Northside gets its first Mosque on Talbot Street

darkman2 · 23-07-2008 2:51pm #1

Its good that the Northside is getting a new Mosque but is Talbot Street the right place?

Herald.ie

City centre mosque to go ahead despite objections
By Kevin Doyle

Monday July 21 2008

PERMISSION has been granted for a controversial mosque in Dublin city centre.

An Bord Pleanala has cleared the way for the conversion of the three upper floors of two buildings on Talbot Street into the first inner-city mosque.

However, the decision is likely to be met with disdain from a number of local businesses who objected to the development.

The Anwar-E-Madina mosque is the first to be located on the northside of Dublin, according to worshippers.

It opened last Thursday, after receipt of permission from the planning board, but it will not be permitted to broadcast prayers. The protracted planning process seemed to have been completed when Dublin City Council granted planning permission last December. However, neighbouring businesses appealed that decision to An Bord Pleanala.

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Their argument was that a busy commercial street was not suitable for a mosque.

It is situated on the upper three floors of numbers 8 and 9 Talbot Street which backs onto the Department of Education buildings on Marlborough Street.

The ground floor of number eight is occupied by the Rayhoon Italian restaurant, while number nine is home to Lagan Furniture on its ground floor.

The upper floors had remained vacant since 2006, before which they had been used for various non-retail commercial purposes.

Objections to the mosque were made by the owners of Langan Furniture, Rayhoon and the neighbouring discount store Euro Shop.

Ray Ferris, owner of Euro Shop, claimed the mosque "will cause damage on my business and also would reduce my customers". He said it would "not be a great idea" for other retailers, given that it was a commercial street.

Keumars Zolfaghari of Rayhoon cited the same reasons in his objection.

Tony Langan, of Langan Furniture, said there could be "up to 250 people outside my door or the front of my shop while they are waiting or coming from the mosque". However, the developers of the mosque had the Minister of State with responsibility for integration, Conor Lenihan, on their side.

He made a representation in favour of the mosque, saying it would only be particularly busy on Friday nights, and that most people would arrive by bus or on foot.

- Kevin Doyle

Im not sure this is appropriate on a main busy shopping street? The again maybe you could argue there are plenty of churches on busy shopping streets so why not Mosques aswell? However I feel this is Dublin going down the regional UK city route with regard to citing mosques in prominent locations like shopping areas. What do you think?

lostexpectation · 23-07-2008 4:29pm

the rooms above shops are rarely used, might as well have it there

berliner · 23-07-2008 4:41pm

I bet Christians wouldn't be afforded the same privilege on Grafton Street.This is pure pandering to Muslims.Nobody would dare to be less than PC by refusing them.

lostexpectation · 23-07-2008 4:47pm

oh it you again, tablot street is not grafton street

berliner · 23-07-2008 4:49pm

lostexpectation wrote: »

oh it you again, tablot street is not grafton street

Wow! i never realised that.How stupid of me.And yes,it's me again.

mikemac · 23-07-2008 4:53pm

Won’t there be an issue of them coming and going all day every day?
Yes, it’s a commercial street so there are thousands of people around but I’m thinking of a queue of 100 plus queuing on the street so as to attend morning, afternoon and evening prayer. (think there are 5 sessions afaik)

I’m see there aren’t using loudspeakers or broadcasting onto the street which is good I suppose

darkman2 · 23-07-2008 4:59pm

micmclo wrote: »

Won’t there be an issue of them coming and going all day every day?
Yes, it’s a commercial street so there are thousands of people around but I’m thinking of a queue of 100 plus queuing on the street so as to attend morning, afternoon and evening prayer. (think there are 5 sessions afaik)

I’m see there aren’t using loudspeakers or broadcasting onto the street which is good I suppose

The other problem I forsee is that that area tends to be frequented by people from the likes of the former Sheriff street area and places like that. Not the most enlightened of folks you will see down there so id be worried about the implications of that. I think its situated in an area that could lead to tensions. I dont think this has been fully thought through tbh. Then again many Northside areas are like that anyway. If its not put there then where else?

gurramok · 23-07-2008 5:13pm

darkman2 wrote: »

The other problem I forsee is that that area tends to be frequented by people from the likes of the former Sheriff street area and places like that. Not the most enlightened of folks you will see down there so id be worried about the implications of that. I think its situated in an area that could lead to tensions. I dont think this has been fully thought through tbh. Then again many Northside areas are like that anyway. If its not put there then where else?

