Wexford V Dublin 2008.LSFC.Final

will1977

Well, does anybody give us a chance in the final ?

I for one think Wexford will be up against it but have a great chance of winning it. The movment of the Wexford forwards will cause the Dublin backs a few problems. Wexford seem to have their midfield sorted out after the Meath game so should be a good battle there and the winning of midfield will go a long way to deciding the winners. The one worry I have for Wexford is Wallace at full back. They cannot afford to let him get too isolated against Keaney. Any thoughts ?

Het-Field

A poor full back against the Dublin Forward line could be the difference between the winning and the losing. Give Conal Keaney an inch and he will take a mile.

I think Wexford will be buoyed by their comeback against Meath, and their professional dispatch of Meath. However, whatever Dublin team is on the park will be better than the two aformentioned teams. I think it is important to note that if Dublin amass a lead like meath did, it will be a rout.

My Preferred Dublin Team

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Cluxton

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Henry

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B.Cahill

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Griffin

Casey

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Cullen

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OShaughnes

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Whelan

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Ryan

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T.Quinn

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Sherlock

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B.Brogan

A.Brogan

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Keaney

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Vaughan


Or alternatively, withdraw Keaney to the halfforwards, and place Kevin Bonner in at number 14. Connolly is a straight swop for Bernard Brogan should his injury restrict his season.

Dublin's most fluid period in the midfield was when Shane Ryan and Ciaran Whelan were partners. I would also believe that our forwards looked best when Vaughan and Keaney were tracking box to box.

hunter164

You can't drop Fennell he broke every Westmeath kick out that came his way and nearly caught every Dublin kick out that came his way.Also I'm no fan of Collie Moran but he played well yesterday so he should keep his spot.Connolly was lively when he came on and was always making runs and so he should he starting aswell.

will1977

Collie Moran will be suspended :D

Marse

I'd Imagine B Brogan will still be out. Moran could well face charges for the elbow, this remains to be seen. I though we won more ball in midfield with Whelan and Ryan.

Killme00

Het-Field wrote: »

T.Quinn

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Sherlock

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B.Brogan

A.Brogan

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Keaney

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Vaughan

Oh god!

Brogan needs to play half forward to give him room to manouvre
Sherlock needs to play corner forward.
Keaney is a half forward.
Bernard Brogan wont be fit on time.
Mossy Quinn is a corner forward


Vaughan is so off form its funny and has been since his league form for his club. He shouldnt be anywhere near starting.

blackbelt

I think the forwards will be back having a good day at the office after having to play that mean defense yesterday.I don't hold much chance for Bernard starting as he did hold his hamstring very high which is a bad sign but Dermot Connolly should start in my opinion.Maybe even give McManoman more time to prove his worth.

I think Whelan and Ryan should start.They were very strong yesterday and I just think that its conventional to have them there.Whelan won't last 70 though so the introduction of Fennell is a strong card to play.I just think that we need to come out of the blocks against Wexford and settle.

Agree with Het-fields defense lineup.McConnell got roasted by Glennon yesterday and Wexford boast a superior forward line than Westmeath.However,how fit is Griffin?..we know nothing of what shape he is in after a year out in Australia.If he is back to full fitness,I'd stick him on Mattie Forde straight away.

If the improvement in defense continues such as the second half yesterday and Cullen anchors the back,I think Dublin will win by a few points.3 weeks to prepare,I'm expecting a strong performance on the 20th after yesterdays performance which didn't allow for attractive football due to the blanket defense.

cruiserweight

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Cost Boy!!

Het-Field wrote: »

Give Conal Keaney an inch and he will take a mile.

How about give him a free kick in front of the goal posts and he misses!!

j.griff

how do i go about gettin tickets for this game?

Bluetonic

j.griff wrote: »

how do i go about gettin tickets for this game?

Leinster Senior Football Final
Croke Park (Dublin) 4.00pm Dublin v Wexford
Tickets will go on sale for the Leinster Senior Football final from Monday 7th July at 9.30am.
Tickets will be available from the GAA ticket office on 018658657 (credit card or laser card required)
Tickets will also be available through Ticketmaster and the Leinster Council.

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The Rooster

blackbelt wrote: »

However,how fit is Griffin?..we know nothing of what shape he is in after a year out in Australia.If he is back to full fitness,I'd stick him on Mattie Forde straight away.

