Raw -Spoilers- 07/07/08

rovert

Cena is a dork

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Rjd2

rovert wrote: »

Cena is a dork

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Awful RAW to say the least. The opening segment was dull as hell, and all the matches were pretty poor. Punk against Snitsky? Yeah we all know Snitsky = ratings:rolleyes: The four way between JBL, Kane, Cena and Batista was boring and the big red retard turning insane and heel wow we have not seen that before. Cena was shocking as well, he was outshone by Batista on the mic on the opening segment which says something and that segment with JBL was horrid. JBL is poppy LOL!!!!:rolleyes:

gimmick

Has anyone turned face/heel more than Kane? It seems he is turned around once a year and still doesn't make an impact.

good to see the boards fellows taking RAW for what it is and enjoying it. :rolleyes:



Curious to see where the Kane angle leads. Doubt he is referring to the Undertaker, and i doubt its Vince.


New Wrestler?

Rjd2

Deleted User wrote: »

good to see the boards fellows taking RAW for what it is and enjoying it. :rolleyes:



Curious to see where the Kane angle leads. Doubt he is referring to the Undertaker, and i doubt its Vince.


New Wrestler?

What apart from Y2J was their to enjoy last night?

rovert

Deleted User wrote: »

good to see the boards fellows taking RAW for what it is and enjoying it. :rolleyes:



Curious to see where the Kane angle leads. Doubt he is referring to the Undertaker, and i doubt its Vince.


New Wrestler?

Did you see it? I mean really?

I love the way you did call last night Raw NOT wrestling as there was very little to be had.

I like Cena in the main but Jesus Christ he was horrible last night.

DRakE

Rjd2 wrote: »

What apart from Y2J was their to enjoy last night?

Mr.Nice Guy

I have to say I enjoyed Raw last night.

- I thought it was a good opening with Vickie getting lots of heat and Punk getting a nice pop as he dealt with her. Then they had everyone come to the ring and make their case for the title shot which put over the World Title and made it seem important.

- Rey vs Santino was fun for what it was.

- I was surprised by the women's tag match. When did Kelly learn wrestling moves? How long was I gone? I was impressed by her efforts. Has Finlay been teaching her or something?

- Snitsky was a somewhat odd choice for a challenger to Punk but they put him over well at least.

- Didn't really care for the Y2J/HBK promo. Seemed very contrived and stupid to me. I've no idea what's going on with Lance Cade. He now looks like a hungover Kenny Dykstra.

- Kingston vs Haas was OK. Nothing much else to say on it.

- I liked the four-way main event although I think the wrong guy won. I'd rather see Punk work a feud with JBL similar to the one Cena did with him in 2005. I was pleased to see them going back to the psychotic Kane character as I hate him as a babyface.

I agree Cena was given lame material but that's not his fault. At least he can get his sentences out unlike Botchtista.

I have no idea what was up with having the camera guys drop parts of the set and a 'fan' running in on Batista getting ready for his match. Very bizarre.

Overall though I enjoyed the show and it's refreshing to be able to watch a Raw that isn't dominated by one man's ego.

DRakE

I was actually impressed by Batista's promo in the opening segment.. the bit where he goes "Interrupt me again and i'mm smash your face in with my fist" was particularly unexpected :eek:

What about the light falling over during punks interview, the "fan" jumping in front of batista on camera? Subtle things that RAW's falling apart without a GM? Obviously its on purpose but who could be doing it if so?

rovert

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

- I thought it was a good opening with Vickie getting lots of heat and Punk getting a nice pop as he dealt with her. Then they had everyone come to the ring and make their case for the title shot which put over the World Title and made it seem important.

This was cringeworthy worthy thanks to Batista and Cena's performance

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

- Rey vs Santino was fun for what it was.

His first match in 5 or 6 months with no fanfare first match on the show that is what it was.

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

- Snitsky was a somewhat odd choice for a challenger to Punk but they put him over well at least.