Nice generalisation there of the northside:eek:.

They could always have a few prayer meetings down Pearse st way

Why not have the mosque in the IFSC?

darkman2 · 23-07-2008 5:27pm

gurramok wrote: »

Nice generalisation there of the northside:eek:.

Dont worry - I was born on the Northside, grew up on the Northside, and kinda live on the Northside so im in posistion to generalise.;)

BendiBus · 23-07-2008 6:50pm

darkman2 wrote: »

The other problem I forsee is that that area tends to be frequented by people from the likes of the former Sheriff street area and places like that.

Is that a racist comment?

Talbot St. is also frequented by large numbers of muslims.

I bet Christians wouldn't be afforded the same privilege on Grafton Street.This is pure pandering to Muslims.Nobody would dare to be less than PC by refusing them.

There IS a big church just off Grafton St. And a great big ****ing cathedral just around the corner from Talbot St. How about that for pandering? :rolleyes:

Yes, it’s a commercial street so there are thousands of people around but I’m thinking of a queue of 100 plus queuing on the street so as to attend morning, afternoon and evening prayer. (think there are 5 sessions afaik)

After which they can go shopping in Lagan Furniture & Mr Ferris's Euro Shop. (If I was to object to anything on Talbot St, it would be crappy euro shops :rolleyes: )

Tha Gopher · 23-07-2008 6:59pm

Politically correct people are retarded by default but jesus like, comparing Talbot and Grafton Street :P The King of Saudi himself would nearly be hard pressed to come up with the rent/buying money for a premises on Grafton.

Which is Talbot anyway, that street connecting O Connell and Gardiner St? Has a Dunnes offy on it, that one?

As for Sheriff Street, there is barely an Irish person living in any of the private apartments in that area anyway so if they want Johnny Foreigner bashing its on the doorstep.

No problem personally.

Although any Scientology joint should be razed to the ground.....

Jay D · 23-07-2008 7:18pm

darkman2 wrote: »

The other problem I forsee is that that area tends to be frequented by people from the likes of the former Sheriff street area and places like that. Not the most enlightened of folks you will see down there so id be worried about the implications of that. I think its situated in an area that could lead to tensions. I dont think this has been fully thought through tbh. Then again many Northside areas are like that anyway. If its not put there then where else?

First of all the street would have a very small percentage of people frequenting from Sheriff St. If it's the junk scum you refer to coming from all over to wheel and deal and get shelter, that's completely different. Also, not sure whether you are aware of this but this spot is actually around the corner from the Pro Cathedral, just at North Earl St which is quite a bit away from Sheriff St I'm sure you'll agree, as well as Liberty House etc.

If it's not put there, how about the NCR, would kind of make sense. Rather than have a large gathering like that on such a busy and as it is already, narrow enough st.

Victor · 23-07-2008 7:20pm

Tha Gopher wrote: »

Although any Scientology joint

Abbey Street?

Pen1987 · 23-07-2008 7:21pm

Matt Talbot wouldnt be a happy bunny. No sir, not at all.

berliner · 23-07-2008 7:26pm

The PC people love pandering to religions/races who actually despise their weak liberalism.Ironic that.

BendiBus · 23-07-2008 9:15pm

Pen1987 wrote: »

Matt Talbot wouldnt be a happy bunny. No sir, not at all.

Who cares? Talbot St was named after Charles Chetwynd, 2nd Earl Talbot, Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, 1817-21

jdivision · 23-07-2008 9:48pm

Where the mosque will be is by no means a busy shopping street, also I'm amused by this idea of people queueing to go in to the mosque. Wouldn't they just go in? I used to live a few doors from the mosque on the SCR and you didn't see queues. It's not like a Catholic church with all the people down the back and outside.

Wishbone Ash · 23-07-2008 9:52pm

Tha Gopher wrote: »

but jesus like, comparing Talbot and Grafton Street .............

