why on earth would anyone buy a new car?!

stek

I drive a 10 yer old VW. I have no problems with it, keep it serviced.

If I tip a pole or similar when parking I dont have to check if the paints been scratched!
I can park it in the dodgiest places and not worry about it being stolen or broken into.
I bought it 2nd hand and it was paid off years ago, more funds for travelling,house,entertainment, etc..
It gets me to my destination just as fast as me mates 20K$+ car and keeps me just as dry as him!
It has all the mod cons and if I hoover it out every now and then it smells just as good.
Can someone please explain the advantages of having a new car?

challengemaster

IMO depends on the car.

Some of the new yokes around are piles of steaming...

Others though..

In the end it all comes down to the person. What they like, what they want.. luxuries like having the latest x or y keep us all content, makes the world go around, etc etc.

Personally - no offence to you or your car - It'd make me feel quite good about myself to have a Nissan GT-R or the likes under me.

Rb

I don't know either, the sheer amount they drop off their price the minute they're driven out of the dealership would put me off ever buying one new.

its the factor of saying 'i can afford this' also my mammy says she buys brand new cars because it comes with a warranty (shes afraid something will break and cost her a fortune)

silly billys really

Run_to_da_hills

A company dose not its image tarnished by having their sales reps and executives driving around in 10 year old bangers. They need something that is fresh looking, 100% reliable and covered by a main dealer warrenty. New cars can also be a tax write off. Hire companies also buy fresh cars in large quanyities, usually stock from a main dealer that is not shifting due to colour or a model that is going to become opsolete, they get these at a considerable good discount.

Those with new cars do not have too worry about the NCT for 4 years, this would suit old ones with a few bob. Doctors, accountants and solicitors can also write off the cost of a very expensive car on their earnings, they can say they need it for their job. Taxies and hackneys will soon have no choice but to have cars less than 9 years old and can also write off the cost of a fresh car on their earnings.

woodseb

stek wrote: »

II can park it in the dodgiest places and not worry about it being stolen or broken into.

older cars are easier and more likely to be stolen by today's discerning car thief

yop

stek wrote: »

I drive a 10 yer old VW. I have no problems with it, keep it serviced.

If I tip a pole or similar when parking I dont have to check if the paints been scratched!
I can park it in the dodgiest places and not worry about it being stolen or broken into.
I bought it 2nd hand and it was paid off years ago, more funds for travelling,house,entertainment, etc..
It gets me to my destination just as fast as me mates 20K$+ car and keeps me just as dry as him!
It has all the mod cons and if I hoover it out every now and then it smells just as good.
Can someone please explain the advantages of having a new car?

It wasnt that lowered Jetta with the 4 spoke black alloys I saw in Westport at the weekend is it lad :P

Valid point, some older cars still have great comfort and economy.

maidhc

Depends to some extent on the amount of driving, although I know few people change their cars based on this criteria. A person who does 50k kms a year is more than justified to change their car every year or two.

Personally I like the idea of buying at 3-4 years old and selling on when it is 7 or 8 years... You avoid the worst of the depreciation and the car never really reaches "banger" status. I have a buyer for my current car already and wont be shifting it for 18 months or so!

fletch

Safety might be an issue too.....I'd love a Peugeot 106 GTI but am put off by the fact that I am certain to die in a crash.

kluivert

People buy new cars because they fear second hand cars have either been crashed and badly repaired, clocked, stolen, abused etc.

By buying new they can have confidence that the car is righ from day one, where as buying second hand can be a risk but rewarding when you get a good one.

I agree with OP. My car is nine year old and going like a trooper. Its in Advanced Pit Stop now getting the brake fluid changed. Fingers Crossed.

Bluefoam

stek wrote: »

I drive a 10 yer old VW. I have no problems with it, keep it serviced.

If I tip a pole or similar when parking I dont have to check if the paints been scratched!

How often do you drive into lamposts - people like you scare me, you obviously don't have much regard for the condition of your car & possibly the kind of person who wouldn't think twice about opening your door on my car...

Slig

Bluefoam wrote: »

How often do you drive into lamposts - people like you scare me, you obviously don't have much regard for the condition of your car & possibly the kind of person who wouldn't think twice about opening your door on my car...

