Opel Insignia

E92

Made its debut today at the London motor show. For more, see here.

GM said that Irish prices would be announced today - anyone have any ideas what they're charging and what models we will be getting?

All 2.0 diesel models with a manual gearbox get into 20% VRT, because their CO2 is 154 g/km.

The petrols manage to be dirtier than the outgoing Vectra, the 1.6 manages 179 g/km, and the 1.8 manages to pollute 184 g/km, - so I think it's fairly safe to say that we won't be getting a 1.6 Insignia.

Another astonishing thing about the Insignia is that it is 4.83 metres long, making it some 20 cm longer than the Avensis:eek:! It also weighs no less than 150 kg more than the Vectra it replaces(1503 kg minimum), so obviously the 1.6 will be completely rubbish(not that it matters since we almost certainly won't be getting it), and the 1.8 isn't likely to be much cop either.

The only decent option for Ireland looks like the 2.0 CDTI 160 bhp version. It dispatches 0-100 km/h in 9.5 seconds, which is exactly the same as the not at all fast E34 520i, which actually has 150 ponies under the bonnet. Just goes to show how bloated the family car segment has become in recent years. The 110 bhp model does 0-100 in no less than 14, yes that's 14 seconds so that will obviously be laughably slow. Hopefully the entry model for Ireland will be the 2.0 CDTI 130 bhp, which does 0-100 in 11.3 seconds and has a top speed of 202 km/h. That's hardly very quick either.

Climate Expert

I like the size of all these new cars but the engines aren't keeping up. Too slow and too heavy on fuel. None can touch the 520D for this.

bazz26

Are those GM sourced diesel engines or Fiat?

vectra

E92 wrote: »

Made its debut today at the London motor show. For more, see here.

GM said that Irish prices would be announced today - anyone have any ideas what they're charging and what models we will be getting?

All 2.0 diesel models with a manual gearbox get into 20% VRT, because their CO2 is 154 g/km.

The petrols manage to be dirtier than the outgoing Vectra, the 1.6 manages 179 g/km, and the 1.8 manages to pollute 184 g/km, - so I think it's fairly safe to say that we won't be getting a 1.6 Insignia.

Another astonishing thing about the Insignia is that it is 4.83 metres long, making it some 20 cm longer than the Avensis:eek:! It also weighs no less than 150 kg more than the Vectra it replaces(1503 kg minimum), so obviously the 1.6 will be completely rubbish(not that it matters since we almost certainly won't be getting it), and the 1.8 isn't likely to be much cop either.

The only decent option for Ireland looks like the 2.0 CDTI 160 bhp version. It dispatches 0-100 km/h in 9.5 seconds, which is exactly the same as the not at all fast E34 520i, which actually has 150 ponies under the bonnet. Just goes to show how bloated the family car segment has become in recent years. The 110 bhp model does 0-100 in no less than 14, yes that's 14 seconds so that will obviously be laughably slow. Hopefully the entry model for Ireland will be the 2.0 CDTI 130 bhp, which does 0-100 in 11.3 seconds and has a top speed of 202 km/h. That's hardly very quick either.

Roumor has it that the top model available hee in Ireland will have the 2.2 Bi-Turbo diesel unit from the Saab. pushing out in the region of 220/230 bhp. I am only going on what I was told so dont slate me if I am wrong.

Zonda999

E92 wrote: »

Made its debut today at the London motor show. For more, see here.

GM said that Irish prices would be announced today - anyone have any ideas what they're charging and what models we will be getting?

All 2.0 diesel models with a manual gearbox get into 20% VRT, because their CO2 is 154 g/km.

The petrols manage to be dirtier than the outgoing Vectra, the 1.6 manages 179 g/km, and the 1.8 manages to pollute 184 g/km, - so I think it's fairly safe to say that we won't be getting a 1.6 Insignia.

Another astonishing thing about the Insignia is that it is 4.83 metres long, making it some 20 cm longer than the Avensis:eek:! It also weighs no less than 150 kg more than the Vectra it replaces(1503 kg minimum), so obviously the 1.6 will be completely rubbish(not that it matters since we almost certainly won't be getting it), and the 1.8 isn't likely to be much cop either.

