More Bullsh!t From David "Bling Bling" Haye

Hero Of College

http://www.setantasports.com/en/Sport/News/Other-sports/2008/07/06/Boxing-Haye-to-confrot-Klitschko/?facets/sport-space/great-britain-locale/boxing/#commments


Apparently David Haye is going to get himself a ticket for Wlads fight with Thompson and pull a David Telesco on it.

In the mean time, Haye is rumoured to be fighting OLEG MASKAEV :rolleyes::eek: in his next fight.

Maskaev is ACTUALLY RANKED LOWER than David but, coming off a KO loss as he is, he is deemed good enough by the "Gayemakers" people.

Is this a Setanta thing? Matching chinny overhyped guys like Khan and Haye against used-to-be-something-got-KTFO-in-my-last-fight opponents???

Just as Khan fought a guy who was coming off a KO loss and whose best years were clearly behind him {Gomez} Haye has gone down the same route and is fighting Old Man Maskaev.

He hasn't even got the courtesy to announe his next fight {the usually reliable boxrec.com are announcing the Maskaev fight} but in the mean time he is running around shooting his mouth off about Wlad. He wasn't even man enough to give Monte Barrett his fight- and Monte has fought and beaten waaaaaay better Comp than David ever has.

This bum actually thinks he can take the Unified title in 3 fights by beating Maskaev, then Peter, and then forcing Wlad into a Unification bout.

He must like his retirement plan a lot.

Now we won't even get a decent balanced broadcast on Saturday dealing with Klitschko. We'll have to listen to fat arse Steve Dunce talk in his trannys voice about how David is really "pressuring these guys".

Uhhhhh????

Get this David Haye, and get it good. You pay to see Wlad- HE DOES NOT pay to see you.

cowzerp

i dont have a problem with wlad he's an honest pro. But haye is no fool and could beat any heavyweight on his day. If you dont see that then your just bitter for some reason. Why do you make all these things so personal? We're all boxing fans and just love good boxing. And if haye fights wlad and loses i'm sure it will be a better heavyweight fight than many in recent years.

Hero Of College

cowzerp wrote: »

i dont have a problem with wlad he's an honest pro. But haye is no fool and could beat any heavyweight on his day. If you dont see that then your just bitter for some reason. Why do you make all these things so personal? We're all boxing fans and just love good boxing. And if haye fights wlad and loses i'm sure it will be a better heavyweight fight than many in recent years.

DAMN that Cruiserweight Division is stacked!!!

Big Ears

It's not announced because it hasn't been made yet, no contracts have been signed and boxrec puts up fights on rumours . Maskaev would be a very good second opponent at heavyweight .

He's a lot better than Matt Skelton, who you not only felt Haye should fight before going after someone better but you also seemed confident that Skleton would beat Haye .

Maskaev was WBC champion just 4 months ago when he lost to peter . before that he had beaten Peter Okhello(bit of a gimme that), knocked out Hasim Rahman and Rahman was coming off wins over Meehan, Barrett and drew with Toney(Rahman should have got the decision), and Maskaev also beat Sinan Samil Sam . Samil Sam is the former European champion who beat Danny Williams in 6 rounds(flooring him 3 times) .

Maskaev is the best available opponent(name a better one ?) who is ranked 6th by the WBC, 7th by the IBF, 7th by Ring Magazine, 9th by Fightnews, 12th by Boxrec and 15th by the IBO . The general consensus is that if he's not top 10 he's at least top 15 . But imo he is top 10 .

Do you really think there is anyone better available ?, do you really think that Skelton is a better opponent than Maskaev ?, and considering how low you rate Haye why is it you seem to fancy him to beat a top 10 heavyweight easily ?

Big Ears

Hero Of College wrote: »

DAMN that Cruiserweight Division is stacked!!!

It's actually very strong at the minute, I'm glad someone has realised it and not overlooked the division because it's strenght mainly comes from European fighters .

Cunningham, Adamek, Huck, Tokarev, Kraj, Alexeev, Banks, Mormeck, Arslan, Maccarinelli, BJ Flores, Monrose, Wlodarczyk, Braithwaite, Bell, Hernandez, Wilson, Brudov, Frenkel, Drozd, Nwodo, Afolabi, Fields, Godfrey, Hide, Cantatore, Gurov, jirov, Licina, Batello, Ismailov, Williams . That's in no particular order and you're right, that is pretty stacked .

dlofnep

I personally don't think Haye will do anything at heavyweight.

