come one let's be having you.....don't forget to bring your little rule book, don't want any below the belt shots.....:cool:

drunkmonkey

Marcus.Aurelius wrote: »

What happened to the boldness?

A Garda just walked by, had to keep the head down for a minute;)

Sully

Sure, you have nothing to worry about - your not scared of the law.

If I murdererd one of your family, I assume you wouldnt be bothered?

drunkmonkey

Sully wrote: »

Sure, you have nothing to worry about - your not scared of the law.

If I murdererd one of your family, I assume you wouldnt be bothered?

I'd be pretty pissed off and would make it my mission to end you. Now if you were smart like me you wouldn't get caught, you might even get in a few rapes, quick bit of incest and some gay bashing and still have a free life, the only crime is getting caught.....rules mean nothing when your on a mission.

Big stretch between going to a rave and murder....One is the most serious of crimes and the other is none of anyone elses business....

5starpool

You sound like a very productive addition to society. Well done.

You sound like a right pain in the hole to live near, someone who thinks they are above the law and can be as disruptive to others as you live. Get rid of laws and you will have pitchfork weilding vigalante mobs to deal with, and tbh you sound like you deserve a pitchfork up the hole.

Sully

Ah so you do have a rulebook - its just a tad different then the common rulebook?

Here was me thinking you had the attitude you were free to do what you wanted to do and when you wanted to do it - forgetting about all the laws in existence.

drunkmonkey

This started off about having a party, I wanted more and you wanted to shut them all down cause there could be drink and drugs at them...

Of cource I believe in murder is a crime, i'm not a complete headbanger...

Your rule book is just a lot bigger than mine...

Dudess

drunkmonkey, yore mad you are!

Guy:Incognito

What would happen someone banned him? He doesnt belive in rules so would the system reject any attempt to do something he doesnt want to happen?

I think a mod should try it and see what happens. The world might end or something.

Sully

drunkmonkey wrote: »

This started off about having a party, I wanted more and you wanted to shut them all down cause there could be drink and drugs at them...

My point was that illegal drugs at party's and under age drinking should be looked into. Why? Look at past events where a **** load of people were rushed to hospital (and some died) due to drugs.

Of cource I believe in murder is a crime, i'm not a complete headbanger...

Your rule book is just a lot bigger than mine...

The way you were harping on said otherwise.

Doctor DooM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

This started off about having a party, I wanted more and you wanted to shut them all down cause there could be drink and drugs at them...

Of cource I believe in murder is a crime, i'm not a complete headbanger...

Your rule book is just a lot bigger than mine...

Ok so...

Who are you to decide which rule book everyone lives by, because there's already one and its a consensus.

drunkmonkey

Sully wrote: »

My point was that illegal drugs at party's and under age drinking should be looked into. Why? Look at past events where a **** load of people were rushed to hospital (and some died) due to drugs.

Yes and a load more people died from lung cancer but you don't see the Garda raiding centra shops...

Dudess

I've heard straws can be harsh on the auld hands. I'd recommend E45 hand cream - great for chafing.

SuperSean11

drunkmonkey wrote: »

This started off about having a party, I wanted more and you wanted to shut them all down cause there could be drink and drugs at them...

Of cource I believe in murder is a crime, i'm not a complete headbanger...

Your rule book is just a lot bigger than mine...

I thought the title of this thread was
"Freedom to do what we want and when we want" that means no rules at all. You having second thoughts?

drunkmonkey

SDooM wrote: »

Ok so...

Who are you to decide which rule book everyone lives by, because there's already one and its a consensus.

Where is this mythical rule book... Nobody ever handed me a book and said, hey kid, this is what you can and can't do......

SuperSean11

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Where is this mythical rule book... Nobody ever handed me a book and said, hey kid, this is what you can and can't do......

Your the one that said there was a book

drunkmonkey

SuperSean11 wrote: »

Your the one that said there was a book

Sully said there were rules and I have live by them, he must have seen them in a book somewhere, if he didn't there are no rules....

Dudess

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I'd be pretty pissed off and would make it my mission to end you. Now if you were smart like me you wouldn't get caught, you might even get in a few rapes, quick bit of incest and some gay bashing and still have a free life, the only crime is getting caught.....rules mean nothing when your on a mission.

I can possibly see where you're coming from when it comes to commiting crimes that don't harm anyone else or only harm yourself - e.g. a 17-year-old lad having sex with his 16-year-old (and therefore, underage) girlfriend, drugs etc. But when you bring in what I've highlighted above, your argument loses all credibility.

Big stretch between going to a rave and murder....One is the most serious of crimes and the other is none of anyone elses business....

But murder would be ok if you didn't get caught? Or is murder something you'd take the moral high ground on, as opposed to rape and incest - because at least with them, nobody dies (unless of course the victim commits suicide as a result of the emotional and psychological trauma)...?

jesus_thats_gre

drunkmonkey wrote: »

lol, "Warned by a Garda" not that would really put the fear of god in me...

To answer your question, yea pretty much, got the odd slap of a leather in school but mainly i've got away with everthing.....

I've got some class xtc in my pocket right now all ready for the rave tonight...., got some illegal smokes I bought off a polish guy in my other pocket and i'm sitting down smiling comfortably knowing i'm getting away with it....he he....you'll never take my freedom sully, book of rules or no book of rules....

