Collusion during the Marty Smyth Celebration Tournament

Samoa Joe

During the Marty Smyth Celebration Tournament it was brought to our attention that the eventual winner may been colluding. After a thorough Playcheck this was found to be the case. Boylepoker have seized the funds and redistributed them accordingly.

Boylepoker will not tolerate anyone trying to collude or gain an unfair advantage in our Cardroom. Both parties involved have since been banned by Boylepoker.

newbie2

Who was it?

Samoa Joe

newbie2 wrote: »

Who was it?

We will not be naming names. Both parties have been dealt with.

newbie2

elvismm wrote: »

WP everyone what a great prizepool for such a small buy in

WP to all who made the Final table and especially to "thedrunkenone" a good friend of mine and Garlo who claimed 1st nd 2nd

TCB guys:)

dannydiamond

Well done Boylepoker,swift justice.

KevIRL

LOL newbie2.


fair play to Boyle's on this.

eoin-dubh

well done inspector Boyle..........

same ISP address ??

Samoa Joe

eoin-dubh wrote: »

well done inspector Boyle..........

same ISP address ??

They were noticed by a player who reported it to us. We went through the play and found the hands. We had to be 100% before we took any action.

theGIANT

well done on this these people should be named and shamed.played with boylesports a few years ago but left when i was put off by people playin in the same tables together.they made it very obvious at the internet cafe!!

CHD

LOL!

Fair play Boyles!

tricky D

Good work there, Boylepoker

zuroph

hey does this bump bohsman up the winnings?!? if so WELL DONE BOHSMAN!!!!

also, elvismm, care to elaborate on how u know these?!?!?

Rb

Great work Boyle.

Zuroph: He referred to TCB which can only be these fags. If you have a look at the registered users list, you'll see "TheDrunkenOne" and "Garlo08".

Fags.

Samoa Joe

zuroph wrote: »

hey does this bump bohsman up the winnings?!? if so WELL DONE BOHSMAN!!!!

also, elvismm, care to elaborate on how u know these?!?!?

The guy came second regularly posts on another forum which we look after. He was not involved in any form of collusion or soft play. The guy who won it had joined up that day. Elvis is the owner of the forum and that is how he knows them again he was not involved.

Ste05

Great stuff Boyles... we need more of this kind of thing....

zuroph

good work on the fast follow up! so how many were involved? i now came 165th!

Rb

Ciaran, will they be banned from the entire Ipoker network?i.e will you send their details on to the other sites?

I'd recommend you forward their details on to Stars, FullTilt etc if possible too in an attempt to get the blacklisted from as many sites as possible.

Again, fantastic job, very impressive.

Samoa Joe

Rb wrote: »

Ciaran, will they be banned from the entire Ipoker network?i.e will you send their details on to the other sites?

I'd recommend you forward their details on to Stars, FullTilt etc if possible too in an attempt to get the blacklisted from as many sites as possible.

Again, fantastic job, very impressive.

the ipoker collusion team will take steps but that is not really for me to discuss.Unfortunatly there is no "swapping" details between sites. If it was the case it would help bring fraud and collusion cases way down.

Samoa Joe

zuroph wrote: »

good work on the fast follow up! so how many were involved? i now came 165th!

Just 2 players

elvismm

zuroph wrote: »

hey does this bump bohsman up the winnings?!? if so WELL DONE BOHSMAN!!!!

also, elvismm, care to elaborate on how u know these?!?!?

As ciaran said i had no idea what had happened.

I know Thedrunkenone and he had no part in it and was awarded 1st place after the discovery of the events that took place

Garlo had only joined my forum that day

Other than that you probably know more about it than me


Please if the guy spamming my forum is reading this please stop as i have said i know nothing about it and neither did the drunkenone

thanks

Lurker1977

Hi Elvis,

I am not going to sign up in tcb just to say this but another of the posters there has quite openly stated that they have folded hands they were confident were winning hands to allow friends to double up etc. This is soft playing and is wholly unacceptable. For you to state that you are "neutral" on all of it after it being stated clearly that the player in question did softplay is also incorrect. Soft playing is against the rules, unethical and against the spirit in which the game is played.

Rb

elvismm wrote: »

As ciaran said i had no idea what had happened.

