Hydroxycut YAY or NAY

irishvibez

Folks,

Quick question, im about to start doin a short course of Hydroxycut. I wana lose 3 stone. Im currantly up around 19.5 :eek: and a load of people have said give hydro a go.

At present i am training very hard and eating well (as well as i can). I want quick results But before you say (quick loss is bad etc etc)

I just wana lose a little bit to keep me motivated. first stone. I know a guy who dropped a stone and a half in 6 weeks he then started introducing protein shakes and came off the hydroxy 1 year later he is as fit as he has ever been and dropped over 3 stone in the year.

So i ask you, GOOD idea or BAD idea.

Thanks in advance

g'em

Bad. For so... many... reasons.

What does your "eating as well as I can" diet consist of?

irishvibez

my day yesterday for instance was:

Breakfast: Bowl of porridge

Lunch: Sub way roll. Turkey, chik, bacon, salad

Snack: Chicken wings from spar

Dinner: Warm chik salad

Supper: 6 cheese crackers

i also drank about 2.5 ltrs water

What are the many reason not to do it?

g'em

irishvibez wrote: »

What are the many reason not to do it?

Well mostly because it would be a waste of money. Hydroxycut isn't going to be able to undo the many, many wrongs that your diet is doing.

irishvibez wrote:

Breakfast: Bowl of porridge

Lunch: Sub way roll. Turkey, chik, bacon, salad

Snack: Chicken wings from spar

Dinner: Warm chik salad

Supper: 6 cheese crackers

How big is the bowl of porridge? Is it with sugar or fruit or honey?

Subway roll = pretend bread, empty calories and insulin rollercoaster.

Chicken wings? Seriously?

Home-made salad or shop bought? With or without dressing?

Ryvita crackers or Jacobs? Lots of cheese or a little?

That's not eating well, that's eating lazily.

Ninja edit: have you read any of the stickies at the top of the forum?

irishvibez

g'em wrote: »

Well mostly because it would be a waste of money. Hydroxycut isn't going to be able to undo the many, many wrongs that your diet is doing.



How big is the bowl of porridge? HONEY

Subway roll = pretend bread, empty calories and insulin rollercoaster. GOOD POINT

Chicken wings? Seriously? LOL Yeah (i was kinda doin this GI diet cut out most of carbs which is why i had sub way )

Home-made salad or shop bought? With or without dressing? Home made with small bit of dressin to make it less dry

Ryvita crackers or Jacobs? Jacobs the new ones with Chilli flakes and No cheese

That's not eating well, that's eating lazily.

I suppose

g'em

irishvibez wrote: »

I suppose

Aw

Don't worry about it, it's tough getting your head around this stuff. But I promise that some changes to your diet will make BIG differences and you'll save a fortune on diet pills!!!

Give me a minute and I'll get back to this...

g'em

Porridge first thing in the morning is fantastic stuff, those slow-release carbs keep your energy stable and should keep you full for ages. Honey is fine, but use only a small amount - a teaspoon should be enough. If it still needs sweetening try adding some blueberries, strawberries, apricots or raspberries to it.

Instead of a subway roll try hand-making your sandwiches, or even better have a salad with lots and lots of meat and/ or eggs in it. The salad veg are packed with nutrients and fibre and the meat/ eggs will provide protein to keep you satiated. A sprinkling of chopped nuts and seeds will also give you lots of good fats that you need to help metabolise body fat.

Meat and vegetables is a great dinner and it can be applied to a gazillion recipes: stir-fry's, salads, ratatouille, traditional meat n' veg (without the gravy and sauces).

Snacking mid-meal is fine, but limit it to nuts, seeds, fruit and vegetables.

Essentially you want to make all your own food and cut out the store-bought crap. Crackers are a bad idea - very processed, very little nutritional content. Cheese is ok, but in small amounts and preferably not right before bed.

There's a LOT of information in the stickies, have a read and see how you get on.

irishvibez

g'em wrote: »

Porridge first thing in the morning is fantastic stuff, those slow-release carbs keep your energy stable and should keep you full for ages. Honey is fine, but use only a small amount - a teaspoon should be enough. If it still needs sweetening try adding some blueberries, strawberries, apricots or raspberries to it.

Instead of a subway roll try hand-making your sandwiches, or even better have a salad with lots and lots of meat and/ or eggs in it. The salad veg are packed with nutrients and fibre and the meat/ eggs will provide protein to keep you satiated. A sprinkling of chopped nuts and seeds will also give you lots of good fats that you need to help metabolise body fat.