The only decent option for Ireland looks like the 2.0 CDTI 160 bhp version. It dispatches 0-100 km/h in 9.5 seconds, which is exactly the same as the not at all fast E34 520i, which actually has 150 ponies under the bonnet. Just goes to show how bloated the family car segment has become in recent years. The 110 bhp model does 0-100 in no less than 14, yes that's 14 seconds so that will obviously be laughably slow. Hopefully the entry model for Ireland will be the 2.0 CDTI 130 bhp, which does 0-100 in 11.3 seconds and has a top speed of 202 km/h. That's hardly very quick either.

Jeez, the new skoda superb manages to be much brisker than that when it probably weighs about the same and has engines with similiar power outputs
That 14 second 0-60 time for the 110 diesel is pathetic altogether, the 1.9tdi(Yes, i know how old it is but ti think that makes it even more amazing) 105bhp superb superb does 60 in 12.5 seconds.Where are you findng the performance figures for the insignia??

manta mad

well people i should be able to tell ye a bit about it after the weekend,

as i was one of the lucky 5 people to win a trip to the london motor show this weekend

as a vip guest of opel ireland !!!!!!

or if you want any info onthe new opel insignia have a look on here

www.totalopel.com

irelands opel owners club

pburns

Climate Expert wrote: »

I like the size of all these new cars but the engines aren't keeping up. Too slow and too heavy on fuel. None can touch the 520D for this.

Not every manufacturer can churn out engines as technologically advanced as BMW. Keeping a limit on size/weight would be a bonus though.

Saying you like the new XXL size but not the resulting downsides is expecting to have your cake and eat it too...

Why does a mid-size saloon need to be this big?:eek:

E92

Zonda999 wrote: »

Where are you findng the performance figures for the insignia??

Opel's own press release. Go to opel.com and click on news. It's all there.

The diesel engines are GM designs. GM have been divorced from FIAT for quite a while at this stage, so it was inevitable that the current arrangement couldn't go on forever. I presume there will be a more powerful 2.0 diesel, such is the pace of diesel technology these days that 160 bhp is starting to look a bit weedy already, that and the fact that GM have a 250 bhp 2.9 diesel on the way.

The petrol Insignias are very poor on CO2. 179 g/km from a 1.6 when Audi manages 154 g/km from a 2.0 in the A4 that's nearly twice as powerful and BMW manages a virtually identical 178 g/km from a 530i(that's a 3.0 litre petrol BMW with the added handicap of an automatic gearbox) with an automatic gearbox.

Though none of this matters since the diesels are in 20% VRT, the same as the C5 1.6 HDi, or a Legacy diesel, or Avensis 2.0 D-4D etc. And the CO2 of 154 g/km is the same whether it's the 110 bhp or the most powerful 160 bhp version, meaning no excuse to go for an underpowered 110 bhp car that takes 14 seconds to hit 100 km/h.

I would hope that since the Vectra(and Zafira) had a 100 bhp diesel option in the continent and we never got it that the same will happen this time round and we will only get the 130 bhp version as the entry level model.

As for BMW making fuel efficient cars, it's all down to the EfficientDynamics trickery that they're using.

There's nothing extraordinarily advanced about their diesel engines anyway, bar the twin turbo models. The petrols are more advanced than the competition, but VAG's TFSI engines are nearly as advanced, which in turn is light years ahead of most of the other cars out there.

Stevie Dakota

If we want 5 NCAP stars and the ability to get to the dance after a head on at 40mph, cocooned from the outside world by 2 inches of soundproofing, while fiddling with our climate control and massaging seats then we better get used to fat cars. We want all this stuff so lets not crib when it's fed to us. Or buy a Mazda 2.

lafors

Well.....Any updates on the Insignia prices???
I see the prices on the Vauxhall site but not the opel.ie site.

E92

We're getting the 1.6 Insignia. Sheer madness. The whole point of the new VRT system was to kill off cars like this:(.

Thanks be to God the tax system has changed is all I can say, otherwise everyone would be driving a car that takes a yawning 13.5 seconds to hit 100 km/h and tops out at only 192 km/h in this country. Even the 1.8 only does 0-100 in 11.9 seconds and tops out at 206 km/h, these are figures similar to a 1.6 Avensis or Mondeo.

Even more odd is the fact that the 110 bhp version of the 2.0 CDTI won't be coming here. Opel have updated the technical specifications for the Insignia, so this engine actually manages it in a more respectable 12.4 seconds rather than the ridiculously slow 14 seconds I said back in my OP. Still far from fast though obviously.

