Boxers you dont rate? and Why?

cowzerp

Boxers you dont rate, or think are over rated..and why?

Mine is Joe Calzaghe as most people on here know!

My reasons are,
1, He's a slapper with poor technique,as a boxer and coach this bugs me!
2, His power is average at best, probably below average
3, His record is padded with lots of no hopers
4, He's a trash talker, thats it for now!

T-K-O

cowzerp wrote: »

Boxers you dont rate, or think are over rated..and why?

Mine is Joe Calzaghe as most people on here know!

My reasons are,
1, He's a slapper with poor technique,as a boxer and coach this bugs me!
2, His power is average at best, probably below average
3, His record is padded with lots of no hopers
4, He's a trash talker, thats it for now!

1. Poor technique, Ask Jeff Lacy about it. Calzaghe ended his career.
2. He most certainly does not have explosive KO power but below average is unfair. He busted Kessler up pretty bad.
3. His record is questionable but then again a lot of champions records can be picked at.
4. That is a total fabrication. All fighters like to talk but I would never put Joe in the trash talker bucket.

cowzerp

T-K-O wrote: »

1. Poor technique, Ask Jeff Lacy about it. Calzaghe ended his career..

Whats that got to do with technique? and Lacy?big deal!

T-K-O wrote: »

4. That is a total fabrication. All fighters like to talk but I would never put Joe in the trash talker bucket.

Thats funny because he admitted on jonathan ross the other night that he does a lot of trash talking, he said he does less now than before.

T-K-O

cowzerp wrote: »

Whats that got to do with technique? and Lacy?big deal!



Thats funny because he admitted on jonathan ross the other night that he does a lot of trash talking, he said he does less now than before.

Joe took him to school for 12 rounds. Not even the biggest haters can deny that.

As for Jonathan Ross - AS I said all fighter trash talk it's part of build up. In boxing circles we know the real thrash talkers.

For example Mayorga, Floyd , B-Hop with his I'll never let a white boy beat me comment.

yomchi

Klitchko,
Only his size and strength have him where he is, he couldn't box eggs.

T-K-O

Jon wrote: »

Klitchko,
Only his size and strength have him where he is, he couldn't box eggs.

He's to chicken **** to fight. The whole HW division is a joke.

The Artist

cowzerp wrote: »

Boxers you dont rate, or think are over rated..and why?

Mine is Joe Calzaghe as most people on here know!

My reasons are,
1, He's a slapper with poor technique,as a boxer and coach this bugs me!
2, His power is average at best, probably below average
3, His record is padded with lots of no hopers
4, He's a trash talker, thats it for now!

Oh yes i agree with your post as there has been loads of issues about his slapping.

Jon wrote: »

Klitchko,
Only his size and strength have him where he is, he couldn't box eggs.

lol
even couldnt crack them!

T-K-O

Alan Ford wrote: »

Oh yes i agree with your post as there has been loads of issues about his slapping.


lol
even couldnt crack them!

Hardly a reason not to rate him.

cowzerp

T-K-O wrote: »

Hardly a reason not to rate him.

Its called boxing, not slapping.

slapping is illegal in the sport of boxing!

And who said he's not to be rated? just not over rated

T-K-O

cowzerp wrote: »

Its called boxing, not slapping.

slapping is illegal in the sport of boxing!

And who said he's not to be rated? just not over rated

The slapping argument is weak.

Joe is clearly the best super middle weight bar none. That is not over rating its just a plane and simple fact.

And after watching recent fights at light heavy I would back Joe to beat the like of Dawson, Jones [ prime jones would be a different story] Tarver etc.

cowzerp

T-K-O wrote: »

The slapping argument is weak.

Joe is clearly the best super middle weight bar none. That is not over rating its just a plane and simple fact..

Your argument that its weak is not even an argument or even a defense.

the super middle weight division is pathetic anyway, i obviously expect higher standards from boxers than you do, end of.

