So I've started with reason 4

turf

Reason - I've been messin around with it for a few months but last 2 weeks really got into it and learned how to really use it.. got the drums, heavy bassline and a few runs over it to make the guts of a song and i actually really like how its turnin out so far. I find it pretty easy to use so actually using the program isn't my issue..

What I'm looking at is other software, if price isn't an issue, whats the advantages of say ableton live or pro tools? or this cubase which i know nothing about? can all 3 be re-wired into reason?

this is just a home project brought on by boredom and lack of job so i doubt anyone will ever hear the stuff, kinda like my old photoshop obsession where no one actually seen the stuff.. does that take out ableton or what else can it do? shud i jus get pro-tools for "final production" of a song?

thanks

dav nagle

turf wrote: »

Reason - I've been messin around with it for a few months but last 2 weeks really got into it and learned how to really use it.. got the drums, heavy bassline and a few runs over it to make the guts of a song and i actually really like how its turnin out so far. I find it pretty easy to use so actually using the program isn't my issue..

What I'm looking at is other software, if price isn't an issue, whats the advantages of say ableton live or pro tools? or this cubase which i know nothing about? can all 3 be re-wired into reason?

this is just a home project brought on by boredom and lack of job so i doubt anyone will ever hear the stuff, kinda like my old photoshop obsession where no one actually seen the stuff.. does that take out ableton or what else can it do? shud i jus get pro-tools for "final production" of a song?

thanks

Reason is re-wired into Ableton live and pro tools and Logic 8, not the other way around. If you want to record vocals over your Reason track than I suggest any of the above platforms. So integrating Reason with an audio/midi based daw will definitely expand your creativity. Yes you can use pro tools to master but mastering is an art into itself so you will not get amazing results straight away unless you have the right plug ins/knowledge to do the trick, so I suggest looking at the mastering tools within reason 4.
Logic has always been famous for its masterful midi integration where Pro tools has been famous for its masterful audio integration and editing. Logic has got a steep learning curve but an enjoyable one at that. Pro tools also has a learning curve. Either way if you could specify what you would like to do with these Reason tracks one might be able to assist you more? Ableton is what many DJ'S use to create awesome dance tracks and its midi and audio integration are both excellent. They all start somewhere roughly around the €500 mark.

jtsuited

dav nagle wrote: »

Ableton is what many DJ'S use to create awesome dance tracks and its midi and audio integration are both excellent.

hmmm, this is one of these semi-truths going round at the moment.

The vast majority of producer/dj's do their proper production in Logic or Cubase. Yes some use ableton as their main DAW but they would be in the minority.
Many producers do however use Ableton as a compositional tool, and as a live performance system.

I know many producers including myself, who started making dance music with ableton (rewired into protools) and now just use Logic.
It's actually strange to talk to producers in a lot of genres nowadays who haven't moved over to Logic yet.

Ableton is fantastic for certain things but rubbish at others. There is a lot of novelty associated with ableton but it wears off soon enough.
All IMO obviously.

dav nagle

jtsuited wrote: »

hmmm, this is one of these semi-truths going round at the moment.

The vast majority of producer/dj's do their proper production in Logic or Cubase. Yes some use ableton as their main DAW but they would be in the minority.
Many producers do however use Ableton as a compositional tool, and as a live performance system.

I know many producers including myself, who started making dance music with ableton (rewired into protools) and now just use Logic.
It's actually strange to talk to producers in a lot of genres nowadays who haven't moved over to Logic yet.

Ableton is fantastic for certain things but rubbish at others. There is a lot of novelty associated with ableton but it wears off soon enough.
All IMO obviously.

True enough... word on the street is all the DJ's HAVE moved to Logic but I didn't want to leave it out of my run down. I left Cubase out because I haven't used it in years but people do swear by it so who am I Jsuited?

dav nagle

Thats right! I am the SNAKE MASTER!

jtsuited

dav nagle wrote: »

Thats right! I am the SNAKE MASTER!

drugs are bad m'kay.

especially at this time of day. wait til it's dark before getting weird.

dav nagle

jtsuited wrote: »

drugs are bad m'kay.

especially at this time of day. wait til it's dark before getting weird.

Hey I don't do drugs. This is my natural state of wildness! I am a natural wild snake :eek:

TheMelodyOfRain

jtsuited wrote:

drugs are bad m'kay

Don't believe everything you hear on the television.

