First 4870 review....ATI are back..

papu

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.expreview.com%2Ftopic%2F2008-06-24%2F1214282167d9273.html&hl=zh-CN&ie=UTF8&sl=zh-CN&tl=en

this card seems to be kicking some serious ass






beating the 260Gtx in alot of games and its been cropping up at about 250 euros a polish shop has them listed for 228euros and a eshop in the netherlands are touting a club3d version 512Gddr5 for 260 euros .

it looks to be a good summer \0/

Reviews

onethreehill wrote: »

http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1301
http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/ATI%5FRadeon%5FHD%5F4850%5Fand%5F4870%5FRV770%5FHas%5FArrived/
http://www.elitebastards.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=584&Itemid=31
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=13972
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=581
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/8162-palit-radeon-hd4870-512mb-graphics-card-review.html
http://www.expreview.com/topic/2008-06-24/1214282167d9273.html
http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/ati-4800-series-review.ars
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2321634,00.asp
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/1481/sapphire_radeon_hd_4870_in_crossfire/index.html
http://www.chw.net/Revisiones/Tarjetas-de-Video/AMD-ATi-Radeon-HD-4870-200806252037.html
http://techreport.com/articles.x/14990

thanks to
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=192421

conzy

Yes! If it performs this will in another few reviews I'm all over it!

Also Nvidia just got WTFOWNED in the neck Unless they pull some amazing CUDA apps out of the bag... But the ATI cards have more Floating Point power so they will win in GPGPU applications and Folding@Home too \o/

great

dam i cant wait that long for the 4870x2.... want it now!!!

christophicus

They only advantage I see Nvidia having is in teh benching apps such as 3D mark. The 9800GTX+ rapes at when it comes to the CPU test, scoring more then twice a Intel extreme 9800 scores. Alot of people will take note of that and it will be a reason to get the 9800GTX+, added to the fact that it is slightly faster then the 4850.

EDIT: By the way I thought the 4870 was supposed to have a gig of ram no ??

papu

christophicus wrote: »

They only advantage I see Nvidia having is in teh benching apps such as 3D mark. The 9800GTX+ rapes at when it comes to the CPU test, scoring more then twice a Intel extreme 9800 scores. Alot of people will take note of that and it will be a reason to get the 9800GTX+, added to the fact that it is slightly faster then the 4850.

EDIT: By the way I thought the 4870 was supposed to have a gig of ram no ??

yeah Ati are letting the card distributors like his and sapphire overclock , aftermarket coolers , and decide ram quantities themselves , this is ddr5 memory and the 1gb version will be more expensive and be released shortly after the 512mb ones , i see no real reason for 1gb other than e-pens and a few games like crysis with 8xAA or oblivion , but with the new ddr5 it might not be as much as an issue with the bandwidth constraints of the ddr3 memory

MooseJam

meh , not much to jump up and down about here, so it matches the gtx260, big deal, I was hoping for a lot better, whos that ATI fanboy you quoted in your first post papu

papu

MooseJam wrote: »

meh , not much to jump up and down about here, so it matches the gtx260, big deal, I was hoping for a lot better, whos that ATI fanboy you quoted in your first post papu

oh i see so matching a card thats 150 euros more and doing that when your a development cycle behind is nothing much? its double the performance of the 3870... come one...

some guy on xtremesystems who put the whole prices thing in perspective.

PogMoThoin

Defo gettin one of these in a week and adding a second in 2 months

WEST

MooseJam wrote: »

meh , not much to jump up and down about here, so it matches the gtx260, big deal, I was hoping for a lot better, whos that ATI fanboy you quoted in your first post papu

ts all about the price\performance ratio and if the above review holds true the 4870 is something to get excited about.

papu

WEST wrote: »

ts all about the price\performance ratio and if the above review holds true the 4870 is something to get excited about.

very very true greater performance than a 400 euro card , for a 250 euro price tag , whats not to get exceited about? not to mention crossfire!

MooseJam

is 250 definately going to be the price of this

papu

MooseJam wrote: »

is 250 definately going to be the price of this

its been cropping up at about 250 euros a polish shop has them listed for 228euros and a eshop in the netherlands are touting a club3d version 512Gddr5 for 260 euros .

it's not out yet but thats the price point its looking to hit , it might be gouged a little for the first few weeks but im sure some faithful shops will keep the recommended price. for the 1gig version im sure you can add 80 or 100 euros onto that.

