what the hell can i do with...

saaaaakkkkeee

a pass arts degree?

IrishKnight

TBH, not a whole lot! Unless you want to become a teacher or something. Maybe do a MA...

tribulus

Go traveling....

Pass degree in nearly anything isn't much use I'd say.

Pride Fighter

Do an MA in one of those crappy colleges like Milltown or Griffith college. They will be wowed with the fact you went to a proper institution.

Économiste Monétaire

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Do an MA in one of those crappy colleges like Milltown or Griffith college. They will be wowed with the fact you went to a proper institution.

Haha, that nearly made me spit my tea out. Quality.

Riamfada

Get a job here

Noodledoodle

Depends very much on your subjects ... loads of UK colleges offer Post Grad courses with minimum entry reqs of Degree ... no specification.

You could consider the bank and the like if you really want to work straight off!!
good luck with whatever you do .... would give the Superquinn idea a miss ... no offence to anyone working there!!

tribulus

*Shudders at the memory of working in Superquinn*

inarut

Would go for the bank and work you way up from there or any kind of work experience you can find in offices and the like. Depending on what you want to do, you could either return to further education as a mature student or do some kind of post-graduate course outside the main universities in this country where you'd probably get accepted regardless of your degree grade.
Give yourself time and don't make any rash decisions. Did a BA (Hons) here myself but know some who have both pass and honours degrees that are still "finding themselves" 5 years on. Good luck!

fish-head

I've always liked the smell of Superquinn.

Tan Princess

saaaaakkkkeee wrote: »

a pass arts degree?

Alot of depts offer higher diplomas which is essentially repeating final year. You could do that? Or you could go for blackhall place they accept pass degrees or you could go for the bank?

Dave!

Why so many people suggesting the bank? Is that a common career path for arts graduates?

Stabshauptmann

Dave! wrote: »

Why so many people suggesting the bank? Is that a common career path for arts graduates?

Me thinks it sounds a bit better that office work / clerical work. I sincerely doubt you will get any of the good banking jobs with a pass arts degree. Perhaps its like the student who does 6 ordinary level subjects for the leaving cert but says they got "all honours" if they got over a D...

nomorebadtown

as someone who has a parent with some 30+ years of work in a bank behind them i can tell you to avoid bank work like the plague. it is soul destroying thankless mind melting work. banks are squeezing more and more work hours and productivity out of fewer and fewer staff. OP, your options are a) further education or b) employment...your young, time on your side, relax and look at your many options, think outside the box...on my travels i met a couple of people whose life choice was to work crappy mundane jobs for 6/8 months of the year saving like crazy all the while and then would fukc off to all the exotic corners of the world (where their savings would go a whole lot further than at home) and live it up and have a great time...these guys saw the world, met every kind of weird and wonderful people and, in my eyes, actually lived life...i know thats not the most longterm game plan but at least it gives you the chance to really think about what you want from your one and only life and it beats the hell out of a barely living existance of the 9 to 5 with deadlines and 2 hour comutes in your suit and tie. YOU ARE NOT YOUR DEGREE. go get em tiger:cool:

Stabshauptmann

Different strokes for different folks, but again, "bank jobs" come in very different shapes and sizes

Het-Field

Kaptain Redeye wrote: »

Different strokes for different folks, but again, "bank jobs" come in very different shapes and sizes

Its kinda like the Civil Service. Hit the high notes, and you can be on a top salary,rubbing shoulders with Ministers, and working at the coleface of policy development. Otherwise, you could get one promotion, and spend 40 years in the same department.

However, it has been mentioned that a pass degree in anything is not worth much. Success in the early stages of the Legal or Commercial professions are predicated on good degrees. Top companies would be more likely to take on a 1st class honour student from Rathmines IT (no disrespect intended), than a Pass UCD Graduate in Commerce or Law.

I hate to say this, but back in my day (June-December 2006) Pass Degrees were not given a conferrel with their class, and were sent their Degree in the mail. There was a furore about that back in the day, so I would encourage you to check that out asap

Het-Field

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Do an MA in one of those crappy colleges like Milltown or Griffith college. They will be wowed with the fact you went to a proper institution.

