Aren't irish people so charming?

dr_manhattan

I never buy irish newspapers. But I'm jobhunting so...



i find this pretty ****ing offensive.

so I go online to find the online version... and they've RETITLED IT and kept it offline...

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/forget-about-the-series-of-diseases-africas-biggest-problem-is-its-population-57806.html

Irish people? Racist? Two Faced?

naaah

I have it here beside me and was gonna transcribe some of the details... but **** that ****. Really, spreading ignorance is not my intention here. Here's some choice quotes:

"the wide-eyed boy we saved 20 years ago is now a priapic, Kalashnikov-bearing hearty, siring children whenever the whim takes him"

He then rather offensively pretty much argues that the irish famine was a real famine, because 30% of our population were gone in 20 years, but that because of western food, the lockheed hercules and the mercedes 10 wheel truck ethipoia's has doubled. No mention of the difference in the way passports and nationality works for either time period... nice subtle praising of the great shiny airplane of the white man and our european inventiveness, kevin, you horrible man.

he doesn't really make an argument so much as just moronically take three columns to state these facts, in response to prospective "letter writers" saying he's wrong about Africa.

By the way: in case anyone doesn\'t recognise the term, "priapic" refers to Priapism, a condition which gives someone a permanent erection. He mentions penises, tumescence and general cliches of fascination with africans' penises and sexuality a further SIX times in the article.

"permanently tumescent layabouts", "the post coital penis" - it goes on...

And three mentions each of female circumcision and sexual abuse (of course, irish people lecturing other countries about ****ing children and having civil wars. Yaaaay)

Retarded is not the word... but the cleanup for the online version?

Ha! ****ing cowards.

And people say irish people are two faced...

Oh and PS - I may not have tracked down the article on independent.ie - if anyone can, please post a URL cos I would like to show this article ro a LOT of people and typing this drivel in is something I'd like to have to avoid.

Oh and PPS:

Kevin Myers has BEEN to ethiopia "unlike most of the people reading this". So shut up.

AlmightyCushion

Last time I checked Kevin Myers wasn't every single Irish person in existence so why does him being a twat make every Irish person a twat?

dr_manhattan

"Last time I checked Kevin Myers wasn't every single Irish person in existence so why does him being a twat make every Irish person a twat?"

Sorry, I forgot to mention that irish people aren't at all defensive either.

I'd prefer if you quote where I said "every single irish person is a twat".

Or indeed "kevin myers is every single irish person".

However, this is a notional irish newspaper which (patently obviously) knows what is acceptable to its enormous readership and not acceptable to its internet readership.

The implication is that my admittedly *horrendous* inferrence that more than one two faced irish wanker may be involved in this national newspaper article and its publication might have grounds?

In short: Big Newspaper. Whole country readership. MOre than one irish person. Sorry about that.

Now, care to comment on the article? Or would you rather I posted a pie chart of my estimation of bad people, in between people and lovely people in Ireland before you trust I am not on a rampage to defame this green isle?

;-) relax, ffs.

Thrill

dr_manhattan wrote: »

so I go online to find the online version... and they've RETITLED IT and kept it offline...

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/forget-about-the-series-of-diseases-africas-biggest-problem-is-its-population-57806.html

No, they did not retitle it and kept it offline.....


http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/africa-is-giving-nothing-to-anyone--apart-from-aids-1430428.html

dr_manhattan wrote: »

And people say irish people are two faced...

Wouldnt you say those people are being racist?

dr_manhattan

PS actually, this might be easier, and make you less defensive:

Would you think it was okay if the guardian published an article in the UK edition that said "irish people are drunken fools and spend EU money riding each other at corporate junkets"

And then published the online version as "ireland has significant economic problems and a bit of a loose attitude to its purse" with a "read more somewhere else" underneath it?

Would its posting under "gosh, english people are so lovely" thread upset you that much?

dr_manhattan

"Wouldnt you say those people are being racist?"

Haha, funnily enough, the first non-irish person who said that to me (after decades of all the "oh you're a lovely welcoming bunch" which, come on, we know is only 50% true) - I suddenly realised that she knew irish people quite well.

And besides that: When you speak about irish people you are speaking about people with cultural and economic ties to a tiny ireland, regardless of whether "race" applies to us or not. Within 500x300 mile islands, generalisations become a little bit fairer than for example the term "african".

But hell, racist if you want: kinda pales in comparison next to statements about "africans" that we "saved" running around in a cracked-out AK 47 sex rampage though, doesn't it?