TerrorFirmer

Great. Sold my crossfire mobo for a Sli one and this happens.

Will be interesting to see what 4870X2 can offer.

papu

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Great. Sold my crossfire mobo for a Sli one and this happens.

Will be interesting to see what 4870X2 can offer.

well 1 4870 is about 15% off the 280
so 4870X2 is going to be an ANIMAL

also NV wont be able to get a dual core card out unless they stick two new 55nm 9800+'s or get the 280's down to 55nm process
with a billion transistors and huge power draw its going to be hard , the 4870X2 is known as the r700? and has 2xr770xt cores
more info about it here

christophicus

Hmm, I'm thinking I might dipp into my college funds for the 4870 , this coming winter ( actually might try and catch one on the new year sales ) or maybe a X2 if they are out then and cheap enough.

I'm using an x1800gto atm .

Maximilian

MooseJam wrote: »

meh , not much to jump up and down about here, so it matches the gtx260, big deal, I was hoping for a lot better, whos that ATI fanboy you quoted in your first post papu

I would have thought there's plenty to jump up and down about. Nvidia will have to try and beat this. Competition pays off for all of us in the end. I have an ATI card but I don't want either company to ever dominate.

conceited

I see alot of nvidia fan boys on this site and i'm sure they will welcome a change it's good for everyone like you said.

Slutmonkey57b

The item to note in the slides however is crossfire/sli comparisons though - in a lot of games 2x8800GT @ €220 beats the 4870 @250. The only problem there is you have to rely on buggy Nvidia chipsets...

Tony Broke

I cancelled the HD4850 I ordered with Pixmania and ordered

HD4870 €241

http://www.pixmania.com/ie/uk/1344930/art/sapphire-technology/radeon-hd-4870-512-mo-gdd.html

E8400 €155

http://www.pixmania.com/ie/uk/728359/art/intel/core-2-duo-e8400-3-ghz-6.html

G-Skill pc 6400 CL4 2gb €43

http://www.pixmania.com/ie/uk/729891/art/g-skill/pc2-6400-cl4-2-x-1-gb-ddr.html

All for under the price of one GTX280

Should be a nice step up over

E2160 oc 3.0ghz
2gb OCZ
7600gt OC
Giga P31 DS3L

?

22" Samsung and 42" 1080p which I hope to get in at the end of the summer..

papu

Tony Broke wrote: »

I cancelled the HD4850 I ordered with Pixmania and ordered

HD4870 €241

http://www.pixmania.com/ie/uk/1344930/art/sapphire-technology/radeon-hd-4870-512-mo-gdd.html

E8400 €155

http://www.pixmania.com/ie/uk/728359/art/intel/core-2-duo-e8400-3-ghz-6.html

G-Skill pc 6400 CL4 2gb €43

http://www.pixmania.com/ie/uk/729891/art/g-skill/pc2-6400-cl4-2-x-1-gb-ddr.html

All for under the price of one GTX280

Should be a nice step up over

E2160 oc 3.0ghz
2gb OCZ
7600gt OC
Giga P31 DS3L

?

22" Samsung and 42" 1080p which I hope to get in at the end of the summer..

Awesome!! enjoy

Tony Broke

Thanks man, only thing thats worrying me is my mobo might need a bios update and I may have to reinstall Vista :eek:

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=2615

MooseJam

What does this mean, are ATI's cards soundcards too

"All of AMD's Radeon HD graphics cards have shipped with their own audio codec, but the Radeon HD 4800 series of cards finally adds support for 8-channel LPCM output over HDMI. This is a huge deal for HTPC enthusiasts because now you can output 8-channel audio over HDMI in a motherboard agnostic solution. We still don't have support for bitstreaming TrueHD/DTS-HD MA and most likely won't anytime this year from a GPU alone, but there are some other solutions in the works for 2008."

papu

MooseJam wrote: »

What does this mean, are ATI's cards soundcards too

"All of AMD's Radeon HD graphics cards have shipped with their own audio codec, but the Radeon HD 4800 series of cards finally adds support for 8-channel LPCM output over HDMI. This is a huge deal for HTPC enthusiasts because now you can output 8-channel audio over HDMI in a motherboard agnostic solution. We still don't have support for bitstreaming TrueHD/DTS-HD MA and most likely won't anytime this year from a GPU alone, but there are some other solutions in the works for 2008."

all ati cards from the 2900 onwards have s sound chip on board which lets then transfer sound and video over Hdmi , cards usually ship with a special DVI>HDMI adapter to allow this , its perfect for HTPC's.

