Wolves

Cato

Would somebody know what is required to get/own a wolf, or if it is even legal at all? i heard up in the north they were breeding them and seeling them on...

Basically i want a dog that looks like a wolf, are there any other types of dogs besides huskys that fit this criteria? if there aren't can some husky owners give tips and what to look for and what they are like as a pet.

Thanks.

Green Hornet

Well from the point of view of huskeys, my brother had one. Beautiful dog and had a great temperament. Lovely dogs.

Not much help to you but just my two cents worth anyway .

Cato

what happened to it? and do all huskys have the curly tail? don't like that to much:(

kerrysgold

Wolves are wild animals, you can't just keep one as a pet, I'm sure it must be illegal.

Honestly, you seem too focused on the looks of the animal rather than getting a pet that will suit you! Most Husky owners will tell you that they need about 2 hours exercise a day and need a lot of training and attention as well as an extremely secure garden.

animalcrazy

My uncle's father in law had two half wolves, they looked exactly like wolves though, I barely remember them though, I was about 6 or 7. To cut a long story short, they had to be shot, so I wouldn't recommend it, their not exactly the type of pet that you can bring for a walk!

Cato

kerrysgold wrote: »

Wolves are wild animals, you can't just keep one as a pet, I'm sure it must be illegal.

Honestly, you seem too focused on the looks of the animal rather than getting a pet that will suit you! Most Husky owners will tell you that they need about 2 hours exercise a day and need a lot of training and attention as well as an extremely secure garden.

which isent really a problem if you live in the country side, any way why not focus on looks of the pet? thats a big part of it as well, thats my i would imagine not many people have pet tarantulas!:pac:

LisaO

Quote:
Originally Posted by kerrysgold
Wolves are wild animals, you can't just keep one as a pet, I'm sure it must be illegal.

Honestly, you seem too focused on the looks of the animal rather than getting a pet that will suit you! Most Husky owners will tell you that they need about 2 hours exercise a day and need a lot of training and attention as well as an extremely secure garden.

which isent really a problem if you live in the country side

What isn't really a problem if you live in the countryside? Keeping a wild animal, it being illegal, the need for exercise or the secure garden?

Just curious...

Saruman

Cato wrote: »

which isent really a problem if you live in the country side, any way why not focus on looks of the pet? thats a big part of it as well, thats my i would imagine not many people have pet tarantulas!:pac:

Quite naive here Cato? You think owning a wild animal like a wolf is less of a problem in the country?
Its MORE of a problem. Wolf escapes and starts rampaging through farms? Its going to get shot and if you are chasing after it the farmer might be in his rights to shoot you for stupidity

Just get a German Shepherd or something.

Cato

ok so what about a husky? :pac:

Green Hornet

My brothers husky got led astray by another dog unfortunately. She went after sheep :eek:.

She didn't kill any but nevertheless when you live in the country theres only one outcome for a dog that demonstrates an interest in sheep.

In fairness though, thats a potential issue with any dog, not necessarily a husky. I'd have one if my garden was big enough (which it isn't).

roybob

With any big dog your going need alot of space to keep them. My brother and I have two Siberian huskies from the same litter and they are just a great animal. We got two cause If we only got one they would have gotten lonely. They need loads of attention either by a human or other animal. Ya they will all have a curly tail, You'd love it if you see one wagging away. When we first got our two, people around us taught they were wolves and were scared but now everyone loves them. We live just outside a small town so livestock was a big issue, When they were younger they would bark alot at horses and cows but luckily we were able to stop that. We've had a few dogs and so far I must say the huskies have been the best behaved so far. There just over three years old. Also with huskies its a good way to meet people, as while we are walking them people will stop us to look at them and pet them. If you get one just be prepared to have your whole house coverd in hairs. Hope that helps somewhat.

expediateclimb

The Saarloos Wolfhound and Czechoslovakian Wolfdog are both wolf hybrids. As far as wolf hybrids go they are extremely unpredictable and from the sounds of it, not suitable for someone such as yourself who is only interested in appearance.

The Tamaskan is a wolf like dog with no recent wolf ancestry. The tamaskan dog is a good family dog and as it is not a hybrid, would be easier to take care of but would still require a lot of attention.

I'm not aware of the legality of keeping a wolf in Ireland as a pet but it should never be done whether legal or not. Wild animals can be aggresive and unpredictable and while it is not only cruel to the animal, it is also dangerous to both yourself and the general public.

Cato

roybob wrote: »

If you get one just be prepared to have your whole house coverd in hairs. Hope that helps somewhat.