Griffin is fit, but has to pay the penalty for feckin off to Australia for a few months. Pillar deems that to be a lack of committment, so there's no way you get straight back in. However, after the 7 defenders who played v Wexford, he's probably next in line. So if Moran gets suspended and McConnell gets dropped, then Griff will be in. But I'd say it'll be Henry marking Forde.

popebenny16

Het-Field wrote: »

Give Conal Keaney an inch and he will take a mile.

Indeed. A mile wide if Sunday is any guide.

hunter164

I don't think Whelan should be starting.Once again Fennell had a very good game.It's blatantly obvious thought Whelan and Fennell can't work together.Anytime Ryan went off with the blood sub,midfield was disrupted and that is where the Westmeath goal came from.

Pride Fighter

Wexford are no Westmeath. Dublin are going to paste Wexford IMO, Dublin by 11 points.

will1977

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Wexford are no Westmeath. Dublin are going to paste Wexford IMO, Dublin by 11 points.

Are u serious ! ?

Pride Fighter

will1977 wrote: »

Are u serious ! ?

Yep, Wexford will try to engage Dublin in an open Football match as it is the only way they can win. It will backfire disastrously though IMO. It is just my opinion, I predicted Dublin would only scrape past Westmeath which they did. I am usually good at these things.

cruiserweight

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Wexford are no Westmeath. Dublin are going to paste Wexford IMO, Dublin by 11 points.

Want to make a bet on that?

Pride Fighter

cruiserweight wrote: »

Want to make a bet on that?

I am intrigued. Tell me more.

cruiserweight

Pride Fighter wrote: »

I am intrigued. Tell me more.

Well you are willing to give me an 11 point handicap, do you want to put your money where your mouth is? A pint, 20 euro, whatever

Pride Fighter

cruiserweight wrote: »

Well you are willing to give me an 11 point handicap, do you want to put your money where your mouth is? A pint, 20 euro, whatever

I am a poor student so 20 euro is out of the question. Maybe some sort of beverage would be more prudent in these economically challenging times. I think Dublin will win by 11 points or so but I dont want to give you an 11 point handicap, how about an 8 point handicap (I want to cover my bases).

cruiserweight

Pride Fighter wrote: »

I am a poor student so 20 euro is out of the question. Maybe some sort of beverage would be more prudent in these economically challenging times. I think Dublin will win by 11 points or so but I dont want to give you an 11 point handicap, how about an 8 point handicap (I want to cover my bases).

Either you are as confident as you claim to be or you are not? So now you think Dublin will win by 8 points or is it 11?

Pride Fighter

cruiserweight wrote: »

Either you are as confident as yuo claim to be or you are not? So now you think Dublin will win by 8 points or is it 11?

I am confident, but anything can happen when a team is cruising 12 points ahead, Wexford could get a jammy goal or something. +8 is still good for you or do you not want to take it as you know the boys are back and sam is coming home, to where it belongs:)

cruiserweight

Pride Fighter wrote: »

I am confident, but anything can happen when a team is cruising 12 points ahead, Wexford could get a jammy goal or something. +8 is still good for you or do you not want to take it as you know the boys are back and sam is coming home, to where it belongs:)

+8 is fine by me, you were the one saying that Dublin would win by 11 points, I guess that that was just hot air. Anyway the Sam Maguire has nothing to do with this bet, we are betting on the Delaney Cup

Het-Field

I recall Dublin scraping by Longford by a point, and hammering Laois in the next game by 3-17 0-12. That was in 2006. A very ordinary performance against Offaly last year, was followed by a scintillating performance in the Leinster Final last July. I was in the States at the time, but I heard the final performance was excellent

Westmeath's blanket defence ensured Brogan didnt get a look in. Most of the time Westmeath had ten or eleven behind the ball, and they dug deep. If Wexford utilise this, then Dublin ahve a game on their hands. Especially given the ability of Matty Forde to take his points when they are available to him. However, if Wexford play open football, then the likes of Alan Brogan could have a field day. If he is allowed run it will set Dublin up with a rake of free taking chances, and if he makes a break or two on goal. I think pride fighter has a point. If Wexford take a leaf out of Westmeath's book then Dublin could have difficulty, but if they play open, then God help them

Pride Fighter

cruiserweight wrote: »