Hero Of College

Big Ears wrote: »

It's not announced because it hasn't been made yet, no contracts have been signed and boxrec puts up fights on rumours . Maskaev would be a very good second opponent at heavyweight .

He's a lot better than Matt Skelton, who you not only felt Haye should fight before going after someone better but you also seemed confident that Skleton would beat Haye .

Maskaev was WBC champion just 4 months ago when he lost to peter . before that he had beaten Peter Okhello(bit of a gimme that), knocked out Hasim Rahman and Rahman was coming off wins over Meehan, Barrett and drew with Toney(Rahman should have got the decision), and Maskaev also beat Sinan Samil Sam . Samil Sam is the former European champion who beat Danny Williams in 6 rounds(flooring him 3 times) .

Maskaev is the best available opponent(name a better one ?) who is ranked 6th by the WBC, 7th by the IBF, 7th by Ring Magazine, 9th by Fightnews, 12th by Boxrec and 15th by the IBO . The general consensus is that if he's not top 10 he's at least top 15 . But imo he is top 10 .

Do you really think there is anyone better available ?, do you really think that Skelton is a better opponent than Maskaev ?, and considering how low you rate Haye why is it you seem to fancy him to beat a top 10 heavyweight easily ?

Well all I can say is that using the formula which David Haye applies, one is only as good as ones last fight, and Oleg lost that in brutal fashion. Skelton at least didnt get KO'd and kept it close enough, albeit against a sub-par Chagaev.

My reference to Skelton, if you check, alluded to Davids failure to do anything on the domestic scene. Hell the one good domestic Brit he fought, he lost to.

Barrett is available and coming off a win. Even better, he's giving David a dose of his own salts by calling him out.

Hero Of College

Big Ears wrote: »

It's actually very strong at the minute, I'm glad someone has realised it and not overlooked the division because it's strenght mainly comes from European fighters .

Cunningham, Adamek, Huck, Tokarev, Kraj, Alexeev, Banks, Mormeck, Arslan, Maccarinelli, BJ Flores, Monrose, Wlodarczyk, Braithwaite, Bell, Hernandez, Wilson, Brudov, Frenkel, Drozd, Nwodo, Afolabi, Fields, Godfrey, Hide, Cantatore, Gurov, jirov, Licina, Batello, Ismailov, Williams . That's in no particular order and you're right, that is pretty stacked .

All the guys David fought, in "Cleaning Out" Cruiser.

All The guys David DIDN'T FIGHT in "Cleaning Out" Cruiser

Damn, where is Lolenga Mock in that list? I would have thought such a tough, hard hitting dangerous opponent, so tough, so dangerous, so hard-hitting that he had David all over the shop and needed to be rescued by home town stoppage......OH! LOOK! HERE HE IS!!!!!!.....http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=17134&cat=boxer

The symmetry is staggering. Haye is trying to do the exact same thing at heavyweight. Couple of quick wins. Avoid the long hard route, the route which could potentially throw up a loss. A loss he knows will undo what little work he has done and immediately relegate his ass to "also-ran" status.

Hero Of College

dlofnep wrote: »

I personally don't think Haye will do anything at heavyweight.

But he already has. He has beaten fatso Polish doorman extraordinaire and former Audley Harrisson victim Tomaz Bonin, and will face coming-off-a-KO-loss-at-39-years-of-age-and-the-most-KO'd-HW-contender-in-the-top-10 Oleg Maskaev in his next fight.!!!

Big Ears

Hero Of College wrote: »

All the guys David fought, in "Cleaning Out" Cruiser.

All The guys David DIDN'T FIGHT in "Cleaning Out" Cruiser

Damn, where is Lolenga Mock in that list? I would have thought such a tough, hard hitting dangerous opponent, so tough, so dangerous, so hard-hitting that he had David all over the shop and needed to be rescued by home town stoppage......OH! LOOK! HERE HE IS!!!!!!.....http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=17134&cat=boxer

The symmetry is staggering. Haye is trying to do the exact same thing at heavyweight. Couple of quick wins. Avoid the long hard route, the route which could potentially throw up a loss. A loss he knows will undo what little work he has done and immediately relegate his ass to "also-ran" status.

A lot of those guys are up and coming and weren't in the scene when Haye was coming up . Adamek was at Light-heavyweight, Bell had lost to Mormeck, as had Braithwaite(he also lost to Enzo) .

