What's ye'r opinion on Dance music?

Standman

I'm referring to any type of dance music with a 4/4 beat.

I'd like to know what ye think of it and yer reasons why if ye get the chance.

ZakAttak

Its was bleedin' rapid back in the day! Nowadays its just alot of good classic funk songs being butchered.

Dance music was deadly when it was mental (Early Prodigy, old school rave etc.), but along came all these losers who turned it in to lounge music.

Melion

The dance music you hear in clubs is just awful tripe. Its rare to hear a good dance track in a nightclub anymore, i swear if i hear Scooter or Basshunter one more time there's a good chance im gonna strangle a DJ.

Heisenberg.

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fitz0

Personally I can't stand it. But it has it's place. It's ok in nightclubs (Id prefer decent music but what can you do? Theres only one nightclub in my town) The one thing I cant stand at all is the boyracers who drive around with their cars scraping the ground pumping out dance music through sh*tty car stereos that cant handle the sound.

DenMan

I hate it, don't like it at all. The worst form of drivel I can honestly say is dance music, similar beats and percussions. No time for it whatsoever. The only problem is that it is everywhere.

ZakAttak

Its risky territory criticising dance music for sounding all the same. Is there really a great deal of difference between Green day and The Offspring? Do Silverchair and Nirvana sound almost uncannily similar? The same thing happens in rock.

The secret to dance music is to make it mental- if you've a big heap of fancy synthesisers and modern equipment then bloody well use it! don't just sample a james brown bassline and pour a bit of keyboards on top.

But this isn't done anymore.

Ever hear electronic 'chill-out' music? Its like watching sh1t drop.

Howard the Duck

"Dance" Music doesn;t make me wanna dance.... and there's not much i like better then dancing. If you've ever seen one crazy bloke on the dance floor by himself ..that was probably me.

Standman

I was at the radiohead concert in malahide there recently and the crowd was pretty subdued during for most of the gig, I mean there was very little pushing around and there was plenty of space even close to the stage, the dancing was pretty subdued and it was all very civilised. But I noticed that the song that everyone went crazy for was at the very end when they played Idiotech, a very elctronic based song that they played with the familiar 4/4 bass drum beat that is synonymous with dance music. I think it would be safe enough to say that most radiohead fans wouldn't spit on dance music from the likes of Tiesto and Paul van Dyke, but I thought it was funny that the song they all went mad to was in essence a dance track very similar to some produced buy these artists.

ntlbell

Standman wrote: »

I think it would be safe enough to say that most radiohead fans wouldn't spit on dance music from the likes of Tiesto and Paul van Dyke, but I thought it was funny that the song they all went mad to was in essence a dance track very similar to some produced buy these artists.

The only safe thing to say is it's pretty retarded to make sweeping generalisations about the musical taste of millions of people around the globe based on their liking of one band.

Standman

Ok, so it's not safe to say that most radiohead fans wouldn't spit on the mentioned types of dance music? That's fine then, but there's no need for the name-calling.

ntlbell

Standman wrote: »

Ok, so it's not safe to say that most radiohead fans wouldn't spit on the mentioned types of dance music? That's fine then, but there's no need for the name-calling.

First you state all 4/4 then you name two producers.

I love Radiohead, I love all sorts of "dance music" I don't think much of the two producers you named.

But I don't understand how you can say all radiohead's fan's don't like dance music?

It's a bizzare statement based on millions of people you have never met!

Radiohead fans *I* know tend to appreciate all forms of music and don't just put something under a silly label and then write of a ton of genre's based on it.

It's called being narrow/closed minded and an awful trait for a music fan to possess

Standman

ntlbell wrote: »

First you state all 4/4 then you name two producers.

I love Radiohead, I love all sorts of "dance music" I don't think much of the two producers you named.

But I don't understand how you can say all radiohead's fan's don't like dance music?

It's a bizzare statement based on millions of people you have never met!