+8 is fine by me, you were the one saying that Dublin would win by 11 points, I guess that that was just hot air. Anyway the Sam Maguire has nothing to do with this bet, we are betting on the Delaney Cup

I know, but this is another step on the road to Sam. I'd like a tough game to bring us on a bit but with this Wexford team I dont see it. +8 it is, for a glass of the finest porter known to humanity:)

Pride Fighter

Het-Field wrote: »

I recall Dublin scraping by Longford by a point, and hammering Laois in the next game by 3-17 0-12. That was in 2006. A very ordinary performance against Offaly last year, was followed by a scintillating performance in the Leinster Final last July. I was in the States at the time, but I heard the final performance was excellent

Westmeath's blanket defence ensured Brogan didnt get a look in. Most of the time Westmeath had ten or eleven behind the ball, and they dug deep. If Wexford utilise this, then Dublin ahve a game on their hands. Especially given the ability of Matty Forde to take his points when they are available to him. However, if Wexford play open football, then the likes of Alan Brogan could have a field day. If he is allowed run it will set Dublin up with a rake of free taking chances, and if he makes a break or two on goal. I think pride fighter has a point. If Wexford take a leaf out of Westmeath's book then Dublin could have difficulty, but if they play open, then God help them

My thinking exactly. However Wexford now have 2 or 3 other forwards as good as Mattie Forde and as a result will want to try and give the ball to them. As a result they will want to try an play an open game of football which is good news for Dublin IMO. Also if Dublin can keep the likes of Dolan and Glennon to 3 points in the second half they can do a similar defensive job.

cruiserweight

Pride Fighter wrote: »

My thinking exactly. However Wexford now have 2 or 3 other forwards as good as Mattie Forde and as a result will want to try and give the ball to them. As a result they will want to try an play an open game of football which is good news for Dublin IMO. Also if Dublin can keep the likes of Dolan and Glennon to 3 points in the second half they can do a similar defensive job.

Wexford have a number of quality forwards with strength in the forward divison on the bench.

I don't expect Wexford to play a blanket defence, it does not make sense and is completely different from the way that they have been playing. The key to this game will be the middle third of the pitch. I would not be suprised to see Wexford play a three man midfield, like they did against Laois, this should ensure parity there.

Het-Field

cruiserweight wrote: »

Wexford have a number of quality forwards with strength in the forward divison on the bench.

I don't expect Wexford to play a blanket defence, it does not make sense and is completely different from the way that they have been playing. The key to this game will be the middle third of the pitch. I would not be suprised to see Wexford play a three man midfield, like they did against Laois, this should ensure parity there.

In spite of the Westmeath game, Dublin's forwards usually take 15-18 scores per championship games. Any side which scores 18 against Derry, 16 against Kerry, 3-12 against Laois, and 16 against Laois is up to something. In fact 0-13 was not a bad return against a blanket Northern Style defence. Especially, on the off chance that Bernard Brogan returns for the 19th July, Dublin can field 6 quality forwards, and two of Ireland's top midfielders.

I think an open game will be very much to Dublin's advantage. It would allow Whelan make the running, and would free up Brogan, and Keaney to reek havoc, while Sherlock's intelligence would set up multiple scoring chances. If Vaughan is back on form and taking the frees, then I could see Dublin hitting a complacent Wexford

cruiserweight

Het-Field wrote: »

I think an open game will be very much to Dublin's advantage. It would allow Whelan make the running, and would free up Brogan, and Keaney to reek havoc, while Sherlock's intelligence would set up multiple scoring chances. If Vaughan is back on form and taking the frees,

I still don't buy into this idea that an open game would be to Dublins advantage. You could take what you have written above and replace the Dublin players names with Wexford players names and come up with the same arguement, Bradley for Whelan, Forde and Lyng for Brogan and Keaney, and Barry for Sherlock. Most of the posters on this forum will have seen plenty of Dublin, I wonder how many have seen as many Wexford games.

Het-Field wrote: »

then I could see Dublin hitting a complacent Wexford

Complacent why on earth would Wexford be complacent

Cost Boy!!

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Wexford are no Westmeath.

Don't make me laugh. Dublin are sh*te this year get over it.

Het-Field

cruiserweight wrote: »

I still don't buy into this idea that an open game would be to Dublins advantage. You could take what you have written above and replace the Dublin players names with Wexford players names and come up with the same arguement, Bradley for Whelan, Forde and Lyng for Brogan and Keaney, and Barry for Sherlock. Most of the posters on this forum will have seen plenty of Dublin, I wonder how many have seen as many Wexford games.