I have all this software but I deleted vista by pure accident and none of them run on Linux

jtsuited

dav nagle wrote: »

Hey I don't do drugs. This is my natural state of wildness! I am a natural wild snake :eek:

based on that comment I recommend you take drugs.:pac:

dav nagle

jtsuited wrote: »

based on that comment I recommend you take drugs.:pac:

Well its a good thing your not my doctor so!:pac::pac:

jtsuited

dav nagle wrote: »

Well its a good thing your not my doctor so!:pac::pac:

or am I????


...no i'm not

turf

TheMelodyOfRain wrote: »

Don't believe everything you hear on the television.

I have all this software but I deleted vista by pure accident and none of them run on Linux

vmware is your friend. i have it for mac and have xp installed runnin along side leopard. look it up seriously

turf

dav nagle wrote: »

Reason is re-wired into Ableton live and pro tools and Logic 8, not the other way around. If you want to record vocals over your Reason track than I suggest any of the above platforms. So integrating Reason with an audio/midi based daw will definitely expand your creativity. Yes you can use pro tools to master but mastering is an art into itself so you will not get amazing results straight away unless you have the right plug ins/knowledge to do the trick, so I suggest looking at the mastering tools within reason 4.
Logic has always been famous for its masterful midi integration where Pro tools has been famous for its masterful audio integration and editing. Logic has got a steep learning curve but an enjoyable one at that. Pro tools also has a learning curve. Either way if you could specify what you would like to do with these Reason tracks one might be able to assist you more? Ableton is what many DJ'S use to create awesome dance tracks and its midi and audio integration are both excellent. They all start somewhere roughly around the €500 mark.

thanks for the reply.. sounds like i dont need ableton anyway and pro tools sounds like effort with plugins and the fact that i dont have anything to actually "master"..

what wud logic do for me if i'm tryin to get an electronica sorta justice/sebastian/anythin on kitsune label sound?

jtsuited

turf wrote: »

thanks for the reply.. sounds like i dont need ableton anyway and pro tools sounds like effort with plugins and the fact that i dont have anything to actually "master"..

what wud logic do for me if i'm tryin to get an electronica sorta justice/sebastian/anythin on kitsune label sound?

logic would do all you need and more.

dav nagle

turf wrote: »

thanks for the reply.. sounds like i dont need ableton anyway and pro tools sounds like effort with plugins and the fact that i dont have anything to actually "master"..

what wud logic do for me if i'm tryin to get an electronica sorta justice/sebastian/anythin on kitsune label sound?

Man the fact is Logic will make you an extremely happy individual and give you the most value for money, synths, sounds and plug ins for your money. It comes with a massive collection of professional sounds and tools and with some study and questions/tutorials you will be up and running in a very short space of time. The drum beats that come with logic is a synth called Ultra beat and it sounds superb. For that kind of money you will be amazed. Your amazement will grow with your creation. As mentioned earlier Logic as a system is a professional tool for any type of music you like. It is an all in one Beast, so my advice, buy it and start making smooth sounding music. I did an entire album on Reason 4 and released it on iTunes but if I was to do another electronica album it would probably be on logic, that is unless Reason 5 blows my pants off, and I mean right off. Reason is simple to use and fast thats why I stuck with Reason. Logic comes with a 999 page manual just for the program not including a further 500 page plug in manual. Still though you will here the difference sound quality wise (sonically), tres superb, bon apetit amigos. And remember that you can use the two together and have synth sex.

turf

well since you mention synth sex, i hav to get it :P

so could i make a soung using both programs easily together or wud i be safer of concentrating on just logic and then seeing which i prefere and stick to one?

dav nagle

turf wrote: »

well since you mention synth sex, i hav to get it :P

so could i make a soung using both programs easily together or wud i be safer of concentrating on just logic and then seeing which i prefere and stick to one?

I am still learning Logic but I find taking one task at a time the way forward. For example I wanted to learn how to make and break a few beats so I read up on ultrabeat, posted questions here and practiced using ultra beat. Everyone on the forum will help you in any way they can bar me because I am a Nord from the planet Nibriu x and the world will defo end 2012!