Gurov was the best European(bar World champ Mormeck) at the time he beat him, then he beat the guy recognized as the man(Mormeck) and then he beat one of two men left with a claim on the title . The other(Cunningham) was struggling to get past the Pole Wlodarczyk and is virtually unknown in American despite holding a World title . Anyway by that stage Haye could no longer make the weight .

You're criticizing a fighter for going up in weight and trying to prove himself ?
Anyway it seems Haye isn't going to live up to your Audley Harrison the second tag . Harrison has never faced an opponent near as good as Maskaev in 7 years as a heavyweight . Haye's going to do it in his first proper fight after permanently moving up and that's probably something which annoys you quite a bit .

Hero Of College

Big Ears wrote: »

A lot of those guys are up and coming and weren't in the scene when Haye was coming up . Adamek was at Light-heavyweight, Bell had lost to Mormeck, as had Braithwaite(he also lost to Enzo) .

Gurov was the best European(bar World champ Mormeck) at the time he beat him, then he beat the guy recognized as the man(Mormeck) and then he beat one of two men left with a claim on the title . The other(Cunningham) was struggling to get past the Pole Wlodarczyk and is virtually unknown in American despite holding a World title . Anyway by that stage Haye could no longer make the weight .

You're criticizing a fighter for going up in weight and trying to prove himself ?
Anyway it seems Haye isn't going to live up to your Audley Harrison the second tag . Harrison has never faced an opponent near as good as Maskaev in 7 years as a heavyweight . Haye's going to do it in his first proper fight after permanently moving up and that's probably something which annoys you quite a bit .

To be honest, the fact that David is fighting an old man coming off a KO loss isn't too annoying, in fact it confirms my suspsicions of David as being a playboy bitch whose mouth writes cheques his ass can't clear.

What annoys me is he does these cheapo stunts and dismisses other fighters whilst simulatenously doing fack all himself.

Does it annoy me that he degrades and deludes himself? No. Does it annoy me that he downgrades others as he does, aswell as sh!tting on boxing itself? Yes, it does.

And I want to see him hurt. Badly.

Chris Eubank always said boxing was a mugs game. The fact that he was right didn't do him any favours with the public.

Big Ears

Hero Of College wrote: »

I want to see him hurt. Badly.

Honestly, I feel sorry for you

Hero Of College

Big Ears wrote: »

Honestly, I feel sorry for you

Fine. Woe betide you ever come across American fight fans. You'll know real hatred when you see it then. Here's a little nugget, and listen carefully, I'm giving you pearls here son: there is a man called Jake Donovan who writes for Maxboxing.com and he used to write over at www.fightbeat.com

He said he rolled around his sitting room laughing when Wlad got KTFO by Sanders.

You know why?

Cos he's like that.

We all have our favourites. Donovan is a small time promoter and doesn't like HBO. Wlad was a HBO fighter, and so figure the rest out. Like I said, we all have our reasons.

Big Ears

Hero Of College wrote: »

Fine. Woe betide you ever come across American fight fans. You'll know real hatred when you see it then. Here's a little nugget, and listen carefully, I'm giving you pearls here son: there is a man called Jake Donovan who writes for Maxboxing.com and he used to write over at www.fightbeat.com

He said he rolled around his sitting room laughing when Wlad got KTFO by Sanders.

You know why?

Cos he's like that.

We all have our favourites. Donovan is a small time promoter and doesn't like HBO. Wlad was a HBO fighter, and so figure the rest out. Like I said, we all have our reasons.

I just think there is something wrong with someone wanting to see someone they do not know seriously hurt . I'm assuming you have never met David Haye . Even if you have I'm assuming he has never done anything to you/your family or others you love to warrent you wanting him seriously hurt ?

It just seems rather sadistic to me, and while there are plenty of crazy people out there I just didn't expect to see people with those emotions on our small civilized boxing on these forums . But such is life .

Hero Of College

Big Ears wrote: »

I just think there is something wrong with someone wanting to see someone they do not know seriously hurt . I'm assuming you have never met David Haye . Even if you have I'm assuming he has never done anything to you/your family or others you love to warrent you wanting him seriously hurt ?

It just seems rather sadistic to me, and while there are plenty of crazy people out there I just didn't expect to see people with those emotions on our small civilized boxing on these forums . But such is life .

I genuinely don't want to see him hurt. Just beaten up and embarassed. Cos he's a mouth, and a none too intelligent one at that. What sort of an arsehole demeans the house he is about to move into??

