Cotto V Margarito

nacho libre

I'm making a thread about this one because i think this could be a truly great fight. I think Cotto will win inside the distance (round seven) but it should prove to be quite a fight while it lasts!

Big Ears

This will be a brutal war, I'm fancying Cotto to come through on points .
Margarito is as tough as they come and while Cotto will be able to choose whether to box him or fight him I think he's going to stand toe to toe with him and slug it out .

I love how active Cotto has been, taking on Quintana, Urkal, Judah, Mosley, Gomez and now Margarito in just over a year and a half at Welterweight .

Bar Gomez all those guys are legitimate top 10 and Mosley was probably the strongest other guy in the division after Mayweather .
If he carries on in this current manner he will surpass Trinidad before long .

Anyway this has fight of the year written all over it .

T-K-O

Yeah I agree this could very well be fight of the year. Cotto is the man and his activity is amazing if only more boxers would do likewise.

IMO Cotto will stop him. If Cotto wins he would be up there with Pac for the l4l best.

nacho libre

Speaking of the Mosley fight it was impressive how Cotto was able to take Mosely's biggest shots. Also, Mosley wasn't able to boss him around the ring either.
I agree about Cotto taking on the best. Unlike certain other fighters, there can be no debate about Cotto's pedigree as a fighter. He has ducked no one. That's why i admire him and Hatton so much.

nacho libre

T-K-O wrote: »

Yeah I agree this could very well be fight of the year. Cotto is the man and his activity is amazing if only more boxers would do likewise.

IMO Cotto will stop him. If Cotto wins he would be up there with Pac for the l4l best.

Well, it will be a good fight but it will take something special to emulate the Marquez v Vasquez fight from earlier this year

DiscoHugh

I'm so pumped for this fight. Telling anybody who'll listen to check it out. This is a sure fire slugfest.
Check out Lampley's sign off after the gomez/cintron fights "if you like violence..." appealing to the bloodlust in us all.

Though I can't possibly seeing it surpass vasquez marquez III as fight of the year it'll be up there.

Aaron M

I absolutely cannot wait for this fight. I'm a big fan of Margarito and I hope he wins, but the smart money has to go on Cotto. He's the superior boxer.

Running Bing

Potentially fight of the year.



Both fighters made for each other.



Having said that I do feel Cotto is a step above and should take it comfortably enough (perhaps with a few scares) inside eight.



Cotto is the natural successor to Floyd imo.....still disappointed we never got to see a fight between them:(

cowzerp

i cant wait for this 1...

Money Shot

Really looking forward to this one. Margarito was relentless against Cintron last time out - he faced him head on and took everything he had and gave it back with interest. He kept close to Cintron and never let him swing from range.

Cotto is a different proposition than Cintron, but Margarito showed in that fight that he has what it takes to make it really interesting. Could be a shock on the cards as Cotto has been in trouble before from lesser opponents. It will be very intersting to see how Margarito approaches the fight, although he is a mexican, so I think we can for granted how he will respond to Cotto's bombs.

buck65

I think Cotto wins easily here!!
Cintron was overhyped , Margarito to an extent is unproven at this class.

Hero Of College

Big Ears wrote: »

This will be a brutal war, I'm fancying Cotto to come through on points .
Margarito is as tough as they come and while Cotto will be able to choose whether to box him or fight him I think he's going to stand toe to toe with him and slug it out .

I love how active Cotto has been, taking on Quintana, Urkal, Judah, Mosley, Gomez and now Margarito in just over a year and a half at Welterweight .

Bar Gomez all those guys are legitimate top 10 and Mosley was probably the strongest other guy in the division after Mayweather .
If he carries on in this current manner he will surpass Trinidad before long .

Anyway this has fight of the year written all over it .

Was the Urkal to whom you refer OKTAY URKAL? Cos if he was, then him AND Gomez go into the scrapheap together.

ODD-JOB

This will be a fantastic match-up here .
Im glad everybody identifys this to be such a potentially great fight !!!!!

I used to think Margarito was slow , and would be found out sooner than later . Quintana beat him and I thought I knew Margarito's limits.........
I was wrong ,.... Margarito is possibly the toughest fighter p4p I know. that fight with Cintron proved his worth.
Cintron is known to be one of the hardest hitters in the division, but margatito could take it all night.

His timing beat Cintron's speed and power.
For 2 such hard hitters , its surprisingly likely to go the distance !
If styles make fights , then this is one to remember.



p.s. - if anybody watched J.Ceasar chavez jnr at the weekend ,.. that got to rate up there with one of the best of the year so far.