Though I can't exactly say I'm going to be regretting the fact that the most popular version of the Insignia will have 130 bhp and does 0-100 in 11.1 seconds and hits 205 km/h:D.

vectra

E92 wrote: »

We're getting the 1.6 Insignia. Sheer madness. The whole point of the new VRT system was to kill off cars like this:(.

Thanks be to God the tax system has changed is all I can say, otherwise everyone would be driving a car that takes a yawning 13.5 seconds to hit 100 km/h and tops out at only 192 km/h in this country. Even the 1.8 only does 0-100 in 11.9 seconds and tops out at 206 km/h, these are figures similar to a 1.6 Avensis or Mondeo.

Even more odd is the fact that the 110 bhp version of the 2.0 CDTI won't be coming here. Opel have updated the technical specifications for the Insignia, so this engine actually manages it in a more respectable 12.4 seconds rather than the ridiculously slow 14 seconds I said back in my OP. Still far from fast though obviously.

Though I can't exactly say I'm going to be regretting the fact that the most popular version of the Insignia will have 130 bhp and does 0-100 in 11.1 seconds and hits 205 km/h.

Jeezus..!! :eek:

Those figures are terrible..!!
That put me right off one.
( Hopefully changing again in January )
Octavia Vrs TDi maybe

Táck

Stevie Dakota wrote: »

If we want 5 NCAP stars and the ability to get to the dance after a head on at 40mph, cocooned from the outside world by 2 inches of soundproofing, while fiddling with our climate control and massaging seats then we better get used to fat cars. We want all this stuff so lets not crib when it's fed to us. Or buy a Mazda 2.

world car of the year

lafors

vectra wrote: »

Jeezus..!! :eek:

Those figures are terrible..!!
That put me right off one.
( Hopefully changing again in January )
Octavia Vrs TDi maybe

Exact same two cars I was thinking of.
vRS seems more appealing after seeing those figures, but I'll wait to see the prices first.

For info, the Vauxhall Insignia UK price at present:
2.0CDTi (160PS) Manual Exclusiv OTR £17185 (Converted using XE €21733)
2.0CDTi (160PS) Manual SRi OTR £20035 (€25337)
2.0CDTi (160PS) Manual SE OTR £20735 (€26222)
2.0CDTi (160PS) Manual Elite OTR £22735 (€28755)

There are different levels inside each trim type (eg Nav, 4x4) which are increasing the price, I just picked the basic.

So I'd guess we'll end up paying €28-30k for the Base 2.0CDTi 160 Exclusiv model and up to €40k for the higher 2.0CDTi 160 Elite model.

E92

vectra wrote: »

Jeezus..!! :eek:

Those figures are terrible..!!
That put me right off one.
( Hopefully changing again in January )
Octavia Vrs TDi maybe

Now now your car takes 2.2 seconds longer to hit 100 than the CDTI 130 Insignia:D! The Insignia would also be much faster at the top end too, I think somewhere in the region of 20-25 km/h.

I rather like the look of the Insignia, if it's as good as the Astra then it will be nearly as good as the all conquering Mondeo, which will mean it will be something very special.

Zonda999

E92 wrote: »

We're getting the 1.6 Insignia. Sheer madness. The whole point of the new VRT system was to kill off cars like this:(.

Thanks be to God the tax system has changed is all I can say, otherwise everyone would be driving a car that takes a yawning 13.5 seconds to hit 100 km/h and tops out at only 192 km/h in this country. Even the 1.8 only does 0-100 in 11.9 seconds and tops out at 206 km/h, these are figures similar to a 1.6 Avensis or Mondeo.

Even more odd is the fact that the 110 bhp version of the 2.0 CDTI won't be coming here. Opel have updated the technical specifications for the Insignia, so this engine actually manages it in a more respectable 12.4 seconds rather than the ridiculously slow 14 seconds I said back in my OP. Still far from fast though obviously.

Though I can't exactly say I'm going to be regretting the fact that the most popular version of the Insignia will have 130 bhp and does 0-100 in 11.1 seconds and hits 205 km/h:D.

13.5 seconds, in a petrol.Thats absolutely appaling!!I cant believe opel ireland are bringing it in!!Vw have a real opportunity now with the passat.If they can replace the 1.9tdi in the passat, they will comfortably have the best petrol and diesel engines in its class.I can believe have made such little progress with this car!!I mean the figures for the mondeo were bad enough but these are just pathetic!

ninty9er

E92 wrote: »

We're getting the 1.6 Insignia. Sheer madness. The whole point of the new VRT system was to kill off cars like this:(.