I know Thedrunkenone and he had no part in it and was awarded 1st place after the discovery of the events that took place

Garlo had only joined my forum that day

Other than that you probably know more about it than me


Please if the guy spamming my forum is reading this please stop as i have said i know nothing about it and neither did the drunkenone

thanks

Wait, what?

TheDrunkenOne came first, at the time you said congrats to them as they're your friends and the like, even noticed you'd posted it on your forum, and now you're saying the same guy had nothing to do with it?

Lurker1977

Thedrunkenone came second. Garlo came first.

Samoa Joe

Rb wrote: »

Wait, what?

TheDrunkenOne came first, at the time you said congrats to them as they're your friends and the like, even noticed you'd posted it on your forum, and now you're saying the same guy had nothing to do with it?

the drunken one came second but was amended to first. As I said before he was not involved.

Ste05

Moved to main forum.

aegilops

Well done Ciaran.

I believe this happened at my table and many other players commented on it in the chat window at the time. Well-done Boyle Sports on taking action….

That’s bumped me up from 10th to 9th and the extra money in the account already. Nice one…

phantom_lord

nice work

elvismm

Rb wrote: »

Wait, what?

TheDrunkenOne came first, at the time you said congrats to them as they're your friends and the like, even noticed you'd posted it on your forum, and now you're saying the same guy had nothing to do with it?

The guy joined that day so i know nothing about him.Yes when he won i cheered him on as he is a member on my forum.

Do u not do that here ?or are "NEWBIES" made to feel unwelcome?.


As i say i can vouch 100% for thedrunkenone that he had no part in what happened


Its a new forum and im trying to make it a good one for everyone

elvismm

Lurker1977 wrote: »

Hi Elvis,

I am not going to sign up in tcb just to say this but another of the posters there has quite openly stated that they have folded hands they were confident were winning hands to allow friends to double up etc. This is soft playing and is wholly unacceptable. For you to state that you are "neutral" on all of it after it being stated clearly that the player in question did softplay is also incorrect. Soft playing is against the rules, unethical and against the spirit in which the game is played.

I am neutral

i have no facts on the matter only what i have read on here or on my forum.I cant say hes a cheat and i cant say he is not.

When they say soft play against each other what am i supposed to do?
i dont run poker MTTs i run a forum where people can talk about poker and other general stuff.

I cant tell people how to play can i?
Yes i can say well softplaying and collusion is wrong which i totally agree with its Wrong but i cant force em to do what i want.

As i have said in my posts i do not condone cheating as id hate it to happen against me.So with that being said i dont want this thread to run into a slurring match about TCB as none of us had any idea about it until today.

You're all welcome to Join TCB whenever you want or browse the pages and you will see at no time does TCB condones cheating or softplay.

Ste05

elvismm wrote: »

So with that being said i dont want this thread to run into a slurring match about TCB as none of us had any idea about it until today.

And it's not going to. Enough talk about TCB. Talk about what Elvis might have posted, or whatever others might have posted if you want but it's not like Elvis is here to represent every single post on that forum.

So this discussion has nothing to do with TCB's forums as a whole. Its about Collusion in a Boyle's Poker MTT and it just so happens some of the guilty parties may have been members of that forum.

Ste05

opr

Fair play to Ciaran and boyles for following this up and bringing it to such a quick resolution.

Opr

Simplicity

opr wrote: »

Fair play to Ciaran and boyles for following this up and bringing it to such a quick resolution.

Opr

+1

Few extra bob for me. Never thought I'd be in a collusion debacle tbh!

Tar.Aldarion

Nice work!

Blip

Ciaran_Corbett wrote: »

the ipoker collusion team will take steps but that is not really for me to discuss.Unfortunatly there is no "swapping" details between sites. If it was the case it would help bring fraud and collusion cases way down.

How will the Ipoker team take steps if they dont know who their suppose to be taking steps about??

With all due respect Ciaran this does not sound correct to me, now I dont know how these things work and maybe I'm getting the wrong end of your post, (maybe some other rep from another Ipoker site could shed some light if you cant comment further) but surely Boyles, PPP, GJP, etc. would have an obligation to inform the Ipoker higherarcky about a collusion issue and the personal details of the colluders are made known to Ipoker. This is the only way that the platform company could restrict access from said involved to their software site wide.