Great post thanks for the reply, how do you deal with the fur around the house?

expediateclimb wrote: »

The Saarloos Wolfhound and Czechoslovakian Wolfdog are both wolf hybrids. As far as wolf hybrids go they are extremely unpredictable and from the sounds of it, not suitable for someone such as yourself who is only interested in appearance.

The Tamaskan is a wolf like dog with no recent wolf ancestry. The tamaskan dog is a good family dog and as it is not a hybrid, would be easier to take care of but would still require a lot of attention.

ahh come one now i never said it was only for appearance, but thanks for the suggestion on breeds, i goggled the Tamaskan and it looks ideal! now where would i go about find a breeder? what country are they from?

Saruman

Try http://www.tamaskan-dog.co.uk/

None for adoption right now but they might be able to steer you in the right direction.

Cato

Are you trying to get one saruman?

peasant

We had a thread recently about Tamskans (and Utonagans, and Northern Innuit )

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055258496&highlight=tamaskan

Cato

Read through that thread, and im even more confused now! but ive learned a a few new things!:pac:

kerrysgold

Just curious, why do you want a dog? You just appear to want a wolf or wolf-like dog, maybe if you post a bit about your lifestyle/property you can get some realistic advice about what sort of dog would suit you. i.e. how much time you are away from home each day, how much time you can devote to exercise, size/security of garden etc.
unless you want to do mushing or something a husky isn't essential, any breed/type of dog will make a good pet. Would you consider a GSD? They are fairly wolfy looking if that's the sort of dog you like and there are also masses of them looking for new homes usually.

Cato

ive had two pets previously, dogs they were the same age and died recently last year in space of a year, of old age, ive aways wanted a wolfy looking dog, i don't want to get one now, its just research for the future when i can fully co mite to having one of these "wolf type" dogs.Also my dad mention he wanted a similar dog and used to looking after pets so, i have a few reasons.
do you doubt me?

Jimkel

Cato wrote: »

which isent really a problem if you live in the country side, any way why not focus on looks of the pet? thats a big part of it as well, thats my i would imagine not many people have pet tarantulas!:pac:

There are more Tarantula keepers then wolf keepers.:D And yes Wolves are illigal.

Morganna

The utonagan the northern innuit and the tamaskan are all the same type .They look like wolves .

LovelyTom

Northern Inuits look just like wolves and have great temperments

Vas_Guy

LovelyTom wrote: »

Northern Inuits look just like wolves and have great temperments

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True, if you want a wolf get a Northern Inuit, they look exactly like a wolf, with out the wolf temperment.

There are a few people breeding wolf hybrids, best to stay clear.

KhuntChops

The Tamaskans and Utonagans are both spin off breeds from the Northern Innuit.

I have met Northern Innuits ,they have a wonderful temperment and are stunning but they do need to be with another dog as they dont live well alone,if your interested genuinely I can put you in touch with a genuine breeder of Northern Innuits living in Ireland. She can tell you everything you need to no in greater detail then anyone here (no offence) including what the story is with Tamaskans and Utonagans.

Hope this is been of some help,

KC

Cato

Hey, Guys thanks for the replys and the info ive done a little research on these dogs and i would be inclined to agree with Morganna the 3 are similar, and realy the thing is the characteristics dont seem to be a huge difrerence bettween the "Breeds".

Having said this i would love to get more info KhuntChops if you could forward that on in this thread or via pm that would be great! and the Northern Inuit Breeder is located in the republic you say? would love to get contact details...

Morganna

KhuntChops wrote: »

The Tamaskans and Utonagans are both spin off breeds from the Northern Innuit.

I have met Northern Innuits ,they have a wonderful temperment and are stunning but they do need to be with another dog as they dont live well alone,if your interested genuinely I can put you in touch with a genuine breeder of Northern Innuits living in Ireland. She can tell you everything you need to no in greater detail then anyone here (no offence) including what the story is with Tamaskans and Utonagans.

Hope this is been of some help,

KC

Two of my friends started the utonagan and another the tamaskan they first called there dogs northern innuits.They are all the same breed except the people fell out and gave their dogs different names.

Morganna

Cato wrote: »

Hey, Guys thanks for the replys and the info ive done a little research on these dogs and i would be inclined to agree with Morganna the 3 are similar, and realy the thing is the characteristics dont seem to be a huge difrerence bettween the "Breeds".

Having said this i would love to get more info KhuntChops if you could forward that on in this thread or via pm that would be great! and the Northern Inuit Breeder is located in the republic you say? would love to get contact details...

Hi Cato i have had dealings with the breed since the mid 90s they are all the same except the people had differences of opinions and changed the breed from innuit to utonagans then another friend started the tamaskan ,They are all the same type there are some nice ones and some rubbish ,but basically they are xbreeds.