Complacent why on earth would Wexford be complacent

Complacency as a result of two good performances against former giants of Leinster.

Whelan is one of the most competent mids in the country. Give him space in an open game is asking for trouble. Bradly is good, but is no Whelan.

Second only to Donaghy MFR and the Gooch are the Dubs full forward line. An off day against Westmeath cannot mask the fact that open football suits them.

I was there when Wexford played Meath. They should have gone that day. Cudos to them for their Andy Murray style comeback, however, Meath exposed some great weaknesses. Dublin's full back line may be weak, but their is something else. I also watched the game against a faded Laois team. They are decent, I dont deny that. However, just because Dublin had one poor game doesnt mask the fact that they enjoy and thrive in open conditions. If Dublin are on fire, in open conditions Wexford will struggle.

Het-Field

Cost Boy!! wrote: »

Don't make me laugh. Dublin are sh*te this year get over it.

On what basis ?

Waylander

Het-Field wrote: »

On what basis ?

On the basis that he does not like them! Surely you are not expecting him to offer up some solid logic or reasoning to establish his point?

Cost Boy!!

What player gets a free in front of the goal posts and misses.
Ciaran Whelan being taken on and off supposibly as a 'blood substituate' yeah right the fact that he can hardly run the lenght of himself might of had something to do with it.
Jason sherlock touches the ball three times during the whole game suddenly he gets a point in the second half and he's a hero.
What was mark vaughan put on for just to advertise the products he uses in his hair?!
The only reason I can think they put paul casey on in the second half was to give a few frees to westmeath and give them some more space.
Collie moran was obviously just there to injure people.
Mossy quinn was just there to maybe knock over the odd free.
Stephen Cluxton must plan in his head before every game to act a dickhe*d in goal.

Het-Field

Waylander wrote: »

On the basis that he does not like them! Surely you are not expecting him to offer up some solid logic or reasoning to establish his point?

You were right !

Cost Boy!!

My point proven.

Waylander

Which point is that CB?

Pretty much all those players mentioned are challenging for their 4th Leinster winners medals in 4 years.

Cost Boy!!

And? Don't give this crap about experience or anything like that. We've seen the same dublin team for the last four years. Lets face it dublin should of taken their chances last year. They have some good players but they need a new manager.

Breezer

Cost Boy!! wrote: »

And? Don't give this crap about experience or anything like that. We've seen the same dublin team for the last four years. Lets face it dublin should of taken their chances last year. They have some good players but they need a new manager.

Pillar Caffrey has won 3 Leinster titles out of three. He's brought Dublin to a fourth Leinster final. He has reached an All Ireland quarter final, which was taken to a replay, and two All Ireland semi-finals. Twice in 3 years Dublin have only been beaten by the team that went on to claim Sam Maguire. On what basis do they need a new manager?

What has any Wexford manager achieved in that time? Wexford may well win Leinster this year. They may win the All Ireland. I doubt they will, but they may. But until they win something, kindly stop telling us how great Wexford are and how awful Dublin are. When Dubs fans do this all hell breaks loose.

Dublin had a decisive win over a Louth and a shaky win over Westmeath. Who knows what they'll go on to do? Kerry didn't look up to much in their early games last year either, but come September nobody cared about that anymore.

jakk

What about Connolly being given a start.Did alright against WM and in his previous game in that lge match with Meath he destroyed Fay (fair enough his best days are probably gone).Connolly seems to me the kind of player who would only get better if he got a run in the team.Apparently,all the Dublin backs hate having to mark him in training.

Cost Boy!!

Breezer wrote: »

P On what basis do they need a new manager?

On the basis that he can't manage to bring dublin to an All-Ireland.

And btw I wasn't once going on about how great wexford are, they are better than recent years but still have alot of work to do in my opinion. I was KINDLY just giving my opinion of dublins performances this year.

Waylander

Cost Boy!! wrote: »

On the basis that he can't manage to bring dublin to an All-Ireland.

And btw I wasn't once going on about how great wexford are, they are better than recent years but still have alot of work to do in my opinion. I was KINDLY just giving my opinion of dublins performances this year.