MooseJam

well just read the review of the HD 4870 on anandtech and it's very impressive it beats the gtx 260 and is very close to the 280, considering the price that is way cool - might force nvidia to drop prices

DanGerMus

I'm torn. i really need a new card, i'm thinking either get a 8800gt to tide me over til the 4870x2 comes or just buy a 4870 now.

papu

DanGerMus wrote: »

I'm torn. i really need a new card, i'm thinking either get a 8800gt to tide me over til the 4870x2 comes or just buy a 4870 now.

thats a tough one , the 4870 is great now , and the 4870X2 could also be great , or it could be an expensive power hungry flop

i would go for a 4870 and a hr-03 to cool it
i mean just look!

Tony Broke

DanGerMus wrote: »

I'm torn. i really need a new card, i'm thinking either get a 8800gt to tide me over til the 4870x2 comes or just buy a 4870 now.

Get HD4850 144 euro and overclock to HD4870 level.

http://www.pixmania.com/ie/uk/1304949/art/sapphire-technology/radeon-hd-4850-512-mb-gdd.html

850Mhz on GPU and 1100 on Mem on air :eek:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=192411

DanGerMus

Right so that decides it, thanks papu. i'll hold on the hr-03 for a while. Did i hear reapplying some decent TIM would help alot too. i have arctic silver and ceramique lying around.

papu

Tony Broke wrote: »

Get HD4850 144 euro and overclock to HD4870 level.

http://www.pixmania.com/ie/uk/1304949/art/sapphire-technology/radeon-hd-4850-512-mb-gdd.html

850Mhz on GPU and 1100 on Mem on air :eek:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=192411

your still missing the deal maker , the gddr5 the 4850 is an awesome card runs faster than 9800's , but their a bit bandwidth limited and not as much grunt as the 4870

papu

DanGerMus wrote: »

Right so that decides it, thanks papu. i'll hold on the hr-03 for a while. Did i hear reapplying some decent TIM would help alot too. i have arctic silver and ceramique lying around.

it does on the stock cooler helped one person about about 10* so theres no harm putting on some decent goo

DanGerMus

Thanks Tony but in the first post he says water cooling is a must and he also seems to have upped voltages somehow, either way 4850+watercooling=>Eruo than 4870 alone.

Well just ordered off pixmania. Price isn't all that bad @ E254.90. Looking at that chart papu i'll deffo consider the Hr-03, in fact if pixmania sold em i would have got it now. I'll try the tim change first, silver or ceramic you think?

DanGerMus

Paps you're the devil, i just ordered a hr-03 gt too. :)

papu

DanGerMus wrote: »

Paps you're the devil, i just ordered a hr-03 gt too. :)

where did ya pick that up from?
lucky bugger

conceited

http://www2.hardwareversand.de/1/articlelist.jsp?agid=721&profil.smal=2
waste of money :pac:

DanGerMus

From www.performance-pcs.com american site e51 altogether. Probably same as i'd pay here but i've used them before and they seem to make it here faster than english and german sites that i've used.

conceited wrote: »

http://www2.hardwareversand.de/1/articlelist.jsp?agid=721&profil.smal=2
waste of money :pac:

Yes. But so is my entire pc, what's your point.

papu

DanGerMus wrote: »

From www.performance-pcs.com american site e51 altogether. Probably same as i'd pay here but i've used them before and they seem to make it here faster than english and german sites that i've used.



Yes. But so is my entire pc, what's your point.

lol waste of money i think not... awesome il order a hr-03 and some sleeving and maybe a hr-03 for my old 2900XT

conceited

that thing only adds to the bling factor , temps are allowed to be th at high it's normal.

DanGerMus

conceited wrote: »

adds to the bling factor

And if thats not enough reason it also helps keep the components cooler which never minding increased over clocking potential lenghtens the life of the card. This is important to me as i'm not a constant upgrader and will hold on to this card for anything up to 2 years. Then of course you have the quietness aspect which i've gone to some lengths buying a p180 and low noise orientated water-cooling and modding the fan on my psu along with other low noise Case Fans to the point where my Hard drives are the loudest thing in my case. Seeing as reports are saying the stock cooler is quite loud i'd like to minimise it as much as possible.