Radiohead fans *I* know tend to appreciate all forms of music and don't just put something under a silly label and then write of a ton of genre's based on it.

It's called being narrow/closed minded and an awful trait for a music fan to possess

Whoa now, relax! I'm not sure why you're being so aggressive, I'm not trying to attack anybody here.

I'm saying this from my point of view, and I personally do not know any radiohead fans who also like the mentioned types of dance music. Does this mean that all radiohead fans are the same? No, but then I never said that. Maybe you should read things more carefully before you start jumping down peoples throat's about it.

ntlbell

Standman wrote: »

Whoa now, relax! I'm not sure why you're being so aggressive, I'm not trying to attack anybody here.

I'm saying this from my point of view, and I personally do not know any radiohead fans who also like the mentioned types of dance music. Does this mean that all radiohead fans are the same? No, but then I never said that. Maybe you should read things more carefully before you start jumping down peoples throat's about it.

What type of dance music? you haven't named any?

What are we talking?

Goa trance? minimal techno? can you narrow it down even a tad? or are we just throwing out two pretty bad producers as a baseline?

You said _most_ radiohead fans / you don't know nor haven't met 1% of them, so it's still a pretty silly statment.

FruitLover

WTF is "Dance music"? Are you talking about electronic music? Bit of a sweeping term there. You might as well ask people do they like 'guitar music'.

Standman

ntlbell wrote: »

What type of dance music? you haven't named any?

What are we talking?

Goa trance? minimal techno? can you narrow it down even a tad? or are we just throwing out two pretty bad producers as a baseline?

You said _most_ radiohead fans / you don't know nor haven't met 1% of them, so it's still a pretty silly statment.

Oh, so they're just "two pretty bad producers"? So you know better than the hundreds of thousands of people who voted Paul van Dyke number one dj in the world last year and have voted Tiesto number one 3 times? Sorry, who's being close minded now?

Your point is taken, I agree I don't even know one per-cent of the radiohead fans in the world. I thought it would be safe to say that for the most part, fans of radiohead's music wouldn't be fans of the two biggest producers in dance music. You say I am wrong to say that, that's fine! I only mentioned it as a side note, the reason I started this thread was because I genuinely want to find out what people think of dance music because I get the impression it is looked down on by a lot of people.

Standman

FruitLover wrote: »

WTF is "Dance music"? Are you talking about electronic music? Bit of a sweeping term there. You might as well ask people do they like 'guitar music'.

As I said in the very first post, any type of electronic music with a 4/4 beat.

Nolanger

Dance music is dead - it's splintered into too many sub-genres and most kids today prefer rock. The only reason it broke through back in the late '80s was because mainstream music back then was sh**e.

Davei141

Nolanger wrote: »

Dance music is dead - it's splintered into too many sub-genres...

Oh jesus, and how many sub-genres does metal have? Industrial/black/heavy/power/viking/death/prog/sludge/doom/gothic/folk/metal-core/thrash the lost is endless. Is metal dead?

fitz0

Davei141 wrote: »

Is metal dead?

Sadly, no.

Scubadevils

Rave to the grave :pac:

ntlbell

Standman wrote: »

Oh, so they're just "two pretty bad producers"? So you know better than the hundreds of thousands of people who voted Paul van Dyke number one dj in the world last year and have voted Tiesto number one 3 times? Sorry, who's being close minded now?

I didn't mention anything about their talents as DJ's, I said "producers"

Music production and mixing _someone_elses_ music are worlds apart.

I'm sure Boy George was voted many things for being a DJ I'm not sure it relates to _this_ tho see the difference?

Standman wrote:

Your point is taken, I agree I don't even know one per-cent of the radiohead fans in the world. I thought it would be safe to say that for the most part, fans of radiohead's music wouldn't be fans of the two biggest producers in dance music. You say I am wrong to say that, that's fine! I only mentioned it as a side note, the reason I started this thread was because I genuinely want to find out what people think of dance music because I get the impression it is looked down on by a lot of people.