The honest punters who choose to pay to play on thier chosen site deserve to be protected. Although all place finishes are moved up the pay scale and are somewhat compensated, no conpensation is ever given to the unfortunate player midway / throughout a tourney that has been shafted by a collusion effort...

......Having said all that, excellent swift response from Boyles and WP for making the issue public so quickly..

Samoa Joe

Blip wrote: »

How will the Ipoker team take steps if they dont know who their suppose to be taking steps about??

With all due respect Ciaran this does not sound correct to me, now I dont know how these things work and maybe I'm getting the wrong end of your post, (maybe some other rep from another Ipoker site could shed some light if you cant comment further) but surely Boyles, PPP, GJP, etc. would have an obligation to inform the Ipoker higherarcky about a collusion issue and the personal details of the colluders are made known to Ipoker. This is the only way that the platform company could restrict access from said involved to their software site wide.

The honest punters who choose to pay to play on thier chosen site deserve to be protected. Although all place finishes are moved up the pay scale and are somewhat compensated, no conpensation is ever given to the unfortunate player midway / throughout a tourney that has been shafted by a collusion effort...

......Having said all that, excellent swift response from Boyles and WP for making the issue public so quickly..

Sorry I was a bit unclear. I meant from say iPoker to Stars or fulltilt. I cannot comment on iPokers proceedures as I dont work directly for them.

DeVore

FYI.... it would be a breach of the data protection act to share details of a player between skins (Boyles, Paddys, GJP etc), much as I would like that.

The correct way is for the skin to report the user to iPoker who sit at the top of the tree and can (and will) manage this from there.

There is no formalised discussing of problem players between networks (iPoker, Stars etc) that I know of.

DeV.

Simplicity

Stupid question but did someone not post a comment on the night about collusion? A screen dump into word?

I can't seem to track it down. To save what little sanity I have left, was it removed?

Blip

DeVore wrote: »

FYI.... it would be a breach of the data protection act to share details of a player between skins (Boyles, Paddys, GJP etc), much as I would like that.

The correct way is for the skin to report the user to iPoker who sit at the top of the tree and can (and will) manage this from there.
There is no formalised discussing of problem players between networks (iPoker, Stars etc) that I know of.

DeV.

OK ,this is how I thought the process works.....just wondering, does the skin/other skins get a formal return stating that said player is restricted / blocked from opening an account or does the personal details get auto blocked from creating an account.

Samoa Joe

Simplicity wrote: »

Stupid question but did someone not post a comment on the night about collusion? A screen dump into word?

I can't seem to track it down. To save what little sanity I have left, was it removed?

Its in the thread about the tourney the other night

Ste05

Simplicity wrote: »

Stupid question but did someone not post a comment on the night about collusion? A screen dump into word?

I can't seem to track it down. To save what little sanity I have left, was it removed?

Yes it was removed by request of the person who posted it.

Simplicity

Sanity balanced. thanks Ste and C C

Mellor

seams suspect, esp considering one of the players was found to be cheating

BIG-SLICK-POKER

What is Tcb and where is it based this Forum?

Good spot by Boyles , Iwould have left is at that tbh and answered anymore on it as the job was done and player was handled .

Collusion online i never would have thought that happens Wd Ciaran

Ste05

BIG-SLICK-POKER wrote: »

Good spot by Boyles

It certainly was, but it just shows that people should be reporting any suspicious behaviour they see at the tables...

hotspur

DeVore wrote: »

FYI.... it would be a breach of the data protection act to share details of a player between skins (Boyles, Paddys, GJP etc), much as I would like that.
The correct way is for the skin to report the user to iPoker who sit at the top of the tree and can (and will) manage this from there.
There is no formalised discussing of problem players between networks (iPoker, Stars etc) that I know of.
DeV.

This just got me into quite a large spiral of thinking:
from seeing if the UK Data protection Act applied to the Isle of Man ->
the implications of the Isle of Man being outside the EEA ->
the implications of Alderney being outside the EEA ->
what class of action is collusion? Since it is not unlawful and thus not exempted under the UK Data Protection Act in respect of sharing data what is the legal basis for confiscating funds?

So the question I have is - what is the relationship between breaking a company's terms and conditions and their legal ability to confiscate funds? Which I suppose boils down to just - how come you are legally allowed to confiscate funds in the 1st place? And which legal jurisdiction counts in respect of collusion? Is it the country a skin is based in for registering players, the country their gaming license is from, the country the network is registered in, the country where the servers are, the country where the offending player happened to be at the time etc. Or is all of that irrelevant and the company can just confiscate funds without any independent verification or authority? Do you have to justify such confiscations to the Alderney Gambling Control Commission to their satisfaction as to the merits of it?