Hero Of College

Jon wrote: »

Klitchko,
Only his size and strength have him where he is, he couldn't box eggs.

Yeah, the old tired Maxboxing refrain...."if Vitaly wasn't 6 foot Eight they'd be beating him easy"

Well maybe if Ali was a thalidomide baby he wouldn't win a thing either. Maybe if Floyd was only 5' he would be down at Straweight drawing flies.

KLitschko is a supreme athlete, supreme man, supreme all round. His Olympic credentials prove that he can box, and his right hand proves he can punch. Yeah, sure, maybe if he was 5'10" and skinny he would lose more often.

Hero Of College

cowzerp wrote: »

Your argument that its weak is not even an argument or even a defense.

the super middle weight division is pathetic anyway, i obviously expect higher standards from boxers than you do, end of.

Piss off troll.

I agree, 168 has gone down a bit since Joe moved to 175:D

Hero Of College

cowzerp wrote: »

i obviously expect higher standards from boxers than you do, end of.

Yeah...these are high standards all right....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKAMDcMYhvw

T-K-O

cowzerp wrote: »

Your argument that its weak is not even an argument or even a defense.

the super middle weight division is pathetic anyway, i obviously expect higher standards from boxers than you do, end of.

The guy was champion for over 10 years he may appear to slap but I don't accept that, it's just the way he throws his shots. He showed great skill and technique against Lacy and Kessler.

And the super middle weight division is not that bad. Regardless Joe dominated the division. And as I said I would pick Joe over any light heavy.

Joe is a legitimate top l4l in anyone 's book.

Name a current fight that has achieved that status.

joker77

If this thread was started purely to have a war of words about Calzaghe and Dunne, then fine, but please leave it in this thread.

I'm getting a bit sick of every other thread over the last while turning into "Calzaghe is sh*te", "no, Dunne is sh*te".

Brad Goodman

cowzerp... do you just start threads for the sole purpose of ragging on calzaghe?.. i mean you seem to have a serious problem with guy... his ears must be constantly burning!.. does he owe you money or sleep with your missus?.. your fixation is unhealthy!

nacho libre

I don't rate Bernard Dunne...

:pac:

Amir Khan will be on the seat of his shorts once he picks on someone his own side who can bang:D

eagle eye

Mine is Joe Calzaghe as most people on here know!

cowzerp wrote: »

My reasons are,
1, He's a slapper with poor technique,as a boxer and coach this bugs me!

What rubbish, and you must be a bad coach.

cowzerp wrote: »

2, His power is average at best, probably below average

More trash.

cowzerp wrote: »

3, His record is padded with lots of no hopers

Who's record has not got loads of these?

cowzerp wrote: »

4, He's a trash talker, thats it for now!

You're a trash talker end of/

eagle eye

I don't rate any of the heavyweight champions. The standard is worse than its ever been. When John Ruiz was a heavyweight champion I thought it could never get any worse, I was sooooo wrong.

The person in Boxing I don't rate more and despise more than anyone else is Max Kellerman. How he got a job as a boxing analyst is beyond. To have him replace the great Larry Merchant is just 'blasphemous' for want of a better word.

walshb

eagle eye wrote: »

Mine is Joe Calzaghe as most people on here know!


What rubbish, and you must be a bad coach.

More trash.

Who's record has not got loads of these?


You're a trash talker end of/

Cal is quite possibly the most unorthodox and technically inept fighter that ever became world champion. He does indeed slap and his power is also very very very poor. He wouldn't KO a freakin welterweight....

