Legal shroom-ish options?

kramerica

Who has tried these trippy legal pill dealys from Nirvana/head shops?

Not that 'party all night' E-guff, but theres one type in there that apparently gives you a mushroom-y 'I can see the music' visual trip? I was out a while back and a friend of a friend of a friend was with us that worked in one of these shops, said that its the real deal (or as close as you're gonna get sans fungus).

In the shop theres a 'rating' system of something like 'Energy', 'Visuals' etc and this one is full marks on visuals but much lower on energy I think.

Any 1st hand experiences of getting burned/seeing the wallpaper bleed??

Dragan

It helps if you have the name of the product duder.;)

antodeco

Viagra FTW

AnonoBoy

Dry out banana skins and smoke them. Exact same effect I'd say.;)

Sherifu

Advice on drugs from the internet. Happy ending assured.

keen

Sherifu wrote: »

Advice on drugs from the internet. Happy ending assured.

He's hardly going to ask his GP.

Sherifu

Any Monaghan man will fill you in on any shroom related topics OP.

ntlbell

You could make your own LSD?

instructions on tinternets...

enjoy!

Wagon

I assume you mean party pills? They comtain BZP. Tried them a few times and I got the mushroomy effect. Give em a go if you like but they aren't great.

AnonoBoy

Wagon wrote: »

I assume you mean party pills? They comtain BZP. Tried them a few times and I got the mushroomy effect. Give em a go if you like but they aren't great.

You assume wrong. The OP stated that he's not talking about 'that party all night e-guff'.

And if you got a mushroom effect off BZP then fair play cause that's not what they're supposed to bring on.

BZP is muck anyways - horrible horrible comedown. Definitely not worth taking.

Dragan

AnonoBoy wrote: »

BZP is muck anyways - horrible horrible comedown. Definitely not worth taking.

By and large i would agree with this. Better options out there than BZP from a legal standpoint.

Krsnik87

None of those legal pills with give you any of the effects your looking for.

If its purple ohms your talking about I tried them a while back when they first came out, there crap, nothing like the real thing if thats what your after. Its just a lightheaded floaty feeling for about 3 hours then the comedown.

The comedown of those legal pills are worse then anything I've ever felt, 24 hours in bed with the worst headaches I could ever have imagined, thought my head was gonna explode... Don't trust any of that legal stuff at all. There's lots of information on the net about stuff like this, try www.erowid.org has lots of information from the good to the bad and everything in between.

My advice is to stay away... If you really want to do something like that, go to somewhere its legal, more controlled and regulated. Stay safe...

Cool_CM

ntlbell wrote: »

You could make your own LSD?

instructions on tinternets...

enjoy!

I'm sure he'll come out of that one with his vision intact, i'd test it out on some animals beforehand to see what happens, that's what they're there for!

Azphyxi8

Brew up some nutmeg in a pot of water. Drink it.

In amounts of 10-40 g (~4-8 teaspoons) it is a mild to medium hallucinogen, producing visual distortions and a mild euphoria.

Wagon

AnonoBoy wrote: »

BZP is muck anyways - horrible horrible comedown. Definitely not worth taking.

Very very true, but some can get away with the comedown. Afew of my own mates did and now I don't trust them because I think they're robots.

OP, you'll probably be better off going out and picking magic mushrooms.

Degsy

One of the headshops just off crown alley sells Mescaline(or claims to),this is the real deal,hallucinigen derived from peyote catus.You can also buy the actual peyote cactus in dublin legally so i hear.

Shinners23

There is a new product which I purchased from the happy hippy shop (on North frederick st) .. Its the skin of a cactis plant.. You make a tea with it. Its gives you a sense of euphoria.. Real nice...

Also, in relation to pills, there are many different strenght of pills on the market.. Many of which are free of BZP. A ban is likely to come in on BZP at the end of next year so there is a switch coming from BZP to other herbal ingredients.


Hope this helps.

Captain Ginger

The only decent thing I bought from one of those headshops was Salvia, although to be honest I can't see how it's legal.

Anyway as for shroom pills never even heard of them myself, doubt they would be any good.

Kold

Erowid.org is your friend when it comes to drugs. Mate was talking about getting some salvia but after reading up on it, I'm in 2 minds. It repeatedly says that most people get very uncomfortable and it gets very scary however I'm attracted to it's more visual effects as I've never really had that visual a trip on mushies (when in A'dam, so it's not illegal). Anyone got advice for or against salvia? I like the idea that it lasts a very short time.

Dragan

Kold wrote: »

Erowid.org is your friend when it comes to drugs. Mate was talking about getting some salvia but after reading up on it, I'm in 2 minds. It repeatedly says that most people get very uncomfortable and it gets very scary however I'm attracted to it's more visual effects as I've never really had that visual a trip on mushies (when in A'dam, so it's not illegal). Anyone got advice for or against salvia? I like the idea that it lasts a very short time.

Not a fan of it by any means. Personally i like to accentuate and experience, not just sit there and giggle like a ****tard for 30 seconds and then have nothing.

