Kids flashed at

Maddison · 09-07-2008 5:34pm #1

Hi guys,

Just wanted to see what your thoughts were on this.
I was driving along a main north dublin street with my 4 year old & his cousin of the same age. We came to a stop at the traffic lights(this is at 4pm today)when out of the corner of my eye I noticed that the car that was pulled up right next to us had a female of about thirty with her a*se out the window, no pants on spreading herself so basically was showing EVERYTHING. Considering she was a backseat passenger she was in the direct vision of the kids. I was horrified & rolled down my window & shouted at them that there were kids in my car & could see everything. The two males in the front had their windows rolled down so definately heard me but ignored what I was saying & were laughing away. I had to tell the kids look straight ahead to to distract them.I mean im in nooooo way a prude but i was horrified cause she was in effect flashing her f*anny at two 4 year olds.SICK!I went to the garda station on my way home I was so disgusted & gave the reg of the car etc....Any one think anything will be done??

MarkR · 09-07-2008 6:02pm

i'm sure they'll follow up on that. She'll probably get a tongue lashing. No pun intended.

Maddison · 09-07-2008 6:53pm

Somehow I didnt think the guard was taking it too seriously judging by his smirk, in all fairness If I had've been travelling alone I prob would have found it funny. But It peed me off cause I had kids in the car & I thought it was a bit perverted.

MJOR · 09-07-2008 8:18pm

What a dirty specimen of the female species..... Yucky a f*nny at four eeeeeewwwwwwwww:mad:

Nevyn · 09-07-2008 8:18pm

Well yes I would have reported them and I woudl suggest you follow up with the garda about it.
Sould I be shocked and appalled at my children seeing someone's exposed gentials ?
Nope, I know my kids and they would think that the people in the other care were being idiots and rude more then anything else.

Maddison · 10-07-2008 7:41am

I dont think the kids noticed thank god, I was just disgusted that it was a woman that was old enough to know better that was doing it & directly at children. Was just sick after it, wasnt as if she had a nice bum to flash!!The gusrd said that they'd give me a call, but that basically chances were that nothing would come of it, I asked him could the owner of the vehicle not be fined for not controlling his passengers & he kinda shrugged it off. God having flashbacks now, ugly bum...ewwww

Maximilian · 10-07-2008 8:33am

Northsiders...

Sherifu · 10-07-2008 8:41am

I'm thinking shouting at them is not the best way to distract the kids. Other than that all you can do is report it. Did you get the licence plate number?

pvt.joker · 10-07-2008 8:44am

You should have taken t a photo of the car as proof for the guards

any chance of a look?

Mena · 10-07-2008 8:55am

Maybe I'm in the wrong but I would have laughed it off (and probably taken a picture!). There's nothing wrong with nudity in my opinion.

However, having thought about it, it would probably be a different story if it was some old geezer flashing my kids alone in a park or whatever, but the scenario presented by the OP is nothing but a bit of harmless fun, in my view.

Mr Magnolia · 10-07-2008 9:01am

This isn't nudity, it's exposure. It's not big, funny or clever and it shouldn't be treated so trivially.

If it had happened to me they would have got a very short sharp shock. Children should not be exposed to this. Make sure the Garda pursue it, if they don't threaten to go to their superiors and/or the media.

Damomayo · 10-07-2008 9:03am

IMO mooning is harmless fun at 4 AM ......... but 4 PM at 4 eyar old kids is total wrong.
Don't think anything will happen to them though

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 10-07-2008 9:32am

well, personally I think it's hilarious.

Gone West · 10-07-2008 9:54am

What time was this? I mean if it was night time, I'd expect that sort of arseing around, probably from drunks. But, the bare faced cheek of them if it was like the crack of dawn or whatever!
The Gardai probably don't have the resources to get to the bottom of this, even though indecent exposure would certainly land them in the crapper. If it was me, I would have reared my car up a gear and sped away until they were well behind me.

Something like this happened Ita Hiney, a friend of mine and she was stripped of her licence. She had to bum lifts everywhere for 2 years!

Khannie · 10-07-2008 10:30am

Princess Innocent Knickers wrote: »

well, personally I think it's hilarious.

And you have kids? If you do, how would you feel about a man flashing your children at 4pm? Similarly hillarious?

Mr Magnolia wrote: »

This isn't nudity, it's exposure. It's not big, funny or clever and it shouldn't be treated so trivially.

Couldn't agree more.

Mr Magnolia wrote: »

If it had happened to me they would have got a very short sharp shock.

+1

Maddison wrote: »

The gusrd said that they'd give me a call, but that basically chances were that nothing would come of it

This I just CANNOT understand. You have the reg of the car in question. There is NO REASON that nothing should come of it. Definitely call them to follow it up. Dirty dirty bitch.