Thanks be to God the tax system has changed is all I can say, otherwise everyone would be driving a car that takes a yawning 13.5 seconds to hit 100 km/h and tops out at only 192 km/h in this country.

"Jaysus Mick did ya see the new Insigniture that Opel have out. Fine sturdy lookin car!"
"Indeedin it is Patsy, and I hear it has a 1.6 so it'll be cheap to keep on the road"
"Sure what about the new road tax Mick, the 2.0 Diesel will be a cut below on the price"
"Christ Patsy, I've always had a 1.6, and I'll be damned if I'll change in this hour of my age...shur have ye seen the price a feckin' diesel these days"
"I suppose you're right Mick...but I might stretch to the 1.8"
"That'd be awful dear to tax Patsy!"
"Ah sure I suppose, the 1.6 is probably a safer bet"

RobAMerc

why is anyone surprised that Opel make a car that looks great but is dynamically sh*t - they have been doing it for years. granted the new corsa and the astra are finally up there with the pack but the vectra, previous astra, and corsa were always well off the pace dynamically - I imagine this is just the same old story again. - it will sell like hot cakes though :rolleyes:

Biro

ninty9er wrote: »

"Jaysus Mick did ya see the new Insigniture that Opel have out. Fine sturdy lookin car!"
"Indeedin it is Patsy, and I hear it has a 1.6 so it'll be cheap to keep on the road"
"Sure what about the new road tax Mick, the 2.0 Diesel will be a cut below on the price"
"Christ Patsy, I've always had a 1.6, and I'll be damned if I'll change in this hour of my age...shur have ye seen the price a feckin' diesel these days"
"I suppose you're right Mick...but I might stretch to the 1.8"
"That'd be awful dear to tax Patsy!"
"Ah sure I suppose, the 1.6 is probably a safer bet"

It's funny cause it's true!

Moses7

new set of wheels and brembo brakes.

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S.I.R

E92 wrote: »

Made its debut today at the London motor show. For more, see here.

GM said that Irish prices would be announced today - anyone have any ideas what they're charging and what models we will be getting?

All 2.0 diesel models with a manual gearbox get into 20% VRT, because their CO2 is 154 g/km.

The petrols manage to be dirtier than the outgoing Vectra, the 1.6 manages 179 g/km, and the 1.8 manages to pollute 184 g/km, - so I think it's fairly safe to say that we won't be getting a 1.6 Insignia.

Another astonishing thing about the Insignia is that it is 4.83 metres long, making it some 20 cm longer than the Avensis:eek:! It also weighs no less than 150 kg more than the Vectra it replaces(1503 kg minimum), so obviously the 1.6 will be completely rubbish(not that it matters since we almost certainly won't be getting it), and the 1.8 isn't likely to be much cop either.

The only decent option for Ireland looks like the 2.0 CDTI 160 bhp version. It dispatches 0-100 km/h in 9.5 seconds, which is exactly the same as the not at all fast E34 520i, which actually has 150 ponies under the bonnet. Just goes to show how bloated the family car segment has become in recent years. The 110 bhp model does 0-100 in no less than 14, yes that's 14 seconds so that will obviously be laughably slow. Hopefully the entry model for Ireland will be the 2.0 CDTI 130 bhp, which does 0-100 in 11.3 seconds and has a top speed of 202 km/h. That's hardly very quick either.

everyone whos anyone will buy the 1.6, take out that mini lump and bolt in the 2 liter engines... but personally, shes ugly and slow and over priced, not my cup of tea at all

pburns

S.I.R wrote: »

everyone whos anyone will buy the 1.6, take out that mini lump and bolt in the 2 liter engines... but personally, shes ugly and slow and over priced, not my cup of tea at all

I think that practice hasn't been common in Ireland since Nissan diesels were installed into S-class Mercs during our last recession...