Well you have only shown how ill informed and bitter your opinion is with your posts CB. Last year they lost an All Ireland semi final to Kerry. What chances did they not take?

Badabing

Waylander wrote: »

Well you have only shown how ill informed and bitter your opinion is with your posts CB. Last year they lost an All Ireland semi final to Kerry. What chances did they not take?

One name Ray Cosgrave:mad:

premierstone

Het-Field wrote: »

Complacency as a result of two good performances against former giants of Leinster.

When to f*ck were laois ''giants'' of Leinster, jesus its hard to type when im on the ground laughin

Cost Boy!!

Cost Boy!! wrote: »

What player gets a free in front of the goal posts and misses.

Dessie Dolan, Gooch Cooper, Owen Mulligan, eh...almost every forward in Ireland at some stage of his career.

Cost Boy!! wrote: »

Ciaran Whelan being taken on and off supposibly as a 'blood substituate' yeah right the fact that he can hardly run the lenght of himself might of had something to do with it.

Absolutely, Dublin actually had an agreement with Westmeath to break Shane Ryan's nose to facilitate the tactic. Seen through the Dublin genius there Cost Boy, darn you.

Cost Boy!! wrote: »

Jason sherlock touches the ball three times during the whole game suddenly he gets a point in the second half and he's a hero.

The cheek of him, making the best of scant service because Westmeath dropped a half-forward into midfield to help with the blanket defence. I mean the barefaced cheek of that All-Ireland winning scum...

Cost Boy!! wrote: »

What was mark vaughan put on for just to advertise the products he uses in his hair?!

Yeah, though the new slogan is "Give an out of form forward an opportunity to get some gametime to boost his confidence: Use Brylcreem"

Cost Boy!! wrote: »

The only reason I can think they put paul casey on in the second half was to give a few frees to westmeath and give them some more space.

Nail...on...head. The Westmeath full forward line had claustrophobia in Croker and sure after the Westmeath lads helping us break Shane's nose sure how could we not oblige?

Cost Boy!! wrote: »

Collie moran was obviously just there to injure people.

We considered loaning him to Westmeath to sort Ryan out but there was no need in the end.

Cost Boy!! wrote: »

Mossy quinn was just there to maybe knock over the odd free.

All-Ireland Club Champion. No need for sarcasm here. The man was immense all year. If he puts in the first ultra-difficult but brilliantly worked goal chance he is the hero. He is there to try and score goals first and foremost. Bad day at the office, roll on Wexford.

Cost Boy!! wrote: »

Stephen Cluxton must plan in his head before every game to act a dickhe*d in goal.

It's not every game, it's roughly 1 in 7 and otherwise I almost agree with this.

Cost Boy!!

Round of applause for what has to be the worst arguement of the century em yeah so impressed!! Oh please get over yourself.

johnnyrotten123

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Yep, Wexford will try to engage Dublin in an open Football match as it is the only way they can win. It will backfire disastrously though IMO. It is just my opinion, I predicted Dublin would only scrape past Westmeath which they did. I am usually good at these things.

Really? If you do say so yourself!! You said 11 points initially, so we will see soon enough if you 'are usually good at these things'!

Pride Fighter

johnnyrotten123 wrote: »

Really? If you do say so yourself!! You said 11 points initially, so we will see soon enough if you 'are usually good at these things'!

I am still saying 11 points but for the sake of a bet I am giving Cruiserweight odds of +8, nothing wrong with that.

cruiserweight

johnnyrotten123 wrote: »

Really? If you do say so yourself!! You said 11 points initially, so we will see soon enough if you 'are usually good at these things'!

Pride Fighter wrote: »

I am still saying 11 points but for the sake of a bet I am giving Cruiserweight odds of +8, nothing wrong with that.

At +8 I am more than safe As for usually being right all I can go on is your pools performance so I am definitely safe I would have quite happily bet with no handicap but you were the one saying Dublin would win by 11

Pride Fighter

cruiserweight wrote: »

At +8 I am more than safe As for usually being right all I can go on is your pools performance so I am definitely safe I would have quite happily bet with no handicap but you were the one saying Dublin would win by 11

Hitting me were it hurts with my pools performance, thats mean. Its not my fault my underdogs lost narrowly and the ones who I thought would stroll to finals were beaten by underdogs.
Either way Dublin are going to show Wexford that the top Dogs in Leinster are wayy ahead of them.