Nevyn · 10-07-2008 11:13am

This forums charter was updated recently I suggest that
Princess Innocent Knickers, Maximilian and pvt.joker read it and abide it.

Maddison · 10-07-2008 1:00pm

Thanks Thaeydael, It was disgraceful behaviour from a woman towards children, I couldnt speed off as I was at red lights so there really was nothing I could do apart from asking could she put it away, not to mention it wasnt just mooning as she deliberately spread *coughs* herself, put it this way I saw a piercing that only her lovers should see. I gave the guards the make, colour & reg of the vehicle but Im really not holding my breath. If I could have I would have followed them to wherever the were going & ate them alive but I had the kids with me. Im all for having fun & larking about but at the end of the day there is a time & a place. Of course my son will encounter nudity....... its natural, but what was exposed was more than a bare bum.

Khannie · 10-07-2008 1:07pm

Maddison wrote: »

I gave the guards the make, colour & reg of the vehicle but Im really not holding my breath.

Please, for me and other parents whose kids may be exposed to this scumbag (excuse the pun), follow this up with the gardai. There is no reason that they should not be able to find and prosecute this person. Especially if you can give detail like she has a piercing.

Maddison · 10-07-2008 1:22pm

Im going to call the station later & see were they able to follow up, will keep you posted on what they say. But keep the comments coming, I thought that I was over reacting but judging by some feedback Im not!

Sulukie · 10-07-2008 1:57pm

Definitely not overeacting Maddison, I think its totally disgusting behaviour. Fair play to you for reporting it. I'm not a prude by any means and if I saw that on a night out I would probably laugh it off but a very different story during the day in front of children.

Sulukie

Nevyn · 10-07-2008 2:03pm

If you have the time I sould suggest that you go back with a camera and have a look at the junction and see if there CCTV cams on the ligths or any where near by and take a pic of the placement of the camera and a note of where they are and bring the info and the pics back to the garda station and ask to talk to the desk sarge.
Make sure you have the date and time of when it happened.

Victor · 10-07-2008 2:06pm

Maddison wrote: »

The gusrd said that they'd give me a call, but that basically chances were that nothing would come of it, I asked him could the owner of the vehicle not be fined for not controlling his passengers & he kinda shrugged it off.

Passenger: Fine + points for not wearing a seat belt. ???? for indecency
Driver: Driving with an unsecured load.

Khannie · 10-07-2008 2:36pm

Sulukie wrote: »

if I saw that on a night out I would probably laugh it off but a very different story during the day in front of children.

Bingo. Would almost certainly break my bollix laughing if it happened on a night out. In front of my children....you'd better run, foo.

AckwelFoley · 10-07-2008 8:07pm

what on odd lady..

Davidth88 · 11-07-2008 6:49am

You are not overreacting, I truly hope they ( the Gards ) do something , but I wouldn't hold my breath.

slarkin123 · 11-07-2008 8:20am

Thats disgraceful. I'm be furious if it happened to my kids. You should keep on at the gardai until they do decided to do something about it. These people should at least get a warning for exposing in front of kids.

littlebug · 11-07-2008 10:28am

Mena wrote: »

Maybe I'm in the wrong but I would have laughed it off (and probably taken a picture!). There's nothing wrong with nudity in my opinion.

However, having thought about it, it would probably be a different story if it was some old geezer flashing my kids alone in a park or whatever, but the scenario presented by the OP is nothing but a bit of harmless fun, in my view.

And if it was an old geezer flashing his bits at your kids while you're stopped at traffic lights what would you think?

Nudity is all very well but spreading her bits against the window for all to see in broad daylight is indecency IMO. Ewwww...

Maximilian · 11-07-2008 10:35am

Thaedydal wrote: »

This forums charter was updated recently I suggest that
Princess Innocent Knickers, Maximilian and pvt.joker read it and abide it.

In fairness, I think this was still in AH when those comments were made.

Nevyn · 11-07-2008 11:09am

There is no listing in the mod log of this being moved from AH.

Maximilian · 11-07-2008 11:36am

Really? It's possible I was sniffing glue again.

Now to figure out why the hell I might have been browsing through the Parenting forum...

In any event, my apologies.

Carrigart Exile · 11-07-2008 1:12pm

I cannot help thinking had you said it was a man in a raincoat that flashed at two 4 year olds the pitchforks and nooses would be out as the 'peadophile' screaming mob went for a lynching.

Davidth88 · 11-07-2008 1:35pm

I cannot help thinking had you said it was a man in a raincoat that flashed at two 4 year olds the pitchforks and nooses would be out as the 'peadophile' screaming mob went for a lynching.

