Arsenal Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

event

clichy is the only choice for ye, giving it to fabregas would burden him even more, the chap needs pressure taken off him, not more put on.

it will be given to almunia but it should be clichy

tred

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

He needs to go now. He's always been a headcase, can't see him reacting well to this. Like Campbell he'll probably leave for nothing and go on to play well enough for his next team while Arsenal struggle to get a decent centre back in.

At least Wenger has the cop to react. Hes let him off with enough. hes set us back years, the squad was so much more together before he arrived. Ill be glad to see the back of him in January and you know, when we had senderos and toure playing for a while, we looked so solid season before last. Now, were leaking goals all over the place, and i think hes being playing for most of them. Its just so hard to even find a world class centre back, gallas was supposed to be one of these. Whos out there.

yahoo_moe

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

How do you know, I'm sure arguments go on.

Exactly - we really have no idea what goes on about 95% of the time... we only see matches which, while important, aren't enough to know the full story.

tred wrote:

At least Wenger has the cop to react.

Wrong time for me - press say Arsenal crisis with crap captain, Wenger reacts by firing captain. It just doesn't seems right to react to his very public, spur-of-the-moment sins with a very public, spur-of-the-moment punishment.

tred wrote:

Now, were leaking goals all over the place, and i think hes being playing for most of them.

And so was Almunia, and so was Theo, and so was Clichy - even given that a lot of goals came through the centre, there's still Denilson as well. I'm not defending Gallas completely but you can't just automatically attribute that kind of blame on that kind of basis.

Only plus side is that Wenger's shown he's not afraid to act - even when we can't really afford to leave players out of a squad. But wrong time for me.

EDIT: Though obviously I only see 95% either.

gosplan

yahoo_moe wrote: »

Wrong time for me - press say Arsenal crisis with crap captain, Wenger reacts by firing captain. It just doesn't seems right to react to his very public, spur-of-the-moment sins with a very public, spur-of-the-moment punishment.

I think Wenger's probably put off reacting to Gallas for long enough as opposed to reacting too quickly here.

It's really a difficult thing to give someone the captaincy and then take them off it the next summer - which is why I think he didn't do it sooner.

At this stage though, I think Wenger probably feels that it's not going to get any better under Billy.

To be honest I agree with this point of view. There's a serious rot in Arsenal at the moment. Player's hankering for moves over the last two years, people not being happy at the club and results all over the place. This isn't the usual up and down spell that teams get every so often, it's far more negative. If Gallas isn't partly responsible, then it's clear he's not going to solve it.

Frisbee

event wrote: »

clichy is the only choice for ye, giving it to fabregas would burden him even more, the chap needs pressure taken off him, not more put on.

Another two years and I would gladly give it to Clichy. In fact I sincerely hope he is at the club in another few years so we can give him the captaincy. I have nothing but good words to say about the guy.

However he's only been a first team regular for two years and, like Fab, I'm not sure he's ready to stand up to the added burden of captaincy.
Kolo or Almunia, hopefully Kolo.

leninbenjamin

Frisbee wrote: »

Another two years and I would gladly give it to Clichy. In fact I sincerely hope he is at the club in another few years so we can give him the captaincy. I have nothing but good words to say about the guy.

However he's only been a first team regular for two years and, like Fab, I'm not sure he's ready to stand up to the added burden of captaincy.
Kolo or Almunia, hopefully Kolo.

I'd rather Almunia tbh. His contributions for the past few seasons have been seriously underrated. He's the only player on the Arsenal pitch who seems to actively communicate with those around them, and he's one of the few who give a sh*t while retaining an air of composure. Finally, he's one of the few players i can remember in the past year who was actively encouraging his team mates, as opposed to continually berating them in the Henry/Gallas mode of captaincy.

Kolo on the other hand is a passive player, relatively quiet on the pitch, particularly for a centre half, a pretty awful organiser of defence when it falls to him, and overall a really good player, but far from being a leader.

I think we had this conversation over a year ago, and back then i wanted Kolo, but over the past year what with his woeful form and some atrocious communication and decision making at times I think i can see why Wenger didn't give it to him in the first place.

OPENROAD

Apparently Arsene will talk about the Billy Gallas situation after the Man City match, think much of what we have heard today is speculation.

Interesting that Roy Keane has come out and has indirectly backed Gallas.

Quazzie

OPENROAD wrote: »

Interesting that Roy Keane has come out and has indirectly backed Gallas.

He might be interested in buying him. He'd be the type of shite player that would be suit at the stadium of light.

Quazzie2002

Quazzie2002 wrote: »

He might be interested in buying him. He'd be the type of shite player that would be suit at the stadium of light.

lol :Dyeah exactly he can fcuk off and join djouff, cisse and all the other eccentrics that roy gives a chance to.

Galvasean

Supermanscat wrote: »

No but at the same time Ronaldo hasn't been in the centre of any fighting the way Adebayor, Bendtner and the other two players after the Spurs game have been. I agree Ronaldo's character during the summer was questionable but that was during the summer. He's not fighting in dressing rooms after games.....

I'm willing to bet there was some in fighting after the 'winker' fiasco between him and Rooney. This sort of in fighting happens and passes unheard of all the time in football. Like Royale with Cheese said, we just have a twat of a captain revealing all to peddle his book.

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

lol :Dyeah exactly he can fcuk off and join djouff, cisse and all the other eccentrics that roy gives a chance to.

Arsenal could do with Cisse at the moment.

jaykay74

Gallas would be fine elsewhere I'd say outside the top 6. Just not as captain though

Quazzie2002 wrote: »

He might be interested in buying him. He'd be the type of shite player that would be suit at the stadium of light.