If you accept the biological notion of race then it's daft, really. We're half english, overlying all sorts of visiting DNA (no matter how many times we say "celtic" does not deny our often exotic stock - even the DNA of the aran islands is pretty much all cromwell's soldiers), we should be proud of what we are, not trying to make it into a "race". It's our strength, IMHO. We are mutts and we adapt. Our language may be trailing in the wind but we took English and improved it significantly. We may be a ****ed up little war-island but we can bull**** with the best of them.

Sorry I'm rambling, I just find all this "irish race" thing kinda funny.

AlmightyCushion

dr_manhattan wrote: »

I'd prefer if you quote where I said "every single irish person is a twat".

Or indeed "kevin myers is every single irish person".

You title this thread "Aren't Irish people so charming"

and in your post you say:

"Irish people? Racist? Two Faced?

naaah"

The article is about something Kevin Myers said. So you're saying that Irish people are racist, two faced and Un-charming (ok that's not a word but you get the idea) because of this article written by Kevin Myers. Kevin Myers is a twat, so by comparing him to every Irish person you're calling us all twats.

Now, my comment on the Kevin Myers article: From what I can see some twat wrote something twatty.

dr_manhattan

"From what I can see some twat wrote something twatty."

Ah well that's great to hear. Well said, you.

Again, show me where I said "ALL irish people"

This could get very boring: okay in short:

ALL. The word you used was "ALL". I am asking you to show me where I said "ALL IRISH PEOPLE".

What I said was "irish people".

Again: national newspaper. Run by, edited by, written by, staffed by, printed by, distributed by, read by....

IRISH PEOPLE.

not ALL IRISH PEOPLE.

Get me yet?

dr_manhattan

Btw this is a funny thread already. Irish national newspaper newspaper prints story that says "africa never gave anyone anything except AIDS" and then chickens out of publishing it online.

I say "isn't that lovely? aren't irish people lovely?"

Boards.ie response: "how dare you say irish people are bad! Two faced? That's racist"

I have got to post the link to this thread elsewhere. Our diaspora have to be entertained NOW!

;-)

mike65

dr_manhattan how long have you been the arbiter of "correct" thinking?

Mike.

dr_manhattan

And once again, to reinforce my point:

"the wide-eyed boy we saved 20 years ago is now a priapic, Kalashnikov-bearing hearty, siring children whenever the whim takes him"

Okay, how ****ING DARE an irish person post this about a continent of millions of people?

So our 20 year olds don't sire children randomly, nor do they carry guns, is that right?

Never had a civil war in this country, have we? Never lived off aid?

Never had issues with producing large families that we couldn't pay for?

Honest with tax and state money are we?

I realise I am stating the blindly obvious but this ignorant pig has no place in any national newspaper, and if you are not ashamed by the article as an irish person you should really question who and what you are.

Filthy gun-peddling scum, rearing brats 15 to a room. Dirty. Unable to govern themselves. Disease ridden. Superstitious. Leave their dead babies behind grottoes, they do. Support endless thieving regimes who wear silk shirts while their propped up economy falls over, who manipulate political and ethnic tensions left over after a brutal civil war in order to keep power.

How would you feel if people said his about your country?

Because 20 years ago, they did.

But yeah, I'm sure we're all glad we're off the "no dogs, no blacks, no irish" list, so that we can peddle this trash but keep it from our more liberal neighbours, in case they might think, you know, that we're a bit rude.

But no, of course: "the irish are the black of europe"

Presumably making the actual - strangely enough black skinned - blacks of europe more "priapic, gun-toting layabouts" eh?

Lovely.

AlmightyCushion

dr_manhattan wrote: »

ALL. The word you used was "ALL". I am asking you to show me where I said "ALL IRISH PEOPLE".

What I said was "irish people".

Again: national newspaper. Run by, edited by, written by, staffed by, printed by, distributed by, read by....

IRISH PEOPLE.

not ALL IRISH PEOPLE.

Get me yet?

dr_manhattan wrote: »

Would you think it was okay if the guardian published an article in the UK edition that said "irish people are drunken fools and spend EU money riding each other at corporate junkets"

Yes I would have no problem with that because he said

IRISH PEOPLE

not ALL IRISH PEOPLE

When you sat something like Irish people it generally means that you are referring to the collective Irish people (as in every one Irish). Even you used it to refer to the collective Irish people in that second quote.

Thrill

dr_manhattan wrote: »

Btw this is a funny thread already. Irish national newspaper newspaper prints story that says "africa never gave anyone anything except AIDS" and then chickens out of publishing it online.

I have got to post the link to this thread elsewhere. Our diaspora have to be entertained NOW!

Wrong.

