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Headshot · 20-07-2008 5:03pm #1

been watching TNA for a while now and they have such a great roster

but why is it useless

with the likes of angle, AJ etc

you think they would be getting WWE problems hence WWE would work harder to have a decent show (fire the likes of kane ,mark henry etc etc

but no competition
if i was boss of TNA i would
get rid of karen angle, kevin Nash and Jim Cornette etc

it needs a big shake up

for me i would concentrate on the x division since WWE dont care about the light weights

get someone who can write a decent story line

what would fellow board members do ??

Mr.Nice Guy · 20-07-2008 5:27pm

The show is an illogical mess in my opinion. The recent PPV being a good example. I watched it regularly a few years back but it was just getting too absurd for me to deal with.

I certainly wouldn't fire Jim Cornette. If I was in charge, I'd fire the useless writers and let Cornette book the show. Or better yet, I'd go beg Paul Heyman to come on board.

CMpunked · 20-07-2008 5:44pm

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

The show is an illogical mess in my opinion. The recent PPV being a good example. I watched it regularly a few years back but it was just getting too absurd for me to deal with.

I certainly wouldn't fire Jim Cornette. If I was in charge, I'd fire the useless writers and let Cornette book the show. Or better yet, I'd go beg Paul Heyman to come on board.

I agree, thats exatly what i would do, get Paul E. He'd be able to save some face out of what it is

rovert · 20-07-2008 5:50pm

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Jim Cornette

Cornette was out of touch in 1993. He could handle the stress of booking nowadays.

The major problem with TNA is that most of the people with power learned the business in a massive money loser (WCW.)

Machismo Fan · 20-07-2008 5:55pm

One. Karen Angle is one of the first people(if not the first) in TNA to break the top 10 yahoo search, so she is somewhat popular.

Two. Nash can draw in some of the older wrestling fans that don't know what TNA is, if an old fan is channel flicking and spots Nash, they might stop to check it out.

Three. Whats your problem with Cornette?

Four. The x-division will never draw as well as the heavyweight division but they should give it more time as it is a breeding ground for the heavyweight division(Styles, Daniels, Joe) and will be in the future(Kaz and Lethal) and features quality wrestling.

Five. Paul Heyman is not God and he is not the answer to everything.

Six. Of course TNA is going to be illogical if you don't watch it regularly, people don't have enough patience and they jump at TNA before TNA could even have time to explain a story. The last PPV is a prime example of this, calling the World title storyline bad before they even watched Impact to see it explained.

ShawnRaven · 20-07-2008 6:00pm

Heyman? A man who barely got his product on TV, and got his product turfed off TV just as quick?

Unless you WANT TNA to go completely bust?
VR!

Mr.Nice Guy · 20-07-2008 6:08pm

validreasoning! wrote: »

Heyman? A man who barely got his product on TV, and got his product turfed off TV just as quick?

Unless you WANT TNA to go completely bust?
VR!

The company is currently booked by Vince Russo who sent WCW into the ground like a rocket.

Paul Heyman presided over what I would regard as quite possibly Smackdown's best ever period. Heyman's contribution to wrestling is well-known. Even Vince McMahon has praised his creative talents.

Anyone who thinks TNA is in better hands with the likes of Russo and Dutch Mantel rather than the likes of Cornette or Heyman is bonkers in my view.

Bubs101 · 20-07-2008 6:10pm

Machismo Fan wrote: »

Six. Of course TNA is going to be illogical if you don't watch it regularly, people don't have enough patience and they jump at TNA before TNA could even have time to explain a story. The last PPV is a prime example of this, calling the World title storyline bad before they even watched Impact to see it explained.

I watched Impact and they didn't explain it at all. It was extremely confusing.

I do think Heyman would do well in a company that can hemmorage money and he'd bring the likes of RVD with him which could help.

The company are doing somethings right though. Beer Money inc. have the potential to be fantastic. The potential of a feud between them and the MCMG has me salivating. X cup was great. The way they have developed Tomko and Kaz is admirable. The Sonjay Dutt and Jay Lethal storyline is entertaining. But even with all those positives it doesn't outweigh the shambles they have just made of their heavyweight title situation. And Joe was meant to stop all this nonsense

ShawnRaven · 20-07-2008 6:11pm

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

The company is currently booked by Vince Russo who sent WCW into the ground like a rocket.

Believe me, he didn't do it on his own...