Meat and vegetables is a great dinner and it can be applied to a gazillion recipes: stir-fry's, salads, ratatouille, traditional meat n' veg (without the gravy and sauces).

Snacking mid-meal is fine, but limit it to nuts, seeds, fruit and vegetables.

Essentially you want to make all your own food and cut out the store-bought crap. Crackers are a bad idea - very processed, very little nutritional content. Cheese is ok, but in small amounts and preferably not right before bed.

There's a LOT of information in the stickies, have a read and see how you get on.

G'em you know what you are????

A little Gem Thanks a mill.

Quick quest? Do you work in the fitness industry or is it just years of practice?

g'em

No problem. And it's mostly just the latter.

irishvibez

1 more thing

More of a food question.

You say crackers are bad? Are the rivitta wholegrain crackers bad also? I sometimes eat these with some bre or similar as a snack.

What do you think of vitamins, for instance i take omega, Green tea extract, and guranna every day sometimes i tro a burroca on top of that depending on the training. Any suggestions?

g'em

irishvibez wrote: »

You say crackers are bad? Are the rivitta wholegrain crackers bad also? I sometimes eat these with some bre or similar as a snack.

Wholemeal or wholegrain crackers aren't too bad, try putting some cottage cheese on them and they'd be a great snack.

With so many options of food out there it can get quite confusing to figure otu what the best choices are. Basically when I'm looking for food to eat I think of everything as either protein, carb, or fat. Protein (meat, fish, eggs) I can eat anytime I like. Carbs (like crackers) I can eat on a day I've been training or as an accompaniment to protein. Fat I can have as an addition to meals (nuts/ seed oils) or if it's from nuts/ seeds/ avocados.

irishvibez wrote:

What do you think of vitamins, for instance i take omega, Green tea extract, and guranna every day sometimes i tro a burroca on top of that depending on the training. Any suggestions?

In all honesty if you're eating a good diet there's no real need to take vitamins - foods will usually provide everything you need AND in a form that's easier for your body to handle.

Omega oils (fish capsules or something I presume?) are good to take as the majority of Irish people don't get enough Omega fats in their diet.

If your diet was to stay the way it is now I wouldn't say you'll see anything major from the Green Tea. But if you clean it up, it may help to make your body a little more effective at burning those calories.

irishvibez

thats great advice, How much do i owe you

Im gona get on it straight away. Thanks again for your time and tips

shels4ever

I've been having a snack in the evening and it seems to be working a treat for me the past 4 week.

This is lettuce stuffed with some steamed chicken , coriander,mint , chili's a small amount of plain noodles.

Khannie

g'em wrote: »

A sprinkling of chopped nuts and seeds will also give you lots of good fats that you need to help metabolise body fat.

Slight hijack here...sorry....split if you see fit.

Can you expand on that a little? Just wondering how the good fats help you to metabolise body fat?

For what it's worth: My diet is good / very good. I eat plenty of nuts (usually a mix of walnuts, almonds and brasils over the course of the day). Partly on your advice my intake of protein and fats would be a higher percentage of my diet than the average persons. I'm interested in eventually achieving a very low body fat percentage for competitive sport purposes.

In writing this I've googled around a bit and read about the ketogenic diet, but I'm assuming that I'm never going to achieve ketosis unless I really push for it (and I don't really like the sound of it tbh).

g'em

Khannie wrote: »

Can you expand on that a little? Just wondering how the good fats help you to metabolise body fat?

To cut a very long story short good fats encourage lipid oxidation in the body. Your body fat is never truly stationary, rather it's shunted from cell to cell and good dietary fats encourage your body to use this fat for energy.

As effective as it is (and it is VERY effective) the keto diet is extreme and not something to be embarked upon lightly tbh. In your off-season when you've no fights coming up it could be something to look into. You seem to be doing pretty good with the way things are right now, no?

Khannie

Thanks for the reply.

g'em wrote: »

You seem to be doing pretty good with the way things are right now, no?

Yeah, I'm in pretty good shape alright. I took a two week break there recently and put on a bit of weight (it's hard to change the amount you're eating when you slow down your activity level) but I'm confident I'll shed that fairly handy.

I've no fights coming up right now, but I'm back in training (as of yesterday). If keto is something you think would help me to achieve a very low body fat level, then it's something I'd consider. I'm kinda at that point now where I'm fairly fit, diet is good, strength is good, training regime is decent but I'm not getting that uber-lean that you see some fighters achieve (going to dig out a pic now in a sec....)

found it....