Eubank never wanted to hurt Watson. He just said he wanted to hurt him. We all say things we don't mean.

joepenguin

Haye is certainly no bum. As for him not fighting that many of the current top tier cruisers. He beat the linear champ Mormeck, and Maccarenelli. Thats the top figher in the division and IMO a top 5 also(Maccarenelli).
I would class beating Maccarenelli as "doing something" at domestic level.

Cant wait to see Haye at Heavy. How much damage can he inflict on much bigger men, how will his chin hold up against their shots when cruisers have put him down.

I dont see why he should have to go through loads of heavys to fight Wlad. He's the best cruiserweight in the world. 3-4 fights would be loads.

The Artist

Isnt David Haye lined up for August 18th to fight Oleg Maskaev in the O2 Arena.

joepenguin

Boxrec have it as 18th of october in the o2 arena. But I wouuldnt take that as set in stone. They have DLH-Trindad set for December for example.

Big Ears

The Artist wrote: »

Isnt David Haye lined up for August 18th to fight Oleg Maskaev in the O2 Arena.

according to boxrec yes, that doesn't mean it is set but hopefully it is because Maskaev is the best available opponent .

If you go to the start of the thread you'll notice that the original poster actually made this thread to give out about the recently dethroned Maskaev as an opponent , despite stating that Haye should not only fight Matt Skelton but that Skelton would beat him .

Big Ears

joepenguin wrote: »

Boxrec have it as 18th of october in the o2 arena. But I wouuldnt take that as set in stone. They have DLH-Trindad set for December for example.

The venue and date are pretty much set, it is the opponent which is not .

Hero Of College

Big Ears wrote: »

according to boxrec yes, that doesn't mean it is set but hopefully it is because Maskaev is the best available opponent .

If you go to the start of the thread you'll notice that the original poster actually made this thread to give out about the recently dethroned Maskaev as an opponent , despite stating that Haye should not only fight Matt Skelton but that Skelton would beat him .

Matt Skelton is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay fresher than Maskaev. Don't try and pass Maskaevs exploits off as proof that he is anything other than an old tired fighter.

Ali was a 3 time Heavyweight Ex-Champ when he fought Berbick.....but that doesn't mean he was the best man out there.

I'm just going to have to mark you down as a man who has bought the David Haye/Setanta/Steve Dunce propaganda.

cowzerp

Skelton-:eek:

Your nuts, and this proves it.
Haye has talent, no doubt, the thing is can it transfer to the heavyweight scene, i judge with my own eyes and not by what setanta say and i see a fighter with ability and lots of speed at heavy with a suspect chin, his speed at heavy might negate this.

The Artist

cowzerp wrote: »

Skelton-:eek:

Your nuts, and this proves it.
Haye has talent, no doubt, the thing is can it transfer to the heavyweight scene, i judge with my own eyes and not by what setanta say and i see a fighter with ability and lots of speed at heavy with a suspect chin, his speed at heavy might negate this.

why skelton to fight haye.
if it did happen i cant wait to laugh at them at the ring.
bell rings for the first round and whooomp 20secs later,ring announcer says" 20 seconds by way of Ko and winner is David Haye"!!!!:)

Hero Of College

The Artist wrote: »

why skelton to fight haye.
if it did happen i cant wait to laugh at them at the ring.
bell rings for the first round and whooomp 20secs later,ring announcer says" 20 seconds by way of Ko and winner is David Haye"!!!!:)

Thats right. Haye is going to get done in 20 seconds what Danny Williams, Chagaev and co couldn't do in 12 rounds. Skelton is a big strong determined man. Now, Oleg is too, but he's been in the deep end too long. Skelton is as old but nowhere near as worn. If Haye could blow through Skelton I would be appreciative. But he won't even take the risk. He won't even fight Barrett.

The Artist

Hero Of College wrote: »

Thats right. Haye is going to get done in 20 seconds what Danny Williams, Chagaev and co couldn't do in 12 rounds. Skelton is a big strong determined man. Now, Oleg is too, but he's been in the deep end too long. Skelton is as old but nowhere near as worn. If Haye could blow through Skelton I would be appreciative. But he won't even take the risk. He won't even fight Barrett.

who wont fight barrett(monte)?
are ye saying that Haye will be ko'd in 20 secs??