C'mon, anyone saying Cal doesn't slap has either never seen him fight or doesn't know the first thing about boxing or punching...

walshb

A figher I believe I overrated was Hatton and his last two fights proved this.
He was almost KO'd by Lazcano ang V PBF, he had nothing to offer and seemed to fold so so easily. It is a fact that PBF didn't even lay a beating on him; the fight for the most part was a bore fest; with neither looking great; PBF opens up a little and Hatton was done for...He is IMO too one dimensional and can not throw an effective straight punch.
Hatton inside is good, but against an accurate tough fighter, he will be exposed.

eagle eye

walshb wrote: »

Cal is quite possibly the most unorthodox and technically inept fighter that ever became world champion. He does indeed slap and his power is also very very very poor. He wouldn't KO a freakin welterweight....

C'mon, anyone saying Cal doesn't slap has either never seen him fight or doesn't know the first thing about boxing or punching...

Jeff Lacy has one defeat to date. He was the new big thing until he stepped in the ring with Joe Calzaghe. He was completely outclassed in every department. He stopped Omar Sheika for the first time in his career. He stopped Byron Mitchell for the first time in his career. He also stopped Peter Manfredo jnr for the first time and only time in his career to date.
45 fights with 32 ko's and still undefeated.

walshb

eagle eye wrote: »

Jeff Lacy has one defeat to date. He was the new big thing until he stepped in the ring with Joe Calzaghe. He was completely outclassed in every department. He stopped Omar Sheika for the first time in his career. He stopped Byron Mitchell for the first time in his career. He also stopped Peter Manfredo jnr for the first time and only time in his career to date.
45 fights with 32 ko's and still undefeated.

Jeff Lacy?

C'mon, don't make me laugh

Okay, you got me, Cal doesn't slap and Cal hits hard, strange I know; but appears
to be true

Mikel

eagle eye wrote: »

He also stopped Peter Manfredo jnr for the first time and only time in his career to date

by hitting him 20 - 30 times with little bitch slaps and still couldn't knock him over

Blisterman

Calvin Kleins.
Because the elastic wears out after 20-30 wears, and they develop holes in the crotch.

walshb

Blisterman wrote: »

Calvin Kleins.
Because the elastic wears out after 20-30 wears, and they develop holes in the crotch.

I almost read years instead of wears and was thinking, who the f""" gets 30 yrs from a pair
of boxers:D

cowzerp

eagle eye wrote: »

What rubbish, and you must be a bad coach.

More trash.

You're a trash talker end of/

So because i have a different opinion based on facts, im a trash talker!

Anyone who knows me through boxing knows im a capable coach and plenty of boxers that i trained are All Ireland champions,

if you truly believe that Calzaghe does not slap then your clueless, i suspect you know he's a slapper but just like him and look past it.

I always knew this about Calzaghe but people like you having stupid arguments that he does not slap actually increased my dislike for Joe the boxer as now its even more obvious that he slaps cause i watch out for it.

Brad Goodman wrote: »

cowzerp... do you just start threads for the sole purpose of ragging on calzaghe?.. i mean you seem to have a serious problem with guy... his ears must be constantly burning!.. does he owe you money or sleep with your missus?.. your fixation is unhealthy!

I started the thread to get peoples opinions on who they dont rate and why? whats the problem with that?
you dont have to read or post if you dont like the content, also why did you feel the need to create an account just to point this out? i suspect your a troll and already on this board in a different user name, i am pretty sure i know who too-COP ON AND GROW A PAIR.

eagle eye

cowzerp wrote: »

So because i have a different opinion based on facts, im a trash talker!

Anyone who knows me through boxing knows im a capable coach and plenty of boxers that i trained are All Ireland champions,

if you truly believe that Calzaghe does not slap then your clueless, i suspect you know he's a slapper but just like him and look past it.

I always knew this about Calzaghe but people like you having stupid arguments that he does not slap actually increased my dislike for Joe the boxer as now its even more obvious that he slaps cause i watch out for it.