..............Which is Talbot anyway, that street connecting O Connell and Gardiner St?

You have kinda undermined your initial comment by enquiring as to where Talbot Street is located.

North Earl Street would be in there between O'Connell Street and Talbot Street.

Jay D · 23-07-2008 10:31pm

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

You have kinda undermined your initial comment by enquiring as to where Talbot Street is located.

North Earl Street would be in there between O'Connell Street and Talbot Street.

ha, true true....

I think Nth Earl St is embedded in my brain from queuingto see Santy all those years ago with a big sign on the wall..... :pac:

Pen1987 · 23-07-2008 11:13pm

BendiBus wrote: »

Who cares? Talbot St was named after Charles Chetwynd, 2nd Earl Talbot, Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, 1817-21

hah... presumed it was named after the same fella as the bridge.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 24-07-2008 6:58am

Pen1987 wrote: »

Matt Talbot wouldnt be a happy bunny. No sir, not at all.

I don't think Matt Talbot ever had a moments happiness in his entire life

A Mosque in Talbot St, yea why not. We've enough Catholic churches scattered around the city for our thousends of non practicing catholics.

Just thinking, it would have made better sense to give them one of our churches.

lightening · 24-07-2008 7:45am

Mairt wrote: »

Just thinking, it would have made better sense to give them one of our churches.

Lol... Good one. I can't believe the attitude in this thread, unbelievable, naive comments.

This being the best one...

berliner wrote: »

I bet Christians wouldn't be afforded the same privilege on Grafton Street.This is pure pandering to Muslims.Nobody would dare to be less than PC by refusing them.

Classic.

berliner · 24-07-2008 3:47pm

Lightening,boring old predictable contribution from a liberal,i'm so cool and liberal .Make and argument in stead of generalities.

super_furry · 24-07-2008 3:50pm

"Der takin our jerbs!"

berliner · 24-07-2008 3:54pm

super_furry wrote: »

"Der takin our jerbs!"

You're obviously having a laugh at the uneducated people who live in council houses/flats.

Gavin · 24-07-2008 3:59pm

berliner wrote: »

The PC people love pandering to religions/races who actually despise their weak liberalism.Ironic that.

Give a real reason as to why there should not be a mosque there. Are you opposed to the building of mosques anywhere or is it just the location?

super_furry · 24-07-2008 4:00pm

berliner wrote: »

You're obviously having a laugh at the uneducated people who live in council houses/flats.

Obviously.

humberklog · 24-07-2008 4:06pm

I don't get why allowing a Mosque on Talbot st. is Faffy Liberalism. No harm, plenty of room. And this from a lousy Dublin Jew!

Once they don't crowd me outta the poker machines in Barneys or steal all the egg and chips in Boyers then I for one ain't got no beef.
But why is allowing a mosque pinky liberalism? Or have I misread a few posters ?

Telssya the call to morning prayer could shift a few pigeons and rattle a few Jaaasssintaaas!

I'm waiting for an Allahkebabrah to open down that way.

berliner · 24-07-2008 4:07pm

Verb wrote: »

Give a real reason as to why there should not be a mosque there. Are you opposed to the building of mosques anywhere or is it just the location?

Muslims get whatever they want.PC people like yourself pander to them.Christians can be laughed and and mocked(see examplers in this thread)but muslims can't be.C'mon,who's fooling who.

humberklog · 24-07-2008 4:12pm

[quote=berliner;56672649 1. but muslims can't be. 2. C'mon,who's fooling who.[/quote]
1. Yes they can.
2. I think your fooling yourself.

I notice that you quoted Verb yet didn't address the quote. Why would you do that?

lightening · 24-07-2008 4:17pm

berliner wrote: »

I bet Christians wouldn't be afforded the same privilege on Grafton Street.

How could you say such a thing. The mosque is on TOLBAT STREET!! Not GRAFTON STREET! Look at the amount of churches in the area, look at the cathedral, go in to the church on Stephens Green, listen to the bells chime throughout the day. How the hell can you begrudge a mosque on Tolbat st? What is your arguement? Where are you coming from? Don't give me this
"muslims get everything, jews get everything, look at the mosques, look at the synagogs...etc. Your all so pc" bull****e, tell me what your problem is? Can they not worship, they are paying rent, the buildings are empty...

berliner · 24-07-2008 4:20pm

humberklog wrote: »

1. Yes they can.
2. I think your fooling yourself.

I notice that you quoted Verb yet didn't address the quote. Why would you do that?