Hero Of College

The Artist wrote: »

who wont fight barrett(monte)?
are ye saying that Haye will be ko'd in 20 secs??

1.Haye

2.No

theone

you honestly think skelton will beat haye am I right? or are you trolling which I suspect you are.

Hero Of College

theone wrote: »

you honestly think skelton will beat haye am I right? or are you trolling which I suspect you are.

Skelton would have a great chance. No doubt. Any fighter who is baleful and phlegmatic enough to keep his guard up, tuck his chin in, weather the storm and press and force Haye to work...stands a great chance.

Hero Of College

theone wrote: »

you honestly think skelton will beat haye am I right? or are you trolling which I suspect you are.

well..if Williams can get past McDermott, wouldn't Williams be an excellent introduction to the division for Haye.???

theone

as much as i like danny as a person it would be a step down for haye ,it would be alot better than fighting skelton but still a step down.

how can he talk up a fight with klitschko next year if he's fighting Danny,he'd do well to steer clear of the british heavyweight scene.It's not a very likely scenario either.

Big Ears

Hero Of College wrote: »

well..if Williams can get past McDermott, wouldn't Williams be an excellent introduction to the division for Haye.???

No, Williams is kinda shot . He comes in heavy, soaks up what the other guy does and then tries to turn it round with his power .

Maskaev is still a stiffer test than that, infact almost any fighter in the top 10 of the four orgs is . I love Williams, but his punch resistance seems weaker than it used to be, his stamina isn't great anymore, all he has left is the big punch and huge heart he's always had .

Williams should win tonight, and after that he's apparently got himself a place on the Peter v Klitschko undercard against a yet unamed American opponent . The idea is he's an easy fight for the winner but I doubt anyone would want to see a return with Vitali .

Williams is probably my favourite ever heavy, he's had such a rollercoaster of a career . The fights with Kali Meehan and Shawn Robinson show the talent Williams had and what he could of achieved and I don't there is any videos of his first few fights on youtube anymore but it's amazing to see the difference .He was a small skinny heavyweight who was quick on his toes, very athletic and had reflexes like a cat .

The remarkable turnaround in the Potter fight where he had a dislocated shoulder to the hammering Vitali gave him shows his great heart .

The way he fought Tyson was admirable too and he got everything he deserved that night, the first Skelton fight was a real cracker and the best fight by far or the British heavyweight roundabout .

He's had huge setbacks like the Sam fight but to this day is still able to pull out remarkable wins like the Platov fight(I don't care what the 'official record' says) and the win in Spain over Airich despite the incredible farce .

It's been as dramatic a career as you could find and I'd love to see him pick up the European title with revenge over Sam, but he's not the right opponent for Haye . Haye wouldn't tire like Platov, he wouldn't stand in front of him like Platov or Airich . He'd move , fire big shots and move again . He just wouldn't be there for the modern day Williams to find .

Hero Of College

theone wrote: »

as much as i like danny as a person it would be a step down for haye ,it would be alot better than fighting skelton but still a step down.

how can he talk up a fight with klitschko next year if he's fighting Danny,he'd do well to steer clear of the british heavyweight scene.It's not a very likely scenario either.

:pac::pac::pac::pac:

He's fighting TBA right now, and STILL talking up Klitschko.:D:D
WBO


WBA Top 10 Contenders {Excluding Chagaev, Valuev and Ruiz}

Kali Meehan
Taras Bidenko
Dimitrenko
Golota
Kevin Johnson
Liakhovich
Chapman
Drumond

IBF Top 10 Contenders


WBC TOP 10 Contenders

1 .- Vladimir Virchis (Ukraine) EBU
2 .- Juan Carlos Gomez (Cuba) INTL
3 .- John Ruiz (P. Rico)
4 .- Alexander Dimitrenko (Ukraine)
5 .- Chris Arreola (US) AMERICA
6 .- David Haye (GB)
7 .- Oleg Maskaev (Kazakhstan)
8 .- Hasim Rahman (US)
9 .- Andrew Golota (Poland)
10 .- Kali Meehan (New Zealand)


IBF TOP 10
1 Alexander Povetkin
2 NOT RATED
3 Alexander Dimitrenko
4 Hasim Rahman
5 Sultan Ibragimov
6 John Ruiz
7 Oleg Maskaev
8 Eddie Chambers
9 Tony Thompson
10 Chris Arreola

Hero Of College

My guess is that he's gonna fight

Kali Meehan:rolleyes:
Taras Bidenko:rolleyes:
Chapman:rolleyes:
Drummond:rolleyes:
Johnson:rolleyes:
Chambers:rolleyes:

Hero Of College

Big Ears wrote: »

No, Williams is kinda shot . He comes in heavy, soaks up what the other guy does and then tries to turn it round with his power.....but his punch resistance seems weaker than it used to be, his stamina isn't great anymore, all he has left is the big punch and huge heart he's always had

Sounds like a perfect opponent for Dave!!!