Its clear from your comments that you are far too technical in your analysis. Maybe its something you need to step back from and look at the overall picture.
If you want to look at any fighter and see him slapping or spoiling or whatever you are trying to find, its easy to find a couple of incidents over twelve rounds.
But overall to class Calzaghe as a slapper is just plain wrong and ridiculous. You also commented on his power, event though he has stopped 32 opponents.
In particular you have to look at the those who had not been stopped before and explain how he could stop these guys if his power was below average, because as you well know that does not happen.
I don't want to critcise your coaching skills too much but you put it on the line as a back up to your comments.
You called him a trash talker which is just comical and the answer was a comical reply.

mcvicar

cowzerp wrote: »

Boxers you dont rate, or think are over rated..and why?

Mine is Joe Calzaghe as most people on here know!

My reasons are,
1, He's a slapper with poor technique,as a boxer and coach this bugs me!
2, His power is average at best, probably below average
3, His record is padded with lots of no hopers
4, He's a trash talker, thats it for now!

Your reasons are, to be put nice, Rubbish.!
1, He's a boxer, it's all about landing punches.
2, Rubbish statment! have you felt his power? NO, i think not.
3, His record is next to none (except mayweather or Marciano)
4, Trash talking is half the fight before 2 fighters enter the ring.

cowzerp

eagle eye wrote: »

Its clear from your comments that you are far too technical in your analysis. Maybe its something you need to step back from and look at the overall picture.
If you want to look at any fighter and see him slapping or spoiling or whatever you are trying to find, its easy to find a couple of incidents over twelve rounds.
But overall to class Calzaghe as a slapper is just plain wrong and ridiculous..

Am i meant to apologise because i expect boxers to fight properly, he slaps in nearly all his punches, if you cant see that well then your quite clueless as far as punching is concerned, he does not just slap once or twice a round! that can happen to the best of us by mistake, but deliberatley slapping is not the same, Im finished arguing with you on this because its clear we see punchin technique from different angles.

eagle eye wrote: »

You also commented on his power, event though he has stopped 32 opponents. In particular you have to look at the those who had not been stopped before and explain how he could stop these guys if his power was below average, because as you well know that does not happen.

Tyson, hearns, foreman they where big punchers, Pavlik is a big puncher-Calzaghe never drops anyone with punches, he wears them down with slaps over a sustained period, by your logic wayne mccullogh is a big puncher as he stopped most of his opponents.

mcvicar wrote: »

Your reasons are, to be put nice, Rubbish.!
1, He's a boxer, it's all about landing punches.
2, Rubbish statment! have you felt his power? NO, i think not.
3, His record is next to none (except mayweather or Marciano)
4, Trash talking is half the fight before 2 fighters enter the ring.

1. landing punches-i agree, not slaps, thanks for boosting my point.
2. because i have not felt his power i cant state what i think of it? well then its not fair to say what anyone's power is unless we fought them! :rolleyes:
3, In my opinion he's yet to be tested by anyone expected to challenge him, he's been looked after and it continues giving him a last fight versus RJJ instead of the more dangerous Pavlik.
4, So you think trash talking is half the fight? only if there is a reason for trash talking, otherwise your just been a jerk, he gets that from Enzo.

eagle eye

cowzerp wrote: »

Am i meant to apologise because i expect boxers to fight properly, he slaps in nearly all his punches, if you cant see that well then your quite clueless as far as punching is concerned, he does not just slap once or twice a round! that can happen to the best of us by mistake, but deliberatley slapping is not the same, Im finished arguing with you on this because its clear we see punchin technique from different angles.


Tyson, hearns, foreman they where big punchers, Pavlik is a big puncher-Calzaghe never drops anyone with punches, he wears them down with slaps over a sustained period, by your logic wayne mccullogh is a big puncher as he stopped most of his opponents.

It seems to me that the only method you have of trying to prove a point is to go down the route of 'i am a coach, so I know' or the old 'i've forgotten more that you'll ever know' which is ludicrous.
I give up on you, from now on I will not bother to read your comments as you obviously see fights and fighters through cowzerp tinted glasses only and there is no way you can be wrong with those goggles on.
Basically my opinion remains unchanged and you just happen to mention three of the most deadly one punch finishers in the history of boxing to back up your point. LMFAO.

