Why is it "OK" to throw cigarette butts on the ground?

javaboy

In Dublin, there is no shortage of receptacles for rubbish.[every 20 to 40m on the city centre] Not binning them is just laziness, plain and simple.

Not binning them or finding some way to hang on to them until you can is laziness.

But it's ridiculous to suggest that there is no shortage of bins/receptacles in Dublin never mind anywhere else in the country.

j1smithy

javaboy wrote: »

Not binning them or finding some way to hang on to them until you can is laziness.

But it's ridiculous to suggest that there is no shortage of bins/receptacles in Dublin never mind anywhere else in the country.

Well I've yet to come across a county town in Ireland that lacks bins. or at a town in Ireland that lacks pubs and most pubs in my experience have those cig bins outside nowadays.

Mimikyu

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javaboy

j1smithy wrote: »

Well I've yet to come across a county town in Ireland that lacks bins. or at a town in Ireland that lacks pubs and most pubs in my experience have those cig bins outside nowadays.

Most of them will have bins all right but often not enough and some towns will have none of the cigarette friendly bins (although you can just stub it out thoroughly first and use the normal ones).

Terry

j1smithy wrote: »

It is rather lonely up here, thats probably because I cannot see anyone beneath me due to a thick layer of smoke.

Back to the OP, cig butts are a problem, but bins aren't the solution apparently. On the way home on a night out I pass a few pubs, all with those today fm cig bins outside, yet the ground is still covered in them. Some people have no respect for our environment.

Until I'm stopped by ManBearPig, I'll keep throwing them on the ground and I really don't give a flying fúck what any of you think of me for doing so.

Instead of complaining about the butts being thrown on the ground, go and petition the government to ban tobacco products altogether.

animaal

With issues like this, you really get both extremes of viewpoint. For every smug, tofu-eating environmentalist, there's a selfish, lazy, filthy, littering cnut.

Have to say, I'm leaning towards the tofu on this one.

Terry

animaal wrote: »

With issues like this, you really get both extremes of viewpoint. For every smug, tofu-eating environmentalist, there's a selfish, lazy, filthy, littering cnut.

Have to say, I'm leaning towards the tofu on this one.

The boys in the club love the fashion parade...

javaboy

Terry wrote: »

Until I'm stopped by ManBearPig, I'll keep throwing them on the ground and I really don't give a flying fúck what any of you think of me for doing so.

At least you're honest and not trying to justify it as some Ghandi-esque civil disobedience rubbish.

Instead of complaining about the butts being thrown on the ground, go and petition the government to ban tobacco products altogether.

Careful what you wish for. I'd say that could be coming down the pipeline before too long. I'm very anti-smoking but I don't want to see it banned. Regulation isn't always the solution.

animaal wrote: »

With issues like this, you really get both extremes of viewpoint. For every smug, tofu-eating environmentalist, there's a selfish, lazy, filthy, littering cnut.

Have to say, I'm leaning towards the tofu on this one.

Tofu and smoking are both manky. There's always a middle ground.

javaboy

Terry wrote: »

The boys in the club love the fashion parade...

I hate that ad.

Kintarō Hattori

ojewriej wrote: »

That was one guy.

It's like with all the rubish - it's definitely not a cool thing to do, but if you are telling me that you've never dropped a piece of paper when you shouldn;t have, then I just don't believe you.

Having grown up with parents who were involved in the local tidy towns I can tell you that I have never once intentionally dropped a piece of litter on the ground.

r3nu4l wrote: »

It's not just Ireland that has a problem with litter!! :eek:

BBC News

Also, having been to a number of European cities and countries I can safely say that there are litter and grafitti problems there too. Berlin is terrible as is the south of Italy. In many other European countries we simply notice the litter less because they employ more people to pick up litter than we do here. Sad but true.