I was going to put EXACTLY the same thing almost word for word.

+100000000000000

Maddison · 11-07-2008 2:28pm

Still nothing back from the gardai, I tried calling but they said that Id need to speak to the guard that I made the statement to, somehow I get the feeling that its gone into the back of a very dusty filing cabinet marked ''not important''.
I never posted this subject in after hours.....I normally go to AH for a chuckle and someone exposing her genitalia to my kids is not chuckleworthy. I remember when we were kids that if there was inclidents of flashing in & around schools that notes would be sent home to parents, of course these were normally males flashing. I think that this is being shrugged off as its a female flasher??I could be wrong of course. I dont think that its even a case that the driver allowed unrestrained passengers to indencently expose themselves to minors but also if they had of done this whilst moving they could have caused a serious accident, imagine an elderly person was driving alongside them & the fright they could get.

buckrodgers · 13-07-2008 10:28pm

Whats worse is that madam will probably have kids herself someday. Surely the report to the gaurds should be on their system for any gaurd to look up. Can the gaurd you reported it to not ring you back. Very bad form if he doesnt.

Victor · 15-07-2008 5:38pm

buckrodgers wrote: »

Whats worse is that madam will probably have kids herself someday.

It was a prank that went to far. Made all made mistakes in our youth.

OP, if you feel the local gardai are taking you seriously, you could contact the Garda Domestic Violence & Sexual Assault Investigations Unit, Harcourt Square, Dublin 2. 01 666 6666. Although this would be at the lower end of the scale of what they deal with.

the_syco · 15-07-2008 5:53pm

Due to the double standards/positive discrimination in this country, I'd say the guard would have taken it more seriously if a guy was flashing your kids, but as it was a woman, she may just get a warning for something along the lines of jay walking.

Khannie · 15-07-2008 7:52pm

Victor wrote: »

all made mistakes in our youth.

This is true also.

I once mooned a police car. By mistake! True story.

Queen-Mise · 16-07-2008 9:34pm

When you make a statement to the guards like that - they are three outcomes, note it in their log, they can give someone a warning/caution or bring them to court.

find out when the guard is on next, the police work strange shifts, make it completely clear to them you are willing to bring it to court. If you don't get a satisfactory response of the guard, ask to speak to a sergeant & do the same.

this was indecent exposure to two minors - i would presume it will also have consequence for people involved if convicted in the future.

Maddison · 18-07-2008 7:53pm

Victor wrote: »

It was a prank that went to far. Made all made mistakes in our youth.

OP, if you feel the local gardai are taking you seriously, you could contact the Garda Domestic Violence & Sexual Assault Investigations Unit, Harcourt Square, Dublin 2. 01 666 6666. Although this would be at the lower end of the scale of what they deal with.

Victor, as the ''lady'' in question was approx 30+ years old I think she should be past childish pranks. Not to mention there were also 2 adult males in the front of the car. And pulling a mooner is fine with me but theres a difference between a night time drunken moon towards another adult...... its entirely different at 4pm towards a 3 year old & 4 year old.

Have rang the garda station twice this week, judging by the muffled sniggers on the other end of the phone this occurence was probably a lunch time giggle. Im going to call again on Monday & if I dont get a result I would like to go higher although giving the garda something to talk isnt what Im after. All Id like is something, even if they were to lie to me at least they are making the effort of making up such lie!!

Nevyn · 18-07-2008 8:02pm

http://www.gardaombudsman.ie/

Alice1 · 19-07-2008 4:07pm

Maddison,
Please do follow this up - it was entirely unacceptable. Indecent exposure to adults is serious enough - but to two small children it is truly disgusting.

I would suggest putting your complaint in writing - so you have a record.

Please let us know how you get on. I'd hate that to happen to my children.

silverside · 19-07-2008 4:16pm

well i would consider it "indecent exposure" - personally i dont think the kids are going to be damaged by it but i would be annoyed at the woman who did it - there is a bit of double standards creeping in, if it was a 60yo man would you have the same attitude? if there is a complaint the guards should pursue it and at the very least give her a tongue lashing.

this brings to mind the time i was on a school bus down the country , guard arranged to board the bus to catch a flasher "in the act" - he had been in the habit of exposing his bottom half below a stable door (you know the half and half ones) to the passing girls down the back of the bus each morning :-)

i dunno what happened afterwards - i was about 12 at the time, its funny looking back now !

lostinnappies · 23-07-2008 1:49pm

Maddison wrote: »

Hi guys,

Just wanted to see what your thoughts were on this.
I was driving along a main north dublin street with my 4 year old & his cousin of the same age. We came to a stop at the traffic lights(this is at 4pm today)when out of the corner of my eye I noticed that the car that was pulled up right next to us had a female of about thirty with her a*se out the window, no pants on spreading herself so basically was showing EVERYTHING. Considering she was a backseat passenger she was in the direct vision of the kids. I was horrified & rolled down my window & shouted at them that there were kids in my car & could see everything. The two males in the front had their windows rolled down so definately heard me but ignored what I was saying & were laughing away. I had to tell the kids look straight ahead to to distract them.I mean im in nooooo way a prude but i was horrified cause she was in effect flashing her f*anny at two 4 year olds.SICK!I went to the garda station on my way home I was so disgusted & gave the reg of the car etc....Any one think anything will be done??