Kold

Dragan wrote: »

Not a fan of it by any means. Personally i like to accentuate and experience, not just sit there and giggle like a ****tard for 30 seconds and then have nothing.

It said there's about a 4 hour comedown, is this like a weak caffeine comedown or some horrible uncomfortable yoke?

doonothing

Dragan wrote: »

Not a fan of it by any means. Personally i like to accentuate and experience, not just sit there and giggle like a ****tard for 30 seconds and then have nothing.

My friend had a full on existential meltdown, thought he had left our existence behind, when he came out of it he was pushing us all away and crying cos he was scared he'd have to go back.

Suffice to say he did like, a full back of 50x in about 40 seconds, but still, salvia can put the right ****s into you... As much as I've done it, I've never had that sort of experience, but not the giggling like a ****tard for 30 seconds either.

dasdog

doonothing wrote: »

My friend had a full on existential meltdown, thought he had left our existence behind, when he came out of it he was pushing us all away and crying cos he was scared he'd have to go back.

Suffice to say he did like, a full back of 50x in about 40 seconds, but still, salvia can put the right ****s into you... As much as I've done it, I've never had that sort of experience, but not the giggling like a ****tard for 30 seconds either.

It can be quite powerful so treat with caution. First two occassions I tried it the only downside was sweating a lot and there was nothing special about it. Third day I tried it (40x I think) it was fine all day with a few cans on the side. After doing about the sixth/seventh bowl though it really kicked in and I had the most powerful physcological near death experience I have ever had (I've tried a few things in my time). It really scared the shyte out of me but no real downside afterwards. In fact I think I drew a lot of positives from it (one being not to bother with it again). Tried Kratom cake as well which is quite good but it made me drink a lot as it really keeps you awake and the hangover the next day was pretty bad. IMO the best thing you can purchase legally from Headshops are good quality femme seeds (Khola/White Widow)

doonothing

Oh I know, he went about it like a thick and definitely paid the price and learned his lesson, I was just trying to illustrate that salvia does a lot more than make you giggle like a ****tard for 30 seconds and then have nothing...

Kold

Would you recommend it for the experience? A lot of the things I've tried I'm glad I took even though I wouldn't think of taking them again. Is it really that scary? I always think that if I just keep reminding myself that I'm on drugs that I'll be calm is that the case here or do you really feel your sanity going?

dasdog

Kold wrote: »

Would you recommend it for the experience? A lot of the things I've tried I'm glad I took even though I wouldn't think of taking them again. Is it really that scary? I always think that if I just keep reminding myself that I'm on drugs that I'll be calm is that the case here or do you really feel your sanity going?

I couldn't really recommend it to be honest as I don't know how you may react but if you want to get a feel for it perhaps try the lesser strength. In saying that I didn't hear of anyone else having a reaction like I did although most said they wouldn't bother with it again as it wasn't that interesting. That last time I tried it there was no option of "reminding myself" like that as it was complete curtains down/lights out in to full blown trip mode. Maybe it just has to trigger something to get like that but it is only 10/15 minutes and not like a 6-9 hour thing so...

Holsten

Just go get some Salvia, it's legal and all.

Prof.Badass

Salvia will **** with your mind but it's not a true psychedelic.

Your best bet would be to get some DRIED mescaline-containing cactus.

Do your research first on the internet (erowid ect.) Also Shop around coz some shops will rip you off and you could end up paying loads for a very small amount.

You might want to consider ordering it online, it's a lot cheaper, although some sites will sell you dodgy ****...

kramerica

Hey, OP here, cheers for the advice so far, I'm not even looking for the trippy avenue in pill form necessarily, its all I had been told about.

I'm away at the weekend and am looking for a handy way to get something of that ilk by Thursday!

Oh yeah, and I'm not a novice to the 'other realm', I partook (sp?) in mushies a lot when legal, and most recently had a GREAT night on em in the Dam in June so basically, salvia, mescaline (where can you get THAT!?) whats the best to go with 'over the counter'?

Krsnik87

Salvia definately isn't for a festival, not the right time to be doing that tbh... As for mesc, you can get a peote cactus in town but they are only young and won't work until its at least 3 years old as far as I can remember.

Captain Ginger

Krsnik87 wrote: »

Salvia definately isn't for a festival, not the right time to be doing that tbh... As for mesc, you can get a peote cactus in town but they are only young and won't work until its at least 3 years old as far as I can remember.

+1

Salvia is for when you're with a couple of mates in someones house.


First time I ever did it was at a party with a lot of other SOBER people (it had only started). Needless to say I felt like a right muppet until they all got drunk and tried some.

generalmiaow

vinylmesh wrote: »

Salvia will **** with your mind but it's not a true psychedelic.

Do you mean it's not serotonergic? I would consider Salvia psychedelic.

Having said that I wouldn't recommend it to anyone other than if you take this sort of stuff very seriously.