And just as a reminder here is some of your comments before the Calzaghe Hopkins fight, but of course this does not mean that you have to accept it after its proven you are wrong.

cowzerp wrote: »

Hopkins is 42 and will still tear joe apart, he's brash cocky and lacks technique, he's a tough lad but by no means 1 of the best ever as people are trying to say-he's only beaten lacy and kessler and is going on about hopkins?
Hopkins is a living legend and is still an animal, different class.

cowzerp wrote: »

im with bren on this, im all for the more skillfull fighters winning, and b hop is definetly more skillfull than calzaghe! calzaghe is a bad technical fighter and does not even hit hard, he just works hard and scrapes through fights, also he has barely faced any opposition, always on about Lacy!! and kessler is only o'k, although joe was better in this fight technically then in previous fights! Hopkins to win by Ko...

But of course you never eat humble pie, you don't even know what it tastes like, because you are never wrong.:rolleyes:

mcvicar

1. landing punches-i agree, not slaps, thanks for boosting my point.
2. because i have not felt his power i cant state what i think of it? well then its not fair to say what anyone's power is unless we fought them!
3, In my opinion he's yet to be tested by anyone expected to challenge him, he's been looked after and it continues giving him a last fight versus RJJ instead of the more dangerous Pavlik.
4, So you think trash talking is half the fight? only if there is a reason for trash talking, otherwise your just been a jerk, he gets that from Enzo.

1, (plese don't be silly) this "slapping" tag has been made up by fighters Calzaghe has beaten or want to fight him.
2, FACT,
3, So you don't rate any boxers who Calzaghe has beaten over the last 20 years or so.? (Eubanks, Lacy, Kessler, Hopkins to name but 4) ( Pavik has beaten nobody other than Jermaine Taylor.! to be in Calzaghe's class)
4, Its all about "syking" each other out before they enter the ring.

ODD-JOB

I think when you are not a fan of a boxer , you will look for the bad points in them . thats natural... and biased !

For Cowzer he dosent like Joe C and he sees the negative aspects of his game.
Calzaghe has some great traits , he's fast , a very busy fighter , and has an exceptional ability to grow old and stay competitive at the same time !

But he does have negaitives.... including :
He does have a "suger-coated" record, his punching technique is not even close to "text book" boxing.
He also does benifit from the extended over-hype that all decent Brittish boxers are graced with.

Big-ears reckons that Calzaghe slaps to protect a fragile hand , Cowzer says his punches are down-right illegal ....... the truth is somewhere in the middle in my opinion.

The trash talk means nothing,.... what does count though is the level of respect shown when the final bell rings.
Even the bigger trash talkers like P.B.Floyd show tremendious respect after the final bell.
We seen how complimentry Mayweather was about Hatton inthe post fight interview.
We even seen Mayweather grab Gatti and show his respect saying he was a great fighter etc.

We seen Mayorga apologize profusely to both dela Hoya and Vargas after thier fights,.... for all the nasty things Mayorga does, he is total respectful to his opponent wether he wins or looses.

people who are just disrectpectful should include both Tyson , and J Tooney , and hopkins...... even Morales has lacked taste in victory.

Anyway,
The fighter I dont rate as high as everybody else is Oscar Dela Hoya.
I know what his record states and well aware of his successes , but I just dont like to watch him fight.
He's been favoured with so many advantages in his career , that has made things easy to reach the top.

the Americans took him on board as their own , he didnt get viewed like a mexican by the general public, ... his clean cut image appealed to enough people to make foundation to a solid ppv fanbase.