Oh good lord child, will you shut your ****ing mouth..

SuperSean11

drunkmonkey wrote: »

he must have seen them in a book somewhere, if he didn't there are no rules....

Whys that? Just cause you dont see something doesnt mean its not there. Rules a great what would be life without rules. We wouldnt get anything done.

ec18

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Yes and a load more people died from lung cancer but you don't see the Garda raiding centra shops...

I'm sorry when did Centra start selling Cancer?

Smoking only increases your chances of cancer occurring. It does increase them hugely and can cause a host of other nasty diseases. But tobacco is a legal and regulated industry with in place manufacturing process's that guarantee the quality of the product to consumers. Tobacco also has no real effect on a persons cognition.

For cannabis and other drugs this is not true. They have a high and debilitating effect on the users cognition and exist on the black market with no set and tested manufacturing process. This increases an already foolish persons risk.

A 2002 report by the British Lung Foundation estimated that three to four cannabis cigarettes a day were associated with the same amount of damage to the lungs as 20 or more tobacco cigarettes a day.

@drunkmonkey: are you really a tool? or are just trying to annoy people?

kryogen

freedom and choice is an illusion tbh

but i do agree that we need to have a set group of rules to live by, general society rules, if the majority agree then we should follow that rule

thats the illusion of democracy

drunkmonkey

SuperSean11 wrote: »

Rules a great what would be life without rules. We wouldnt get anything done.

What is it were supposed to be doing?

Dudess

ec18 wrote: »

@drunkmonkey: are you really a tool? or are just trying to annoy people?

[Abe Simpson]Aaah... a little from column A, a little from column B[/Abe Simpson]

ec18

Dudess wrote: »

[Abe Simpson]Aaah... a little from column A, a little from column B[/Abe Simpson]

lol

drunkmonkey

ec18 wrote: »

@drunkmonkey: are you really a tool? or are just trying to annoy people?

i've got a sneaking suspicion your the one who annoys people when you bust up there partys......I never had a pop at any garda in either thread, all I said was that the Garda aren't Chemical Brothers fans and don't like music over 120bpm, I was trying to add some light comedy before everyone and his uncle decided to jump on my back....

This post is about freedom, if you've got a problem with that go sling your hook in another thread.......

ec18

drunkmonkey wrote: »

i've got a sneaking suspicion your the one who annoys people when you bust up there partys......I never had a pop at any garda in either thread, all I said was that the Garda aren't Chemical Brothers fans and don't like music over 120bpm, I was trying to add some light comedy before everyone and his uncle decided to jump on my back....

This post is about freedom, if you've got a problem with that go sling your hook in another thread.......

sorry but when did i say anything bout busting up parties. I've no problem with fast music or late night parties as long as they don't force me to listen to the music at the 4 in the morning.

You want no laws or rules. But then you don't. So really what you want is a place where you can do drugs, listen to fast music and act like a general asshole. Yes?

Sully

But there is no freedom, and you agreed there is no freedom (well, you cant seem to make up your mind). Every argument put forward has failed. Your making a tool out of yourself, and you should give up.

Just to clarify, I gave the title what it is based on the OPs attitude I felt it fitted perfectly.

drunkmonkey

ec18 wrote: »

So really what you want is a place where you can do drugs, listen to fast music and act like a general asshole. Yes?

So everyone who listens to fast music and takes drugs is being an asshole. Yes?

jesus_thats_gre

drunkmonkey wrote: »

This post is about freedom, if you've got a problem with that go sling your hook in another thread.......

So we don't have the freedom to disagree with you and post on this thread?

drunkmonkey

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

So we don't have the freedom to disagree with you and post on this thread?

Of course you have the freedom to disagree, Sully also has the power to split a thread and try and set me up for a fall...

see original thread to see how this all came about...

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055347976

ec18

drunkmonkey wrote: »

So everyone who listens to fast music and takes drugs is being an asshole. Yes?

no just you. This attitude you have that you are some how above what is agreed conduct for society and it's ok as long as you get away with it. You really come across as a selfish asshole. Who's only expectation in life is to get out of his mind at raves and party all night. Great idea i'm sure a lot of people would love to be able to do that. But in what we call the real world (you do know where that is don't you?) only millionaires and other rich people can do that? (do you happen to be rich?)

You know what's wrong with a broken needle?

Like you it's missing the point

Dudess

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Of course you have the freedom to disagree, Sully also has the power to split a thread and try and set me up for a fall...

see original thread to see how this all came about...

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055347976

"Set you up for a fall"? Please get off the internet...

Sully

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Yes and a load more people died from lung cancer but you don't see the Garda raiding centra shops...

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Of course you have the freedom to disagree, Sully also has the power to split a thread and try and set me up for a fall...

see original thread to see how this all came about...

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055347976

I split our conversation (from start to finish). The rest of the topic has little to do with your views, it just sheds light as to why you even started the conversation.

I don't need to set you up for a fall - you do that all by yourself just fine without me!

FruitLover

Sully, you sound like the kind of person whose idea of a good Saturday night is staying in and playing Risk all night with the computer club.

(Of course, Dungeons and Dragons probably gets the occasional dust-off too. Mind those 10-sided dice in your pocket protector!).