Get your facts straight before you link this anywhere or you'll be the one that's laughed at.


http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/africa-is-giving-nothing-to-anyone--apart-from-aids-1430428.html

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dr_manhattan

"dr_manhattan how long have you been the arbiter of "correct" thinking?"

My apologies, should I apply for a permit to post an opinion here?

If not, could you please explain where I position myself as the arbiter of "correct thinking"?

Or would you reather I re-edit my posts and place the words "it is my opinion that..." before every sentence I write?

So, who made you the arbiter or arbiters?

Or is that rhetorical?

dr_manhattan

"Get your facts straight before you link this anywhere or you'll be the one that's laughed at."

My apologies, thanks for the link.

And yes, I'd imagine everyone will read this and go "hey, dr_manhattan couldn't find this article - he's a racist idiot who thinks he's an arbiter of correct thinking. Hell, I can hardly even remember what that article was about..."

You've destroyed me, sir: I can only thank you for showing me how wrong I was.

Aw, funny.

Any more defensive irish people out there? Given this is boards.ie I can only imagine....

AlmightyCushion

dr_manhattan wrote: »

Any more defensive irish people out there?

Ironically enough you'd be one of them.

dr_manhattan

"Even you used it to refer to the collective Irish people in that second quote."

Okay in fairness, last reply pal, you're miles off topic and rather slow.

The second quote was of a newspaper headline I *made up*. It was meant to parallel kevin myer's use of the word "africa" in his headline.

What can you possibly know about what made-up headline meant? You're really rather odd.

Now seriously, give it up. Irish people does not mean "all irish people", that is why we have the word "all".

Not discussing it any further, kay? It's both incredibly boring, and I also *do not care* that you're offended by my topic choice.

chalad07

Dr Manhattan chill - i think you'll find most people will agree with you that the article is stupid, and that Myers is a Twat. Why are you getting defensive when people are simply asking if you think Kevin Myers speaks for all Irish people, and that's what the title of your thread implies,

ceegee

dr_manhattan wrote: »

And once again, to reinforce my point:

"the wide-eyed boy we saved 20 years ago is now a priapic, Kalashnikov-bearing hearty, siring children whenever the whim takes him"

Okay, how ****ING DARE an irish person post this about a continent of millions of people?

An English person actually, to be pedantic about it

dr_manhattan

"Ironically enough you'd be one of them"

What, by defending my argument?

Sorry about that. Should have realised that you need a license to both *post an opinion* and to *defend* one in here.

BUT:

it's mildly satisfying to know that I've annoyed you enough to make pointless, sniping ad hominems.

;-)

AlmightyCushion

dr_manhattan wrote: »

"Even you used it to refer to the collective Irish people in that second quote."

Okay in fairness, last reply pal, you're miles off topic and rather slow.

The second quote was of a newspaper headline I *made up*. It was meant to parallel kevin myer's use of the word "africa" in his headline.

What can you possibly know about what made-up headline meant? You're really rather odd.

Now seriously, give it up. Irish people does not mean "all irish people", that is why we have the word "all".

Not discussing it any further, kay? It's both incredibly boring, and I also *do not care* that you're offended by my topic choice.

Sorry, I'm not offended by the topic, really I'm not. Secondly, given the way you phrased your post it's no stretch of the imagination to think you were generalising Irish people as racist etc. You said it yourself, Kevin Myers used the term Africa to refer to the whole of Africa, just like I interpreted you saying Irish people to refer to every Irish person.

Ok you didn't actually mean that all Irish people were racists and two faced but it could easily be interpreted that way (like I did when I read your first post and hence the reasoning behind my first post). Also calling people slow and odd isn't a very smart idea.

dr_manhattan

"An English person actually, to be pedantic about it"

Well actually, good point. And his revolting englishness is showing, in my opinion. Not really that pedantic in the context of my ranting, though.

Disclaimer:
Dr_manhattan's last reference to the revoltingness of certain english people who are brainwashed into a supremacist self-belief by a combination of fish, chips and quasi fascism should not be taken as an attack on ALL english people (some of whom are close friends of the Dr's and really, quite civilised people), the Queen, The UK parliament or any of the commonwealth countries excluding the caribbean ones who we all know are priapic layabouts with compulsive rape problems anyway.

Any resemblance to any nationality real or imagined is unintentional. No animals were harmed in the making of this generalisation. Dr_manhattan undertakes to forthwith remove the word "lovely" from his vocabulary as it is a filthy word, borne of hundreds of years of colonialism and should be stricken from all language immediately. Henceforth, anything "lovely" will be referred to as "the L word". We hope our irish viewers will accpet this apology for such a wounding and racist insult.