It's very un-PC to mock Muslims.They threaten to kill you if you write books they don't agree with.they also murder documentary makers,politicans who they don't agree with them. .You pander to them yet ironically they despise your weak liberalism.

Gavin · 24-07-2008 4:21pm

berliner wrote: »

Muslims get whatever they want.PC people like yourself pander to them.

You haven't presented any logical, valid argument. You label me 'PC' based on a single question where I attempt to enter debate with you, as you requested.

Make and argument in stead of generalities.

You make hypocritical generalisations in your statement:

Christians can be laughed and and mocked(see examplers in this thread)but muslims can't be

Your comments are worthless, backed up with no facts or information. Learn to debate an issue correctly and come back.

humberklog · 24-07-2008 4:25pm

berliner wrote: »

It's very un-PC to mock Muslims.They threaten to kill you if you write books they don't agree with.they also murder documentary makers,politicans who they don't agree with them. .You pander to them yet ironically they despise your weak liberalism.

What a lotta nonsense! I've only played a practical joke involving Galwegian jahova witnesses trying to pound my Muslim mate's house down. He laghed his arse off. I think you're confusing what you hear on tv with the reality of the situation. Muslim's could easily look at all Catholic's around the world and say that they all believe the pope's infallible. Now I've more cotholic mates in ireland and not one of them believes that .In fact I woke up with one the other morning and she'd no opinion on it. We had sex...I think that's not in the christian doctrine either! Go Jews!
PS The Jehovahs were raging...feck'm!
But Berliner none of that has anything to do with a mosque on talbot st.

berliner · 24-07-2008 4:26pm

My arguments are irefutable.Wake up and smell the coffee .

berliner · 24-07-2008 4:29pm

humberklog wrote: »

What a lotta nonsense! I've only played a practical joke involving Galwegian jahova witnesses trying to pound my Muslim mate's house down. He laghed his arse off. I think you're confusing what you hear on tv with the reality of the situation. Muslim's could easily look at all Catholic's around the world and say that they all believe the pope's infallible. Now I've more cotholic mates in ireland and not one of them believes that .In fact I woke up with one the other morning and she'd no opinion on it. We had sex...I think that's not in the christian doctrine either! Go Jews!
PS The Jehovahs were raging...feck'm!
But Berliner none of that has anything to do with a mosque on talbot st.

you don't get it.I suppose the demographic on Boards doesn't get it.Let's have a beer! Every thing's grand!

humberklog · 24-07-2008 4:32pm

My mate Indonesian Eddy has sent your post off home...he says they'll all laugh. There's about 300million of them feckers there. THey never stop laughing at their religion.
Anyway Muslims don't get everything they want as when they die they're gonna be burning in hell as opposed to having glorious sex with 20 virgins. A muslim is sitting beside me laughing as i type. That smile will be on the other side of his face when he pops his clogs and realises he backed the wrong pony.

berliner · 24-07-2008 4:34pm

The above makes me realise I shouldn't take anything seriously on Boards.I'm outta here.Good luck.

humberklog · 24-07-2008 4:34pm

berliner wrote: »

you don't get it.I suppose the demographic on Boards doesn't get it.Let's have a beer! Every thing's grand!

No mate you don't get it. Indeed let's have a beer and try and stay clear of the fox network you cheeky blinkered chrtistian.

And by the by if i was ever called a liberal it'd be the first time.

humberklog · 24-07-2008 4:35pm

berliner wrote: »

The above makes me realise I shouldn't take anything seriously on Boards.I'm outta here.Good luck.

RAUS!! RAUS!!

Collie D · 24-07-2008 5:32pm

berliner wrote: »

My arguments are irefutable.Wake up and smell the coffee .