Maybe I just need to eat less to achieve that. He's in savage shape though. I'm not aiming to carry as much muscle as that guy (different sport, different objectives), but by jesus I'd like that level of body fat. Carrying fat into the ring is really just wasted weight.

g'em

The thing about keto is that it completely shifts your metabolism from using stored carbs for energy to using stored fatty acids for energy - you'll start shedding body fat in record time. But as soon as you re-introduce carbs into your diet again your metabolism will shift back again & a lot of people pile on teh weight coming off it. A lot of people also find keto too harsh an eating plan to be on long term, and it can depend on what kind of physical performance you'll be demanding from your body.

Lots of meat, lots of fats, lots of eggs, some nuts, a few seeds and some green fibrous veggies (< 30g carbs/day).

Oh and a good soluble fibre supplement

Khannie

g'em wrote: »

Lots of meat, lots of fats, lots of eggs, some nuts, a few seeds and some green fibrous veggies (< 30g carbs/day).

That sounds pretty hardcore. 30g of carbs a day sounds pretty shocking to me tbh. My god. The more I think about it, the more shocking it sounds.

g'em wrote: »

Oh and a good soluble fibre supplement

Fatloss08

correct me if im wrong but isnt it the same as ketosis , the state your body is in on lipotrim ????????????????

by the way khannie do you know keith norton ???? irish mma fighter also

g'em

Ketogenesis is the process, ketosis is the state. So when your body is performing ketogenesis, it's in ketosis.

I don't know what the ingredients of LT are - if it's high in carbs (which I highly suspect it is, jammed with sugars) then no, you wouldn't be in ketosis.

The Atkins diet and South Beach diet are based around ketogenesis though.

Khannie

Fatloss08 wrote: »

by the way khannie do you know keith norton ???? irish mma fighter also

I know his name alright, but I couldn't pick out any of the MMA lads in a lineup. Not massively into MMA tbh (although I see the skill in it, I find the ground / grappling part a bit boring to watch). I got that pic from Roper. It was in a thread in the SD & MA forum and I thought "HOLY SH*T THAT GUY'S LEAN". Really stuck out.

electric69

Just on the topic of supplements for weight loss and to get that really 'ripped' look, has anyone used Cytomel T3 before or know of anyone who has tried it?

g'em

electric69 wrote: »

Just on the topic of supplements for weight loss and to get that really 'ripped' look, has anyone used Cytomel T3 before or know of anyone who has tried it?

You mean Cytomel the thyroid drug used for hypothyroidism? The thyroid drug that's only available by prescription? The drug that's stacked with Clenbuterol the brochodilator, also a pxn-only drug used to treat breathing disorders?

O.o


I strongly suggest you work on your diet and training and get those absolutely spot on before even contemplating going down that route.

t-ha

Khannie wrote: »

I know his name alright, but I couldn't pick out any of the MMA lads in a lineup. Not massively into MMA tbh (although I see the skill in it, I find the ground / grappling part a bit boring to watch). I got that pic from Roper. It was in a thread in the SD & MA forum and I thought "HOLY SH*T THAT GUY'S LEAN". Really stuck out.

That's Taz McCombe - probably the most ripped guy with that much muscle that you'll come across off of a bodybuilding stage! Alot of that is down to your own genes & hormones so you might find that you get too weak/crap feeling at those levels of bodyfat to be effective in the ring - just something to watch out for. Also, to get there you’re going to need to get seriously anal about your diet & training – track everything you eat and have all the calories etc. totted up, track all your training sessions and extra cardio (you’ll probably find you need to throw in low intensity cardio to get those last pounds off) and track your bodyfat with a callipers. That way you can be sure if you’re dropping fat or not, and be sure that you’re genuinely reducing your intake/increasing your cardio if you need to.

Also, having done both conventional dieting and ketogenic dieting, I don't think there's any difference in how quick you lose weight/fat. I did find that I didn't feel at my best when on ketogenic diets though - I think most people who do them must rely on coffee/fat-burners/other stimulants to keep energetic etc. or else must be vastly better at metabolising fat than I am because I never felt in top form until re-introducing carbs (BTW I gave the keto thing about 4 months so it’s not like I didn’t give it a chance!).