Here we go again..................:D

Image has to be one of the major factors, and number plate snobbery. The irish car industry has gained a lot from having the year of registration clearly shown on your number plate.
If you are clever you can spend a lump sum on a new car and then a couple of grand every couple of years trading up. I spent the same amount trading up 2 years to a '02 as a mate did trading a 2 year old for a new.
Personally I couldnt justify spending more than 20K on a car when there is so much available for a lot less, and I agree with you about the lamp posts, a ding on the back of a 2 week old car is a lot more devestating than one on a 10 year old.

pigeonbutler

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

A company dose not its image tarnished by having their sales reps and executives driving around in 10 year old bangers. They need something that is fresh looking, 100% reliable and covered by a main dealer warrenty. New cars can also be a tax write off. Hire companies also buy fresh cars in large quanyities, usually stock from a main dealer that is not shifting due to colour or a model that is going to become opsolete, they get these at a considerable good discount.

Those with new cars do not have too worry about the NCT for 4 years, this would suit old ones with a few bob. Doctors, accountants and solicitors can also write off the cost of a very expensive car on their earnings, they can say they need it for their job. Taxies and hackneys will soon have no choice but to have cars less than 9 years old and can also write off the cost of a fresh car on their earnings.

The tax benefit of buying a new car is spread out over an 8 year period, and there's no benefit at all on any spend beyond €24,000. Therefore the maximum tax benefit you'll get is reducing your income by €3,000 a year, i.e. reducing your tax bill by €1,230 if you're paying at the top rate.

That's only for cars of course. Commercial vehicles are a different story.

T-Maxx

Because they can afford to. Simple as that.

Slig

T-Maxx wrote: »

Because they can afford to. Simple as that.

How many new cars aree bought with cash? and how many are financed?

RobAMerc

because they want one - you don't, fine

Although reading your post I think you are trying more to justify why you are keeping you old car than wondering why others buy new.

MarkN

It really doesn't matter whether it's a lump sum or not Slig. The point T-Maxx made is, repayments or no repayments, they can afford to.

Now if you want to sit at home with your 10 year old car and say "I'm saving a fortune and I've a load of cash under the bed sitting there" that's cool.. but not everybody wants to do that!

pburns

stek wrote: »

I drive a 10 yer old VW. I have no problems with it, keep it serviced.

If I tip a pole or similar when parking I dont have to check if the paints been scratched!
I can park it in the dodgiest places and not worry about it being stolen or broken into.
I bought it 2nd hand and it was paid off years ago, more funds for travelling,house,entertainment, etc..
It gets me to my destination just as fast as me mates 20K$+ car and keeps me just as dry as him!
It has all the mod cons and if I hoover it out every now and then it smells just as good.
Can someone please explain the advantages of having a new car?

Well I just bought a brand new car last week;). I can see your point to a certain degree however, it's a valid argument.

I love cars however and even though I had a vague notion of changing, I didn't take the plunge until I drove somewthing I really fell for (the new Subaru diesel). Although I am more than aware of the depreciation I will suffer:(, I didn't need to take out a loan so guilt is nullified somewhat. Also the new VRT changes benefited me.

I've encountered your attitude before and I have to say, there is a certain amount of smugness about this 'banger-nomics' approach that is a bit grating. It also ignores one crucial point:
we are only on this planet for three-score-and-ten (well probably a bit more these days, hopefully!), we only pass through life once. If splurging a bit of money on a new car gives you your kicks then go for it.

Bluefoam wrote: »

How often do you drive into lamposts - people like you scare me, you obviously don't have much regard for the condition of your car & possibly the kind of person who wouldn't think twice about opening your door on my car...

That's a bit OTT in fairness. People who obsess about people banging their doors in car-parks scare ME:eek:! Mind you since I got my new car I'm a bit like that but hopefully another week or two it'll wear off.

bigpinkelephant

I don't know if you mean brand new, or "new to you" but I am buying a new car in the next few weeks. I have my heart set on a Ford Focus Hatchback, 2004/2003, and am just waiting on the right one to pop up on Carzone. The cars on Carzone have gotten much better in the past few months- I have noticed 2005s now selling for the same price as what you would have paid for a 2003 a few months ago, with similar mileages.