Paul Heyman presided over what I would regard as quite possibly Smackdown's best ever period. Heyman's contribution to wrestling is well-known. Even Vince McMahon has praised his creative talents.

He had McMahon watching over him the entire time. If he's placed in a mismanaged place like TNA, he'd come up with another stupid crucifixion angle which would get them turfed right off TV within minutes!

Anyone who thinks TNA is in better hands with the likes of Russo and Dutch Mantel rather than the likes of Cornette or Heyman is bonkers in my view.

Oh don't get me wrong, they need Russo out of there, I just don't think Heyman is the answer! Especially the amount of botched management decisions he was responsible for in ECW.

VR!

ShawnRaven · 20-07-2008 6:14pm

Bubs101 wrote: »

The company are doing somethings right though. Beer Money inc. have the potential to be fantastic. The potential of a feud between them and the MCMG has me salivating. X cup was great. The way they have developed Tomko and Kaz is admirable. The Sonjay Dutt and Jay Lethal storyline is entertaining. But even with all those positives it doesn't outweigh the shambles they have just made of their heavyweight title situation. And Joe was meant to stop all this nonsense

I really don't wanna see anymore ex WWE talent in TNA, and i include RVD at that. The promotion has enough and better guys in there to be developed without WWE's former circus animals hogging the spotlight.

I can't disagree with any of the above though. They need to sort something out with it's heavyweight division, as a result of it i nearly tune out for the second hour of impact these days.

VR!

Mr.Nice Guy · 20-07-2008 6:24pm

validreasoning! wrote: »

He had McMahon watching over him the entire time. If he's placed in a mismanaged place like TNA, he'd come up with another stupid crucifixion angle which would get them turfed right off TV within minutes!

Oh don't get me wrong, they need Russo out of there, I just don't think Heyman is the answer! Especially the amount of botched management decisions he was responsible for in ECW.

VR!

Sometimes McMahon does get it badly wrong though, ie December to Dismember. I think Heyman would want to prove a lot and would be very useful. Sure they could watch over him if they wanted to.

I think TNA's problem is that they aren't ruthless enough to go forward. If Vince doesn't like something he acts unmercifully, but I get the feeling with TNA is that it's a case of 'jobs for the boys'.

rossie1977 · 20-07-2008 6:41pm

Bubs101 wrote: »

The company are doing somethings right though. Beer Money inc. have the potential to be fantastic. The potential of a feud between them and the MCMG has me salivating. X cup was great. The way they have developed Tomko and Kaz is admirable. The Sonjay Dutt and Jay Lethal storyline is entertaining.

yes there are a number of positives in tna, add the fantastic booked womens division to that list and impact lately has been an enjoyable 2 hour watch. i didn't see the last PPV so i can't comment on that

the main problem with tna is that alot of WWE fans especially the younger kids don't even know the promotion exists. At mania i was talking to 3 or 4 youngsters and asked them their favourite wrestler, booker t was the reply from two, "but he is now retired from wrestling"

at the impact shows i attended i got talking to people in the queues who were clueless as to who the likes of aj and samoa joe were, they knew the ex wwe guys and thats all

Danger_Dave · 20-07-2008 6:43pm

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

The show is an illogical mess in my opinion.

Pity Raw has gone this way as well. It seems that Sports Entertainment is suffering from brain drain in the creative departments. Id like to see Paul Heyman on some promotion , but not having absolute total control , Id still like to see the WWE have a competitor :pac:

ShawnRaven · 20-07-2008 6:49pm

Danger_Dave wrote: »

Id still like to see the WWE have a competitor :pac:

I'll echo this sentiment. As it's the only thing that can pull WWE out of the rut that it's in at the moment.

Either that or fire Cena :pac:
VR!

Headshot · 20-07-2008 6:54pm

Danger_Dave wrote: »

Pity Raw has gone this way as well. It seems that Sports Entertainment is suffering from brain drain in the creative departments. Id like to see Paul Heyman on some promotion , but not having absolute total control , Id still like to see the WWE have a competitor :pac:

ya raw is gone to hell now

some lot of wasters on it now

Batista,JBL,Kane etc ( i left cena out because he's not the worse imo)

wasters that can wrestle for ****

that why we need Tna to get a wider appeal to upset WWE in to a reaction

on the good side smackdown is getting better

ecw is a waste of time but i do like that Evan Bourne

HBK · 20-07-2008 6:59pm

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

The show is an illogical mess in my opinion.