Racism's wrong, kids.

philologos

this is a bit outdated 5th of January 2007?

I see your point but Kevin Myers is controversial for the sake of being controversial. It doesn't represent the views of the majority of Irish people.

ceegee wrote:

An English person actually, to be pedantic about it

He's Irish, just English born.

mike65

dr_manhattan you seem to be mainly reacting to the headline which was not written by Myres, thats the job of the Sub-Ed. Ever read an article and discover it didn't match the fever pitch of the strapline? It a common enough event in my experience.

As for the body of the article, I broadly agree. In 1985 my family did as I think every household in the land did and wrote a cheque and dialed a number on July 13th 1985. If the same were asked of me again I wouldn't, back then I/we were reacting to the moment and frankly were naive. Though to be fair maybe we through then things would turn round if some effort was applied to Ethiopia and similair countries yet here we are 23 years later and by just about every measure Ethopia is in a worse condition while countless wars, floods and famines have occured as AIDS chips away at the broad masses of southern and central Africa.

Its remarkable that the continent has seen its population rise by 40% in the cicumstances - but as the birth rate is still more than twice the death rate that won't stop soon.

Mike.

AlmightyCushion

dr_manhattan wrote: »

"Ironically enough you'd be one of them"

What, by defending my argument?

Sorry about that. Should have realised that you need a license to both *post an opinion* and to *defend* one in here.

Defending an argument makes you defensive. If you're an Irish person then that would make you a defensive Irish person.

dr_manhattan wrote: »

it's mildly satisfying to know that I've annoyed you enough to make pointless, sniping ad hominems.

;-)

Coming from the guy that called me slow and odd. Lol.

dr_manhattan

"Also calling people slow and odd isn't a very smart idea."

Okay, apologies for that; just having a bit of fun.

You must look at this from my POV though: I don't think even the *worst* interpretation of what I was saying about irish people is even close to what kev myers *published in a national newspaper* about "africans"

Hence my mild frustration with the replies.

"arbiter of correct thought" though... I like that one.

thefanman

Who's the racist moran at the independent who allowed that article to be published? How can anyone think that this is right. That myers f*cker has gone too far this time even for him

dr_manhattan

this is a bit outdated 5th of January 2007?

So they're *reprinting* this trash?

It's in yesterday's independent: as I say, I don't read irish newspapers. Picture how that appears.

"I see your point but Kevin Myers is controversial for the sake of being controversial."

This is about acceptable standards of journalism, not moral policing. Read the article: it's the ramblings of a slightly penis obsessed racist drunk.

dr_manhattan you seem to be mainly reacting to the headline

Okay I posted a quote and four phrases... what more do you want? The article is *far* more offensive than the headline. It's garbage, no structure, no facts, no balance, it's rambling rubbish.

Ever read an article and discover it didn't match the fever pitch of the strapline?

I've an idea you just did that with my post, no? Like I say, plenty of quotation.

As for the body of the article, I broadly agree.

So can you explain what the article says then?

Can you explain why it doesn't mention trade laws, fixed food pricing and the active interference of western oil, munitions and government interests in the continent? Braoness Thatcher's son was caught red-handed trying to knock over a government there...

Does africa manufacture AK 47s? (as a matter of fact we're more than likely referring to the cheaper AK ripoff the chines - is it type 7? - rifle)

Are the christian or Islamic factions fighting these wars African?

Are the only 10 wheel mercedes and airlifts going into africa filled with food? What about the mercenaries, the diamonds, the weapons? What about the thousands of western troops working both sides of these civil wars? What about the european bank accounts used to siphon money from arican countries by their corrupt leaders?

Corrupt leaders that - strangely enough - tend to be gradustes of western military schools and training initiiatives?

In 1985 my family did as I think every household in the land did and wrote a cheque and dialed a number on July 13th 1985

.

Your medal's in the post.

Meanwhile, I suggest you read up on what's keeping africa under: I suggest that you take that couple of million in aid money and compare it with weapons sales, compare it with trade tarriffs that protect western products, and use common sense.

When you finish with that, you might read up on biology, and the tendency for people in the worst conditions to produce the most babies. It's a clearly documented sociobiological phenomenon where we simply play a numbers game with hostile conditions.

In short, fear, death and disease, famine and war make people **** like there's no tomorrow.

Because there *is* no tomorrow.

Now, again:

How would you feel if you read a national newspaper article that said that irish men were drunken violent scum who couldn't keep their dicks in their pants and as a result had huge families that they neglected?

Guns, civil wars, oppression of women, uncontrollable birth rate, disease...