The crowd was really dead for this one and Punk knee'd him in the eyeball with GTS. Surely they could have a better wrester to wrestle Punk at this stage of his reign.

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

- Didn't really care for the Y2J/HBK promo. Seemed very contrived and stupid to me.

On this show :eek:

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I agree Cena was given lame material but that's not his fault. At least he can get his sentences out unlike Botchtista.

Cena actually does have the pull to change what is written for him and Cena DID actually think the material was funny and seemed very pleased with himself.

Also where the **** where Rhodes/DiBiase?

Last week was a million times better.

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Overall though I enjoyed the show and it's refreshing to be able to watch a Raw that isn't dominated by one man's ego.

Id rather than have that than that sub-Blues Clues presenter John Cena.

Minto

I agree with Mr. Nice Guy (first for everything I suppose), I enjoyed RAW last night. It was good to see Punk get some decent mic time. The RAW falling apart angle is progressing slow and steady and should stay that way.Kane's heel turn is refreshing and I think he was talking about Vince. I think he was behind the stage falling apart, but it doesn't tie into the light falling over and fan doing batista's constipation dance angles. Kind of confusing, the way I like it, lol!

Bounty Hunter

I actually thought it was quite good, it seems Raw is trying to get its attitude back without a GM but "Poopy" WTF! cmon Cena we know the chain gang are kiddies but atleast right suck. atleast he's now fully associated with Cryme tyme it seems, CTC = cryme tyme Cena methinks.

no idea who Kane was talking about but atleast hes acting like the big red Monster that hes supposed to be now

The fan with Batista made me laugh while the light falling down may be the place falling apart minus a GM but my initial reaction was that it could be an angle where someone is trying to cause injuries via "accidents" like what happened to Vince, almost hit CM Punk afterall. If only one of them happened then put it down to Raw being live mess ups happen but with both id be inclined to say it was on purpose

rovert

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

no idea who Kane was talking about but atleast hes acting like the big red Monster that hes supposed to be now

Yeah by beating up person the fans dont like (Michael Cole). Did anyone see the punches Kane "landed" on Jerry Lawler?

Headshot

raw was useless

the 4 biggest wasters in wwe in a 4 way match :rolleyes:

Fozzy

Overall it was kinda crap. In the opening segment Punk and Cena had good delivery but crap lines, Batista had good lines but crap delivery and JBL was the only one who got both right. And what happened to Vickie? Did she just back down after saying that she wouldn't leave without the title?

Kelly just turning up on Raw again makes the draft seem pointless. So if Cena acts like he doesn't know that he has a contract can he go to Smackdown? Or can Edge do that now so he can try to get his title back on Raw?

I felt sorry for Rey. He was going to be involved with Mayweather and now his return match means nothing

The limo segment was horrible. I didn't understand what Cena was going on about anyway

Michaels and Jericho were good, there's a lot of second-guessing all the way through this feud, I found it the most interesting thing on the show

Main event was a decent match I thought, but the Kane thing was a bit silly

EdK

If I see one more opening segment on Raw where 4-5 guys come out to throw their hat in the ring for the title I am gonna cry, seriously!!!

Handsome Bob

Anyone think that Kane's "is he dead or alive" rant is about Vince? Could he be behind Vince's "accident" and could the Undertaker be involved too?

rovert

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Anyone think that Kane's "is he dead or alive" rant is about Vince? Could he be behind Vince's "accident"

Yes as it plays into Vince's mysterious condition.

LZ5by5 wrote: »

could the Undertaker be involved too?

No, he is still meant to return and ruin Vicki's and Edge's wedding.

Handsome Bob

rovert wrote: »

No, he is still meant to return and ruin Vicki's and Edge's wedding.

The wedding is off isn't it?

Brolly

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Anyone think that Kane's "is he dead or alive" rant is about Vince? Could he be behind Vince's "accident" and could the Undertaker be involved too?

