Arsenal Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

Galvasean

Is the Stuttgart game on telly tonight?

Royale with Cheese

Arsenal have always been a bit of a stepping stone club. They did well to hang on to Vieira and Henry for as long as they did, but both left in the end to pursue their dreams at bigger clubs. You might say it was the right time to sell, but the players themselves thought they were moving on to bigger and better things.

Other such as Overmars, Petit, Anelka, now Hleb and Flamini (Adebayor would be there too if anybody thought he was worth as much as he does). Made a name for themselves and moved on. Funny thing is it rarely works out. I fully expect Hleb and Flamini to look ordinary at their new clubs. It's a pity but it seems to be the way of things. Arsenal will always struggle to keep hold of their top quality players. Before long Cesc will be off to Barca too. I guess it's a bit much to expect loyalty from your players when none of them are homegrown.

When Wenger moves on and Arsenal lose the ability to create a decent squad for nothing, the doom mongers will have a field day. Until then I doubt they'll finish outside the top 4. I don't see any improvement on last season though. It really sucks, only a couple of players away from a championship winning squad and key members of the old squad up and leave.

Galvasean

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

I guess it's a bit much to expect loyalty from your players when none of them are homegrown.

I guess it makes the Bergkamp incident more strange. He was unusually loyal.

PHB

Arsenal have always been a bit of a stepping stone club.

IMO there are only 3-4 clubs in the world that are not stepping stone clubs. Chelsea, Utd, Madrid, Milan and even they have trouble at times. But these things change.

gosplan

I don't think it's a question of home-grown players but rather their nationality.(as in it doesn't make a difference if they're from the club or not)

When Utd pay way over the odds for Rooney, Carrick, Rio and so on they're getting ripped off in one way but in another they're purchasing players that will be there for a very long time and probably never agitate for a move away.

I'd expect the same of Walcott. When Sol moved he was moving down. Adams, Keown etc. English players usually want to stay in England and when you're in a top four team there's no real point in moving to another.

As we've seen, if you sign someone like Flamini, Ade, Hleb etc. They've no particular love of England or life there so leaving for Milan, Madrid or Barca is probably a long term goal for them.

If you're dealing with someone who calls England home, then once you get to one of the big four, it would be incredibly hard to move to another. Steve Gerrard nearly did it but as soon as he realized he could challenge with Liverpool he backed out.

I mean take Ronaldo for example. If he was from England he'd have no interest in moving to another country and he'd be at Utd forever. The best he could do would be a pointless move across or a move down.

The only two exceptions I can think of are Cashley who's just a total turd and Beckham who's a total egomaniac and wanted to be a Galactico.

Frisbee

Evil_Clown wrote: »

I have been reading on some Arsenal blogs this morning that Arsenal could be entitled to anywhere up to 50% of the sell on price of Bentley if Spurs buy him due to the original sell on clause when we sold him
Does anyone know a dependable source for the the correct figure ?

If true Arsenal could get up to 8.5 mil from his sale

Yeah there's a clause in his contract that Arsenal get 40% of his sell on price.
He's going for about £12million, with it being able to rise to $15million through add-on's and performance.

vincenzo1975

GUNNERS SNAP UP BISCHOFF
Arsenal have signed midfielder Amaury Bischoff from Werder Bremen.
Full story to follow...

from sportinglife...

does anyone know anything about this fella?

DenMan

Amaury Bischoff has joined Arsenal from Werder Bremen today. I did hear a rumor of that a few weeks ago, and now they have signed him. Anybody know anything about him? Portuguese Under-21 international. Hope it is a great signing (Wenger's ones always are). Nice one Arsene. Can play in the centre or on the right.

http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?thisNav=News&article=494612&lid=NewsHeadline&Title=Portuguese+midfielder+Amaury+Bischoff+joins+Arsenal

Pepe LeFrits

Only made one appearance for Werder Bremen, was injured for a large portion of the last two seasons.

Still, Wenger knows him from his time at Strasbourg apparently, so hopefully he'll be another quality find.

yahoo_moe

Frisbee wrote: »

He's going for about £12million, with it being able to rise to $15million through add-on's and performance.