Big Ears

Hero Of College wrote: »

Was the Urkal to whom you refer OKTAY URKAL? Cos if he was, then him AND Gomez go into the scrapheap together.

No it was this guy http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=42225&cat=boxer :rolleyes:

Quintana, Mosley, Judah and Margarito should all be ignored of course because we should judge fighters by the weakest they've faced not the best............

ODD-JOB it was actually Paul Williams who beat Margarito(in a close fight), Quintana then outboxed Williams and Williams got revenge recently by taking Quintanta out in a round .

I agree that it will have to do a hell of a lot to beat Vasquez v Marquez III , but I think it's capable of that . I'm surprised with people picking Cotto for the stoppage, yes he brutalises people but Margarito is one of those guys you don't stop .

joepenguin

I can see this going all the way but not without its fair share of knockdowns.
I hope setanta do what they did with Haye-Maccarenelli and show previous fight of theirs in the week and in the build up

Big Ears

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n9udDEHhxs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYEye8lgDjA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrRJ8zsdUTw

There is the HBO Countdown to Cotto v Margarito

slipss

I don't know why people write Margarito off so easily. I think alot of people are put off by his record, 5 loses in 35(right?) fights, But you have to look at the situations surrounding those loses. I mean he was fighting pro from the age of 15, if he hadn't have lost a few of his early fights then I think we could all agree it would have been miraculas. One of his other loses was in a fight stopped after 4 because of mutual cuts and having seen it I'm convinced he would have went on to stopped it at will in the later rounds. Then Williams, well he lost that and he deserved to lose but everyone is allowed one mistake. I have been following Margarito as best I could for a few years and looking forward to Mayweather fighting him in the last while, but not for 8 million, not for 80 million seems to be floyds attitude to that possibility, same goes for mosely, and if you have ever seen the panic envelope winky wright when Margaritos name is mentioned in an interview you will know he is of the same opinion "avoid this crazy dangerous bastard at all costs". Anto in the 11th, TKO, I sh1t you not.

nacho libre

slipss wrote: »

I don't know why people write Margarito off so easily. I think alot of people are put off by his record, 5 loses in 35(right?) fights, But you have to look at the situations surrounding those loses. I mean he was fighting pro from the age of 15, if he hadn't have lost a few of his early fights then I think we could all agree it would have been miraculas. One of his other loses was in a fight stopped after 4 because of mutual cuts and having seen it I'm convinced he would have went on to stopped it at will in the later rounds. Then Williams, well he lost that and he deserved to lose but everyone is allowed one mistake. I have been following Margarito as best I could for a few years and looking forward to Mayweather fighting him in the last while, but not for 8 million, not for 80 million seems to be floyds attitude to that possibility, same goes for mosely, and if you have ever seen the panic envelope winky wright when Margaritos name is mentioned in an interview you will know he is of the same opinion "avoid this crazy dangerous bastard at all costs". Anto in the 11th, TKO, I sh1t you not.

Funningly enough i have a feeling he could do it. If he does i think it will be in the 4th or fifth found.

Big Ears

I'm certainly not writing off Margarito, he's an extremely tough opponent not just for Cotto now but probably for any Welterweight ever . He's got a chin of iron, loads of power, keeps coming forward, throws lost of shots, can be a bit crude but nowhere near as much as another Mexican former title holder with similar strengths(Daniel Ponce De Leon) .

However I've been watching Cotto from almost the very start of his career and straight away you could see he was special . The only question was how special ?

With the stars of our sport starting to become inactive, retire and joining Golden Boy Promotions, we have to replace De La Hoya, Hopkins, Mosely, Barrera, Morales, Mayweather(apparently), Jones jnr, Calzaghe, Trinidad and Gatti as the marquee names in our sport . Any names on that list that are still fighting probably won't be in 2 years time .

Even the less well known elite fighters such as Juan Manuel Marquez(35 next month) and Joel Casamayor(37) who are fighting for what is recognised by some as the Lightweight championship of the World soon don't have enough time left to fill the other guys shoes .

and so the sport looks to new stars, Manny Pacquiao(thought of by most as the best fighter on the planet now p4p), Kelly Pavlik and perhaps most significantly Miguel Angel Cotto .

Cotto has the problem of not only having to try and live up to his promise of becoming one of the biggest names in the sport, but he also has to live up to the legend of Felix Trinidad . To make things worse for Cotto, Trinidad of course spent the vast majority of his career at Welterweight, destroying almost everything that crossed his path .