This i agree with,i watched Victory road main event yesterday,and just sat there shaking my head at what was going on...a steaming pile of shi*t tbh
And i do believe Russo is to blame, with ridiculous endings,ridiculous charactors,the focus on 'old' guys....its the pits

I used to have such high hopes for TNA.

Heyman..........hmmm nice touch!

ShawnRaven · 20-07-2008 7:06pm

HBK wrote: »

Heyman..........hmmm nice touch!

Give it up folks, bingo hall wrestling club isn't coming back!

VR!

rovert · 20-07-2008 7:07pm

HBK wrote: »

And i do believe Russo is to blame, with ridiculous endings,ridiculous charactors,the focus on 'old' guys....its the pits

Nope it is Jarrett

Bubs101 · 20-07-2008 7:10pm

rovert wrote: »

Nope it is Jarrett

Which one? I would have thought that Jeff's influence on the company would have waned as soon as his wife died/just before it. If anything, the company was better when he had a more direct role

ShawnRaven · 20-07-2008 7:14pm

Bubs101 wrote: »

Which one? I would have thought that Jeff's influence on the company would have waned as soon as his wife died/just before it.

Quite the opposite dude, Jeff Jarrett and Dixie Carter have always had a fairly close relationship. It only takes a phone call to pitch an idea across.

VR!

Bubs101 · 20-07-2008 7:18pm

validreasoning! wrote: »

Quite the opposite dude, Jeff Jarrett and Dixie Carter have always had a fairly close relationship. It only takes a phone call to pitch an idea across.

VR!

Oh, I know that, I just thought that his priorities were elsewhere at the time of the decline and in fairness to Jarret he was one of those who presided over the rise of TNA

rossie1977 · 20-07-2008 7:20pm

HBK wrote: »

This i agree with,i watched Victory road main event yesterday,and just sat there shaking my head at what was going on...a steaming pile of shi*t tbh

wcw ppv main events circa 1995-1997 were often terrible, seriously tna main events are nowhere near as bad as what happened at uncensored in 1996 :eek:

rovert · 20-07-2008 7:30pm

Bubs101 wrote: »

Which one?

Nice to see you keep up on current affairs, Jerry hasnt been with the company in 3+ years and both Jarretts arent on speaking terms.

Bubs101 wrote: »

I would have thought that Jeff's influence on the company would have waned as soon as his wife died/just before it. If anything, the company was better when he had a more direct role

Jeff is at every IMPACT taping and is head of the creative team. He has the final say on scripts and selects the writing team.

ShawnRaven · 20-07-2008 7:30pm

WWE King Of The Ring 95? Summerslam 95? In Your House 3 & 4?
Trust me, Victory Road was genius by comparison!

VR!

rovert · 20-07-2008 7:33pm

Bubs101 wrote: »

X cup was great

Nah TNA did a real bad job with the talent they had.

rovert · 20-07-2008 7:35pm

validreasoning! wrote: »

Give it up folks, bingo hall wrestling club isn't coming back!
VR!

Test's main event push might

CMpunked · 20-07-2008 10:50pm

Something i was thinking about this all day is TNA could get so much more interest from "on the fence" fans is if they have a little interaction WITH the fans, something WWE can't do.

Heard that at TNA tapings, live events and crap they have agents walking around listening out for whos louder and gives out backstage passes?!
Thats something WWE have never thought of, or will never adopt.

One thing that might make things better is if they expand on that, say, start a forum on their website (kinda like the ill-fated IWW forum :P), Where they listen to the fans ideas, what they like, what they dont.

I know it would never happen, but thats what i think would make a great promotion. Staying "friends with the fans". One of the reasons why ECW made such an impact with the fans was simply because of this idea, im sure there were dozens of stupid doped up lunitics throwing themselves through tables and didnt get a look in!
But ECW had that connection....

rossie1977 · 21-07-2008 12:13am

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

Heard that at TNA tapings, live events and crap they have agents walking around listening out for whos louder and gives out backstage passes?!
Thats something WWE have never thought of, or will never adopt.
.

yeah they do, when you see tna come back from a break and the fans are going wild even though there is no action in the ring thats when the announcer has asked the fans to "be as loud as possible" and the loudest, wildest fan will then be picked out to go backstage

the problem with tna as i mentioned previous is that alot of the fans you see on tv in the impact zone are NOT really tna fans per se; many are just tourists in the park for the day or just casual viewers who decide to go along; sure there are a few diehard tna fans too, its so easy to get caught up in the atmosphere though as an outsider. the announcer, the ring guy and Socal val do a great job lifting the crowd for the 2hrs

rovert · 21-07-2008 12:24pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

Heard that at TNA tapings, live events and crap they have agents walking around listening out for whos louder and gives out backstage passes?!Thats something WWE have never thought of, or will never adopt.....