I'm glad you now see the errors of your ways. I'm sure dance music is "looked down" on by many people the world is full of retards who will dismiss types of music for retarded reasons (not saying your one of them) but we can't help what our ears like or what makes us "shuffle" so at the end of the day it's all a bit pointless..

great thread.

Zaph

Dance music itself is bad enough, repetitive nonsense that's offensive to my ears, but it's the bastardising of classic songs that really gets on my wick. It makes me jump to the conclusion, rightly or wrongly, that many dance music artists are nothing more than talentless plagiarists.

DenMan

fitz0 wrote: »

Sadly, no.

Oi!!! None of that now. Any more dissing of metal music and it's the penalty box for you!!!

Nailz

Felixdhc wrote: »

Rave to the grave :pac:

Fùcking yes lad!!!!

But IMO Dance music is music that makes you dance, simple as, it doesn't have to be electronic! As Bernard Sumner (Guitarist of Joy Division Guitar/Singer of New Order) said in '24 Hour Party People' the song "TART TART" by Happy Mondays was dance music as it was able to make you move to the rythum of the guitar. Here's that song;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sFUGmENU-M

FruitLover

Standman wrote: »

As I said in the very first post, any type of electronic music with a 4/4 beat.

This is a huge range of music styles, and should't be lumped under one term (much less an archaic one such as 'dance'). Whenever I hear someone talking about "dance music", I take it as a sign that they don't know much about electronic music. To reiterate my previous analogy, you'd probably find it ridiculous to hear someone refer to "guitar music" (another term that covers a huge range of individual, vastly varying styles).

Standman wrote: »

So you know better than the hundreds of thousands of people who voted Paul van Dyke number one dj in the world last year and have voted Tiesto number one 3 times?

Britney Spears has millions of fans. This is not a quantifier of her talent, only of record companies' marketing skills. Same with PVD and Tiesto.

Zaph, nice troll.

fitz0

DenMan wrote: »

Oi!!! None of that now. Any more dissing of metal music and it's the penalty box for you!!!

Metal music is ... bad. Oh yes. I went there.

fitz0

Zaph wrote: »

Dance music itself is bad enough, repetitive nonsense that's offensive to my ears, but it's the bastardising of classic songs that really gets on my wick. It makes me jump to the conclusion, rightly or wrongly, that many dance music artists are nothing more than talentless plagiarists.

+1 I despise all these terrible remixes. They're an assault on good music and our ears. One of the worst ones Ive heard is teh Fields of Athenry dance remix. I mean come on the song was never meant to be a dance tune, be original for once and come up with your own stuff (and before anyone says it, I am not saying ALL djs are unoriginal, Im directing this at the ones who got well known through remixes)
And Zaphs post can hardly be called trolling, its his opinion and this thread asked for opinions.

Zaph

FruitLover wrote: »

Zaph, nice troll.

In all the time I've posted on Boards this is the first time I've ever been accused of trolling. It is not an activity that I would ever lower myself to engage in. An opinion was sought by the OP and I gave mine, if you don't like it then that's your problem. If you can't tell the difference between an opinion and trolling then I suggest you sit this one out and let the adults have a discussion in peace among themselves.

Standman

Zaph wrote: »

In all the time I've posted on Boards this is the first time I've ever been accused of trolling. It is not an activity that I would ever lower myself to engage in. An opinion was sought by the OP and I gave mine, if you don't like it then that's your problem. If you can't tell the difference between an opinion and trolling then I suggest you sit this one out and let the adults have a discussion in peace among themselves.

Exactly!

Scubadevils

Criticising peoples taste in anything will naturally rise them and a thread like this is quite likely to provoke. I for one love music in general and electronic music is a large part of that in its many forms... starting with the likes of New Order from the 80's right up to dub techno today with many varities in between.

