"No Animals Were Harmed"

We've all seen this at the end of the credits. The stamp declaring that no animals were harmed in the making of this movie. Well I have, from the many times of cleaning up after people when the movie ended. Or waiting for the 2 (always 2) people who are adamant about watching the credits fully.

But has there ever been a movie where an animal was harmed? Accidentally or otherwise. If there was, would they have to change the stamp to - "Only some animals were harmed in the making of this movie."

Galvasean

Many films have harmed animals. The original Wicker Man and Cannibal Holocaust to name two. They just don't get the stamp. They may get a fine from local authorities depending on where it happened.

faceman

I would need to google it but from what i remember from film school there was a time in the US where there was no strict rule on harming animals but it's no longer the case.

Most movies have animal wranglers on set or observers.

Vic Vinegar

Apocalypse Now.... they fairly mutilated that cow.....

One of Uwe Bolls more recent films has loads of animal cruelty at the beginning, twas quite disturbing but I think it was all "stock" footage or something. It was called Seed, and yes it was an absolutely sh1te film! (what a surprise!)

Galvasean

Documentaries can get away with a lot (example: Roger and Me, the rabbit scene) because the filmmakers are documenting something which happens, not actually making it happen. (they still don't get the stamp)
I remember watching one of those 'docu-dramas' (IMO its an excuse to get away with having poor production values in your movie), forget the name, but it showed a cow being butchered as per the local region's way of doing things. While this does go on in reality,this particular cow was slaughtered purely for the cameras with the 'documentary' tag bolted on to get away with any 'animal cruelty' tags, which is cynical IMO.

monkeyfudge

They have to put the stamp on even if the animals harmed weren't real.

I think 'Oh Brother Where Art Thou' had to do that because of a realistic looking cow death.

tread_softly

in the korean movie 'the Isle' a live fish was plucked out of the water for one scene, a strip cut off it and it was released back into the water.

in the european release that scene was omitted

monkeyfudge

tread_softly wrote: »

in the korean movie 'the Isle' a live fish was plucked out of the water for one scene, a strip cut off it and it was released back into the water.

in the european release that scene was omitted

Haha... because you watch the film.. and that's the bit that's going to make you squeamish...?

Sean Quagmire

Cows don’t look like cows on film, you gotta use horses

is painting a horse black and white a form of animal harm?

tread_softly

monkeyfudge wrote: »

Haha... because you watch the film.. and that's the bit that's going to make you squeamish...?

shhhh, don't mention the nastiness!

i thought we were talking about cruelty to animals, not bodily mutilation involving fish hooks :eek:

stakey

As mountain lips says, 'Apocalypse Now'. AFAIR the footage of the cow being sacrificed was real and was actually a sacrifice the local tribe were going to do anyway.

But if my memory serves me correctly, a few animal rights people took great offence to the inclusion of the footage in the film and as such alot of movies carry the 'No animal was harmed...' tag ever since. I may be wrong but I think I read that somewhere.

Vic Vinegar

Sean Quagmire wrote: »

Cows don’t look like cows on film, you gotta use horses

Ha ha, what?

Sean Quagmire

mountain lips wrote: »

Ha ha, what?

You might then be thinking what do they do if they need a horse?

Well, they normally just tape a bunch of cats together

seamus

It was common enough allegedly in the early days of the movies. If they needed to shoot a horse, then they shot a horse.

The "no animals were harmed" thing only applies to direct harm of course. If an animal dies due to exhaustion or an accident on set, then they don't tell you about that.

Galvasean

Or if they stood on a bunch of rare butterflies while shooting on location.

Vic Vinegar

Sean Quagmire wrote: »

You might then be thinking what do they do if they need a horse?

Well, they normally just tape a bunch of cats together

Is that how they do it? i was always wondering.....

There was a guy there last week who had a bag full of Chaffinches, thinking back it did look suspiciously like a Polar Bear...

Necronomicon

There was a pretty good debate about it here a little while back:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055270527

Pigman II

Fast Food Nation has an interesting sequence of a cow graduating from "Bovine University".

rizzla

Oldboy, eating the live squid. That was real.