Wrong but they dont have to do it as it is bush league stuff.

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

One thing that might make things better is if they expand on that, say, start a forum on their website (kinda like the ill-fated IWW forum :P), Where they listen to the fans ideas, what they like, what they dont.

As it works so well in ROH :rolleyes:

CMpunked · 22-07-2008 12:03am

rovert wrote: »

Wrong but they dont have to do it as it is bush league stuff.

They what?

rovert wrote: »

As it works so well in ROH :rolleyes:

Thats awsome, never knew that.

Fozzy · 22-07-2008 12:10am

TNA do have a forum on their site: http://www.xtremeregime.com/ I'm not a member so I don't know if it gets as bad as things on the ROH board

CMpunked · 22-07-2008 12:18am

Ha, see in a wrestling genius i tells ya, comin up with those ideas before i knew about them! :cool::rolleyes:

rovert · 22-07-2008 5:36am

Fozzy wrote: »

TNA do have a forum on their site: http://www.xtremeregime.com/ I'm not a member so I don't know if it gets as bad as things on the ROH board

"Oh Gabe you can do no wrong xxx" etc

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

Ha, see in a wrestling genius i tells ya, comin up with those ideas before i knew about them! :cool::rolleyes:

No you are not, promoting Wrestling isnt about giving the fans want they think they want.

CMpunked · 22-07-2008 12:40pm

rovert wrote: »

No you are not, promoting Wrestling isnt about giving the fans want they think they want.

Man, Chill The F*** OUT!

Can't you recognize a joke when you see one?

rovert · 22-07-2008 1:01pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

Man, Chill The F*** OUT!

Can't you recognize a joke when you see one?

You made a joke about a post you made in all seriousness, Im referring to the original post.

CMpunked · 22-07-2008 1:03pm

Well then quote the original post and not the reply and save me from getting all worked up about you, geez!

rovert · 22-07-2008 1:08pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

Well then quote the original post and not the reply and save me from getting all worked up about you, geez!

You were referring your original point tho

CMpunked · 22-07-2008 1:14pm

rovert wrote: »

You were referring your original point tho

Ok, so im not a promoter. But whats the problem in just trying to have an opinion on this site?
Dam, your even more demeaning than Zach Gowan!

rovert · 22-07-2008 1:18pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

Ok, so im not a promoter. But whats the problem in just trying to have an opinion on this site?

Whats the problem with challanging another's opinion after all it is discussion board. Im just passing on knowledge which came from promoters namely Paul Boesch, Sam Mushnik & Bill Watts.

CMpunked · 22-07-2008 1:34pm

rovert wrote: »

Whats the problem with challanging another's opinion after all it is discussion board. Im just passing on knowledge which came from promoters namely Paul Boesch, Sam Mushnik & Bill Watts.

True, it is a discussion board.

But i never claimed to be a promoter, i was responding to the call of "What would you do if.....".
I gave MY opinion, so if you have something constructive to say than lets hear it, but if not, quit shooting down everyone's opinions in here, it's getting really, really, really boring.

*EDIT*

{(-_-)}HeadShoT** wrote: »

what would fellow board members do ??

You will find that at the top of the thread

rovert · 22-07-2008 1:47pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

True, it is a discussion board.

But i never claimed to be a promoter, i was responding to the call of "What would you do if.....".
I gave MY opinion, so if you have something constructive to say than lets hear it, but if not, quit shooting down everyone's opinions in here, it's getting really, really, really boring.

I’m not shooting down anyone’s opinion I’m just adding to the debate by offering the rational why Wrestling companies promote a certain way. There is a famous story about a great wrestling promoter who promoted in 70s called Paul Boesch who was doing great business at the time. He came up the idea of asking fans what match they would like to see, so at one of the shows in the lobby he placed a ballot box. So the fans voted with a landside for the two top babyfaces to wrestle each other (the babyface/heel divide was much stronger back then and babyfaces rarely wrestled each other.) So he promoted that match and what happened? The arena which was full the previous week was only half full for the match fans wanted to see. What does that tell you? What people want and what they actually to see/pay for are two different animals.