Our man in Havana

Yes its legal to own wolves - tigers & bears etc. If they are under cites you need to ensure they are registered & have the paper work needed.

I am not advocating wolf, tiger or bear ownership!

I own tarantulas! snakes, lizards, birdies, skunks etc etc etc etc.

Saruman

Bond-007 wrote: »

Yes its legal to own wolves - tigers & bears etc..

In what country? Not Ireland anyway, not even Norther Ireland/UK any more as far as i know but certainly not Ireland. You can not have a pet Tiger or any other big exotic cat, we along with a bunch of other countries and certain US states banned them years ago.
You might be talking about Zoo owners or circus operators but im not sure how that is relevant to this thread

I could be wrong but im pretty certain its not legal here.

Run_to_da_hills

I know off a guy in Mountrath that keeps a Timberwolf, great pet.

peasant

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I know off a guy in Mountrath that keeps a Timberwolf, great pet.

I seriously doubt that. It's either not a timberwolf or not a great pet ...but it can't be both.

Amimad

Try this link for NI
http://www.irishdogs.ie/Find%20a%20Dog.htm

Seamus357

There's a fella down in Inch, Co. Wexford that regularly sells wolf pups.

I think a Czechoslovakian Wolfdog would be a better buy though as they are mostly dog (70% to 75% dog and 25% to 30% carpatian wolf), they would be easier to control. They are really beautiful dogs too.

Seamus

Morganna

The russian army many years ago had a wolf working with them .A soldier rescued it as a cub and it was patrolling fences with his handler .The other soldiers gad gsds he had the wolf

peadarose

KhuntChops wrote: »

The Tamaskans and Utonagans are both spin off breeds from the Northern Innuit.

I have met Northern Innuits ,they have a wonderful temperment and are stunning but they do need to be with another dog as they dont live well alone,if your interested genuinely I can put you in touch with a genuine breeder of Northern Innuits living in Ireland. She can tell you everything you need to no in greater detail then anyone here (no offence) including what the story is with Tamaskans and Utonagans.

Hope this is been of some help,

KC

Hi there,
Could you possibly send me contact details for the 'Northern Innuit' breeder in Ireland please. I've been interested in getting a Utonagan for a while and would like to compare to the 'Northern Innuit'. I'm definitely getting one or the other. Also any other advice would be very much apprecfiated.
Regards,
Peadar

EGAR

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055081196&highlight=chieftain

moonzmum

Hi, would just like to point out that neither the czech wolf dog or the saarloos are wolf hybrid, they are both breeds of DOG, a hybrid is a first cross between a wolf and a dog. Also the Northern Inuit dog is the fore runner to the Utonagan, Tamaskan and british Inuit and has been closely bred like to like for over 20 years whereas the other 'breeds have been outcrossed to breeds such as the collie and akita. I have had NI for over 10 years and have been breeding for 7, I only have 1 litter per year if that, and can honestly say that they arent a breed for everyone, they can suffer from extreme seperation anxiety and do lots of damage if left alone for long periods, they hate to be alone and are extremely social animals, they are stubborn and wilful and will try to get the upper hand if allowed, they are very boisterous at play and some have very high prey drive so definately not a dog for the novice owner. They moult heavily twice a year, like to dig and ruin gardens, sounds bad eh, but the only breed for me lol, they are loving and loyal to their family, they can be aloof with strangers and dont make good guard dogs although mine will bark at strangers. There are always people out there who think they know the ins and outs of my breed, I would suggest they go to the breed club website to get as much info as possible. Although beautiful and very wolf like, the czech and saarloos are not proven to have the best of temperaments and I know of several that have proved to be escape artists. Definately read up as much info as possible before thinking about any 'wolf look a like', they arent all in sheeps clothing lol.

monty_python

Saruman wrote: »

In what country? Not Ireland anyway, not even Norther Ireland/UK any more as far as i know but certainly not Ireland. You can not have a pet Tiger or any other big exotic cat, we along with a bunch of other countries and certain US states banned them years ago.
You might be talking about Zoo owners or circus operators but im not sure how that is relevant to this thread

I could be wrong but im pretty certain its not legal here.

your wrong. in the south of ireland there is no DWA. you can keep any animal you wish, dogs are the only animals that require a license.

a small jack russel requires a license, a huge grizzly bear or tiger needs no permission/ license from any1

cos!!

montys right!in the republic of ireland anyone can keep exotics without a licence, you need one up north as far as i know but not here!as he said you need a licence for a dog but not for a tiger...

Our man in Havana

I keep a variety of exotics - I did briefly contemplate a Liger (tiger/lion cross breed) How ever I do not have the space or the cash for one - but give me an acre or 10 & €50k & I may reconsider larger exotics (when I open my mini zoo anyway!) However these animals are not for muppets! & lots of muppets want to buy my baby monkey & Jack is so not for sale!