He had a lot of financial backing and strings pulled , thru his middle class upbringing. he claims he's never been in a fight in his life outside the ring.
Most boxers do it the hard way, from a measly backround with the tiniest opportunity to emerge from crime styled lives and poverty. for these people I have tremdious respect.
Central American Fernando Angulo escaped domestic abuse as a 8 year old child and fled to the Ecuadorian rain forest where he survived for 2-3 years on instinct , he lived rough on the streets in the capital from the age of 11 or 12 , got it together to join a gym , and proved to be a fantastic prospect , reaching the world top 10 in his weight class. How much respect do I have for somebody like that !!!!! amazing.

Amir Khan is another sugar-coated fighter.
A guy who didnt do it the hard way ,... has been pamper and glosses by the Brittish media and fair-weather boxing fans.
Has had the easiest route ever to the top ,
a fighter who dosent get matched against "punchers" , and opponents are chosen who are under-weight and of moderate boxing ability.
On the basis of this level of opponent, warren has managed to swing him up to the top 3 in the WBO and top 5 in the WBA. Thats crazy , but its also Boxing Politics.
Khan has got Warren pulling strings with these bodies , has esclated his route to title contention,.... he has never fought his way thru the divisions facing improved increments in opponent.

mickoo

1st off, Calzaghe does slap, all boxing fans and boxers know this, thats why his hands are so badly damaged.


2nd, mcivar in your statement, have you been hit by him? it does not make sense, if calzaghe was knocking people out he quite clearly would be a big puncher, if he never knocked anyone out how can he be a big puncher? as far as i know he did not actually knock anyone out ever and rarely dropped anyone with punch.


and eagle eye, your slagging paul off because he predicted the wrong winner of a fight? and the fight actually went down the way he said with calzaghe getting a controversial win against an old man. i think your just looking for arguments at this stage.

cowzerp

eagle eye wrote: »

It seems to me that the only method you have of trying to prove a point is to go down the route of 'i am a coach, so I know' or the old 'i've forgotten more that you'll ever know' which is ludicrous.
I give up on you, from now on I will not bother to read your comments as you obviously see fights and fighters through cowzerp tinted glasses only and there is no way you can be wrong with those goggles on.
Basically my opinion remains unchanged and you just happen to mention three of the most deadly one punch finishers in the history of boxing to back up your point. LMFAO.

I may be a coach, but i,ve boxed all my life and been around some of the best boxers ireland have and also represented Ireland, i also know others that would have done similar and they dont know much about boxing, so i understand how this does not automatically mean i know more-but i say it as it is and dont just go along with the british hype on fighters such as Calzaghe etc..

and my mention of the big punchers was to explain, knockout power, not wearing a fighter down through attrition, there is loads i could name,, even small fella's like Manny have it, Morales, Hamed, i could go on, Calzaghe does not and if you say otherwise-:rolleyes:

Anyway-you have entertained me the last few days with your defense of the indefensible!

eagle eye

cowzerp wrote: »

I may be a coach, but i,ve boxed all my life and been around some of the best boxers ireland have and also represented Ireland, i also know others that would have done similar and they dont know much about boxing, so i understand how this does not automatically mean i know more-but i say it as it is and dont just go along with the british hype on fighters such as Calzaghe etc..

and my mention of the big punchers was to explain, knockout power, not wearing a fighter down through attrition, there is loads i could name,, even small fella's like Manny have it, Morales, Hamed, i could go on, Calzaghe does not and if you say otherwise-:rolleyes:

Anyway-you have entertained me the last few days with your defense of the indefensible!

Its no surprise that you have not even mentioned the two old quotes regarding Hopkins which you made before the Calzaghe fight.

Brad Goodman

cowzerp wrote: »

I started the thread to get peoples opinions on who they dont rate and why? whats the problem with that?
you dont have to read or post if you dont like the content, also why did you feel the need to create an account just to point this out? i suspect your a troll and already on this board in a different user name, i am pretty sure i know who too-COP ON AND GROW A PAIR.

I'm not a troll. I'm pretty new to boards and started my account coz I was sick of your Calzaghe bashing and felt the need to say something. So you could say I did grow a pair. So you cop on.