Having studied in UCD and DIT (Postgrad), I can vouch for it that UCD us not a proper institution. Its a ****in mess. If DIT is given University Status in the coming years, UCD is likely to become the 3rd University of Ireland

Stabshauptmann

Het-Field wrote: »

Having studied in UCD and DIT (Postgrad), I can vouch for it that UCD us not a proper institution. Its a ****in mess. If DIT is given University Status in the coming years, UCD is likely to become the 3rd University of Ireland

Im sure the standards vary by school/college within UCD

gubbie

Dave! wrote: »

Why so many people suggesting the bank? Is that a common career path for arts graduates?

Or maybe because you don't need a degree to go work in a bank, which is as good as 3 years in college getting a pass arts degree will get you

Mind you I know someone with a pass engineering degree and they went right into a job. If you have many extra curricular activities, strong club or society involvement or good previous experience then you could end up with a pretty good job

Or you could go and do an apprenticeship

Het-Field wrote: »

Having studied in UCD and DIT (Postgrad), I can vouch for it that UCD us not a proper institution. Its a ****in mess. If DIT is given University Status in the coming years, UCD is likely to become the 3rd University of Ireland

Aren't we the third anyway? The recent results on best colleges says both Trinity and UCC are better then us

pretty*monster

Swallow your pride, get in on the ground floor in an entry level position anywhere and gain some good experience. Get on the promotion ladder basically, you're not going to start as high up an a given company as you might have liked to but with a bit of hard work you should be able to get where you want to go.

Het-Field

gubbie wrote: »

Or maybe because you don't need a degree to go work in a bank, which is as good as 3 years in college getting a pass arts degree will get you

Mind you I know someone with a pass engineering degree and they went right into a job. If you have many extra curricular activities, strong club or society involvement or good previous experience then you could end up with a pretty good job

Or you could go and do an apprenticeship



Aren't we the third anyway? The recent results on best colleges says both Trinity and UCC are better then us

Ok 4th Best, and it would be lucky at that! To stop this, Brady needs to accept coporate sponsorship, and continue his attempts to place business structures in the college. Feck what the academics think.

In fairness Gubbs engineering is a very specialised subject, and there are only a certain number of graduates. Arts are ten a penny. However, the top arts students, and there are many of them do very well once the leave college. Three of the most influential people in the Legal profession, , Michael McDowell, and Adrian Hardiman are graduates of the arts in UCD. This equally applies to a wide range of professions. This need not turn into a discussion regarding the ability of Arts students. But I feel I must clear it up !

Gurgle

saaaaakkkkeee wrote: »

a pass arts degree?

Pretty much the same as with any other purely academic qualification.

What were you thinking of doing when you ticked 'BA' on the CAO form in the first place?

Or was it just a time filler while you thought about what you would like to do?

saaaaakkkkeee

whats up guys! cheers for the suggests

got over 500 in the leaving and chose arts, believe it or not..messed around, loads of girls, which was great for awhile, but did the hardest subjects nd zero work, crammed last minute, tonnes of different retail jobs,( hate them all)

etc, etc, went out on lash 8 days a week basically

anywayz now im dead. theres no way im sticking to these crap jobs and living at home with 0 cashflow so suicide is only option.

ps, regarding work in BANK=are you f*king kidding me? how about i rob the place. I actually went into one today and had to Queue for bout an hour while they dealt with an absolute conveyer belt of sh*te from people like me and when i actually got to the counter i decided not to do any banking just to give the chick a break.

Économiste Monétaire

You got 500 points in the leaving cert? Highly dubious. Also, which subjects did you take? Just out of curiosity.

saaaaakkkkeee

515. i dont have any reason to lie. im not trying to impress anyone. i just didnt work at all. cant tell you my subjects gotta protect my identity. its like batman.

Noodledoodle

If you got 500pts ... entirely possible ... you should get your ass in gear & go for post grad .... do something with what you got!!!

Économiste Monétaire

Well the main reason I was asking what subjects you took was to see if they have an M.A. qualifier year. You could take that, put some effort in, refrain from being 'on the lash' for a few months and then apply for an M.A.