Reason I am buying it is that I currently have a 1997 Punto which I have had since I got my first driving lesson in November. It is a reliable old thing and gets me from A to B but I only really bought it to learn in. Now that I have passed my test and the worst of my driving is over without damaging the Punto I feel I can trust myself to spend a significant amount on something nicer. The Punto has no airbags and is not the most comfortable car in the world so I am upgrading. I am giving the Punto to my little brother, at 17 he will have enough to pay in insurance without having to fork out on a car.

Slig

Same reason people build big houses, or SUVs.
They say its because they want to.

T-Maxx

Slig wrote: »

Same reason people build big houses, or SUVs.
They say its because they want to.

Some people buy big houses because they have big families. Some people buy SUV's not because they want to but because they need to for their work.

Bluefoam

T-Maxx wrote: »

Some people buy big houses because they have big families. Some people buy SUV's not because they want to but because they need to for their work.

I drove a freelander during the week & have to say that it was tiny inside (much smaller than a ford focus) it has a horrible cabin & I just couldn't get a comfortable driving position - too cramped. TBH same goes for alot of SUV's, I don't understand them. SUV's don't offer much more internal space than many saloon or estate cars.

L1011

Because I'm a wanker who wants a custom reg plate

But yes, thats the only reason I'd buy the car I'm looking at new, is to get the plate I want on it (if I get said plate). Otherwise, 1 to 2 year old s/hand will do fine, and still be in warranty.

superjosh9

I hear its because they hate going to the NCT centres..!

In reality though, how many millionaires (actual ones) would have posted this thread? I'm confident that we all buy the cars that we can best reasonably afford - based on our particular needs - which obviously differ from person to person.

Personally, with all these LHD cars on the road, safety is now a much bigger factor than it was - but maybe I've been unlucky to come across people driving straight for me three times now.

Johnny Utah

pburns wrote: »

That's a bit OTT in fairness. People who obsess about people banging their doors in car-parks scare ME:eek:! Mind you since I got my new car I'm a bit like that but hopefully another week or two it'll wear off.

It's not OTT. Why should I have to put up with some neanderthol swinging his door out only to damage my car? It's still damage to property whatever way you look at it.

How would you like it if I came round to your house and started knocking lumps of plaster off; "as shure it's only a house". :mad:

Eoin

pburns wrote: »

I've encountered your attitude before and I have to say, there is a certain amount of smugness about this 'banger-nomics' approach that is a bit grating. It also ignores one crucial point:
we are only on this planet for three-score-and-ten (well probably a bit more these days, hopefully!), we only pass through life once. If splurging a bit of money on a new car gives you your kicks then go for it.

Well said - smugness really sums it up.

You also find people who congratulate themselves on saving €€€'s by buying a 2nd hand car going out and spending a few K on new alloys, which other people would see as much of a waste as buying a brand new car.

I wonder do the same people also buy second hand clothes as well. After all, depreciation on clothes is pretty much 100% as soon as you buy them.

CPG

Bluefoam wrote: »

How often do you drive into lamposts - people like you scare me, you obviously don't have much regard for the condition of your car & possibly the kind of person who wouldn't think twice about opening your door on my car...

Read the post ! What is his first word ????

Bluefoam

CPG wrote: »

Read the post ! What is his first word ????

"I"

BTW, why am I being attacked for being concerned about my car? I have only ever bought second hand, but am very particular about the condition of my car...

sk8board

Bluefoam wrote: »

why am I being attacked for being concerned about my car? I have only ever bought second hand, but am very particular about the condition of my car...

I don't think anyone is attacking you, but from the tone of your post its sounds as if you have just come back from a car-park after discovering your car dented!

If you haven't, then you seem unnaturally concerned about it happening.

Cars get dented and swap paint in car-parks. It happens.

peasant

Bluefoam

sk8board wrote: »

Cars get dented and swap paint in car-parks. It happens.

Am I the only one who sees this as a problem?

HashSlinging

5 star NCAP has something to do with my changing. Gained two stars over my last car. Maybe thats marketing for you. But im never going to need another car IMO.