On boxers I don't rate, I've always thought Ricky Hatton is far too one dimensional. Actually for somebody who can't see a left hook coming for love nor money I'm surprised he's gotten as far as he has. Good chin, mind you.

cowzerp

eagle eye wrote: »

Its no surprise that you have not even mentioned the two old quotes regarding Hopkins which you made before the Calzaghe fight.

Them quotes mean nothing! As mick said, your slagging me over a wrong prediction, nobody is right all the time, and i said after and still believe that Hopkins won that fight, the bookies at the end of the fight had Hopkins to win and they are not bias-there all business. so brad or i mean eagle eye, stop trying to make me look bad because your starting to look stupid.

Brad Goodman

Seriously cowzerp I'm not eagle eye. I don't agree with your opinion on Calzaghe but I don't want to have a beef with you. I'm new to all this but I'm just a boxing fan and I don't want to fall out with people on here.

cowzerp

Brad Goodman wrote: »

Seriously cowzerp I'm not eagle eye. I don't agree with your opinion on Calzaghe but I don't want to have a beef with you. I'm new to all this but I'm just a boxing fan and I don't want to fall out with people on here.

ok, there's a lot of lads just trying to get personal now..

eagle eye

cowzerp wrote: »

Them quotes mean nothing! As mick said, your slagging me over a wrong prediction, nobody is right all the time, and i said after and still believe that Hopkins won that fight, the bookies at the end of the fight had Hopkins to win and they are not bias-there all business. so brad or i mean eagle eye, stop trying to make me look bad because your starting to look stupid.

Never wrong as I already.

And then another desperate measure trying to accuse me of double accounting. I see that Big Ears is in the lobby so he should be able to clarify that one for you.

Big Ears

cowzerp wrote: »

Boxers you dont rate, or think are over rated..and why?

Mine is Joe Calzaghe as most people on here know!

My reasons are,
1, He's a slapper with poor technique,as a boxer and coach this bugs me!
2, His power is average at best, probably below average
3, His record is padded with lots of no hopers
4, He's a trash talker, thats it for now!

1.fair enough

2.This is caused by his brittle hands, watch his career before Ashira, the last time he broke his hand(not the last time he hurt it though). He's been very protective since but before that he used to throw big hurtful ****s/slaps .

Look at what he did to Byron Mitchell when he needed to, he floored the iron chinned Eubank . Sheika was stopped on cuts but only when Calzaghe was really starting to get to him and Sheika is pretty durable . Mkrtchian and Woodhall are durable types aswell and Calzaghe stopped them .

Going into the Eubank fight Calzaghe was 22-0-0(21 stoppages , 10 in the first round) . His hands of chalk just got theem . He has even stated in many interviews he no longer loads up on shots to protect his hands.....no point in risking breaking them .


I don't rate Tony Thompson, Wladamir's next opponent . He's just generally not very good and is at about the level of Ray Austin . He's getting knocked out within 4 .

Yet again keep things civil and direct points at the post not the poster .

But if he ever needs the power, as in really really needs it it's there .

3.His Super-Middleweight tittle reign is every bit as good as Hopkins Middleweight title reign . Just Hopkins gets a pass for his for some reason .


4. Not particulary so, as he said on Johnathon Ross he was while he was younger but not now . If you dislike fighters for this you must hate James Toney, that guys is just an idiot .

ODD-JOB

I dont remember ever seeing Tony thompson ,.....
its such a pity tv coverage of boxing is so poor.
Well it is definately better than it used to be , but its still really bad coverage for world class fighting.

Another fighter I have grown to dislike is Glen Jonhson....
Although i wont say he is over-rated , I just dont like his fighting style.

Big Ears

ODD-JOB wrote: »

I dont remember ever seeing Tony thompson ,.....
its such a pity tv coverage of boxing is so poor.
Well it is definately better than it used to be , but its still really bad coverage for world class fighting.