Raphael

saaaaakkkkeee wrote: »

whats up guys! cheers for the suggests

got over 500 in the leaving and chose arts, believe it or not..messed around, loads of girls, which was great for awhile, but did the hardest subjects nd zero work, crammed last minute, tonnes of different retail jobs,( hate them all)

etc, etc, went out on lash 8 days a week basically

anywayz now im dead. theres no way im sticking to these crap jobs and living at home with 0 cashflow so suicide is only option.

ps, regarding work in BANK=are you f*king kidding me? how about i rob the place. I actually went into one today and had to Queue for bout an hour while they dealt with an absolute conveyer belt of sh*te from people like me and when i actually got to the counter i decided not to do any banking just to give the chick a break.

Ain't Karma a bitch...

TiGeR KiNgS

saaaaakkkkeee wrote: »

a pass arts degree?

ewwwwww, thats a ****ty degree. I got a 2.1 in Arts this year and consider that a piece of poo. I cant imagine the life that will unfold for you in ten years time , My advice is to jump ship while you have some self respect, before your family and friends uncover the truth, at least they will mourn you without the knowledege that you got such a disgusting degree.
You may think i'm being harsh but fact is employers will have to waste there time scanning over your pointless CV and find a pass degree in Arts to which they will respond:
'FFS, I'd be better off picking that other guy who never went to college at least he might have some potentential'
I wish you the best of luck in what ever you do choose to do.

BTW, The lottery is 5 mill this week.
Get a scratch card too.

Stabshauptmann

saaaaakkkkeee wrote: »

whats up guys! cheers for the suggests

got over 500 in the leaving and chose arts, believe it or not..messed around, loads of girls, which was great for awhile, but did the hardest subjects nd zero work, crammed last minute, tonnes of different retail jobs,( hate them all)

etc, etc, went out on lash 8 days a week basically

anywayz now im dead. theres no way im sticking to these crap jobs and living at home with 0 cashflow so suicide is only option.

ps, regarding work in BANK=are you f*king kidding me? how about i rob the place. I actually went into one today and had to Queue for bout an hour while they dealt with an absolute conveyer belt of sh*te from people like me and when i actually got to the counter i decided not to do any banking just to give the chick a break.

So did I, in fact I ran a society that had no purpose other than drink in my final year, but guess what: good degree and a good job. Give the excuses a rest, if you got a pass arts degree you're just stupid

stereoroid

Kaptain Redeye wrote: »

So did I, in fact I ran a society that had no purpose other than drink in my final year, but guess what: good degree and a good job. Give the excuses a rest, if you got a pass arts degree you're just stupid

Are you on crack? The original poster is clearly upset, talking about suicide, and your response is to call him stupid? What planet did you come from, and when are you going back? :mad:

I think other posters are talking about careers in the financial world because they seem to be the employers who want "a degree - any degree" from all applicants, regardless of what that degree is in. That's not just retail banking, by the way, it's also relevant to other financial services such as insurance and investment banking. Why not pick out a few names in the IFSC and ask about their Management tracks?

To the rest of you: go ahead, think what you want, but why dump on a guy who came here asking for help? Can't you imagine yourself in the same position? Try developing those "soft skills" that employers seem to want these days. :rolleyes:

Gurgle

saaaaakkkkeee wrote: »

anywayz now im dead. theres no way im sticking to these crap jobs and living at home with 0 cashflow so suicide is only option.

Haven't you ever actually thought about what you were to do for 5 days a week over the next few decades?

pretty*monster

saaaaakkkkeee wrote: »

anywayz now im dead. theres no way im sticking to these crap jobs and living at home with 0 cashflow so suicide is only option.

ps, regarding work in BANK=are you f*king kidding me? how about i rob the place. I actually went into one today and had to Queue for bout an hour while they dealt with an absolute conveyer belt of sh*te from people like me and when i actually got to the counter i decided not to do any banking just to give the chick a break.

Wow... take a deep breath and try to remember that you're an adult.
there are plenty of jobs that you could get that will earn you more than '0 cashflow' but to be honest turning your noes up at a job in the bank is making me lose sympathy with you.