CMpunked · 22-07-2008 2:51pm

rovert wrote: »

There is a famous story about a great wrestling promoter who promoted in 70s called Paul Boesch who was doing great business at the time. He came up the idea of asking fans what match they would like to see, so at one of the shows in the lobby he placed a ballot box. So the fans voted with a landside for the two top babyfaces to wrestle each other (the babyface/heel divide was much stronger back then and babyfaces rarely wrestled each other.) So he promoted that match and what happened? The arena which was full the previous week was only half full for the match fans wanted to see. What does that tell you? What people want and what they actually to see/pay for are two different animals.

wow, that actually a very good point. I'll give you that one.

But that raises more questions, would that work now a days, that theory that what people want and what they want to see.

Its very interesting, and i have to retract some of my earlier comments, from having a conversation with one of my friends via msn, he pointed out that WWE had try to do that which what i was referring to, they tried to do a "fans decide the match, ie, cyber sunday/taboo tuesday. But of course that has been done before with Cyberslam, and too many others i can think of.

Machismo Fan · 22-07-2008 2:56pm

The highest earning wrestling PPV ever featured two face on face world title matches(and none of the four really turned heel), just thought I'd point that out.

Wrestling promoters do have to give the fans what they want as they pay for what they want, its just a matter of when they give it to them and how.

rovert · 22-07-2008 2:56pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

wow, that actually a very good point. I'll give you that one.

But that raises more questions, would that work now a days, that theory that what people want and what they want to see.

Its very interesting, and i have to retract some of my earlier comments, from having a conversation with one of my friends via msn, he pointed out that WWE had try to do that which what i was referring to, they tried to do a "fans decide the match, ie, cyber sunday/taboo tuesday. But of course that has been done before with Cyberslam, and too many others i can think of.

None of those were massive successes. Cyber Sunday has always been a flawed concept in part for the reason that Ive pointed out with that story. Along with the day in Taboo Tuesday's case and with the by product of the concept being no one knows what matches will happen before hand.

rovert · 22-07-2008 2:59pm

Machismo Fan wrote: »

The highest earning wrestling PPV ever featured two face on face world title matches(and none of the four really turned heel), just thought I'd point that out.

This PPV would be?

Machismo Fan wrote: »

Wrestling promoters do have to give the fans what they want as they pay for what they want, its just a matter of when they give it to them and how.

Yes but it is a promoters job to create interest (the want) at the beginning of that process.

rovert · 22-07-2008 3:06pm

Basicially what Im saying is build it and they will come:

CMpunked · 22-07-2008 3:09pm

rovert wrote: »

Yes but it is a promoters job to create interest (the want) at the beginning of that process.

People will "want" wrestlers to compete without the promoter bringing them together.

I want to see Joe v. HHH, i don't exactly know why, but it would be interesting.
No one created that idea in my head, i came up with it. Therefore that concept i just quoted of you isnt always the case, maybe 15% of the time it is.

rovert · 22-07-2008 3:19pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

People will "want" wrestlers to compete without the promoter bringing them together.

I want to see Joe v. HHH, i don't exactly know why, but it would be interesting.
No one created that idea in my head, i came up with it. Therefore that concept i just quoted of you isnt always the case, maybe 15% of the time it is.

But would Joe v HHH draw a "full house" with no promotion? Im not sure. It is your personal preference only (to the best of our knowledge here) people may not share the same preference.

Booking for a promoters preferences doesnt yield the best of results see TNA & WWE over the years for examples.

rossie1977 · 22-07-2008 4:27pm

rovert wrote: »

This PPV would be?

i assume he/she is referring to mania 23

Fozzy · 22-07-2008 4:47pm

rossie1977 wrote: »

i assume he/she is referring to mania 23

This year's Wrestlemania was the highest earning wrestling PPV though

rovert · 22-07-2008 4:58pm

rossie1977 wrote: »

i assume he/she is referring to mania 23

I would too but Vince McMahon and Donald Trump was pushed as the main attraction for that show. Part of the reason why that Wrestlemania was so successful was that the feud appealed to casual/main stream/non fans, which in fact was an example of "not listening to the fans" per se. WWE chose rather to appeal beyond their core audience by coming up with a fantastic promotional idea and reaped the benefits.

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