Akrasia

Bluefoam wrote: »

I drove a freelander during the week & have to say that it was tiny inside (much smaller than a ford focus) it has a horrible cabin & I just couldn't get a comfortable driving position - too cramped. TBH same goes for alot of SUV's, I don't understand them. SUV's don't offer much more internal space than many saloon or estate cars.

yep, landrovers are a load of rubbish. They're for people who really want a range rover but are too afraid to buy one second hand.


My perspective on buying new is fairly simple. Lets say I have €29,000 to spend

I could buy a new toyota avensis with a few optional extras, or I could buy a 4 year old bmw 5 series, or a 5 year old merc S 500 with all the bells and whistles.

It's not a hard decision when you look at it like that.

Kafer

A 4 or 5 year old luxury car will be far from cheap motoring. Its at this age that need serious money ploughed into them for repairs and servicing. There is a lot said for buying a new car with a 2 or 3 year old warranty with peace of mind motoring, especially when spending 30K. Its the total cost of ownership thing.

conneem-TT

Slig wrote: »

I agree with you about the lamp posts, a ding on the back of a 2 week old car is a lot more devestating than one on a 10 year old.

Depends on how much pride you put in your car. It wouldn't matter to me if I could only afford a 10 year old car, but I would get something interesting that was looked after and I would look after it aswell.

I do agree with you about getting huge loans/leases for cars, it's just not necessary and a bit foolish and I believe it is the number plate to be somewhat responsible.

I know a two people for example who last year changed their two year old Golf/Astra for the exact same just new and a different colour . The only logical reason for me to change a car is to upgrade to something better or if more accomodation is needed.

Guy:Incognito

Why buy anything new for that matter? Root throught the buy and sell & similar and get all your goods 2nd hand.

I drive an 8 year old car and look after it as if it were new. I'd still buy a brand new car in a heartbeat if funds allow. I like being the only person to have ever owned and driven my car, choosing it to be the way I want etc.

stek

just got back from tipping a few lamposts. Obviously I would have the greatest respect for other peoples property, what Im trying to say is i tipped a lampost last month, and it did not ruin my day(thats a good thing, no?).
so the advantages are-
Because they want to- thats grand if you can afford it obviously, but if they cant, its pretty self indulgent and not nassesary, unless they have no other interests other than cars.

For the 08 reg- sad!

For the warranty- do the maths, 20k on new car= no maintenance bills over 2 years, 5k on 2nd hand car + mantenance bill of max 2k over 2 years= 7k

NCT centres are a nightmare but again still saving 13k, imagine the holidays you could go on!worth a few hours once every 2 years,no?

Safety- I have driver/passenger airbags, no SIPs, but not many new cars have either(i could be wrong there). If its kept WELL serviced(wheels,tyres,engine,lights) wheres the advantage?

I think the biggest advantage is being the only person to have driven the car, at least then you will know it inside out and know when something is wrong, service is due,tyres..etc..and youll looks after it alot more. But on the same note, wouldnt the person buying the car off you take all that goodwill with them? Know what i mean..

S.I.R

stek wrote: »

I drive a 10 yer old VW. I have no problems with it, keep it serviced.

If I tip a pole or similar when parking I dont have to check if the paints been scratched!
I can park it in the dodgiest places and not worry about it being stolen or broken into.
I bought it 2nd hand and it was paid off years ago, more funds for travelling,house,entertainment, etc..
It gets me to my destination just as fast as me mates 20K$+ car and keeps me just as dry as him!
It has all the mod cons and if I hoover it out every now and then it smells just as good.
Can someone please explain the advantages of having a new car?

Drive a Brand New car, Any make/model and you'll understand

vectra

stek wrote: »

imagine the holidays you could go on!
.

Now there is the biggest waste of money I can imagine
Throwing money down the loo
What you spend on 2 weeks hols every year would cover a few repayments on a new car

Reason some of us buy new cars is to make sure there are enough old worn out ones available for the skinflints that wont buy new..