If Ciaran could find the time to answer these more general questions I would be very obliged as it's something I haven't looked into before.

Grafter

So the question I have is - what is the relationship between breaking a company's terms and conditions and their legal ability to confiscate funds? Which I suppose boils down to just - how come you are legally allowed to confiscate funds in the 1st place?

Mark Telscher's (sp?) sister is currently using the IOM courts to chase the WCOOP prize that was removed from her account because she didn't play the tourney herself.

That'll be the benchmark.

DeVore

hotspur wrote: »

This just got me into quite a large spiral of thinking:
from seeing if the UK Data protection Act applied to the Isle of Man ->
the implications of the Isle of Man being outside the EEA ->
the implications of Alderney being outside the EEA ->
what class of action is collusion? Since it is not unlawful and thus not exempted under the UK Data Protection Act in respect of sharing data what is the legal basis for confiscating funds?

So the question I have is - what is the relationship between breaking a company's terms and conditions and their legal ability to confiscate funds? Which I suppose boils down to just - how come you are legally allowed to confiscate funds in the 1st place? And which legal jurisdiction counts in respect of collusion? Is it the country a skin is based in for registering players, the country their gaming license is from, the country the network is registered in, the country where the servers are, the country where the offending player happened to be at the time etc. Or is all of that irrelevant and the company can just confiscate funds without any independent verification or authority? Do you have to justify such confiscations to the Alderney Gambling Control Commission to their satisfaction as to the merits of it?

If Ciaran could find the time to answer these more general questions I would be very obliged as it's something I haven't looked into before.

For our part, Green Joker Poker is a registered Irish company and since we collect private data, we fall under the DPA. As a result of that (and also of sheer good manners) we would never consider sharing a players details with any other company regardless. We are (as I understand it) prohibited from doing so by the DPA.

This also means things like: I couldnt strip the data from boards.ie of who uses the poker forum and use that for GJP promotional activities. Thats GOOD, I wouldnt like companies to start doing things like that. However it would also stop us from sharing details of cheats with other skins etc.


Hotspur, you really dont want to open that particular can of worms hahahah. I think ultimately the lawyers will have all of our bankrolls...

DeV.

Samoa Joe

hotspur wrote: »

This just got me into quite a large spiral of thinking:
from seeing if the UK Data protection Act applied to the Isle of Man ->
the implications of the Isle of Man being outside the EEA ->
the implications of Alderney being outside the EEA ->
what class of action is collusion? Since it is not unlawful and thus not exempted under the UK Data Protection Act in respect of sharing data what is the legal basis for confiscating funds?

So the question I have is - what is the relationship between breaking a company's terms and conditions and their legal ability to confiscate funds? Which I suppose boils down to just - how come you are legally allowed to confiscate funds in the 1st place? And which legal jurisdiction counts in respect of collusion? Is it the country a skin is based in for registering players, the country their gaming license is from, the country the network is registered in, the country where the servers are, the country where the offending player happened to be at the time etc. Or is all of that irrelevant and the company can just confiscate funds without any independent verification or authority? Do you have to justify such confiscations to the Alderney Gambling Control Commission to their satisfaction as to the merits of it?

If Ciaran could find the time to answer these more general questions I would be very obliged as it's something I haven't looked into before.

I will try my best but it wont be until monday at least.

hotspur

DeVore wrote: »

For our part, Green Joker Poker is a registered Irish company...

Cheers. It's none of my business and I don't understand the precise nature of GJP as an online entity in respect of gaming licence / tax / affiliate relationship with Bluesquare etc. (and I'm not asking), but *if* GJP pays tax from online revenue as a gaming company wouldn't you be better off registering it as a separate company in Isle of Man rather than Ireland.

Ciaran_Corbett wrote: »

I will try my best but it wont be until monday at least.

Thanks, will look forward to it Ciaran.

RoundTower

really good post hotspur

I'm sure Dev knows all the details or he wouldn't start talking about the Data Protection Act, so maybe he'll fill us in.

DeVore

I wondered how long it would take you to turn up.

DeV.