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Changing car - but for what?
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25-07-2008 10:50pm#1
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I would have thought the obvious one that you would have chosen would be a 118D ?
cheap tax
economical
reliable
nice to drive on a journey
hold value
etc.
etc.
Just a thought
Well vectra got there before me but theses are my thoughts exactly. The 120d is also an option but I would really see the point as you losing out on MPG and paying more tax.
Anyway looking at it this way:
118d:
Reliable - Yes
Resistant to depreciation - It a BMW
Some way able to move - Decent enough
Well equipped - Specs aren't to shabby
In band B or band A for tax(which means good on mpg obviously) - Band A but the figure of 60mpg is suppose to be a good bit off
Manual - Dont buy the auto
New(as in delivery for Jan 09) - ...
Suitable for long drives - "Sheer Driving..."
Safe - 5 star NCAP
120d:
As above except it falls into band B, it moves marginally better and MPG is less etc.
Sure you know all of this anyway!
Some others to consider: Mazda 3, Seat Toledo or Seat Leon. The civic seems like a good choice too.0 -
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I can't see the Tiida being resistant to depreciation at all. Diesel Civic would be my choice here too, but then I do drive a Civic myself, albeit a petrol one
My back seat passengers always comment on how much more spacious its interior is compared to larger cars. I believe climate control is standard across the Civic range too. Most spec levels have lots of kit besides the absolute cheapest ones - although I think poverty spec is only available in the 1.4 petrols. You'll notice them by their awful plastic wheel trims, lack of the fancy exhausts on the back and lack of front fogs - unless someone had them added aftermarket.0 -
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The number of people recommending a BMW 1-series is kinda funny. Great cars with good CO2 and all but I'm not sure BMW is the answer to EVERY buying advice question!
It just confirms my suspicions that a disproportionate percentage of this board is made up of the south Dublin demographic! Anyway AFAIk they're falling out of bed on s/h values...
Hey hold on a minute how dare.....:P
Personally I wouldn't go near a 1 series, I think they're fugly.
My reasons for suggesting it was due to the fact that I couldn't find to many cars in Band A that hit 60 in under 10 seconds (I was using the civic as a benchmark). It also returns very good MPG. I couldn't find to many reliability issues with them either. I was guessing that of the requirements the OP listed that these things were priority.
E92 I think the civic is a good bet, my question is why not?
Also if you had the requirements listed by priority people might give you a more realistic suggestions 0 -
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Thank you to all those who are contributing positively to this thread.Brand new well specced 5 door diesel Focus? Would come in the mid 20 grand region.
Took a rental one across the mountains in Norway, was well impressed.
Yup, that is one of the possibilities. The 1.8 TDCi should have enough go as well. Realistically the car would have to be as fast as that at the very least. However driving dynamics are not important, and I feel that that is what the Focus is best at. For comfort, ride quality etc apparently it's not the best car out there. I would be of the opinion that the 110 bhp PSA diesel would be a much better bet except Ford don't offer it here. The 1.8's engine is derived from no less than the Mk3 Escort 1.6 diesel believe it or not, so it is basically an engine that's a quarter of a century old(albeit heavily modified):eek:.
Badge not important. I'd be more concerned about the depreciation because they're Korean, rather than say German or Japanese. It hasn't gone unnoticed by me that the i30 and Cee'd have gotten good reviews.Kia Ce'ed has gotten great reviews. Looks sharp too. The only thing it has going against it is badge unfortunately.
Honest John has lots of good things to say about the i30 too: http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/road_tests/?id=284
It also didn't go unnoticed that Hyundai and Kia didn't pass on all the VRT savings either. I don't think they're quite the value for money products they're supposed to be.The number of people recommending a BMW 1-series is kinda funny. Great cars with good CO2 and all but I'm not sure BMW is the answer to EVERY buying advice question!
And you can't even blame me for this one:p!
BMW make some amazing cars; I must confess I've grown to loving our E60 520d at home(though I'd much prefer a petrol 6 pot), my own E34 is still a nicer car to be in than many new cars, and the E39 is quite literally a work of art.
But, the 1 series has no space in the back, looks ugly, doesn't ride well, and most of all is not good value for money. If ever there was an example of paying more simply for a badge, this is it. No air con or alloy wheels in a €30k car is simply not good enough. The 123d has what's reported to be a most extraordinary engine, but at €40k it's only €6k cheaper than the 520d which only loses out on 27 bhp, and even manages to be more economical too. The car's best feature, driving dynamics is not at all important to my mother, so what's the point of it for her?New Nissan Tiida 1.5 Diesel...
-reliable
Nissan = Renault = not reliable. My parents who are not into cars at all have fairly set views on things, so it's no good trying to convince them that Renaults work, given that anyone they knew that had a Renault just so happened to have a Laguna II, and surprise surprise they all went wrong. That and all the other criticisms of the car that other posters mentioned.Diesel Civic would be my choice here too, but then I do drive a Civic myself, albeit a petrol oneI still reckon A3 Sportback (ie 5-dr) 1.4 TFSI 122bhp. Comes in at about the same price as a Civic diesel.