It is annoying to read narrow minded opinions formed from people who haven't a clue about a genre of music yet decide based on poor chart music that an entire genre is rubbish. So I hear a few bad rock songs on the radio, does this mean rock is cr*p and without talent? :rolleyes:

latenia

It's lost its way completely over the last few years but for 5 or 6 years in the mid to late 90s dance music was the most creative, original and vital music around. You won't find these in any Q magazine-style best-of lists (or near the top anyway) but of the 10 best albums of that decade I'd say at least 5 were dance/electronic.

Aphex Twin-Selected Ambient Works 85-92
Orbital-Snivilisation
LFO-Frequencies
LTJ Bukem presents Logical Progression
Massive Attack-Blue Lines
T-Power-Self Evident Truth of an Intuitive Mind
Underworld-Dubnobasswithmyheadman
The Prodigy-Music for the Jilted Generation

These albums changed music while rock was running around in Union Jacks ripping off the Beatles.

Davei141

Felixdhc wrote: »

Criticising peoples taste in anything will naturally rise them and a thread like this is quite likely to provoke. I for one love music in general and electronic music is a large part of that in its many forms... starting with the likes of New Order from the 80's right up to dub techno today with many varities in between.

It is annoying to read narrow minded opinions formed from people who haven't a clue about a genre of music yet decide based on poor chart music that an entire genre is rubbish. So I hear a few bad rock songs on the radio, does this mean rock is cr*p and without talent? :rolleyes:

Exactly, whenever somebody says it "repetitive ****e" and "its all the same" when talking about such a big genre. I just think their opinion aint worth ****.

Xavi6

Dance music peaked in the year 2000 with Mark McCabe. It hasn't quite recovered since unfortunately.

latenia

Xavi6 wrote: »

Dance music peaked in the year 2000 with Mark McCabe. It hasn't quite recovered since unfortunately.

Oasis (whom I see you like from another thread) peaked in 1994.

Xavi6

And your point? This is the thread on dance music so I'll stay on topic thanks.

Affable

I'm no expert on Dance music, know **** all about it tbh but it's a totally valid art form and just cos music is electronically produced doesnt mean it cant move you.

Placid_Casual

I have to laugh when I see people saying dance music is crap, and then using a techno version of The Fields of Athenry as evidence - well, obviously, that's crap!
I'm not a big dance music fan generally but a couple of my favourite bands at the moment could be classified as dance - Hot Chip and LCD Soundsystem. I'm also partial to a bit of The Chemical Brothers. These acts are a million miles away from the commercial nonsense that some posters are using as a stick to beat dance with.
And there's plenty of Indie/Alt acts that have been influenced by dance/electronica - Super Furry Animals, MGMT, even Radiohead as pointed out. There's also people who have made music in both genres under different names - Soulwax/2 Many DJs, Doves/SubSub.
Good music transcends genres.

Standman

I think maybe the reason why some people say dance music is crap is because really crap dance music, like the fields of athenry one and others, actually get played in nightclubs and are popular to some degree. I can't imagine a rock song that crap getting any airtime, fair enough if it happens once or twice, but it seems crappy dance songs do have an audience. I'm not saying that this audience is stupid. This form of music does it's job and I wouldn't criticise anyone for enjoying it unless they said it had some kind of musical genius behind it!

I think this also adds to the idea some people have that dance music fans have no musical sense and are worthy of ridicule. I think it would be healthy to differentiate between the commercial, unimaginative style and dance music that has some depth to it. I think that the term "dance music" is now meaningless and we would be better off without it, I only use it for the sake of this thread.

Nailz

Dance music peaked in 1989.

ntlbell

Standman wrote: »

I think this also adds to the idea some people have that dance music fans have no musical sense and are worthy of ridicule. I think it would be healthy to differentiate between the commercial, unimaginative style and dance music that has some depth to it. I think that the term "dance music" is now meaningless and we would be better off without it, I only use it for the sake of this thread.

It's a pitty you hadn't worked all this out before starting the thread

Standman

ntlbell wrote: »

It's a pitty you hadn't worked all this out before starting the thread

Why?