I boght my first new car this year and will never ain buy an old one
No comparison

Cmar-Ireland

Could never see the logic in it personally. I would prefer to buy something more prestigious than to get a lower spec new car.
Some people mentioned maintenance and servicing, but if like me, you enjoy diy maintenance of you car, this isn't an issue.

Maybe if I won the lotto I'd splash out on a new one, but otherwise I'll stick with my 2nd handers.

Well wear to anyone that buys new though.

Bluefoam

Cmar-Ireland wrote: »

Some people mentioned maintenance and servicing, but if like me, you enjoy diy maintenance of you car, this isn't an issue.

Some people just aren't that way inclined & the car industry hasn't exactly done itself any favours over the years - we are all aware of dodgy dealers. So in order to protect themselves and to sleep better at night, some people buy new, it takes the risk out of the purchase for them.

Another matter altogether are people who buy new for the prestige of a new plate & others who buy Volkswagens in order to own an over priced under specked car...

Slig

peasant wrote: »

and if i'm not mistaken there is a tight right hander on the way aswell:D

WHITE_P

I needed to change my car this year as we had a new addition to the family, and while it was possible to fit three child seats across the back of my previous car, it was a real pain in the arse to do so. I would have bought a second hand 07 car from northern Ireland if I could have sold my own car privately, but there was no takers on my car, so I traded it in off a new car. The dealer then sold my old car for about two grand more than I had it advertised for, and it sold within two weeks of me trading it in.

Fair play to the OP and many others here who run older cars and maintain them, themselves, I would love to buy an older GTI or the like, but with time constraints of raring three kids, it's hard enough finding the time to look after the new car.

superjosh9

is this thread still going?!

pburns

vectra wrote: »

Now there is the biggest waste of money I can imagine
Throwing money down the loo
What you spend on 2 weeks hols every year would cover a few repayments on a new car

That's a pretty sad attitude TBH:rolleyes:...

vectra

pburns wrote: »

That's a pretty sad attitude TBH:rolleyes:...

Your reason being ?:rolleyes:

daRobot

Another topic of " Something is outside my realm of understanding because i'm so wrapped up in my own beliefs and I can't understand how anyone would do something different to me "

Along the lines of the classics :

Why would you have a petrol instead of a diesel when it (once) was cheaper

or

Why buy a big 100k car? Sure a 10k car will get you to A to B just the same aswell won't it.


And you're asking this question on a forum where people are supposedly into Cars? Worst thread ever.

siralfalot

daRobot wrote: »

Another topic of " Something is outside my realm of understanding because i'm so wrapped up in my own beliefs and I can't understand how anyone would do something different to me "

Along the lines of the classics :

Why would you have a petrol instead of a diesel when it (once) was cheaper

or

Why buy a big 100k car? Sure a 10k car will get you to A to B just the same aswell won't it.


And you're asking this question on a forum where people are supposedly into Cars? Worst thread ever.

finally a voice of reason

different strokes for different folks and all that

my own personal opinion?
I would find it very hard to spend say €40k on a new car just because its a new car, I'd look at the like of a Golf GTI, etc and then realise that I can get a second hand Maserati 3200GT, Lotus Exige, TVR Tuscan or Porsche 911 from the UK for the same price. the fact that its second hand wouldn't worry me, but those are my own personal views and I don't force them on anyone

jimmycrackcorm

Some of us have had so much hassle dealing with repairs and the costs of maintenance of an older car that it's worth the benefit and peace of mind in having a new car.

ToolFool

People buy new cars thinking that they'll save money in the long run because they "won't have to spend money on repairs". Most modern cars suck.
The wiring, and electrics are all fundamentally flawed.
Try waiting at the side of a road for roadside assistance a few times with your new car, and you'll know what i'm talking about.
I'd rather spend my money on a second hand, quality, proven car, than a new car.
But that's just me.

vectra

ToolFool wrote: »

People buy new cars thinking that they'll save money in the long run because they "won't have to spend money on repairs". Most modern cars suck.
The wiring, and electrics are all fundamentally flawed.
Try waiting at the side of a road for roadside assistance a few times with your new car, and you'll know what i'm talking about.
I'd rather spend my money on a second hand, quality, proven car, than a new car.
But that's just me.

And you obviously know this from owning a new car at one point I assume ?