Deleted User wrote: »

lol :Dyeah exactly he can fcuk off and join djouff, cisse and all the other eccentrics that roy gives a chance to.

yahoo_moe

leninbenjamin wrote: »

Kolo... a pretty awful organiser of defence when it falls to him... his woeful form and some atrocious communication and decision making at times

Personally, I don't mind quietness on the pitch in a captain (I think most of the preparation should be done already, that most of a captain's job is about off-the-pitch behaviour and that it should be more down to the manager to organise the team on the day anyway) but I'd agree that Kolo would be a poor choice. At the moment, he isn't (and shouldn't be) an automatic first-teamer so he can't really be made captain - and the team's already suffered from having a captain that should probably have been dropped from time to time but couldn't be.

As for who should get it (if it doesn't stay with Gallas, that is), probably Almunia - it shouldn't take captaincy for him to organise his defence but at least his attitude seems generally good and he'll always be playing. I wouldn't mind Fabregas myself (his current form shouldn't count against him) but if there's a chance he's going to bugger off during the summer, then it shouldn't even be considered.

Fuzzy_Dunlop

This whole situation is ridiculous at this stage. Hopefully Wenger will be able to clarify things in his press conference. Interesting that during the week he was talking up Djourou's quality, so maybe he will get a decent run in the team it to see if he can keep up the record of not having conceded while he's been on the pitch:pac:

As for the new captain, ideally I'd like it to be Kolo or Clichy as they're arsenal through and through and are actually great professionals. But i don't know if they'd be suited really. Kolo might not even play every game and Clichy may be too quiet on the pitch, though maybe thats not too bad a thing if he leads by example. Wouldn't be surprised if it was given to Almunia though, fairly safe option.

Boggles wrote: »

Arsenal could do with Cisse at the moment.

Nah but they could certainly do with Roy Keane at the moment!

So that's it. Arsenal fc who only this time last year looked like champions elect are heading for mid table mediocrity! People pay a bloody fortune before they even get a bite to eat to see arsenal every week and in turn the *****rs that run this club penny pinch right left and centre. unless these f*cking morons get their act together the next trophy we'll win is the the coca cola championship.

wenger is showing too much faith in one or two tools anyway. as i said before, bendtner is like having a donkey in the coolmore stables. Alex Ferguson must have the fax that arsenal sent to them with their silvestre offer pinned up on the wall to give all his players a laugh when they're down. i didn't rate him at man united but now i despise him

Mossy Monk

He has to strengthen in January now or 4th place will be gone. If there is no Champions League then a exodus will happen.

DenMan

Arsene Wenger please bring in Stephen Appiah. He is still a free agent, has a clean bill of health and would toughen up our team. Ghana captain and we should get him in now.

Mr Alan

is there any Arsenal fans who think that Wenger may have taken the team as far as he can?

and that if he cant alter his transfer policy he should maybe think about moving on?

Royale with Cheese

IF

Results don't change between now and February 1st and he still doesn't bring anybody in and Arsenal go on to finish below 4th.

and IF

The reported £30m transfer budget is actually there...

then I think yes it may be time for a change. Two big ifs though.

Frisbee

DenMan wrote: »

Arsene Wenger please bring in Stephen Appiah. He is still a free agent, has a clean bill of health and would toughen up our team. Ghana captain and we should get him in now.

Appiah would be good but he's far to injury prone after the whole Fenerbache fiasco.

Mr Alan wrote: »

is there any Arsenal fans who think that Wenger may have taken the team as far as he can?

and that if he cant alter his transfer policy he should maybe think about moving on?

In Wenger We Trust.
There is no manager out there that could fill his boots. So there'sa no point in getting rid of him to bring in a sunb-standard manager.

OPENROAD

Mr Alan wrote: »

is there any Arsenal fans who think that Wenger may have taken the team as far as he can?

and that if he cant alter his transfer policy he should maybe think about moving on?

No, to get rid of Arsene would be a big mistake, we need to strengthen, I think Alonso was Arsenal bound last summer but when the Barry deal fell through that put an end to that, and Arsene is not the type to spend just for spend sake,not having a knock but how much have Liverpool spent over the last few years and it still has not brought them the league. We are going through a bad patch at the moment , have a lot of injuries. I would hope that we will bring in a couple of players in Jan, also Eduardo is due back in the next couple of weeks.

PHB

I love how people think Wenger isn't doing well enough. He has zero money to spend. Zero. He's built a top 4 side without spending any money on transfers!! Nobody could do what he is doing, not even Fergie.

Mr Alan

thats the thing PHB, if he was going to buy Alonso this year, there is money there, Arsenal have said there is money there, and Wenger himself has said there is money there.

OPENROAD

Mr Alan wrote: »

thats the thing PHB, if he was going to buy Alonso this year, there is money there, Arsenal have said there is money there, and Wenger himself has said there is money there.

Our accounts also suggest that their is ample money available.

KevIRL

Interesting comment on the BBC updates,....

1832: "How close are the positions in the Premier League this year?! Arsenal are as close to the top as they are to the relegation zone."

Mr Alan

exactly, if there is money available and AW is afraid to spend it and Arsenals position within the top 4 becomes seriously jeopardised, i think it may be time to look at alternatives.

Frankie Lee

Sack Wenger and poach Harry Redknapp I say.

DenMan

In Wenger we trust. It's his trust of the team he has available that's my main worry.

Indie18

Mr Alan wrote: »

is there any Arsenal fans who think that Wenger may have taken the team as far as he can?

and that if he cant alter his transfer policy he should maybe think about moving on?

yes and yes

OPENROAD

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