I was just thinking that too. I reckon he could be going to Raw for what could be his last 9 months or so in the WWE.

Handsome Bob

brolly wrote: »

I was just thinking that too. I reckon he could be going to Raw for what could be his last 9 months or so in the WWE.

It would be great if the Undertaker was involved. He hurt Vince because of his anger at his "sacking" by the WWE and he's going to unleash his anger on many more too. They could use the notion that he has been "sacked" to have him on all 3 shows, decimating anyone who gets in his way.

A lot of people will tell you that turning the Undertaker heel is impossible. And it nearly is, no superstar is over enough for the fans to turn on the Undertaker if he attacks someone unprovoked, except for Rey Mysterio. Imagine if he decimates Rey and then puts him in the Gogaplata? I can actually see little kids crying at the sight of Mysterio bleeding from the mouth!

rovert

LZ5by5 wrote: »

The wedding is off isn't it?

Nope

LZ5by5 wrote: »

A lot of people will tell you that turning the Undertaker heel is impossible. And it nearly is, no superstar is over enough for the fans to turn on the Undertaker if he attacks someone unprovoked, except for Rey Mysterio. Imagine if he decimates Rey and then puts him in the Gogaplata? I can actually see little kids crying at the sight of Mysterio bleeding from the mouth!

And the adults high fiving.

Fozzy

LZ5by5 wrote: »

It would be great if the Undertaker was involved. He hurt Vince because of his anger at his "sacking" by the WWE and he's going to unleash his anger on many more too. They could use the notion that he has been "sacked" to have him on all 3 shows, decimating anyone who gets in his way.

Why would he blame Vince ahead of Edge, Vickie, the Edgeheads, Chavo and Chavo's bodyguard guy?

LZ5by5 wrote: »

A lot of people will tell you that turning the Undertaker heel is impossible. And it nearly is, no superstar is over enough for the fans to turn on the Undertaker if he attacks someone unprovoked, except for Rey Mysterio. Imagine if he decimates Rey and then puts him in the Gogaplata? I can actually see little kids crying at the sight of Mysterio bleeding from the mouth!

I can't see that working given how unimportant Mysterio currently looks on Raw

Handsome Bob

Fozzy wrote: »

Why would he blame Vince ahead of Edge, Vickie, the Edgeheads, Chavo and Chavo's bodyguard guy?

Vince is the boss, the Undertaker is bound to vent some anger at the person who allowed for a crooked GM to be on SD, someone who ultimately cost him his "title" and "career". In his eyes Vince is just as guilty as Vickie for not intervening in the GM's unfair tactics. And as I said they can use the fact that he's been "fired" to let him roam all 3 brands to cause hovoc, so La Familia will "get theirs" too.

Fozzy wrote: »

I can't see that working given how unimportant Mysterio currently looks on Raw

Regardless of that, he's still received warmly by the audience, by the kids especially. If the Undertaker decimates Rey for absolutely no reason other than he felt that he was in his way it's bound to get a negative response.

Brolly

I can't see people turning on Taker in fairness (no matter what or who he destroys!) - He would probably be loved even more by the audience!!! I wouldn't rule out Vickie bringing him back either to deal with Edge (if the wedding is indeed off). If the wedding goes ahead, I can't see him showing up (I could be wrong) - I just think that he will make his return at Summerslam. We shall see!!!

rovert

brolly wrote: »

I can't see people turning on Taker in fairness (no matter what or who he destroys!) - He would probably be loved even more by the audience!!!

Exactly, as destroying people is so much if his character.

brolly wrote: »

I wouldn't rule out Vickie bringing him back either to deal with Edge (if the wedding is indeed off). If the wedding goes ahead, I can't see him showing up (I could be wrong) - I just think that he will make his return at Summerslam. We shall see!!!