The thing is you might not really care for Reason as much as you do now once you start understanding how to use logic. Remember though this is my opinion and I could have been a great salesman but I prefer making and editing audio!

turf

rite ill see wat i can do about getting logic.. any good dvd tutorials for it? had a good enuf one fro reason, helped a bit gettin to kno the basics

Anima

Turf: Just a question on the VMware thing, whats the performance like? Might try running Logic through it. See how it goes.

turf

Anima wrote: »

Turf: Just a question on the VMware thing, whats the performance like? Might try running Logic through it. See how it goes.

performance is grand.. i can play gta vice city on my basic spec mac through vmware like. there's another program, parallels, but i dunno if thats for linux. also, i can link you to a "performance edition" of xp, much quicker than regular xp cause all unnecessary components taken out.. let me kno

dav nagle

turf wrote: »

rite ill see wat i can do about getting logic.. any good dvd tutorials for it? had a good enuf one fro reason, helped a bit gettin to kno the basics

http://www.digitalmediatraining.com/products/logicpro7/

https://askvideo.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=12&products_id=35

dav nagle

turf wrote: »

performance is grand.. i can play gta vice city on my basic spec mac through vmware like. there's another program, parallels, but i dunno if thats for linux. also, i can link you to a "performance edition" of xp, much quicker than regular xp cause all unnecessary components taken out.. let me kno

Logic is mac only

turf

dav nagle wrote: »

Logic is mac only

perfect, was just talkin about vmware for the other guy. how much is logic?

dav nagle

turf wrote: »

perfect, was just talkin about vmware for the other guy. how much is logic?

It retails just under €500

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MA797LL/A

seannash

as for your mastering.i wouldnt even worry about that aspect until youve gotten good midowns of your tracks.you cant polish a turd

turf

seannash wrote: »

as for your mastering.i wouldnt even worry about that aspect until youve gotten good midowns of your tracks.you cant polish a turd

well its more about a challenge.... like learning how to do it rather than an excellent results

seannash

turf wrote: »

well its more about a challenge.... like learning how to do it rather than an excellent results

well i think getting a good mixdown should be first.if youve got a crap mixdown but are good at mastering it wont help you at all. cant polish a turd

jtsuited

seannash wrote: »

cant polish a turd

now ya tell me!!:pac:

dav nagle

You cant polish a turd? what are ya talking about? DUDE! He wants to learn and have some fun! You actually can polish a turd. There are people all the time going into studios with no talent at all and they need some serious polish (Vocals tuning). So what you are saying is not true. As a guy starting off with Logic/Reason, whatever, the bottom line in he will have the polish out either way so just let him be, its like a line you like using or something.

When one starts to record they don't meticulously do each element one at a time unless they are some kind of robot. So experiment experiment and learn and polish your turd. A polished turd is better than a pure stinking turd right?


Turd ? The most American word I have ever heard on boards.The first time I ever heard that word was in the movie 'teenage mutant hero turtles' back in the late 80's I might add.

danjokill

dav nagle wrote: »

You cant polish a turd? what are ya talking about? DUDE! He wants to learn and have some fun! You actually can polish a turd. There are people all the time going into studios with no talent at all and they need some serious polish (Vocals tuning). So what you are saying is not true. As a guy starting off with Logic/Reason, whatever, the bottom line in he will have the polish out either way so just let him be, its like a line you like using or something.

When one starts to record they don't meticulously do each element one at a time unless they are some kind of robot. So experiment experiment and learn and polish your turd. A polished turd is better than a pure stinking turd right?


Turd ? The most American word I have ever heard on boards.The first time I ever heard that word was in the movie 'teenage mutant hero turtles' back in the late 80's I might add.

Yet again I could not agree more !!!

seannash

dav nagle wrote: »

You cant polish a turd? what are ya talking about? DUDE! He wants to learn and have some fun! You actually can polish a turd. There are people all the time going into studios with no talent at all and they need some serious polish (Vocals tuning). So what you are saying is not true. As a guy starting off with Logic/Reason, whatever, the bottom line in he will have the polish out either way so just let him be, its like a line you like using or something.

When one starts to record they don't meticulously do each element one at a time unless they are some kind of robot. So experiment experiment and learn and polish your turd. A polished turd is better than a pure stinking turd right?