Is this really irish people talking?

dr_manhattan

"Who's the racist moran at the independent who allowed that article to be published? How can anyone think that this is right. That myers f*cker has gone too far this time even for him"

Seriously, thank you for - ironically - restoring my faith in the irish people.

(dr_manhattan would like to apologise for pejorative use of "irish people" - he simply intended to refer to boards.ie and its environs. Any offence caused will be hugged using a team of hookers in teddy bear suits now waiting all over the country. Just post your address for a happy hooker hug)

dr_manhattan

By the way, Mike65 -

why do you post a snide comment first, rather than your opinion?

Care to explain the "arbiter of correct thought" comment, or do I take it I made you feel a bit silly about that one, so you just decided to admit that you think it's okay to describe a billion people as "priapic kalashinikov-bearing" whatever?

That you "broadly agree" but think it's better to attack me rather than the article?

You must be a great moderator.

And this doesn't feed my point about irish people being oblique at all.

How the sentiment "I broadly agree" became "who made you arbiter of correct thought"?

Or do you prefer sniping at people to admitting you're a whinging westerner who still bears a grudge over Live Aid.

I should start calling irish people drunken terrorist thieving kiddyfiddlers in here, see who "broadly agrees"

AFter all, there's only what, .04 - .004? as much of us as there are priapic AK47 thug scum.

Then we can all make a newspaper! It will be great. We will deserve a salary as journalists for our cutting insight and skill with the english language. We can use the word "twat" too. The daily twat.

This week in the daily twat:
RUSSIANS! THEY'RE ALL IN THE MAFIA
ITALIANS ALL TRY TO **** THEIR DAUGHTERS
MOROCCANS: THEY SELL DRUGS
and a special - WHICH COUNTRY HAS THE MOST RAPISTS? we find out.

;-)

ojewriej

"I don't agree with what you say,but i will defend to the death your right to say it" - ever heard this saying? It's what makes the difference between living in a totalitarian state and a free country.

Plus, Myers is a not exactly a journalist, but a collumnist. There is a difference.

mike65

dr_manhattan if I give you enough rope will you hang yourself with it?

All I have seen from you so far is spleen venting nonsense, in the morning you may read this back and wonder just what it was you got so hystericalt. Myres was doing his thing, being contentious (fullfilling his brief, the indo didn't sign him up for any other reason).

As you are so full of thinking on this matter can you lead the pig-ignorant such as myself towards the light?

Go on fix Africa for me. Please?

Mike.

dr_manhattan

Mike65, nothing to say then I take it? You haven't answered a single question I've asked (again: arbiter of correct thinking? Explain?)

So I'll reply to your grumpy lame little accustations instead:

1. Hysterical?
I don't live on these forums. You do. I came in here looking for an argument and nobody - least of all you - gave me one. Though I did get a great thread to bookmark as an example of how ignorant irish people can be.

Don't cry cos I've made you look stupid by typing a lot: that's not hysteria. Check anything else I've posted in here, I post a lot in short bursts.

My thread - hundreds of others if you don't like it.

Your board - mr moderator - is not my problem, and I will not be waking up tomorrow thinking about my internet posts AT ALL, sir. That, as I say, is presumably your routine.

If it please you to imagine I am hysterical, go right ahead. I don't imagine you at all.

the pig-ignorant such as myself

your words, not mine.

2. Along with answering all my other earlier queries, can you find me the bit where I said I could fix africa? For you or anyone else?

Are you trying to say myers is proposing a solution? A fix? I did already ask you what you "broadly agree with"

Or are you doing anything other than have a dull-witted argument with some imaginary hysterical arbiter of correct thought that you have dreamed up?

3. Meanwhile the best you seem to be able to manage is:

wee wee wee my family sent a cheque to africa weee wee wee

What about all the EU member states who paid to pull your ass out of the semtex-filled gutter, and stop your drunken father beating your mother in the street? Do they get a refund now that you're barely able to construct an argument, after they underwrote your education?

dr_manhattan

ojewriej

"I don't agree with what you say,but i will defend to the death your right to say it" - ever heard this saying? It's what makes the difference between living in a totalitarian state and a free country

.

Sorry, can you point out where anyone said Kevin Myers should be prevented from saying what he said? Is this a discussion of the right of free press?

No it is not.

But one thing this thread is is very telling.

We have one "how dare you say every single person in ireland is racist"

We have one "who made you the arbiter of correct thought"

We have one "isn't it racist to call irish people two faced?"

We have one "I broadly agree, cos of Live Aid"

And now we have "if we don't allow kevin myers to say this then it's a dictatorship"

And only ONE comment about the article itself.