However as stated anyone (sadly) can own any wild creature without a licence!

Discodog

Think how much nicer you would feel by rescuing one of the 17000 dogs that will be killed this year.

Our man in Havana

Discodog wrote: »

Think how much nicer you would feel by rescuing one of the 17000 dogs that will be killed this year.

Was that comment aimed at me?? Cause the 9 blooming dogs I have are more than enough - 8 of those were taken from rescues or were dumped on me. Only Holly my westie was bought for me! I also rescue cats, take in small animals & exotics too - I help do K99 runs if I can & collect for my local rescue - I also catch & neuter as many cats as I can - in fact I found cat number 15 in the road outside my place today - I suspect she is heavily pregnant - she will have her kittens - then she will be spayed & she will stay here with me.

Regardless of how many exotics I get - I will always help out with domestic animals - but sadly I do not have room for the 17000 dogs that will be PTS this year.

Discodog

Well I would of thought that it was obviously aimed at the original poster who wants a Wolf !!!!!!

Perhaps Moneypenny has got you all tired & irritable - you need a Martini !.

I just find it sad that people will choose a pedigree dog & pay a fortune when 1000s of wonderful dogs are literally dying for a home.

monty_python

cos!! wrote: »

montys right!in the republic of ireland anyone can keep exotics without a licence, you need one up north as far as i know but not here!as he said you need a licence for a dog but not for a tiger...

its a ridiculos situation. there is talk of dwa coming in here but that wont be for a few years yet...

meathstevie

It might not be Irish law but Ireland has signed up to a clutter of international treaties and agreements that prohibit the possession of and the trade in certain protected animals and products derived from those animals ( think about tiger bones or rhino horn in certain oriental medicines ) and to the best of my knowledge the European wolf is one of those animals. One of the only exceptions I'm aware of is animals bred in captivity ( certain breeds of parrot and turtles would be an example, also raptors reared for falconry from captive parents would fall under this condition ).

Our man in Havana

There is nothing in domestic law to enforce any of those provisions. The government need to enact the appropriate legislation to give these prohibitions the force of law.

monty_python

meathstevie wrote: »

It might not be Irish law but Ireland has signed up to a clutter of international treaties and agreements that prohibit the possession of and the trade in certain protected animals and products derived from those animals ( think about tiger bones or rhino horn in certain oriental medicines ) and to the best of my knowledge the European wolf is one of those animals. One of the only exceptions I'm aware of is animals bred in captivity ( certain breeds of parrot and turtles would be an example, also raptors reared for falconry from captive parents would fall under this condition ).

what you thinking off mate is "cities" papers. its forbibs the trade in certain endangered wild animals world wide but if they are captive bred and have the correct "cities" papers then its not a problem.
http://www.cites.org/eng/disc/how.shtml

Morganna

moonzmum wrote: »

Hi, would just like to point out that neither the czech wolf dog or the saarloos are wolf hybrid, they are both breeds of DOG, a hybrid is a first cross between a wolf and a dog. Also the Northern Inuit dog is the fore runner to the Utonagan, Tamaskan and british Inuit and has been closely bred like to like for over 20 years whereas the other 'breeds have been outcrossed to breeds such as the collie and akita. I have had NI for over 10 years and have been breeding for 7, I only have 1 litter per year if that, and can honestly say that they arent a breed for everyone, they can suffer from extreme seperation anxiety and do lots of damage if left alone for long periods, they hate to be alone and are extremely social animals, they are stubborn and wilful and will try to get the upper hand if allowed, they are very boisterous at play and some have very high prey drive so definately not a dog for the novice owner. They moult heavily twice a year, like to dig and ruin gardens, sounds bad eh, but the only breed for me lol, they are loving and loyal to their family, they can be aloof with strangers and dont make good guard dogs although mine will bark at strangers. There are always people out there who think they know the ins and outs of my breed, I would suggest they go to the breed club website to get as much info as possible. Although beautiful and very wolf like, the czech and saarloos are not proven to have the best of temperaments and I know of several that have proved to be escape artists. Definately read up as much info as possible before thinking about any 'wolf look a like', they arent all in sheeps clothing lol.

good information there i suggest you all read it

nanuq

yes it is legal im buying a timber wolf puppy in 3 weeks

byrneos

really or are you just paying over the odds for a wolf lookalike.
either way i hope you don't get it!

maybe you missed this
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showt...ight=chieftain

Wolfsberg

nanuq wrote: »

yes it is legal im buying a timber wolf puppy in 3 weeks

If you know you are buying one in 3 weeks then why did you start a thread last night asking if people here know any breeders???