EDIT: By 'here' I mean Ireland, I sometimes forget that I'm living in England *sigh*

Why bring up that story r3nu4l? Accept that we have a problem, as do other countries but lets try to deal with it. I'm aware other european cities can have a problem with litter but there IS in many places a healthier attitude towards the disposal of rubbish and we need to work on that here. It needs to be made absolutely unacceptable to dispose of your waste on the street.

Havermeyer

I don't think it's OK, but I have a 20/25 minute walk home from work and there isn't one bin along the way, so I can see why some people can. I am also guilty of this. I don't like throwing them on the ground, but I'll be fúcked if I'm putting it in my pocket till I get home.

j1smithy

nummnutts wrote: »

I don't think it's OK, but I have a 20/25 minute walk home from work and there isn't one bin along the way, so I can see why some people can. I am also guilty of this. I don't like throwing them on the ground, but I'll be fúcked if I'm putting it in my pocket till I get home.

You could carry it in your hand. Or here's a radical idea, how about not smoke until you know of a place you can dispose of it?

Nerin

Why is it "OK" to throw cigarette butts on the ground?

because us smokers are teh cool and we do what we want :pac:

all smokers are -

1. icky
2. smelly
3. evil
4. killing you

we are bold

Havermeyer

j1smithy wrote: »

You could carry it in your hand. Or here's a radical idea, how about not smoke until you know of a place you can dispose of it?

With thinking like that you should be president. However, in a country where smoking has been outlawed in every public building, there should be more bins for people to put their cigarette butts in.

j1smithy

nummnutts wrote: »

With thinking like that you should be president. However, in a country where smoking has been outlawed in every public building, there should be more bins for people to put their cigarette butts in.

The problem is lazy smokers.There are already plenty of bins, but as already pointed out bins are not the solution. If there were bins every 2m on the streets, they still wouldn't put them in it!

Nerin

j1smithy wrote: »

The problem is lazy smokers.There are already plenty of bins, but as already pointed out bins are not the solution. If there were bins every 2m on the streets, they still wouldn't put them in it!

Yes i would...Well me anyway. There aren't enough. We seriously need more.

javaboy

j1smithy wrote: »

The problem is lazy smokers.There are already plenty of bins, but as already pointed out bins are not the solution. If there were bins every 2m on the streets, they still wouldn't put them in it!

Let's just make it clear that there are 3 groups of smokers. Those who would never under any circumstances throw a butt on the ground, those who would only do it when there's not a bin reasonably near and those who will leave a butt on the ground even if there are plenty of bins within easy reach.

The people in that last group are not lazy. There's something else entirely wrong with them and it probably affects more than just their smoking/littering habits.

greatgoal

but liike,where else can you throw them...giggity:p

GrumPy

It does my head in too. Hate seeing people do it. Smoking itself is disgusting. :eek:

tech77

Tossing fags, stinky butts, sh1tting on the street...

This thread isn't really about littering is it?

JC 2K3

javaboy wrote: »

Yeah it is weird all right. It seems to be socially acceptable even to a lot of non-smokers.

What's the problem then? If most people find it socially acceptable, it's hardly a problem. That's democracy for you

On occasion I've been sitting on the grass somewhere with a lot of cigarette butts, and it's slightly annoying, but in general it's not something I have a massive problem with if there're no bins/empty beer bottles/cans close by.

I don't smoke apart from the occasional cigarette when drinking or joints. Once I put the end of one in my pocket instinctively, since I'm not in the habit of throwing things on the ground. The next morning, my jeans stunk - not something I'll be doing again. Cigarette butts are not something which can be put in ones pocket until a bin is found.

Considering the persecution that smokers have to endure, I have to say I empathise with them enough not to have a problem with this.

Havermeyer

j1smithy wrote: »

The problem is lazy smokers.There are already plenty of bins, but as already pointed out bins are not the solution. If there were bins every 2m on the streets, they still wouldn't put them in it!