The current plan seems to be Vicki help Edge beat HHH in a swerve. Then having the wedding very shortly after that and having Undertaker return at the wedding. Leading to Edge/Taker at Summerslam.

D.Q

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Anyone think that Kane's "is he dead or alive" rant is about Vince? Could he be behind Vince's "accident" and could the Undertaker be involved too?

I think, they could be bringing in the third brother.

(there was originally meant to be three but the third died in a car accident i think[in real life] before he could debut) look it up...;)

The third brother coming back could give a huge boost to the kane-undertaker relationship (theyv gone down every road at this stage, they hate each other, they love each other, they respect each other, they hate each other, they are a strange biker/monster pairing, they ate each other....it goes on...) and i think that angle would be really fresh.

Undertakers coming to his end now, and lets face it, he was at his best when Kane was involved.

I reckon the other brother returns soon... that would generate huge ratings(badly needed) and really push takers big return :cool:


i could however...... be completely wrong:D

rovert

DieselQueen wrote: »

I think, they could be bringing in the third brother.

(there was originally meant to be three but the third died in a car accident i think[in real life] before he could debut) look it up...;)

The third brother coming back could give a huge boost to the kane-undertaker relationship (theyv gone down every road at this stage, they hate each other, they love each other, they respect each other, they hate each other, they are a strange biker/monster pairing, they ate each other....it goes on...) and i think that angle would be really fresh.

Undertakers coming to his end now, and lets face it, he was at his best when Kane was involved.

I reckon the other brother returns soon... that would generate huge ratings(badly needed) and really push takers big return :cool:


i could however...... be completely wrong:D

Strewth

D.Q

rovert wrote: »

Strewth

whats strewth??

chopperbyrne

Just let him come back as Big Evil again.

That was when he was at his most watchable.

It showed he's good a promos too.

callaway92

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Just let him come back as Big Evil again.

That was when he was at his most watchable.

It showed he's good a promos too.

No..Please..Just NO

Handsome Bob

rovert wrote: »

The current plan seems to be Vicki help Edge beat HHH in a swerve. Then having the wedding very shortly after that and having Undertaker return at the wedding. Leading to Edge/Taker at Summerslam.

What's HHH going to be doing? I imagine at the very least he will be in the title picture on SD for the rest of the Summer........

chopperbyrne

callaway92 wrote: »

No..Please..Just NO

Why not?

The Dead Man Undertaker is stale and has been for years.

callaway92

The Big Evil got stale faster than the Deadman. They should just get rid of Taker for good. Then he cant get stale

Handsome Bob

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Why not?

The Dead Man Undertaker is stale and has been for years.

It's stale because he has been face for the past 5 years, as well as having various stints out of the ring (+ his eased schedule) in those 5 years.

rovert

LZ5by5 wrote: »

It's stale because he has been face for the past 5 years, as well as having various stints out of the ring (+ his eased schedule) in those 5 years.

Prove to me he is stale to the general audience. FACTS plse

LZ5by5 wrote: »

What's HHH going to be doing? I imagine at the very least he will be in the title picture on SD for the rest of the Summer........

Dunno, there is always talk of turning heel.

chopperbyrne

LZ5by5 wrote: »

It's stale because he has been face for the past 5 years, as well as having various stints out of the ring (+ his eased schedule) in those 5 years.

I think the gimmick is stale though regardless.

Unless he starts putting people in bodybags again or creates a new Ministry, it will stay stale.

rovert

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Unless he starts putting people in bodybags again or creates a new Ministry, it will stay stale.

Stale rehashes

Lads I let you into a secret in Wrestling:

Find what works, keep doing it until you run it into the ground until it doesnt anymore. In the case of the Undertaker business wise it still WORKS and really well too!

So why unneccessarily change his character?