As I said in my OP, I think the Civic diesel would be the best bet - certainly it's the car I've been suggesting to them. I love the look of the hatchback model anyway. I heard they're not great to drive since they ditched the independent rear suspension but that doesn't matter for her, and the i-CTDi's 0-100 in 8.5 seconds is as good as our 520d:)!
The A3 Sportback 1.4 TFSI is only in band B if it has the DSG box.
The 2.0 TDI manages band B though, so that is very much a possibility. Obviously the 1.9 TDI is being ignored(car has to be quiet).True.. hadn't thought of the Golf 1.4 122bhp... the Audi is sharper looking but the Golf is cheaper.
The A3 has lower CO2 model for model than the Golf, which means in a lot of cases it's only a small bit dearer to buy but with lower road tax, that combined with the Audi badge means it'll be far better for depreciation IMO. You'll be getting as nicer interior and exterior too.My reasons for suggesting it was due to the fact that I couldn't find to many cars in Band A that hit 60 in under 10 seconds (I was using the civic as a benchmark). It also returns very good MPG. I couldn't find to many reliability issues with them either. I was guessing that of the requirements the OP listed that these things were priority.
E92 I think the civic is a good bet, my question is why not?
Also if you had the requirements listed by priority people might give you a more realistic suggestions
Car does not have to be band A;). It can be A or B, which is perfectly understandable since we have a band B executive saloon at home that does 0-100 in 8.4 seconds and does 231 km/h. It hardly makes sense to have a smaller car that is less energy efficient than our 520d;).
The Civic will be getting serious consideration alright. It might even be the winner.
Though I'd be concerned about the reliability of both the Golf and A3. Neither are exactly a shining example of German quality and reliability tbh.
Surprised that only one person has suggested the Volvo S40 2.0D(or even the 1.6D) and Opel Astra I must say.0 -
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Driving dynamics are not important at all(so no pesudo hot hatches with diesel engines or hot hatches full stop please). Neither is price(for the moment) but it must be good value for money.
What are your suggestions?Octavia VRS TDi
"Does exactly what it says on the tin!"
What did I say in my OP:p?
Well in fairness we did only have 2 out of 36 posts with a car featured on something like 44% of all Motors threads:D!
Anyway the Octavia vRS TDI is in band D, way out side my requirement for either band A or B!0 -
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What did I say in my OP:p?
Well in fairness we did only have 2 out of 36 posts with a car featured on something like 44% of all Motors threads:D!
Anyway the Octavia vRS TDI is in band D, way out side my requirement for either band A or B!
I thought the VRS TDi was band C ?28,925 RS2.0ltr TDI 6-Speed Manual 125kW/170bhp CO2 g/km150 Tax=€290
I honestly think you would be hard pushed to get a car of better spec etc. for similar money.
But then again.. Every man for himself :cool:0 -
I thought the VRS TDi was band C ?
I honestly think you would be hard pushed to get a car of better spec etc. for similar money.
But then again.. Every man for himself :cool:
+1.Get it in white and its great looking too:D.I would think that its performance credentials mean it would hold its value as well as the honda.Probably more standard equipments too.It really is a special car to spend time in for that money0 -
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Skodas don't hold their value well. Besides we don't want a hot hatch(or a pretend hot hatch, which is what the Octavia vRS TDI, like any diesel "hot hatch" is). Hot hatches are less comfy are more driver focused than normal cars, which are things I appreciate, but it's my mum that's buying the car and what she wants is something than can move but does not value driving dynamics at all, so obviously the added noise and reduced comfort of hot hatches holds zero appeal to her.
I know that the Audi A3 is dearer than the Skoda, OK it has 30 bhp less and less standard equipment to boot but that Audi badge will be worth its weight in gold come resale time, that and the fact that the A3 is half the price to tax as well despite being built on the same platform. It is a way nicer car inside too IMO.
My apologies for saying the Skoda was in band D:o, it certainly was a few months ago, but no matter.
If an E segment car can have 177 bhp and do 0-100 in 8.5 seconds yet still be in band B they why should a C segment car with an engine of similar size and power cost more to tax?
I'm still struggling to think of a car better than the Civic i-CTDi though.0 -
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+1.Get it in white and its great looking too:D.I would think that its performance credentials mean it would hold its value as well as the honda.Probably more standard equipments too.It really is a special car to spend time in for that money
Agreed on everything..
But for me it would simply have to be "Race Blue" 0 -
-have 4 or 5 doors(but not an estate)
but it must be good value for money.
I know you are going to say NO straight up. BUT
seeing as it will be your Mum ( Mainly ) that will drive this. would you not consider taking her to your nearest SEAT dealer and get her to Test drive the same as I bought this year?
Cordoba 1.4 TDI s.. plenty of "Poke" for her if she needs it.
Reliable
Cheap to run.. >> { I get near 800 Kms to the tank mainly around town driving and giving it welly when needed }
Cheap on Tax.
Comfortable
not much over €17k to buy new so to be honest, you could afford to take a drop when trading again.
Just a thought.
But,
Like I say,
"Dont knock it till you try it" 0 -
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