On the hydroxycut thing – I think that most people’s metabolisms are fine and don’t need any charging up, they just eat too much for their activity levels. That’s cool, I understand, I have the appetite of two Homer Simpsons myself. The key to keeping your appetite in check is to follow these three rules for every meal unless you’ve just been training;
1 – only have small portions of high carb foods
2 – keep a low sugar intake
3 – keep a high fibre intake

Follow those rules and you’ll find you have a much more normal appetite and you won’t need any supplements to lose weight.

Khannie

Great post t-ha. Cheers.

Taz is actually registered on boards and took part in the discussion that the pic was in. Hadn't considered the genetic aspect tbh. That's well worth bearing in mind. I'd hate to put in a lot of (extra) effort to reach that level of leanness just to find out my body didn't like being in the state I want it to be.

celestial

Khannie wrote: »

Great post t-ha. Cheers.

Taz is actually registered on boards and took part in the discussion that the pic was in. Hadn't considered the genetic aspect tbh.

Do you have the link to that discussion thread Khannie?

Cheers

electric69

g'em wrote: »

You mean Cytomel the thyroid drug used for hypothyroidism? The thyroid drug that's only available by prescription? The drug that's stacked with Clenbuterol the brochodilator, also a pxn-only drug used to treat breathing disorders?

O.o


I strongly suggest you work on your diet and training and get those absolutely spot on before even contemplating going down that route.

From my reading its what pro bodybuilders take in the final weeks coming up to shows? Its supposed to be the best fat-burner out there. Im not too sure if it subscription or not.


"This product works by increasing the synthesis of protein, carbohydrates, and fats as well as RNA in the body thereby increasing your BMR (Basal Metabolic Rate). Bodybuilders love this product for many reasons. This product is an excellent fat burner since your metabolism is greatly increased while being on it. You can afford to be a little sloppier on pre-contest dieting since it will still burn fat when you are taking in a lot of calories since your metabolism is going haywire."

Just wondering if anyone has used it?

Apologies for hijacking the thread! didnt want to start a new one when you guys were already talking about the same topic

Thanks.

Khannie

celestial wrote: »

Do you have the link to that discussion thread Khannie?

Cheers

Sure. Link.

celestial

Khannie wrote: »

Sure. Link.

Thx. Did McCoombe win that fight anyway? Couldn't find the result online..

Khannie

Pretty sure he won it. Can't remember for sure. I'd say if you resurrect that thread on SD/MA one of the other lads will know for sure.

Roper

Khannie wrote: »

Pretty sure he won it. Can't remember for sure. I'd say if you resurrect that thread on SD/MA one of the other lads will know for sure.

He won the fight, the other dark lad is one of my lads Husen Muhammed Yusuf, aka Samurai! They had a ding dong battle for two rounds and McCombe eventually submitted him with an armlock. It was probably fight of the year last year.

Steve is in great shape and is the biggest guy I've ever seen at 61.8kgs. He also has a head made of rock, Yusuf landed lots beautiful clean head kicks that night and Steve stayed standing.

g'em

Roper wrote: »

Steve is in great shape and is the biggest guy I've ever seen at 61.8kgs.

Holy Heeby Jeebus, is he he 4'3" or something?!? He's solid!

Roper

LOL, Yusuf tried to lift him after the fight and struggled. He is quite small but also cuts a lot of weight to get down. In that photo I'd say he's maybe 65-67kgs.

Khannie

Roper wrote: »

In that photo I'd say he's maybe 65-67kgs.

Sh*t! That's a lot of weight to cut. I'd start to get concerned about my performance being affected at that level of cutting.

Judomad

Khannie wrote: »

Sh*t! That's a lot of weight to cut. I'd start to get concerned about my performance being affected at that level of cutting.

i cut roughly the same to be honest, i walk around at about 70 or 71kg and weigh in at 65.8, and iv had 5 fights in 4 months its quite regular too, i dont find it affects me to be honest..and steve mccoombe is roughly 5'5

t-ha

As far as I've seen/read, alot of fighters seem to cut weight by bagging up and working it off. Where this may be neccessary in the very end if there's still some weight to go IMO it drains you too much and you should manipulate your diet/salts/water intake to cut with minimal physical exertion. Also, the more muscle you carry the more glycogen & associated water you will carry around and therefore the more weight you can drop and put back on again quickly. It's important for performance that you put back on all of the water/glycogen weight you cut before it's time to get in the ring. At the National Submission Championships in 2007 I cut down to 81.9kg from 86kg for an 11o'clock weigh-in and was back to 86kg a little after lunch-time, no saunas, no bin-liner runs.