Cotto is adored in his home country of Puerto Rico, not as much as Trinidad mind you but he never will be either . Trinidad seemingly went to great lengths to protect his image as a Boricuan warrior . Trinidad never supposedly learned English but it has been shown he seems to understand it completely and strong rumours have always existed that he is actually fluent .
Cotto on the otherhand has openly learned English and tried to become not just a Puerto Rican star but a Worldwide one who is particularly adored in the United States .

Cotto will probably never get the adulation of the iconic figure that is Trinidad, but I believe he will surpass him in his boxing legacy .
Many people in recent years probably came to think of Cotto as a more cultured Margarito, a destroyer of men but with decent technique .

However few probably remembered how good a technical fighter Cotto was in his early career(he was also an Olympian) till he outboxed 'Sugar' Shane Mosely . That proved a huge shock to many, it also proved that Cotto is far from a one dimensional fighter(something you can criticise Margarito of)


This is the fight that will turn Miguel Cotto into a superstar, he will go toe to toe with Margarito from the start and if he can't win like that he'll do it the less entertaining way . Cotto if he wins tonight looks likely to face Oscar De La Hoya in a huge money fight next, win that and he could probably encourage a certain Mayweather to step into the ring again .
Tonight he's getting $5 million dollars, a career highest(Margarito is also getting a career highest of $1.5 million) . If Cotto does the job tonight purses like that could become routine .

Margarito has a huge opportunity presented in front of himself tonight . He wants to break into that elite level that a guy like Cotto is at and with that comes elite money . Margarito has already won the WBO and IBF titles and were he to defeat Cotto and pick up the WBA it would certainly enhance his own legacy(for those who like to count belts) .

The USA was once known as the land of opportunity and for one Mexican and one Puerto Rican that's exactly what it is tonight, but greatness overcomes the very very good and Cotto shall overcome Margarito in a major fight that doesn't dissapoint for once .

Cotto UD

cowzerp

Very well written and all makes sense, cant wait for this, alarm set for 3am...:D

DiscoHugh

kicks off on Setanta at 3:00 am but I wonder if they're showing any of the undercard?
Trying to schedule my stumbling in the door just right for the main event

DiscoHugh

Big Ears wrote: »

However few probably remembered how good a technical fighter Cotto was in his early career(he was also an Olympian) till he outboxed 'Sugar' Shane Mosely . That proved a huge shock to many, it also proved that Cotto is far from a one dimensional fighter(something you can criticise Margarito of)

This was a key fight for me. I always liked Cotto but came to think of him (after the Torres fight) as some kind of "rich man's Gatti" if that makes sense. Seeing him box circles around Mosley (and for my money he won handily) Having picked Mosley to outpoint him really made me realize how good of a boxer he really is.

Big Ears

DiscoHugh wrote: »

kicks off on Setanta at 3:00 am but I wonder if they're showing any of the undercard?
Trying to schedule my stumbling in the door just right for the main event

I've the same plan, although whatever way it is with what time they close the local nightclub, how long it takes me to get food, and how long it takes me to walk home it always seems to be 3 o'clock on the dot . So I should be right in time for the action .

All I have to do is remember the bloody thing is on which won't be a given

Brad Goodman

can anybody recommend a good site where this fight will be streamed from? i'm staying over with the missus and she hasn't got setanta. ta

ODD-JOB

DiscoHugh wrote: »

Seeing him box circles around Mosley (and for my money he won handily)

Are you for real hugh ? .... Cotto was on his bike for the last few rounds,... Shane had him hurt , and had more left at the end than Cotto had.

I dont know , but I dont see the "invincbility" streak thats conveyed whilst talking Migel Cotto

SantryRed

Brad Goodman wrote: »

can anybody recommend a good site where this fight will be streamed from? i'm staying over with the missus and she hasn't got setanta. ta

+1

~Marky~

I think they are showing it here http://www.justin.tv/johnnyviera

nacho libre

also...
http://www.justin.tv/sportinwood

http://www.justin.tv/mstv3

nacho libre

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=207187&cl=8950067&ch=2567510&src=sports

cotto-margarito's undercard on yahoo now

ODD-JOB

excellent,........ anybody know what undercard fights coming up next ?

slipss

Ouch......what a head smash

SantryRed

Wow

Aaron M

MARGARITO!!!!!!!!

What a legend!

yomchi

What a fight, Margarito is class, pure class. What a warrior.
Well deserved win.

nacho libre

i could see that was going to happen from round 4 onwards. Margarito gets stronger as a fight goes on and he was hurting Cotto when he landed. whereas Cotto was landing the cleaner punches for most of the fight but it was having little effect on Margarito. So as Cotto tired Margarito's punches were landing more and more with the inevitable result.