So;

Does anyone on this board know the meaning of the term "white apologist"?

dr_manhattan

Oh and PS mike65 - you seem to have this compulsion to use borrowed phrases (like "the arbiter of correct thought" - gonna explain yet?)

"dr_manhattan if I give you enough rope will you hang yourself with it?"

Well I dunno Mike65, if I give you a bird in the hand will it be worth two in the bush? Will your own fireside compare favourably to other firesides? What about your water... will it be under the bridge?

What rope have you given me, and what the **** are you on about?

ojewriej

dr_manhattan wrote: »

ojewriej

Sorry, can you point out where anyone said Kevin Myers should be prevented from saying what he said? Is this a discussion of the right of free press?

thefanman wrote: »

Who's the racist moran at the independent who allowed that article to be published? How can anyone think that this is right. That myers f*cker has gone too far this time even for him

dr_manhattan wrote: »

Does anyone on this board know the meaning of the term "white apologist"?

Yes. It's quite self explanatory really, isn't it? What are you gettting at?

And to be honest, it's hard to focus on the article itself when you are so agitated about the issue, hysterical i would even say.

In the title of the thread you implied that Myers speaks for every Irish person. I know you didn;t use the word "all", but the implication is still there, no matter how hard you deny it. And when people took offence to it, you accused them of being defensive and slow.

So don't blame anyone else for taking the focus away from the article to your reaction to it, because it's your own doing. You should attack Myers, not everyone who isn't as offended as you are.

dr_manhattan

Oh my apologies, that was *of course* a call for censorship. That tiny sentence that I didn't write: what he said was "the independent should be stopped NOW!" wasn't it? He said "censorship" didn't he?

Oh no, sorry: this is all about what's "implied" (AKA what you want to start a scrap about) not what the person actually says.

I say "irish people" when making remarks about a newspaper with a circulation of hundreds of thousands if not millions, and I am HYSTERICAL. Racist, too. Great.

So you believe that referring to "africans" as chronically horny AK 47 wielding rapists is acceptable journalism? Free speech?

Hysterical? Racist?

Well done, you're keeping us "free". Well picked, that battle.

And to be honest, it's hard to focus on the article itself when you are so agitated about the issue, hysterical i would even say

Ah, that would explain why you paid it no attention whatsoever.

You should attack Myers, not everyone who isn't as offended as you are.

err... I did attack Myers. So now it's my fault that nobody in this thread seems to have a problem with that article or the paper printing it?

Then I was accused of attacking irish people, so I defended myself. Then I was accused of setting myself up as the "arbiter of correct thought" so I replied to that. Can you read?

Or presumably you're telling me now that I should not reply when people post things on a thread I started, is that it?

So...

Where are these people who "isn't as offended as you are"?

Cos last I looked, *one* person registered offence.

Everyone else is nitpicking and taking offense cos I said a bad thing about irish people.

Know what?

I think irish people are a bunch of ignorant, boring, grey, closedminded, F**king c**ts.

Not all irish people, but the VAST MAJORITY. It's been a rotten country to grow up in, full of rotten bigots, liars, rapists and clergymen. And don't even get me started on the f**king cops and the paramilitaries. Sexually repressed cliques of civil war obsessed homosexuals, spreading AIDS everywhere. Wife beaters.

At least the drought in ethiopia was a real drought: there was a desert! It rains in Ireland all day and all night, irish people are just too lazy to stop ****ing their sisters and change their corrupt lying government. Parasites.

There we go: My Irish Independent Article by Dr_manhattan.

Good enough for you?

Now defend my right to publish that garbage, defend us against totalitarianism and tyranny. Go, tiger.

dr_manhattan

oh and PS:

Yes. It's quite self explanatory really, isn't it? What are you gettting at?

Why don't you give me your "self explanatory" definition, first.

Cos if you knew what the term meant, you'd know exactly why I was using it in a thread that is basically saying "I know kevin myers is an asshole that's his JOB but you sir are a RACIST"

kay?

rediguana

Just read first two posts.

What a crazy article. I write articles for a number of provincial papers and you can't say **** without it being vetoed - how did this rubbish make it to the public domain?

mike65

Myres is licenced to kill.

Mike.

is_that_so

Nor do any of us control nor speak for Kevin Myers. but yes it is his job and he does have the right to say as he chooses as long as his employers let him. Why aren't you taking it up with the Sindo themselves or taking it up with press complaints commission? It is rag, a reactionary tabloid.

Why did the OP chose to even read it? My own reaction would have been, here we go, it's Myers in the Sindo again, I know what to expect and I would have moved on. I find it very hard to read anything he writes these days as he has lost whatever ability he had as a detached journalist some time ago.