Táck

ninty9er wrote: »

"Jaysus Mick did ya see the new Insigniture that Opel have out. Fine sturdy lookin car!"
"Indeedin it is Patsy, and I hear it has a 1.6 so it'll be cheap to keep on the road"
"Sure what about the new road tax Mick, the 2.0 Diesel will be a cut below on the price"
"Christ Patsy, I've always had a 1.6, and I'll be damned if I'll change in this hour of my age...shur have ye seen the price a feckin' diesel these days"
"I suppose you're right Mick...but I might stretch to the 1.8"
"That'd be awful dear to tax Patsy!"
"Ah sure I suppose, the 1.6 is probably a safer bet"

you have to work in an opel garage! thats spot on.

these people spawn 3dr astra buyers. "ja do finance on them?"

furtzy

There will be no 1.6 insignia. The smallest petrol is the 1.8 @ 184g/km which doesn't look a good option

The two 2.0 CDTi's (130PS and 160PS) come in at 154g/km

bazz26

Yes, the "Irish special" Astra saloon has now taken over the void left by the demise of the 1.6 Vectra.

vectra

furtzy wrote: »

There will be no 1.6 insignia. The smallest petrol is the 1.8 @ 184g/km which doesn't look a good option

The two 2.0 CDTi's (130PS and 160PS) come in at 154g/km

Two new engines for the entire Insignia class also debut. The innovative 2.0-liter BiTurbo diesel with clean tech combustion system has 190 hp, and the downsized 1.6-liter gasoline turbo engine reaches 180 hp.

Taken from >> HERE :cool:

E92

furtzy wrote: »

There will be no 1.6 insignia. The smallest petrol is the 1.8 @ 184g/km which doesn't look a good option

Oh yes there will be:

Link

Opel.ie wrote:

Four petrol engines will be available ranging from a four-cylinder 115 hp unit to a newly confirmed V6 with 260 hp. The two new direct-injection turbo-diesels exclusively developed for the Insignia feature displacement of 2.0 litres. They offer 130 and 160 hp and excellent torque values ranging from 300 to 350 Nm.

As the 1.8 has 138 bhp, and the 1.6 in other countries has 115 bhp, I therefore put 2 and 2 together and stated that we would be getting a 1.6 litre Insignia.

I wasn't referring to the 1.6 vectra mentioned either, as that is a Turbo engine, and we should be getting that engine in due course.

Speaking of 1.6 turbo petrol engines, BMW have one of these coming in the new X1 due out later on this year, and it will gradually replace the NA 2.0 N43B20(such is the pace of progress at the BMW engine department that an engine that only made its debut last March as in only 18 months ago is already due to be replaced by something better)found in the 1 and 3 series(as well as the X3 and 5 series in the continent).

Another forthcoming addition to the Insignia line up(well for the Continent anyway) is a 2.9 V6 CDTi with around 250 bhp.

Btw ninty9er, your spiel about "Mick and Patsy" and the 1.6 litre Insignia was absolutely funking hilarious:D!

djtechnics1210

Any idea when its going to be on sale in ireland

R.O.R

djtechnics1210 wrote: »

Any idea when its going to be on sale in ireland

I was told by Opel that pricing would be released in September with models in the dealers shortly afterwards, but really it's going to be January before they are readily available.

It probably all depends on how well it's selling in the UK, and how many of the Vectra's they still have hanging around.

vectra

djtechnics1210 wrote: »

Any idea when its going to be on sale in ireland

I was told by an Opel dealer to expect them on sale from November :cool:

E92

Looks like the Insignia is getting off to a great start, Autocar has been heaping the sort of praise it usually reserves for the Mondeo and 3 series.

And the Irish Times is over the moon about the car.

And yes there will be a 1.6 NA petrol.

It starts at €26,495, and you get all the basics including ESP as standard.

The line-up seems to be following the UK rather closely bar the 1.6 being available of course:mad:.

Hopefully nobody will buy it and everyone will flock straight to the oil burner with a much more respectable 130 bhp.

From the IT:
"Our test cars were powered by Opel's potent 2.0-litre 160bhp diesel engine. It's got a real kick and plenty of torque on tap, well matched to a smooth-changing manual gearbox. Five engines will be offered initially when the car arrives here in November. While there are three petrol engines in the range - a 1.6-litre, 1.8-litre and 2.0-litre turbo - none of them match the new 2.0-litre diesel for either fuel economy or carbon emissions. The diesel is offered in two power options - a 130bhp and 160bhp - but both record emission levels of just 154g/km when matched to a new six-speed manual gearbox.
At its current rating, the 2,0-litre diesel will carry a Vehicle Registration Tax (VRT) of 20 per cent, compared to 28 per cent for the 1.6-litre petrol version. While the core audience of Irish family saloon buyers are loathe to leave their petrol variants, the diesel would seem the outright best buy for Irish buyer."