BigEars wrote:

Williams should win tonight, and after that he's apparently got himself a place on the Peter v Klitschko undercard against a yet unamed American opponent

You see....for all Williams faults, he is fighting a guy TONIGHT, with word of his next opponent/venue/scene already announced.

Haye on the other hand....is TBA'g us all to death.

theone

your right to laugh at the rankings nearly as bad as p4p you shouldn't take much notice of them.

You made it pretty obvious you don't like david haye but the heavyweight division needs a bit of excitement,and theres not much else out there.

He may have a dodgy chin,he's not fighting the weight so that might help and heavyweights are no where near as fast as cruiserweights.Your alot more likely to go down from a punch you don't see,less likely to happen at heavyweight.

But the heavyweight division needs some excitement,the lighter weights are taking over.

Hero Of College wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac::pac:

He's fighting TBA right now, and STILL talking up Klitschko.:D:D
WBO


WBA Top 10 Contenders {Excluding Chagaev, Valuev and Ruiz}

Kali Meehan
Taras Bidenko
Dimitrenko
Golota
Kevin Johnson
Liakhovich
Chapman
Drumond

IBF Top 10 Contenders


WBC TOP 10 Contenders

1 .- Vladimir Virchis (Ukraine) EBU
2 .- Juan Carlos Gomez (Cuba) INTL
3 .- John Ruiz (P. Rico)
4 .- Alexander Dimitrenko (Ukraine)
5 .- Chris Arreola (US) AMERICA
6 .- David Haye (GB)
7 .- Oleg Maskaev (Kazakhstan)
8 .- Hasim Rahman (US)
9 .- Andrew Golota (Poland)
10 .- Kali Meehan (New Zealand)


IBF TOP 10
1 Alexander Povetkin
2 NOT RATED
3 Alexander Dimitrenko
4 Hasim Rahman
5 Sultan Ibragimov
6 John Ruiz
7 Oleg Maskaev
8 Eddie Chambers
9 Tony Thompson
10 Chris Arreola

joepenguin

I dont see a point in Haye announcing his opponent just yet, ist not like they need an opponent this far out to hype the fight, Im good with TBA for another few weeks as long as he keeps his word that its a top 10 fighter, the bigger name the better. We all know he's chasing the divisions number one and wants a fight with Klitschko within a year.

Hero Of College

joepenguin wrote: »

I dont see a point in Haye announcing his opponent just yet, ist not like they need an opponent this far out to hype the fight, Im good with TBA for another few weeks as long as he keeps his word that its a top 10 fighter, the bigger name the better. We all know he's chasing the divisions number one and wants a fight with Klitschko within a year.

Would you be happy with one fighter from that shortlist which I drew up: Kali Meehan, Bidenko etc???

Watch this, it gives a new meaning to the "O2 Arena":D:D

Big Ears

Hero Of College wrote: »

My guess is that he's gonna fight

Kali Meehan:rolleyes:
Taras Bidenko:rolleyes:
Chapman:rolleyes:
Drummond:rolleyes:
Johnson:rolleyes:
Chambers:rolleyes:

What's wrong with Chambers ?, he's beaten Brock and lesser Americans such as Guinn, Raphael Butler and Derrick Rossy . He's got very quick hands and wasn't blown away by Povetkin, merely outworked . Chambers isn't the biggest hitter out there but if Haye's chin really is china then Chambers would be more likely to crack it due to the speed and accuracy of his shots .

Meehan may have been blown away by Danny Williams( a long time ago) and stopped relatively easily by Rahman . However he was unlucky to lose a split decision to Brewster for the WBO title and he recently sparked 'Touch of Sleep' , who is a pretty decent fighter . He's also the only man to stop Peter Okhello . Now he's not a great fighter by any means but he's not crap either . With that said I wouldn't be happy with him as an opponent for Haye unless Haye was going to keep very active .

Bidenko isn't that bad either, but he'd be a poor opponent recgonition wise as no one knows him outside of Germany .