Turd ? The most American word I have ever heard on boards.The first time I ever heard that word was in the movie 'teenage mutant hero turtles' back in the late 80's I might add.

wow,pardon me.
im simply saying that he should concentrate on one thing first and to me if hes only starting out he should concentrate on getting a clean sound before he even worries about mastering.
as for the most american statement well so what.i live in new york the past 7 years,forgive me if ive picked up a phrase or two.ill translate for you.
"jaysus and begra,****e will still sound ****e even if you bring it to a mastering studio".is that irish enough for ya.think i saw that in darby o gill.hope this satisfies your need for an all irish forum man
and this is coming from the blokes who addresses me as "Dude" in one of his opening sentences.;)
so vocal tuning should be handles by someone mastering,or should that be taken care of in the mixdown process.most people will send the finished mixdown track for mastering,not all the stems so vocal tuning will have to be taken care of by the producer.
i never wanted to stop him from exploring mastering but i think he should walk before he can run and a good mixdown imo is the best goal to aim for in the begning.
now im off to go surfing with my awesome friends,its going to be radical.
hope this clears up any problems you had with my non irish lingo DUUUDDDDDEEEEEEE!:D

seannash

jtsuited wrote: »

now ya tell me!!:pac:

i keep telling you that but you just wont listen:D

jtsuited

dav nagle wrote: »

Turd ? The most American word I have ever heard on boards.The first time I ever heard that word was in the movie 'teenage mutant hero turtles' back in the late 80's I might add.

He does live in New York!

As far as turd polishing goes, it's challenging work. And millions of polished turds sell every day. Not that's an excuse for making a turd production. but ya catch my drift.

jtsuited

seannash wrote: »

he should walk before he can run DUUUDDDDDEEEEEEE!:D

ah for feck sake I've been doing everything all wrong!:pac:

jtsuited

dav nagle wrote: »

When one starts to record they don't meticulously do each element one at a time unless they are some kind of robot.

i do,:pac:

but then again 10001010010100100111001010010011

turf

so if i were to polish a turd, shud i use pro tools as the polish? :P

seannash

jtsuited wrote: »

ah for feck sake I've been doing everything all wrong!:pac:

:D,i really shouldnt take anymore advice form you.im begining to see holes in your game :pac:

seannash

just like to add this is purely my opinion so obviously people can take it or leave it

jtsuited

turf wrote: »

so if i were to polish a turd, shud i use pro tools as the polish? :P

well logic can pretty much do the polishing too. in fact i prefer it to protools for that kind of stuff (and nowadays everything else).

turf

really duno which to get.. i think i've enuf on my plate learnin everythin bout reason without learnin logic. ah maybe ill get both and just see wat they do

jtsuited

turf wrote: »

really duno which to get.. i think i've enuf on my plate learnin everythin bout reason without learnin logic. ah maybe ill get both and just see wat they do

if you're choosing between reason and logic WHATEVER YOU DO, GET LOGIC!!!!!!!!!

Most people who use reason rewire it into something like Logic anyway, and Logic gives you a lot more options.
Reason's a nice little tool, but Logic is the full package when it comes to synths, samplers, effects, etc.
Not to mention the fact that you can't deal with audio in Reason. Or plugins.

dav nagle

seannash wrote: »

wow,pardon me.
im simply saying that he should concentrate on one thing first and to me if hes only starting out he should concentrate on getting a clean sound before he even worries about mastering.
as for the most american statement well so what.i live in new york the past 7 years,forgive me if ive picked up a phrase or two.ill translate for you.
"jaysus and begra,****e will still sound ****e even if you bring it to a mastering studio".is that irish enough for ya.think i saw that in darby o gill.hope this satisfies your need for an all irish forum man
and this is coming from the blokes who addresses me as "Dude" in one of his opening sentences.;)
so vocal tuning should be handles by someone mastering,or should that be taken care of in the mixdown process.most people will send the finished mixdown track for mastering,not all the stems so vocal tuning will have to be taken care of by the producer.
i never wanted to stop him from exploring mastering but i think he should walk before he can run and a good mixdown imo is the best goal to aim for in the begning.
now im off to go surfing with my awesome friends,its going to be radical.
hope this clears up any problems you had with my non irish lingo DUUUDDDDDEEEEEEE!:D

Ok I take back the dude thing ! Look the statement you made was totally 'ace'. You are clearly going surfing and I admit that is where the 'action' is at! I know I come across as a bit of an 'airhead' and I am sorry. I am really 'beat' after my long day so I wont stay long, I nearly 'barfed' after lunch. Please let's not get 'bent out of shape' you seem like a really nice guy.I don't want either of us to 'blow a fuse'. If I could get to New york I would apologize but the radar dish is down in Dublin airport, a real 'bummer'. One sec I need to go to the 'can'.... I'm back. You should 'defo' 'catch some rays' on the beach.