Tragamin2k2

I think some people need to open their minds to electronic music. It shouldent be all catagorized into the one "dance music" thing and ya get people sayin "ugh i hate dance music".

The problem with one big catagory is that alot of the popular "dance" artists are a pile of useless talentless fools. Speeding up an old song and putting a 4/4 heavy beat to it is to get to a target audience of 12 year olds. Not people that actually respect music

There is some very talented folk in the electronic world. I could start naming but id be here for awhile

rororoyourboat

I'm not a huge dance music fan, but I'm pretty open-minded and decent dance music can be amazing. I think anything that pushes boundaries and makes you want to go out and dance is well worth a listen! I think stuff like LCD Soundsystem and Hot Chip are where dance music is headed in the future. A return to using real instruments and live bands, instead of one guy with a computer.

Nailz

Talentless?? It depends... Basshunter, Scooter (and other such forms of Euro-scum) are utterly talentless and crap. But, Aphex Twin, for one example is a very experimental talented man, some of the stuff he does with his music it unreal! But in all fairness, he is not really a dance artist, his music more so hits the barriers of an Avent-Guard style. I suppose more suitable examples of "Dance" would be such artists as Pendulum, 808 State, Daft Punk, FSOL (CSOM), Gerald Simpson, Xpander, Audio Bully, Underworld and maybe Faithless (depending on your opinion).

Tragamin2k2

Nailz wrote: »

Talentless?? It depends... Basshunter, Scooter (and other such forms of Euro-scum) are utterly talentless and crap. But, Aphex Twin, for one example is a very experimental talented man, some of the stuff he does with his music it unreal! But in all fairness, he is not really a dance artist, his music more so hits the barriers of an Avent-Guard style. I suppose more suitable examples of "Dance" would be such artists as Pendulum, 808 State, Daft Punk, FSOL (CSOM), Gerald Simpson, Xpander, Audio Bully, Underworld and maybe Faithless (depending on your opinion).

Exactly. Theres a fine line between basshunter/dj cammy and say daft punk/boys noize.

And i think aphex is almost his own genre heh. Saw him at that festival awhile ago...bizarre stuff

ntlbell

Standman wrote: »

Why?

So you wouldn't have used meaningless terminology which would of prevented a meaningless thread ?

fairly straightforward like

dr.bollocko

All me mates are mad fer it.
From some of them liking the mainstream stuff, chem bros, prodigy daft punk and all that.
All that stuff just sounds like party music for girls to do their make up to to me.
And then there is the serious stuff. The *insert stupid adjective* *Insert inanimate object* music.
Minimal techno
acid house
scouse house
handbag house
smelly garage.
dirty saucepanlid.
It all just sounds like the CD is skipping to me.

I have tried I really have. I just do not like it, and do not see why it merits such a mainstream audience, play in all clubs, taking over the radio every sat night, and fecking "choons" banging out of every car.

Give me a little classic rock instead please.

dasdog

latenia wrote: »

Aphex Twin-Selected Ambient Works 85-92
Orbital-Snivilisation
LFO-Frequencies
LTJ Bukem presents Logical Progression
Massive Attack-Blue Lines
T-Power-Self Evident Truth of an Intuitive Mind
Underworld-Dubnobasswithmyheadman
The Prodigy-Music for the Jilted Generation

These albums changed music while rock was running around in Union Jacks ripping off the Beatles.

Some great albums there. Logical Progression really changed the way I thought about and composed electronic stuff. Favourable mention to Photek also. Some of the 4/4 stuff does sound dated now but if you haven't heard Eat Static they are well worth investigating (check out 'Implant'). I saw them headline Dance Valley in Holland in '96 - awesome.

HalloweenJack

I like some dance like Basement Jaxx but then there's some terrible stuff like Tiesto and Scooter.

I'm divided for an overall opinion.

Standman

ntlbell wrote: »

... great thread.

I must have missed the sarcasm.