Given where he's going, I'd be happy for those bonuses not to come into play. Although I'd rather take the cut of £12m than $15m (about £7.5m) anyway

Galvasean

DenMan wrote: »

Amaury Bischoff has joined Arsenal from Werder Bremen today. I did hear a rumor of that a few weeks ago, and now they have signed him. Anybody know anything about him? Portuguese Under-21 international. Hope it is a great signing (Wenger's ones always are). Nice one Arsene. Can play in the centre or on the right.

http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?thisNav=News&article=494612&lid=NewsHeadline&Title=Portuguese+midfielder+Amaury+Bischoff+joins+Arsenal

Is he the midfielder Wenger was in the market for? I was hoping for maybe some experience and certainly not another winger.
At least he has stubble. Might make him a bit formidable and be a possible replacement for Flamini?


So, anyone know if the game aginst Stuttgart is on TV tonight?

Frisbee

Galvasean wrote: »

So, anyone know if the game aginst Stuttgart is on TV tonight?

Its on Setanta 1 I'm fairly sure...

The channel I dont have....

OPENROAD

Frisbee wrote: »

Its on Setanta 1 I'm fairly sure...

The channel I dont have....

It is on Arsenal tv.

Frisbee

Setanta Ireland are showing it at 12 tonight aswell....

Fuzzy_Dunlop

Almunia
Sagna
Clichy
Gallas
Djourou
Denilson
Nasri
Eboue
Walcott
Adebayor
Van Persie

Nasri starts! In central midfield it would seem. Almunia is captain which is kinda weird...and eboue's still right wing:(

Frisbee

For the love of god. How is Eboue still in this team?
He shows no promise and I think Wenger has given him long enough to prove himself.
About time he see's him for what he is and thats cover for Sagna if he gets injured....

Surely he could put Nasri on the right and give Diaby a shot at CM...
Or Walcott on the right and Diaby or Vela on the left.

[/rant]

Fuzzy_Dunlop

Diaby is injured. Still i agree with you if he was available

OPENROAD

Frisbee wrote: »

Setanta Ireland are showing it at 12 tonight aswell....

No highlights advertised on Setanta.

keano_afc

He doesnt trust Diaby in the centre and never will. Hope Eboue gets injured, long term. Looking forward to seeing Nasri in action.

Fuzzy_Dunlop

Seems Gallas is indeed captain

Frisbee

OPENROAD wrote: »

No highlights advertised on Setanta.

My mistake, its not Setanta Ireland.
It's Setanta Sports.

Just checked the listing there and the full game is being shown at 12 tonight...

Pepe LeFrits

playa3 wrote: »

Almunia
Sagna
Clichy
Gallas
Djourou
Denilson
Nasri
Eboue
Walcott
Adebayor
Van Persie

Nasri starts! In central midfield it would seem. Almunia is captain which is kinda weird...and eboue's still right wing:(

Maybe Sagna is at centre-back, Eboue is RB and Djourou partners Denilson in central midfield? Unlikely but you never know.


// ****, hadn't realised the game had already kicked off. Eboue in central midfield??!

Frisbee

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Eboue in central midfield??!

*vomits profusely*

Pepe LeFrits

lol, he is.

........... Almunia

Sagna Gallas Djourou Clichy

Walcott Eboue Denilson Nasri

....... Adebayor van Persie

Frisbee

Thats the most ridiculous thing I've heard since:

'Freddy Adu is the new Pele'


watch him put in the performance of a lifetime now just to be awkward


or break Nasri's leg somehow....

PHB

Why the **** is Eboue in central midfield? Jesus! Wenger sees something in him that nobody else does.

Van Persie is some ****ing player I tell ya

keano_afc

I've had more doubts about AW during this off season than ever before. We needed to spend big and we havent. And now he's playing that useless, petulant waste of space in centre midfield. What next...

Pepe LeFrits

Get in, great goal by Vela. 1-1. Setup by Bendtner.

PHB

**** me Bendtner just scored an amazing goal! He's coming on something fierce!

Pepe LeFrits

LOL another great goal, Bendtner starting and finishing the move with an assist this time by Vela. They look like a nice partnership.