Sand

Oh no, all seems lost, fleeeee---wait....is it a bird? is it a plane? No is Captain Politically Correct....and hes here with his trusty sidekick Moral High Horse...the day is saved!!!

Sorry, I forgot to mention that irish people aren't at all defensive either.

This is hilarious stuff. Some more quotes....

I'd prefer if you quote where I said "every single irish person is a twat".

Again, show me where I said "ALL irish people"

So our 20 year olds don't sire children randomly, nor do they carry guns, is that right?

Never had a civil war in this country, have we? Never lived off aid?

Never had issues with producing large families that we couldn't pay for?

Honest with tax and state money are we?

How would you feel if people said his about your country?

Because 20 years ago, they did.

My apologies, should I apply for a permit to post an opinion here?

If not, could you please explain where I position myself as the arbiter of "correct thinking"?

You've destroyed me, sir: I can only thank you for showing me how wrong I was.

Thats only the first page, couldnt be arsed going any further finding more quotes of you getting hilariously defensive over your argument shown to be hysteria and projected self esteem issues. I mean its so funny youre completely outraged over Myers article denouncing all Africans and at the same time you dismiss your own denouncement of Irish people as racist, defensive twats. A few years from now, youll read this thread and go "Oh man....."

Kevin Myers has gone ****ing demented, big ****ing deal. Robert Mugabe says a whole load of **** too. And whatever Myers position in Irish society, Mugabe runs the show. So calm down, relax, chill. Yes, I know people said and say hurtful things about the Irish and youre still bitter about it, but its not a major issue now or then. Relax........

Thrill

dr_manhattan wrote: »

What about all the EU member states who paid to pull your ass out of the semtex-filled gutter, and stop your drunken father beating your mother in the street? Do they get a refund now that you're barely able to construct an argument, after they underwrote your education?

How can you be offended by myers and at the same time type stuff like this? It's no different than what he writes.You're just descending to his level.



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is_that_so

dr_manhattan wrote: »

err... I did attack Myers. So now it's my fault that nobody in this thread seems to have a problem with that article or the paper printing it?

I'd suggest that you are not reading other posts here. You can't force people to object to it because you find it offensive.

dr_manhattan wrote: »

Everyone else is nitpicking and taking offense cos I said a bad thing about irish people.

I am not offended but it is very hard to follow what you are getting at. Most of it from what I can see is a scattergun approach so it's no surprise people are questioning it.
I'd also suggest that your "article" would not be published purely on the basis that it is not very good. Whatever about the questionable content of Myers' stuff he can write articles well.

dr_manhattan

Why did the OP chose to even read it?

Okay let's start again:

I don't read irish newspapers. Period. Ever.

I am jobhunting. So I have to buy irish newspapers.

Are you saying that I shouldn't have read past the headline?

Or are you saying I should somehow know this is "a joke" and ignore it?

How do you think africans feel seeing this disgraceful **** in their new country's newspaper?

How do you think they feel when fake, two faced irish people tell them they're "welcome", make it impossible to stay here, and then tell them that the shouts of "N**ger" in the street are just a tiny minority.

Then 1/3rd of a page piece in a national sheet is "just myers being a loony, never mind him"

Where do we admit this is a problem?

Typical ireland:

"sure he's just an eejit. You shouldn't have read that. You're an eejit for reading it. That's not irish people. That's an english fella. Stop being rude to irish people. You're a racist. Irish people aren't racist, you are."

Why aren't you taking it up with the Sindo themselves or taking it up with press complaints commission

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1. because they printed the thing so they obviously don't ****ing care

2. I have lodged a complaint: why do you care?

According to you it's "just the usual"

I mean, why would I read an article that said "Africa never gave anything to anyone except AIDS"?

Perhaps to make sure I wasn't going mad, or that it wasn't a joke?

dr_manhattan

"How can you be offended by myers and at the same type stuff like this? It's no different than what he writes.Your just descending to his level."

Okay... well spotted "thrill"...?

Do I have to write IRONIC above anything that's ironic in here? As well as the license to post an opinion and argue my case?

What do you THINK I meant by posting that piece?

And:

You can't force people to object to it because you find it offensive.

This is getting so BORING.

ONce again:

1. where did I try and "force" anyone to find it offensive?

All I did was defend myself against accusations of being racist against irish people, and laugh at that double standard. If I'm being racist against irish people, then what is kevin myers' being against africans?

2. what is it with EVERYONE in this thread making **** up about what I'm trying to say? Arbiter of thought, every single irish person is two faced, kevin myers should be censored...

anything else you want to make up something that I said?

it is very hard to follow what you are getting at.