Another fighter I have grown to dislike is Glen Jonhson....
Although i wont say he is over-rated , I just dont like his fighting style.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf1mx4SOdOI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8m_M7Ahaf0

The sad thing is , is it is that Krasniqi fight which earned him his title shot .
Krasniqi is a better fighter than Thompson, he just doesn't have his heart in it anymore(and wasn't the best as far as heart goes in the first place)

walshb

Eagle eye, if you cannot debate in a civil and polite manner; I think you should simply go elsewhere. You seem so angry here; we all can't agree on everything, but that doesn't mean anyone should be getting so personal here, either quit it; or get lost

eagle eye

Just to clear things up Cowzerp. My reason for reminding you of the quotes is that you said quite clearly that Hopkins was different class to Calzaghe and that he would ko him.
I'm not slagging you off, just reminding you of how definitive you were in your comments before that fight. Regardless of the fact that you think the result was wrong(and again I'm in disagreement there) it was a desperately close fight.
If you rated Hopkins so highly in advance of that fight, surely you should respect Joe Calzaghe after it.

cowzerp

eagle eye wrote: »

Just to clear things up Cowzerp. My reason for reminding you of the quotes is that you said quite clearly that Hopkins was different class to Calzaghe and that he would ko him. .

I also said that he was fighting an old man and even if he won it would mean little, the same will apply to RJJ, Clearly a better fighter than Calzaghe but he's old and washed up so Calzaghe fighting him as last fight while there are question marks over his legacy are laughable,

eagle eye wrote: »

If you rated Hopkins so highly in advance of that fight, surely you should respect Joe Calzaghe after it.

I dont think your understanding my issue with Calazaghe!

Its not that he cant beat people, he clearly can, its the way he does it-he slaps his way through matches, illegal blows that dont even hurt!
without stamina Joe is nothing, his wear them down approach would be obsolete as he's nothing else to offer.

Beating old men does not get my respect. or scraping the decision!

Big Ears

cowzerp wrote: »

I also said that he was fighting an old man and even if he won it would mean little, the same will apply to RJJ, Clearly a better fighter than Calzaghe but he's old and washed up so Calzaghe fighting him as last fight while there are question marks over his legacy are laughable,



I dont think your understanding my issue with Calazaghe!

Its not that he cant beat people, he clearly can, its the way he does it-he slaps his way through matches, illegal blows that dont even hurt!
without stamina Joe is nothing, his wear them down approach would be obsolete as he's nothing else to offer.

Beating old men does not get my respect. or scraping the decision!

Well for me that was the same Hopkins that beat Tarver and a better one than beat Winky . The reason being is probably that he used Mackie Shillstone for the Tarver and Calzaghe fights but not for the Winky fight . Hopkins isn't any old man, despite his age he's still a very good fighter and I'd fancy him to beat Pavlik, Abraham or a Taylor in a third fight up at Light-Heavyweight .

Don't underestimate popkins .

eagle eye

cowzerp wrote: »

I also said that he was fighting an old man and even if he won it would mean little.

I don't ever remember you saying this at any stage.
But whatever, it seems you and I are never going to agree so lets just leave it.

ODD-JOB

People said hopkins was past it in the run up to the Trinidad fight.
That was 7 or 8 years ago.......

When a boxer is fighting into his 40's , ... then everybody knows he's at the very end of his career.
The only question which remained was whether he lasts one more fight or not.

For all the support shown towards Calzaghe , one must ask themselves why he's only emerging out of his bubble now ?
Warren kept him out of world class boxing all his career, now he's finally fighting on the big stage , his debut was against 40-something Hopkins, his next and last will be against 40 year old Jones Junior.

I have to go along with Cowzerp's opinion ,.. there is a massive gulf in the career's of Hopkins and Calzaghe.

Anyway , I dont think anybodys going to enlighten a Calzaghe fan to the truth.
People who are big fans of Joe calzaghe willl never be able to see the negative style.