Brolly

I don't think Taker has ever been stale - ok, some don't like him and think his whole entrance and moves is same old, same old - but, to the majority of fans (including myself) he is one person (that 99% of) the fans wants to see each and every week. Without the recent draft to liven up Smackdown, it would be quite boring each week without Taker. HHH etc has done a good job in filling that gap on Smackdown.

As for his 'big evil' return, it wouldn't bother me! But, I don't think it will happen seeing as he is probably only going to be in the WWE for another 9 months or so (if he goes at WM25 that is).

rovert

brolly wrote: »

As for his 'big evil' return, it wouldn't bother me! But, I don't think it will happen seeing as he is probably only going to be in the WWE for another 9 months or so (if he goes at WM25 that is).

Word is that he'll seen his contract out until 2011 then possibly having a similar role to what Sting now has in TNA. He'll be around for some time yet. But do raise a good think to remember WM25 is in Texas so it would be kindo of stupid to have him heel at the event.

Handsome Bob

rovert wrote: »

Prove to me he is stale to the general audience. FACTS plse

Prove what? What is there to prove? His feud with Edge, bar their match at WM, has been one of the biggest let downs from the past year. There was nothing in the character that Edge could feed off and that coupled with some awful booking made the feud a borefest. Prior to Edge he had his feud with Batista where Batista, *shudders*, had to carry any promo's during the feud. His character right now is one of a "silent menace" which isn't going to cut it.

Plans to give the deadman a lengthy WHC run were quickly changed, I wonder why.........

Fozzy

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Prove what? What is there to prove? His feud with Edge, bar their match at WM, has been one of the biggest let downs from the past year. There was nothing in the character that Edge could feed off and that coupled with some awful booking made the feud a borefest. Prior to Edge he had his feud with Batista where Batista, *shudders*, had to carry any promo's during the feud. His character right now is one of a "silent menace" which isn't going to cut it.

I don't think it was a letdown for the most part. People will still tune in to watch Undertaker and pay to see him. There's no problem with him at the moment

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Plans to give the deadman a lengthy WHC run were quickly changed, I wonder why.........

It was because they felt he was better chasing the belt wasn't it? There was also Michael Hayes being suspended about a week before that

Brolly

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Prove what? What is there to prove? His feud with Edge, bar their match at WM, has been one of the biggest let downs from the past year. There was nothing in the character that Edge could feed off and that coupled with some awful booking made the feud a borefest. Prior to Edge he had his feud with Batista where Batista, *shudders*, had to carry any promo's during the feud. His character right now is one of a "silent menace" which isn't going to cut it.

Plans to give the deadman a lengthy WHC run were quickly changed, I wonder why.........

In fairness, the lengthy WHC run has been cut short both times due to injuries. I enjoyed the fued with Edge - ok, it wasn't the best fued, but it was enjoyable for the mostpart.

Tricity Bendix

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Plans to give the deadman a lengthy WHC run were quickly changed, I wonder why.........

Maybe because he was injured after his Wrestlemania victory over Batista and because he needed to take a hiatus after his victory over Edge.

rovert

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Prove what? What is there to prove?

That he is stale in the general audiences eyes. A good factual basis would be ratings and buyrates. Not you own personal opinion.

Fozzy wrote: »

It was because they felt he was better chasing the belt wasn't it? There was also Michael Hayes being suspended about a week before that

All of the above also Taker wanted/needed time off at short notice.

Handsome Bob

Fozzy wrote: »

I don't think it was a letdown for the most part. People will still tune in to watch Undertaker and pay to see him. There's no problem with him at the moment

They should have ended it at backlash. He seemingly "seriously injured" Edge at the end. It was an opportunity to go somewhere new while giving Edge a break. Instead Edge pops up the next night right as rain and they ban his gogaplata.:rolleyes: They go on to strip him of the belt and then strip him again after he wins it. Imho it was awful.

Handsome Bob

b.ie curious wrote: »

Maybe because he was injured after his Wrestlemania victory over Batista

Wasn't talking about his WM23 win and subsequent injury.

b.ie curious wrote: »

and because he needed to take a hiatus after his victory over Edge.