Anima

Well I've heard that term used a lot, "Polish a turd". Every time I've heard it being used though it refers to sample choice. In other words, don't use crap sounding samples because you'll never get them to sound as good as high quality ones. Which I guess is the same thing really. No pointing mastering something and amplifying the bad quality. Better off keeping it quiet :pac:

seannash

dav nagle wrote: »

Ok I take back the dude thing ! Look the statement you made was totally 'ace'. You are clearly going surfing and I admit that is where the 'action' is at! I know I come across as a bit of an 'airhead' and I am sorry. I am really 'beat' after my long day so I wont stay long, I nearly 'barfed' after lunch. Please let's not get 'bent out of shape' you seem like a really nice guy.I don't want either of us to 'blow a fuse'. If I could get to New york I would apologize but the radar dish is down in Dublin airport, a real 'bummer'. One sec I need to go to the 'can'.... I'm back. You should 'defo' 'catch some rays' on the beach.

id just like to say i never use any of those words but hey nice apology.
see its not so hard to admit you were wrong:D
altogh i have to say,why did you put "action,bent out of shape,defo,blow a fuse" in commas.i think alot of irish people use those words.
anyway i guess ive been schooled,i wont dare write a response to a query without checking my local slang and irish sayings first.
but yeah it was a good way to avoid the fact that you jumped the gun.:D
i was giving him my opinion on him trying to figure out mastering.i said try get a good mixdown first and not worry about mastering for now.
now you went on to take my slang phrase(which other irish people have heard by the way and dont seem to takle great offence to) as me telling him not to try.all this talk about vocal tuning(which i still say has to be taken care of in the mixdown stage as mastering wont fix an out of tune singer which is embedded in the song).you missed my point,which i think is valid.
but lets get back to slagging me off for living in a different country.
you probably think im not as irish as you,right:D

seannash

Anima wrote: »

Well I've heard that term used a lot, "Polish a turd". Every time I've heard it being used though it refers to sample choice. In other words, don't use crap sounding samples because you'll never get them to sound as good as high quality ones. Which I guess is the same thing really. No pointing mastering something and amplifying the bad quality. Better off keeping it quiet :pac:

well this was my point but i guess some people didnt get what i was saying.
i wasnt mentioning samples though but more just a badly mixed track.
im not saying his tracks are but if hes only starting out he might not be mixing down as good as he will in 6 months with practice.

dav nagle

dav nagle wrote: »

Ok I take back the dude thing ! Look the statement you made was totally 'ace'. You are clearly going surfing and I admit that is where the 'action' is at! I know I come across as a bit of an 'airhead' and I am sorry. I am really 'beat' after my long day so I wont stay long, I nearly 'barfed' after lunch. Please let's not get 'bent out of shape' you seem like a really nice guy.I don't want either of us to 'blow a fuse'. If I could get to New york I would apologize but the radar dish is down in Dublin airport, a real 'bummer'. One sec I need to go to the 'can'.... I'm back. You should 'defo' 'catch some rays' on the beach.

This conversation 'is like so over'

empirix

I'd recommend sticking with reason and rewire it into protools, Reason is perfect for electronic music and its easy and fun to use. Logic you need a mac which will set you back about a grand, so your looking at shelling out (at least)1500 euro.

For that i would buy protools m - powered(need an maudio sound card or digidesign)) and buy a good analog synth like the Access Virus Indigo etc.

I do most of my beats in reason and record my synths into Pro tools and master in pro tools etc, it sounds nice and that @reason@ sound is gone!!! You can also get a plugin adapter fopr 40 euro for protools so you can use most vst's around.

electrikpulse - dark sector very noticeable reason 4 thor synths there, you always use presets?

turf

im already on a mac.. nice. rite well im thinkin protools and see how i get on. get some of those waves plugins ive read so much about nd see if i lik usin it.

wats the plugin adaptor you mentioned?

empirix

this one its actually around 80 notes:

http://www.fxpansion.com/index.php?page=15


And as for waves plugins "Waves" plugins are amazingly expensive!

seannash

id just avoid getting excited and buying a lot of stuff you dont need right now.
waves plug ins is something you could buy further down the line.
my advice would be to ditch reason and use logic.i recently switched and my music sounds better than ever.
like was said before the majority of pros making dance music are using logic.
but pro tools os definitely a good option too

nicknackgtb

I just got into using ableton there and find it so easy to create anything on it. I have a crack logic and still need to sit down at it to figure it out but from friends word of mouth they say its class and easy to use!

Have a set of native synths running through ableton and can use them with midi keyboard, so handy.

Reason for me just seemed a bit mad to get started with but in future would like to be able to use it more