Really? Scatter gun approach eh? Try this:

1. that article is racist, prejudiced, sexually obsessed, and so biased as to be untrue.

2. it is lousy journalism and ugly rhetoric

3. as an ex colony who only 20 years ago suffered from *every* problem decribed in that article, we should be ashamed of its appearance in a sunday newspaper.

...so how did you fail to understand "what I'm getting at?"

What was unclear?

ojewriej

dr_manhattan wrote: »

Oh my apologies, that was *of course* a call for censorship. That tiny sentence that I didn't write: what he said was "the independent should be stopped NOW!" wasn't it? He said "censorship" didn't he

So what that you didn't write it? Did I address my first post to you?

He said that the editor who allowed this article to be published is a moron and a racist. Clearly, by that he means that it shouldn't be published, doesn't he? So it is a call for censorship, even though you are the first one using this word.

dr_manhattan wrote: »

I say "irish people" when making remarks about a newspaper with a circulation of hundreds of thousands if not millions, and I am HYSTERICAL. Racist, too. Great.

When did I say you were racist?

dr_manhattan wrote: »

So you believe that referring to "africans" as chronically horny AK 47 wielding rapists is acceptable journalism? Free speech?

As I already pointed out, there is a difference between a journalist and a columnist. Journalist presents facts, columnist - opinions. Huge difference.

dr_manhattan wrote: »

Ah, that would explain why you paid it no attention whatsoever.

I paid it enough attention to notice that you completely missed its' point. He doesn't attack Africans themselves. He merely describes the situation there - I see it as a critisism of a way we (we meaning Western world) deal with it. I.E. sending millions of dollars in aid there, for it only to be stolen by dictators and warlords.

dr_manhattan wrote: »

Then I was accused of attacking irish people, so I defended myself.

As someone already pointed it out to you:

You titled your thread "Aren't Irish people so charming?" not "Is Kevin Myers so charming?". And in the OP you wrote:

Irish people? Racist? Two Faced?

naaah


Are you surprised others took offence to it?

dr_manhattan wrote: »

Then I was accused of setting myself up as the "arbiter of correct thought" so I replied to that. Can you read?

That's not true. You were called that, after saying that anyone who thinks that Myers doesn;t represent everyone in Ireland is defensive. You were also very condescending towards other posters. It's hardly surprising people got annnoyed.

dr_manhattan wrote: »

Everyone else is nitpicking and taking offense cos I said a bad thing about irish people.

Wrong again. Everyone is nitpicking because from the heigh of your horse you fail to see the difference between Myers and Irish people.

dr_manhattan wrote: »

I think irish people are a bunch of ignorant, boring, grey, closedminded, F**king c**ts.

Not all irish people, but the VAST MAJORITY. It's been a rotten country to grow up in, full of rotten bigots, liars, rapists and clergymen. And don't even get me started on the f**king cops and the paramilitaries. Sexually repressed cliques of civil war obsessed homosexuals, spreading AIDS everywhere. Wife beaters.

At least the drought in ethiopia was a real drought: there was a desert! It rains in Ireland all day and all night, irish people are just too lazy to stop ****ing their sisters and change their corrupt lying government. Parasites.

There we go: My Irish Independent Article by Dr_manhattan.

Good enough for you?

Nope. Myers has facts to support his opinion. You can draw different conclusion, but the facts are still there. You on the other hand, just throw barely coherent insults around. And that's why he is well paid and read by thousands, and you can only throw hissy fits on the Internet.

dr_manhattan wrote: »

Now defend my right to publish that garbage, defend us against totalitarianism and tyranny. Go, tiger.

I don't have to. No one is going to have a problem with it because it's clear it's just rambling. And this is exactly my point. Everyone should be allowed to say what they think. It's much easier to spot idiots, racists, bigots etc. when it's all out in the open. Pushing them underground gives them certain legitimacy.

Thrill

dr_manhattan wrote: »

Okay... well spotted "thrill"...?

Do I have to write IRONIC above anything that's ironic in here? As well as the license to post an opinion and argue my case?

That wasn't from your ironic "My Irish Independent Article by Dr_manhattan."post, but from an earlier post where you were being far from ironic.

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=56538760&postcount=33

Cato

i think Myers has a point, Africa is a mess and requires more than free aid thrown at them.

Jack Sheehan

I'm honestly stunned by this topic and bewildered as to why, what with all the personal abuse floating about, that the OP hasn't been banned yet.

mike65

Myers writes for the INDO not sindo btw. Different editoral staff.

Mike.