Take a hiatus.....I don't remember hearing about any significant injury. In fact all I have heard about it from reports is that they didn't want to end the Undertaker/ Edge feud, but realised at that moment in time that the feud was going nowhere.

rovert

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Take a hiatus.....I don't remember hearing about any significant injury. In fact all I have heard about it from reports is that they didn't want to end the Undertaker/ Edge feud, but realised at that moment in time that the feud was going nowhere.

Except resume it when he returns :rolleyes:

What reports?

ec18

The offical story is that he needed a break to take care of some minor injuries he was carrying.

ShawnRaven

****ing horrible RAW overall. And i think Minto has to be on crack, no offence to MNG, but i gave up hope on that guy a long time ago.

Seriously, we do not need a 25 minute mumblefest involving Punk, JBL, Cena, Kane and Batista. When Batista is the best on the mic out of all of the above listed, it's time to start rethinking. Between that and the boring recaps of Punk's title win (yeah we get it, little guy beats big guy, been done before, get over it), we had one actual wrestling match in the entire first f*cking hour of RAW.

It's sh*t like that, which is why people aren't paying attention to RAW. It's not the first time this is happen, and it usually happens when they throw Cena in the main event, because he always has to mumble to his chain gang kiddies for at least 15 minutes at the beginning of every RAW. At this stage, they can just throw RAW off USA Network and give it to the f*cking Disney channel!

The second hour wasn't much better, we start off with Punk vs Snitsky. Ok fair enough, nobody wants Punk fed to anyone, but there's no decent heels left on RAW, so we feed him to the one available one left! Snitsky! Who hasn't seen the dizzy heights of upper midcard stardom since the babykiller angle back in 2004!

Then more talking, HBK/Jericho. Jericho isn't even that interesting on the mic anymore (to me, anyway).

I haven't gotten to the 4 way yet, but i'm contemplating switching off at this stage, and if it carries on at this rate, RAW will be scrubbed off the timer!

Go right ahead TNA bashers and WWE drones, justify and defend this sh*t, i dare you!
Just my €2,000,000 worth.
VR!

rovert

validreasoning! wrote: »

****ing horrible RAW overall. And i think Minto has to be on crack, no offence to MNG, but i gave up hope on that guy a long time ago.

Seriously, we do not need a 25 minute mumblefest involving Punk, JBL, Cena, Kane and Batista. When Batista is the best on the mic out of all of the above listed, it's time to start rethinking. Between that and the boring recaps of Punk's title win (yeah we get it, little guy beats big guy, been done before, get over it), we had one actual wrestling match in the entire first f*cking hour of RAW.

It's sh*t like that, which is why people aren't paying attention to RAW. It's not the first time this is happen, and it usually happens when they throw Cena in the main event, because he always has to mumble to his chain gang kiddies for at least 15 minutes at the beginning of every RAW. At this stage, they can just throw RAW off USA Network and give it to the f*cking Disney channel!

The second hour wasn't much better, we start off with Punk vs Snitsky. Ok fair enough, nobody wants Punk fed to anyone, but there's no decent heels left on RAW, so we feed him to the one available one left! Snitsky! Who hasn't seen the dizzy heights of upper midcard stardom since the babykiller angle back in 2004!

Then more talking, HBK/Jericho. Jericho isn't even that interesting on the mic anymore (to me, anyway).

I haven't gotten to the 4 way yet, but i'm contemplating switching off at this stage, and if it carries on at this rate, RAW will be scrubbed off the timer!

Go right ahead TNA bashers and WWE drones, justify and defend this sh*t, i dare you!
Just my €2,000,000 worth.
VR!

*Needs more Cena burials specfic to this show*

Ive never minded Cena in the past, but him last night found a way to reach further depths of smug annonyingness and became more juvenile than 3 year old.