Those "lazy smokers" give all smokers a bad name. Most of the time I light my smoke at a time that I know that when I've finished it I will either be at a bin, or will be at my destination. However, this doesn't always happen. And the lack of bins in this country doesn't make this easy.

Nerin

GrumPy wrote: »

It does my head in too. Hate seeing people do it. Smoking itself is disgusting. :eek:

Yawn. Heard it all before. I can't wait until some smartass smoker brings the government to court and is rewarded lots of money over their stupid ads or lack of bins. They did it to mc donalds when shock horror,eating fatty food turned out to be bad for ya too. Then maybe next time someone wants to mouth off at smokers for being gross with their filthy habit,people will think twice. :rolleyes:

xOxSinéadxOx

because a fag butt is tiny. a crisp packet isn't

javaboy

JC 2K3 wrote: »

What's the problem then? If most people find it socially acceptable, it's hardly a problem. That's democracy for you

I didn't say most people. I said "even to a lot of non-smokers". I'd say a majority of people would be opposed to people throwing their butts on the ground but there would be a large amount of people who wouldn't be bothered.

Cigarette butts are not something which can be put in ones pocket until a bin is found.

Considering the persecution that smokers have to endure, I have to say I empathise with them enough not to have a problem with this.

But there are simple solutions to the problem of storing cigarette butts until a bin can be found. Some of them are very small and neat and airtight so the smell doesn't stink up your clothes. It seems to me that the people who do this are just too lazy/inconsiderate to buy a portable cigarette butt holder or refrain from smoking when there's no bin around. They want a special exception to be made for them to litter.

Nerin

At least they aren't giant cuban cigars

javaboy

Nerin wrote: »

At least they aren't giant cuban cigars

Easier for litter collectors to pick up :pac:

JC 2K3

javaboy wrote: »

But there are simple solutions to the problem of storing cigarette butts until a bin can be found. Some of them are very small and neat and airtight so the smell doesn't stink up your clothes. It seems to me that the people who do this are just too lazy/inconsiderate to buy a portable cigarette butt holder or refrain from smoking when there's no bin around. They want a special exception to be made for them to litter.

I've never seen these promoted. Nor would I have the slightest clue where to buy one.(besides online)

Calling people lazy/inconsiderate for doing something which is a socially acceptable norm is silly.

javaboy

JC 2K3 wrote: »

I've never seen these promoted. Nor would I have the slightest clue where to buy one.(besides online)

Neither have I but I guessed they might exist, made the slightest bit of effort and voila, I found somewhere to buy them very cheaply. Admittedly that's over the internet but I'd be surprised if nowhere in Ireland is selling them. It's laziness to use the lack of bins as an excuse to litter when there are other solutions available.

Calling people lazy/inconsiderate for doing something which is a socially acceptable norm is silly.

I don't think it is socially acceptable to the majority of people but even if it was, drink driving was once socially acceptable. I think drink drivers were as inconsiderate then as they are now. Is that also silly?

j1smithy

JC 2K3 wrote: »

What's the problem then? If most people find it socially acceptable, it's hardly a problem. That's democracy for you

On occasion I've been sitting on the grass somewhere with a lot of cigarette butts, and it's slightly annoying, but in general it's not something I have a massive problem with if there're no bins/empty beer bottles/cans close by.

I don't smoke apart from the occasional cigarette when drinking or joints. Once I put the end of one in my pocket instinctively, since I'm not in the habit of throwing things on the ground. The next morning, my jeans stunk - not something I'll be doing again. Cigarette butts are not something which can be put in ones pocket until a bin is found.

Considering the persecution that smokers have to endure, I have to say I empathise with them enough not to have a problem with this.

I assume this grass you talk of is the Pav in Trinity College. Well I have been there during the month of May this year and I have to say the place was a mess. Whatever about other places in the country, they have plenty of bins around, if not put them in an empty can, but no, they were tossed on the grass. Just that illustrates that many smokers just don't care about the environment and the extra costs associated with cleaning up after them.