Aaron M

The guy is just relentless. It's like he can't be hurt!

ODD-JOB

Did anybody see the "compu-box" numbers ?

Apparently , Margarito landed 247 power shots , out of 645 thrown.

thats not including jabs or anything !!
he averaged 64 power shots a round

Crazy stuff !!

Also , I want to see the judges uncompleted scorecards up to that point

slipss

Margarito? 11th round tko? Not a chance.

Hero Of College

I got the winner correct alright, but not for the reasons I thought I would. Cotto lost this fight for 5 reasons, in order of declining importance

1. He fought a stupid fight by going to the ropes, he should have kept it at the centre of the ring all night where his better balance and skills allowed him to get off and score points. At the end of the 4th he got it into his head that he could just do what he wanted on the ropes. Bad mistake.

2.His nose. He couldn't breathe, he slowed down and he went to the ropes for a breather. Think Marquez vs Vasquez I. Once the nose got so bad, Margarito just dictated the pace, and that hurt Cotto more.

3.His punches didn't hurt Margarito. He couldn not therefore keep Margarito off him, and so he couldn't win. Now, he didn't need the big punch, just lots of small ones, but that went out the window once he stayed on the ropes eating shots. We have to remember Cotto came UP from 140 and Margarito has fought comfortably at 154.

4.Margarito. Funnily enough it doesn't help if your opponent just keeps coming. That said, Carmen Basilio would have stopped Cotto in around 8 or 9 rounds tonight too.

5. Facial damage and head clashes. Seemed to take a lot out of Cotto. He blessed himself coming out for the last 3 rounds, thats when I knew he was done.

I thought Margarito would beat Cotto by catching him with the same shot Chop Corley or Torres caught him with, wobbling him and putting him down. I didn't think Margarito would beat him to a bloody mess after 11 rounds having arguably lost as many rounds as he won {I had Cotto winning 4 of the first 5, or 5 of the first 6, and the 9th}

Now Hear This: I am satisfied that Margarito will NEVER land a single, home run money punch on Cotto once Cotto fights his own fight. Thats why I am picking Cotto to WIN THE REMATCH.

Hero Of College

Aaron M wrote: »

The guy is just relentless. It's like he can't be hurt!

Please......:rolleyes::rolleyes: I promise you, I picked "Tonyo" to win tonight, but Cotto will beat him, beat him easily in the rematch, provided he fights to his strengths and not to his opponents strenghts.

Hero Of College

nacho libre wrote: »

Speaking of the Mosley fight it was impressive how Cotto was able to take Mosely's biggest shots. Also, Mosley wasn't able to boss him around the ring either.
I agree about Cotto taking on the best. Unlike certain other fighters, there can be no debate about Cotto's pedigree as a fighter. He has ducked no one. That's why i admire him and Hatton so much.

Once again, Mosley started at 135. Judah at 140. Oktay Urkal...also at 140. Kelso...140.

I picked Margarito off his natural height advantage and activity rate. As I said, the fight didn't pan out like I thought, and Cottos demise was ultimately hastened by 1 bad decision and 1 bad injury.

Cottos pedigree, and that of Margarito, at least vis a vis fighting the best, are undoubted.

Mayweather just is not at the races, but the wee sh!t that he is he will be in the background talking sh!t about being "undefeated"...of course he will love a shot at Cotto now. Guess what...Cotto beats him.

Another "proxy" win for Floyd tonight I'm afraid.

Hero Of College

slipss wrote: »

I don't know why people write Margarito off so easily. I think alot of people are put off by his record, 5 loses in 35(right?) fights, But you have to look at the situations surrounding those loses. I mean he was fighting pro from the age of 15, if he hadn't have lost a few of his early fights then I think we could all agree it would have been miraculas. One of his other loses was in a fight stopped after 4 because of mutual cuts and having seen it I'm convinced he would have went on to stopped it at will in the later rounds. Then Williams, well he lost that and he deserved to lose but everyone is allowed one mistake. I have been following Margarito as best I could for a few years and looking forward to Mayweather fighting him in the last while, but not for 8 million, not for 80 million seems to be floyds attitude to that possibility, same goes for mosely, and if you have ever seen the panic envelope winky wright when Margaritos name is mentioned in an interview you will know he is of the same opinion "avoid this crazy dangerous bastard at all costs". Anto in the 11th, TKO, I sh1t you not.

Well in.