Johnson is poor enough and Drumond and Chapman are absolute poop but none of those guys will be selected .

You say that you think one of these guys will be picked but i think even you don't believe that . Chambers is the only one I could see as a possibility .

Hero Of College

Big Ears wrote: »

What's wrong with Chambers ?, he's beaten Brock and lesser Americans such as Guinn, Raphael Butler and Derrick Rossy . He's got very quick hands and wasn't blown away by Povetkin, merely outworked . Chambers isn't the biggest hitter out there but if Haye's chin really is china then Chambers would be more likely to crack it due to the speed and accuracy of his shots .

Meehan may have been blown away by Danny Williams( a long time ago) and stopped relatively easily by Rahman . However he was unlucky to lose a split decision to Brewster for the WBO title and he recently sparked 'Touch of Sleep' , who is a pretty decent fighter . He's also the only man to stop Peter Okhello . Now he's not a great fighter by any means but he's not crap either . With that said I wouldn't be happy with him as an opponent for Haye unless Haye was going to keep very active .

Bidenko isn't that bad either, but he'd be a poor opponent recgonition wise as no one knows him outside of Germany .

Johnson is poor enough and Drumond and Chapman are absolute poop but none of those guys will be selected .

You say that you think one of these guys will be picked but i think even you don't believe that . Chambers is the only one I could see as a possibility .

Those guys that I listed are the weakest of the lot there. I'd love to see him fight Golota. Bidenko is a good fighter, he gave Valuev some fight. I would put money that Hayes camp have identified those guys as being the weaker fighters though and will go for one of them. I personally feel Chambers might get the nod, because if Haye can stop him then he can say he did better than Povetkin and therefore etc. I think Meehan is the sort of wild cowboy they might avoid just yet.

mickoo

to appreciate klitchsko more than haye you would have to be a big slow awkward heavy yourself, thats my guess. Anyway haye will be too quick for klit's lazy lab and fitter and generally more exciting. Ps. Why do all your post's go on about him anyway? Strange.

Hero Of College

mickoo wrote: »

to appreciate klitchsko more than haye you would have to be a big slow awkward heavy yourself, thats my guess. Anyway haye will be too quick for klit's lazy lab and fitter and generally more exciting. Ps. Why do all your post's go on about him anyway? Strange.

Klitschko is not slow. His jab is the best in the division, and therefore the best in boxing. Haye is not fitter than Klitschko, he cant even fight 4 rounds at a fast pace.

joepenguin

Hero Of College wrote: »

Would you be happy with one fighter from that shortlist which I drew up: Kali Meehan, Bidenko etc???

Don't think I've seen any of them fight but was thinking more along the lines of Rahman, Toney etc. A big name that everyone is familiar with and will provide a stern test for a re-debut to the heavyweights, a gate keeper to world title level.

Hero Of College

joepenguin wrote: »

Don't think I've seen any of them fight but was thinking more along the lines of Rahman, Toney etc. A big name that everyone is familiar with and will provide a stern test for a re-debut to the heavyweights, a gate keeper to world title level.

Rahman is finished.

Toney, yeah sure, I'd settle for Toney. Its a no lose situation, two lower-division guys with big mouths. Winner stays in HVY mix, loser goes home.

joepenguin

Didn't Rahman only lose under controversial circumstances? if so than id say he and Toney are still level. Anywho as long as its a big name fringe world level fighter that is capable of showing Haye what the heavyweights hit like and test his chin a couple of times I'm happy.

Big Ears

joepenguin wrote: »

Didn't Rahman only lose under controversial circumstances? if so than id say he and Toney are still level. Anywho as long as its a big name fringe world level fighter that is capable of showing Haye what the heavyweights hit like and test his chin a couple of times I'm happy.

Rahman got cut from a headbutt which and his vision wasn't impaired .
The doctor said Rahman was okay to fight, Rahman says he wasn't, Rahman correctly loses by tko .

The fight was close(29-28 in eithers favour would of been fair) but Toney despite still being fat(in the best shape he's been in years) at least wanted to fight . Rahman was looking for a way out and got it .

I don't think either fighter poses an real problems for Haye at this stage .

Hero Of College

Big Ears wrote: »

Rahman got cut from a headbutt which and his vision wasn't impaired .
The doctor said Rahman was okay to fight, Rahman says he wasn't, Rahman correctly loses by tko .