Drag00n79

Sean Quagmire wrote: »

You might then be thinking what do they do if they need a horse? Well, they normally just tape a bunch of cats together

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

grames_bond

Galvasean wrote: »

Documentaries can get away with a lot (example: Roger and Me, the rabbit scene) because the filmmakers are documenting something which happens, not actually making it happen. (they still don't get the stamp).

forget the rabbit .....what about that poor black man?!

Galvasean

grames_bond wrote: »

forget the rabbit .....what about that poor black man?!

Calling the black man an animal... racist!

edit: I kid

username123

During filming of Every Which Way But Loose and Any Which Way You Can the animal handlers had no idea how to treat a primate and beat Clyde the orangutan into submission for scenes. After the films were made they were preparing him for a publicity shoot and the handler hit him so hard over the head with a something metal that he died from his injuries. There were no laws against primate abuse at that time in the US.

Parrish_Crooks

username123 wrote: »

During filming of Every Which Way But Loose and Any Which Way You Can the animal handlers had no idea how to treat a primate and beat Clyde the orangutan into submission for scenes. After the films were made they were preparing him for a publicity shoot and the handler hit him so hard over the head with a something metal that he died from his injuries. There were no laws against primate abuse at that time in the US.

Is that true?? That's horrible! :mad:

Vic Vinegar

username123 wrote: »

During filming of Every Which Way But Loose and Any Which Way You Can the animal handlers had no idea how to treat a primate and beat Clyde the orangutan into submission for scenes. After the films were made they were preparing him for a publicity shoot and the handler hit him so hard over the head with a something metal that he died from his injuries. There were no laws against primate abuse at that time in the US.

Holy f**k! that's horrendous! :mad:

I heard shagging animals is technically legal in 23 states or something in the U.S though so people shouldn't be surprised at the depths some folk will sink to...

username123

It is true. I actually read about it in a book written and edited by top primatologist Jane Goodall. I dont think she told the story herself but the book contained various tales from various animal conservationists - full credits given, I doubt it was made up. Google it - I think you'll find there is some info online.

Shocking isnt it?

Parrish_Crooks

username123 wrote: »

It is true. I actually read about it in a book written and edited by top primatologist Jane Goodall. I dont think she told the story herself but the book contained various tales from various animal conservationists - full credits given, I doubt it was made up. Google it - I think you'll find there is some info online.

Shocking isnt it?

Disgusting. We're supposed to be civilised, how can people hurt defenceless animals, it sickens me! :mad:

username123

Its no excuse but this was in the times before they realised the intelligence of primates and believed the only way to control them was with force.

Anyone who is interested in animal rights or learning more about primates and how close they are to humans in intelligence and emotions I strongly suggest reading The Great Ape Project.

The Bollox

Sean Quagmire wrote: »

You might then be thinking what do they do if they need a horse?

Well, they normally just tape a bunch of cats together

what do they do if they need a cat?

Basq

Wasn't the turtle in 'Cannibal Holocaust' real? Might be mistaken but remember reading it was.

EDIT: Missed the post from Galvasean. Apologies!

From it's Wikipedia:

Animal cruelty

Many of the censorship issues with Cannibal Holocaust concern the on screen killings of animals, which remains a major issue today. Seven animals were killed during the film's production, six of which are seen onscreen.

* A coatimundi (mistaken as a muskrat in the film) is stabbed multiple times in the neck by an actor.
* A large turtle (about three feet long) is captured in the water and dragged to shore, where it is then decapitated and its limbs and shell removed. The actors proceed to cook and eat the turtle.
* A large spider is killed with a machete.
* A snake is killed with a machete.
* A squirrel monkey has its face cut off with a machete.
* A pig is kicked and then shot with a rifle.

doctor evil

boneyarsebogman wrote: »

movie ended. Or waiting for the 2 (always 2) people who are adamant about watching the credits fully.

I'm one of those! No point trying to get out when the rest of the herd are clogging up the doors. In Japan it is considered rude to leave a film before the end of the credits and disrespectful to its makers.

fitz0

rizzla wrote: »

Oldboy, eating the live squid. That was real.

But people acually eat squid (or was it an octopus?) like that. So it may be cruel but it happens anyway.

rizzla

fitz0 wrote: »

But people acually eat squid (or was it an octopus?) like that. So it may be cruel but it happens anyway.

They don't eat it live with the thing trying to cling to your face. It's chopped up and prepared, even though it's eaten raw.