What did you think you were getting into when you started your degree? I have much better results than you but it's not as if I'm waltzing into my dream job because it's an arts degree, but I'm not complaining because I knew that it would be like that when I started.

Stabshauptmann

stereoroid wrote: »

Are you on crack? The original poster is clearly upset, talking about suicide, and your response is to call him stupid? What planet did you come from, and when are you going back? :mad:

Actually the posts dont seem to me that hes that upset and I definetly dont think the suicide comment was meant to be serious.

I think other posters are talking about careers in the financial world because they seem to be the employers who want "a degree - any degree" from all applicants, regardless of what that degree is in.

lol.
Good jobs in FS are the most sought after and competitive.

That's not just retail banking, by the way, it's also relevant to other financial services such as insurance and investment banking. Why not pick out a few names in the IFSC and ask about their Management tracks?

Yup, every type of company needs support staff, secretaries, filing clerks, receptionists, but dont kid yourself if you think you're going to be starting on 50k

To the rest of you: go ahead, think what you want, but why dump on a guy who came here asking for help? Can't you imagine yourself in the same position? Try developing those "soft skills" that employers seem to want these days. :rolleyes:

Nothing about this poster makes me think hes looking for help or advice. It reads like a big joke tbh

Stabshauptmann

Id also like to point out the OP has 2 other identical threads in other fora.

Het-Field

Kaptain Redeye wrote: »

So did I, in fact I ran a society that had no purpose other than drink in my final year, but guess what: good degree and a good job. Give the excuses a rest, if you got a pass arts degree you're just stupid

Again with the making examples of pass arts degrees. In fairness a pass degree in anything is useless, and no state funded college is likely to take you on for a postgrad. I know of people with pass law degrees who have had to work very hard to get anywhere.

Are you an arts student Kaptain ?

gubbie

Aren't the banks not hiring though at the moment with the proposed change of the economy. Having such a poor degree is not gonna help you get places when a good chunk of the country have 3rd level degrees. And good ones.

If you don't like the bank, you could always go into a trade

Stepherunie

There's teh civil service.

YOu don't even need a LC to go in as a clerical officer.

the requirements for executive officer are the following:

[QUOTE}At present, requirements for this position are such that applicants must:

(i) have obtained a recognised degree; or
(ii) have achieved a satisfactory standard in the Leaving Certificate or an examination of an equivalent standard, in Mathematics and Irish and/or English and any of the following:

a pass in the first year examination of a course leading to a recognised degree or
a certificate or other qualification obtained following a course of at least two years full time duration recognised by the National Council for Educational Awards [/QUOTE]


So there's at least one good thing you can do.

If you got good points you've obviously got brains so you can make up for not doing much all along.

Het-Field

It may be best just to bite the bullet and apply for MA's/MLitts of whatever in private colleges. I realise that it is not a preferred option, however, it can cgive you a chance to rectify the disapointing degree mark. You have achieved a very decent leaving cert, I think that would indicate that you have ability, thus if you work hard enough you will have no trouble. I think this business of telling the op to move into a trade or the bank is shortsighted. I would encourage you to get further education which will stand to you.

Stabshauptmann

Het-Field wrote: »

Again with the making examples of pass arts degrees. In fairness a pass degree in anything is useless, and no state funded college is likely to take you on for a postgrad. I know of people with pass law degrees who have had to work very hard to get anywhere.

Are you an arts student Kaptain ?

If its not clear from that post, I'm no longer an undergrad.

I always wanted to do arts though and when I was in 2nd year I had the mad idea that I'd do a BA after I graduated (I had many ideas about how I was going to stay in college) and did English and History with a friend of mine for a semester - went to all the lectures/tutorials, did the readings etc.
Decided it wasnt for me - I didnt feel I was gaining anything.

My brother in law who studied some of his post grad in UCD and taught there said he thinks it has the lowest standard of any uni hes been in, and hes been in 3 in Ireland and others abroad.

Edit: If I was to do a BA, I think Id do it in TCD (for english) or UCG (for history) but I dont plan on doing either. I'll be in education for another 5 years and I think by then I'll have taken my fill.

Pythia

Banks aren't all bad! It's not all counter work in a branch. Bank head offices are totally different for a start.