The fight was close(29-28 in eithers favour would of been fair) but Toney despite still being fat(in the best shape he's been in years) at least wanted to fight . Rahman was looking for a way out and got it .

I don't think either fighter poses an real problems for Haye at this stage .

Oh, Toney will pose real problems for David. He should still take the fight, cos if he beats James he beats a guy that generally, in his reincarnation at Heavy and Cruiser, loses only to good opponents.

David will take one look at him slipping and countering and probably settle on an easier touch.

Big Ears

Hero Of College wrote: »

Oh, Toney will pose real problems for David. He should still take the fight, cos if he beats James he beats a guy that generally, in his reincarnation at Heavy and Cruiser, loses only to good opponents.

David will take one look at him slipping and countering and probably settle on an easier touch.

He didn't seem to slip and counter too well against the blown up Light-Heavyweight Danny Batchelder, infact worringly so he was badly stunned in that fight .

Possibly even more worryingly so he tested positive for steroids for the second time in his career, but was still given the spli decision win as Batchelder was on them too :rolleyes:

Toney was also shaken in the second fight against peter(although not during the knockdown) so it seems his punch resistance is starting to go, his reflexes and speed are definitely starting to go and I'm very worried about how he slurs his speech .

Toney shoud have never gone above 200 lbs, he is essentially a fat Cruiserweight and I'd expect Haye to take him out easily enough . There are much better heavyweight challengers out there than a shot James Toney .

Hero Of College

Big Ears wrote: »

He didn't seem to slip and counter too well against the blown up Light-Heavyweight Danny Batchelder, infact worringly so he was badly stunned in that fight .

Possibly even more worryingly so he tested positive for steroids for the second time in his career, but was still given the spli decision win as Batchelder was on them too :rolleyes:

Toney was also shaken in the second fight against peter(although not during the knockdown) so it seems his punch resistance is starting to go, his reflexes and speed are definitely starting to go and I'm very worried about how he slurs his speech .

Toney shoud have never gone above 200 lbs, he is essentially a fat Cruiserweight and I'd expect Haye to take him out easily enough . There are much better heavyweight challengers out there than a shot James Toney .

Maybe, but even fat shot James Toney has the edge over TBA. Its pushing August, Haye hasn't made an announcement as to who he will be fighting. My guess is that WHOEVER he will be fighting HAS NOT BEEN TRAINING this last Summer gone. Haye has. So Haye will spring the surprise, offer money to some guy at short notice, {not to mention the public} and then tell us all how great he is by beating a decidedly unprepared fighter who takes the fight for the money.

He is kidding...NO-ONE.

I saw him in his vest on Setanta Sports....I assume that was to impress his sluts at the newsdesk....he's not even any bigger than Steve Bunce...Klitschko must dwarf the guy.

Big Ears

Hero Of College wrote: »

Maybe, but even fat shot James Toney has the edge over TBA. Its pushing August, Haye hasn't made an announcement as to who he will be fighting. My guess is that WHOEVER he will be fighting HAS NOT BEEN TRAINING this last Summer gone. Haye has. So Haye will spring the surprise, offer money to some guy at short notice, {not to mention the public} and then tell us all how great he is by beating a decidedly unprepared fighter who takes the fight for the money.

He is kidding...NO-ONE.

I saw him in his vest on Setanta Sports....I assume that was to impress his sluts at the newsdesk....he's not even any bigger than Steve Bunce...Klitschko must dwarf the guy.

The fight isn't scheduled for another 4 months, there is no point in announcing an opponent this early it doesn't do anyone any favours .

You make all these assumptions about Haye yet he hasn't got a record of doing any of these things . It seems more like you want him to do those things so you can bitch about him and then say Klitschko is etc etc .

Hero Of College

Big Ears wrote: »

The fight isn't scheduled for another 4 months, there is no point in announcing an opponent this early it doesn't do anyone any favours .

You make all these assumptions about Haye yet he has got a record of doing any of these things . It seems more like you want him to do those things so you can bitch about him and then say Klitschko is etc etc .

I know he has.

Big Ears

Hero Of College wrote: »

I know he has.

Obviously a mistake on my part, you can doubt Haye's physical quantities such as chin, whether his power moves up, physical strength, whether he can retain his speed, natural size etc but you're trying to paint a very biased portrait when it comes to opposition and stuff like that .

Haye does not have a record of ducking fighters, nor does he have a record of bringing in guys on late notice......these are things you wish he did .