If you're looking for a psychedelic experience don't go to a head shop. Morning Glory seeds are nauseating, cacti even more so. Purple Ohms (basically hawaiian baby woodrose and and more piperazine analogues) are short lasting and somewhat weak. Sorry OP - if you want to stay inside the law, it'll be very hard to get any sort of effective visionary substance by thursday.

Captain Ginger

generalmiaow wrote: »

Having said that I wouldn't recommend it to anyone other than if you take this sort of stuff very seriously.

I tend to disagree with that, Salvia comes in many different strengths so a 20x would be fine for someone just looking for a couple of minutes of weirdness (or a good chuckle)

generalmiaow

Captain Ginger wrote: »

I tend to disagree with that, Salvia comes in many different strengths so a 20x would be fine for someone just looking for a couple of minutes of weirdness (or a good chuckle)

I know - and I hate salvia snobbery as much as the next guy - but I think the OP is looking for something in between the two - and salvia doesn't usually let you choose yourself... it tends to grab you by the balls and bring you where it wants.

Having said that - 20x is not what I would start off with for a quick laugh! I've seen things on 20x that would turn ya to drink!

Captain Ginger

generalmiaow wrote: »

I know - and I hate salvia snobbery as much as the next guy - but I think the OP is looking for something in between the two - and salvia doesn't usually let you choose yourself... it tends to grab you by the balls and bring you where it wants.

Having said that - 20x is not what I would start off with for a quick laugh! I've seen things on 20x that would turn ya to drink!

Hahaha fair enough, I guess we each have our limits anyway, I just mentioned salvia because he was looking for something legal and from my experience of head shops salvia was the only thing worth buying.

AckwelFoley

my mind is already fcuked up enough without taking shrooms.

Cigs and booze. ftw

Salvia.. oh jeeeez.. It's crazy.

My mind was racing.. the things I saw.. just completely insane.

Tha Gopher

AnonoBoy wrote: »

BZP is muck anyways - horrible horrible comedown. Definitely not worth taking.

Indeed. Terrifying stuff.

BZP, Spice Gold, Bob fookin Marley smoking mix, all utter sh1te.

Wondering about this Salvia now How much is it i.e. how long would 20 quids worth last?

JJ6000

I've searched for a long time for legal substances which could compare to the experience off quality MDMA.

So far, I've not even come close. The social enhancement that good mdma gives simply isnt matched by anything you can get OTC.

Speed, coke etc would not really interest me. As regards BZP, TFMPP & other piperazines, I dont feel much of a desire to experiment as almost everything I have read, heard and seen would lean on the negative side.

I've only recently delved into the world of hallucinogens. I reserve hallucinogenic experiences for only special occaions though and don't do it "just for kicks". For me, it's more of an introspective journey of sorts....a kind of "sacred" philosophical aid, I suppose. Definitley not for social reasons. When I do hallucinogens, I like to emerge from the experience really believing I have gained or learned something.

Spunge

Purple ohms,i heard they were awesome trippy buzz. tried them myself, not very fun. They contain LSA afaik, and maybe a bit of BZP.
Ive done LSA once or twice and that didnt agree with me either, but some people love it. I think its just one of those things for me.

BZP was good the first 2 or 3 times but now its lame edgy high with crappy long comedown.

As far as mdma substitutes go there is methylone and mephedrone which are legal in most countries but can only buy them online from certain places, looking to get some myself to see what its like supposedly the closest thing to mdma there is, they are bata-analogues of mdma or something.

Also there is some stuff called "summer daze" i want to try , its supposed to be pretty good mdma-like buzz and doesnt contain bzp, but none of the shops in dublin seem to be selling any, probably coz they still have bzp to sell and dont need it.

Fly agaric are some legal shrooms supposed to be good, but my mate did try some ones from a headshop and said they were muck. i think these were just crap fly agaric because its very highly regarded for the most part.

Kold

I think the only thing that could compare to pure MDMA is having a deeply fulfilling life..

Spunge

Kold wrote: »

I think the only thing that could compare to pure MDMA is having a deeply fulfilling life..

lol have you done mdma

Prof.Badass

generalmiaow wrote: »

Do you mean it's not serotonergic? I would consider Salvia psychedelic.

Yes it's a hallucinogen but it's more like a dissociative than a psychedelic however technically it is neither.It's in it's own weird class of kappa-opiod agonists (i think ibogaine also does this as well as other effects).

Amanita mushrooms are not psychedelic but they are hallucinogenic.
They effect you're gaba receptors so it'd more like being unbeliveably drunk than tripping off shrooms. (also they contain ibotenic acid...not nice stuff, surgeons actually use it when they need to kill off brain cells,FACT)

Anyway in terms of something like shrooms in a head shop,You have the following choices:

LSA seeds - very nauseating and only mildly trippy.
Mescaline cactus-it's nauseating but you can do an extraction to remove the nasties.
Ayahuasha brew- VERY TRIPPY (stronger than acid) but VERY SICKENING

Or you could extract DMT from 1 of the plants mentioned in the above brew

Joe Cool

Avoid them all.