All i can say is the Police in this country are rubbish, keep on top of it, demand to know what has been done about it and if they are putting you off and not taking your calls demand to speek to the superintendant of the station, if you get no where with that then tell them you will be reporting it to the news papers along with their names:mad: That kind of behaviour is discraceful and if i had been there at the time i would have lit a cigg and thrown it at her arse. but thats just me lol

Elessar · 24-07-2008 11:38am

I don't mean to start any kind of flame war but I cant understand peoples attitudes here.

What is so damaging to children to see a naked person? If they are 3 or 4 they're too innocent to know any different and even if they noticed it they would either laugh or look puzzled and forget about it 10 mins later. Hardly damaging.

If I was driving I'd probably just roll my eyes at the skangerness of it and drive on.

Victor · 24-07-2008 2:23pm

You need to separate a state of being (naked) and a behaviour (flashing). Flashing is deliberately provocative and is intended to insult and offend.

Just like there is a difference between urinating in a toilet and urinating in someone's post box.

Oryx · 24-07-2008 3:57pm

If this had happened to me (and I do have kids) I think Id probably have tried not to let any shock/disgust or even giggles register with the kids. Id have made it a non-event out of it, because I wouldnt want to have such things freak them out. Its just nudity and stupidity. Nupidity.:) Theyll see worse, Im sure. Our job as parents is to make them sturdy enough not to be bothered by it, imo. I know if it was a man flashing his tackle, it does seem to provoke a stronger reaction, but in my case while it might prompt a 'stay safe' conversation, Id still play it down.

As for the gardai, Ive had them treat shoplifting and a minor assault as something not worth their while investigating ('go file an insurance claim') so Id say this is not high on the agenda.

Khannie · 24-07-2008 4:32pm

Elessar wrote: »

What is so damaging to children to see a naked person?

Nothing. As victor said, there's a difference between nakedness and flashing.

Maddison · 24-07-2008 4:54pm

Hello all,

As soon as I logged on to Boards I saw my post right up the top so I thought Id ring the station again. I got a garda that was quite annoyed that no one called me back (Possibly the sargeant??) So he said he'd look into it & call me back straight away.....which he did!!He gave me the working hours of duty of the garda that took the statement, told me that my complaint has been entered into Pace & Said that once it goes on the computer it is being dealt with. I'll be ringing Monday night so!!
I wouldnt mind I got a parking fine on Sunday for slightly parking on the footpath at the Botanics, I bet that fine will be out quicker than I get a result from a complaint I made 3 weeks ago!!:rolleyes:

Alice1 · 24-07-2008 5:35pm

There is a world of difference between nudity in a safe environment with people who care about a child - and forced indecent exposure from a stranger.

Good for you Maddison - delighted that you are following this up.

I'm a bit puzzled by Oryx's wish to teach her children that such behaviour is not something to be bothered about. I consider it vital that children are aware of what is acceptable and what is unacceptable. To do otherwise makes them such easy prey.

Victor · 24-07-2008 8:54pm

Alice1 wrote: »

I'm a bit puzzled by Oryx's wish to teach her children that such behaviour is not something to be bothered about. I consider it vital that children are aware of what is acceptable and what is unacceptable. To do otherwise makes them such easy prey.

I think I understand what she is saying. It is one thing to dislike or disaprove or be disgusted by an inappropriate behaviour - it is another thing to be paniced by it.

Bullies and abusers feed off fear. If you aren't paniced or in fear, but engage in a safe response (leaving the location and reporting it to a responsible adult), then it is a win-win. Child not harmed and abuser punished. If a parent or other adult's reaction is to panic or make a further scene then children can pick up the wrong signals.

Isn't there a joke about a man who flashes two women and they laugh at him because its cold and his penis has shrivelled up.

Alice1 · 24-07-2008 9:15pm

I quite see your point Victor. It is true that some abusers use a victim's fear as a weapon against that victim.

However, it is equally true that some abusers (particularly child abusers) use a victim's innocence or ignorance as a weapon against the child. If a child does not know that the behaviour is inappropriate how can she / he remove him/herself to a safe location?

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