What arguments would they be? You just call anyone who disagrees with you a "liberal" or PC nut.... You'd be offended if they called you a racist so why label someone arguing with you? How is somebody a bleeding heart liberal because they don't want to oppose the opening of a mosque. Its hardly "pandering to the Muslims", is it? More a case of it's not harming anybody so let them be.

super_furry · 24-07-2008 5:47pm

berliner wrote: »

The above makes me realise I shouldn't take anything seriously on Boards.I'm outta here.Good luck.

Come back! You said you'd buy us a beer! Fecking muslims, now they're costing me free pints.

humberklog · 24-07-2008 5:51pm

super_furry wrote: »

Come back! You said you'd buy us a beer! Fecking muslims, now they're costing me free pints.

Allah moves in mysterious ways. And to mysterious places(talbot st.)!
I was looking forward to that beer too. Opus dei musta been calling him away.

gurramok · 24-07-2008 6:14pm

This thread should be in Islam forum or in the beerdrinking forum, take your pick

Victor · 24-07-2008 8:43pm

berliner wrote: »

The above makes me realise I shouldn't take anything seriously on Boards.I'm outta here.Good luck.

Ha!The bigot gets burnt by the Jewish guy.

Earth Worm Jim · 26-07-2008 2:38pm

darkman2 wrote: »

The other problem I forsee is that that area tends to be frequented by people from the likes of the former Sheriff street area and places like that. Not the most enlightened of folks you will see down there so id be worried about the implications of that. I think its situated in an area that could lead to tensions. I dont think this has been fully thought through tbh. Then again many Northside areas are like that anyway. If its not put there then where else?

Funny enough I know of a mosque thats been in Castle Forbes Industrial estate for over last 5 years, this is located right on Sherrif Street (where all them "Not the most enlightened of folks" live) - I also remember one in Ballybough (in a warehouse beside croke villas) - and I have never heard or seen any trouble or tensions between the muslims and the communty.

estebancambias · 26-07-2008 7:23pm

Mairt wrote: »

I don't think Matt Talbot ever had a moments happiness in his entire life

A Mosque in Talbot St, yea why not. We've enough Catholic churches scattered around the city for our thousends of non practicing catholics.

Just thinking, it would have made better sense to give them one of our churches.

Mairt I like you as a poster in general, but I'm suprised by your response, I thought you were some hatred of everything on the outside Dub. What I mean I'm suprised in agood way, I never thought you were a racist or something but just resisting to 'change'. I do like your love for Dublin and hatred for people who complain about the place.

estebancambias · 26-07-2008 7:26pm

Earth Worm Jim wrote: »

Funny enough I know of a mosque thats been in Castle Forbes Industrial estate for over last 5 years, this is located right on Sherrif Street (where all them "Not the most enlightened of folks" live) - I also remember one in Ballybough (in a warehouse beside croke villas) - and I have never heard or seen any trouble or tensions between the muslims and the communty.

I personally think Muslims are brilliant for integrating in a community....I'm suprised by the reports in England cause in my experience they are welcoming to the outside.

Personally I don't think people from working class areas are racist really...if any its the more upper class that are.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 26-07-2008 7:38pm

estebancambias wrote: »

Mairt I like you as a poster in general, but I'm suprised by your response, I thought you were some hatred of everything on the outside Dub. What I mean I'm suprised in agood way, I never thought you were a racist or something but just resisting to 'change'. I do like your love for Dublin and hatred for people who complain about the place.

A lot of times I play up to an image.

But in reality I'm not a racist and I don't hate people in general, I mean I don't see an African and judge them on the colour of their skin, or an Asian and think he looks funny with his slanty eyes.

I judge people on their actions, and if the actions of a few spoil it for the majority, then tough sh*t.

1ofmany · 09-08-2008 10:36pm

It's a joke anyway, haha. I wonder what would happen if we went to Iraq or wherever and wanted to have our''church''there. I guess i don't have to tell you what would happen...:pac:

Collie D · 10-08-2008 11:29am

1ofmany wrote: »

It's a joke anyway, haha. I wonder what would happen if we went to Iraq or wherever and wanted to have our''church''there. I guess i don't have to tell you what would happen...:pac:

Iraq was a secular state under Saddam. Tariq Aziz was a devout Catholic apparently and even met the Pope once or twice.

Northside gets its first Mosque on Talbot Street

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