Williams, as I said before, was a style thing. Santos was a 154 thing, and he wasn't even beaten properly. The other losses were the sort that are inevitably suffered by Mexican teenage fighters.

I thought Margarito would stop him, but in a more conventional fashion. Big uppercut, wobbled, and down.

The nasal injury played a big, big part.

I'll be taking advantage of the wishy-washies on Betfair by backing COTTO in the Re.

ODD-JOB

Hero Of College wrote: »

Now Hear This: I am satisfied that Margarito will NEVER land a single, home run money punch on Cotto once Cotto fights his own fight. Thats why I am picking Cotto to WIN THE REMATCH.

You must be on the beer tonight :rolleyes:

I agree , We have seen the first bout of a legendary Trilogy !

slipss

Hero Of College wrote: »

Now Hear This: I am satisfied that Margarito will NEVER land a single, home run money punch on Cotto once Cotto fights his own fight. Thats why I am picking Cotto to WIN THE REMATCH.

Well the fact is anyone playing completely to thier strenghts, making the fight into the type of fight they want, is going to win. The thing is doing that with a rabid mexican lump of steel with fists coming straight at you round after round smiling when you catch him with your best shots and landing as hard as he does in the 10th as he did in the 1st kinda messes with the gameplan a bit. But I had Cotto 2 maybe 3 points up untill he took the knee. He was winning the fight for most of the fight, but that means nothing if you are backing around the ring like a zombie when in the final stretch with your opponent marching after you like the terminator.

ODD-JOB

You'd wonder if they'll ever find Marg taking steroids ?!!!
He's got un-human like endurance and stamina.
Dosent seem to tire at all , does he ?

Just thinking out loud .....

dlofnep

Wow, Cotto had nothing. I really expected him to get a decision, but Margarito was all over him in that fight.

Aaron M

Hero Of College wrote: »

Please......:rolleyes::rolleyes: I promise you, I picked "Tonyo" to win tonight, but Cotto will beat him, beat him easily in the rematch, provided he fights to his strengths and not to his opponents strenghts.

Doesn't change the fact that Tony seemingly cannot be hurt. Cotto may beat him, but he won't hurt him. Which is what you seemed to be replying to in my post - I'm not sure how you felt the need to re-iterate your amazing 'prediction' skills based on that comment.

Oh, and just for the record, I predicted Margarito for the TKO win (I was 1 round out).

Aaron M

ODD-JOB wrote: »

You'd wonder if they'll ever find Marg taking steroids ?!!!
He's got un-human like endurance and stamina.
Dosent seem to tire at all , does he ?

Just thinking out loud .....

Margarito is just a force of nature. He's a crude fighter at times (well, most of the time) but damn he brings it like no-one else!

walshb

Anyone happen to catch the weigh in?
Though both tipped in at 147, AM loooked a hell
of a lot bigger. He was 4 inches taller than MC.

I've seen a fair few weigh ins, but this looked
so strange. Both guys equal weight and both looked
worlds apart

Hero Of College

ODD-JOB wrote: »

You must be on the beer tonight :rolleyes:

I agree , We have seen the first bout of a legendary Trilogy !

Hey, were we both not correct tonight? I'll get it right again. When Cotto endured difficulties against Torres and Corley it was because he was getting hit by single hard shots to the temple {with his fukcing back to the ropes:mad::mad:}. Think Marquez-Vasquez. Tony never shook him with single big shots, just lots of them, to the head of a wounded fighter.

Cotto:

1. Needs to keep moving and slipping in the Re. His lateral movement in the first 4 rounds last night? Umm-Umm-Umm!!
2.Needs to go to the body more. A lot more.
3. Needs to reassure himself that he is the superior boxer.

Hero Of College

Aaron M wrote: »

Margarito is just a force of nature. He's a crude fighter at times (well, most of the time) but damn he brings it like no-one else!

No, he's not. Forces of nature don't lose to Santos. If Margarito is a Force of Nature, then Segei Dzinduruk must be like, I don't know, the Holy Spirit or something. And Neil Sinclair must be a strong breeze coupled with a heavy shower and a small tidal wave.

What he is is a brave, well conditioned man who picked the right tactics {the only ones available to him} and fought his heart out against a guy who made 1 mistake in the whole fight and suffered 1 injury, which combined to leave him, in tandem, open to an awful lot of Tonys amateurish swings.

In a way, for me, Tony is like the Vitali Klitschko of 147. Awkward, tough, lanky but effective and driven. He didn't lift Cotto off his feet, he beat him to his knees, when the man could no longer breath. Very good fight, very good performances- and I am picking Cotto next time out.