But you're right Bling factor alone would be enough for me.

PogMoThoin

I've decided to get a 4870 now and add a 4870X2 when they're available,You can Tri crossfire with ATI as long as they're based on the same card.

DanGerMus

PogMoThoin wrote: »

I've decided to get a 4870 now and add a 4870X2 when they're available,You can Tri crossfire with ATI as long as they're based on the same card.

NFW. I was afraid of getting tinges of "the buyers remorse" but that's just made me feel emensely satisfied with my purchase. Good on ATI and keeping the options open. Don't know if i'll need it really but it's nice to know you can eh.

conceited

DanGerMus wrote: »

And if thats not enough reason it also helps keep the components cooler which never minding increased over clocking potential lenghtens the life of the card. This is important to me as i'm not a constant upgrader and will hold on to this card for anything up to 2 years.

Chips are ment to work at those temps and overlocking for 50mhz wow amazing. What will you get from that besides spending more money on parts you don't need to cool in the first place.A valid reason is noise that i can understand.

DanGerMus

DFI LANparty UT X48-T2R

Just stumbled accross this board for just such a setup but it also offers the option of a third card for physics, 3pciex16 slots with x16x16x4 lanes, looks mental.

DanGerMus

conceited wrote: »

Chips are ment to work at those temps and overlocking for 50mhz wow amazing. What will you get from that besides spending more money on parts you don't need to cool in the first place.A valid reason is noise that i can understand.

I agree entirely with you man my main reason despite earlier posts is the noise issue. I've read that they can be a bit hooverish.
But just to rephrase your point the chips design allows them to work in those temperatures. They will function better at lower temperatures in terms of stability and longevity. An engine will turn over without coolant but not for very long. I remember reading about a few x1900 owners being pretty miffed at there cards crapping out after fairly short terms because they were notoriously hot runners. And the were also specced to run at 100+.

papu

just one bit of advice , do not overclock them just yet , theres been the sudden death of maybe a dozen cards on XS , some due to Bios flashing , and others for trying to se the Fan speed , and software overclock , just be warned , little is known of the new Gddr5 and how it reacts to the old ways of overlocking....

DanGerMus

Who has a 4870 and where did you get it from. Mine is still showing as being processed for shipping. ordered last thursday from pixmania. I reckon they're lieing about them being in stock. What you guys think?

christophicus

Supposed leak of the 4870x2

http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTIxNDg0MTg3MDB4Z29ZeW9JV2hfMV8xX2wuanBn

Have they completely stopped branding the cards as ATI now?? I see it says AMD close to the pins.

Sqaull20

DanGerMus wrote: »

Who has a 4870 and where did you get it from. Mine is still showing as being processed for shipping. ordered last thursday from pixmania. I reckon they're lieing about them being in stock. What you guys think?

Im the same, I ordered on Thursday and its being processed as well.

I ordered a 750gb samsung spinpoint with the 4870 and it arrived today, something going on alright.

papu

if pixmania were displaying unstocked items as being stocked thats just bad business... mind you if they got soo many orders they may be swamped..

DanGerMus

Well if it's a backlog they've no excuse for showing it as in stock.If it's shown as in stock on any other site it means there is one sitting there for you when you order. A lot of sites tell you how many are in stock or say there are 10+ 20+ etc.

Anyway i tried to cancel it today and now it is being shown as shipped. I'll believe it when i see it. I dont like the way these guys operate they don't give you a simple means to cancel your order before it's shipped either. If you want to cancel something once it's 'being processed' you cant! you have to wait for it to be delivered and then refuse it at your door. From their FAQ if you send something back they'll only refund you to your pix piggy bank. Then there's the whole zen sh1te which again isn't made obvious that you can or how you choose not to use it. 10% for services they are legally abliged to provide you with anyway.

I didn't like pixmania before and only ordered as they showed as in stock. That'll learn me for being impatient. Could have got it elsewhere for less and just waited.

AlmightyCushion

DanGerMus wrote: »

10% for services they are legally abliged to provide you with anyway.

http://www.pixmania.com/ie/uk/our-services/11-univers.html?itag=12314

What part of that are they legally obliged to provide?

Ok part 1 is kinda pointless if you shop around before hand but they are by no means legally obliged to provide that.

Part 2 - Neither are they legally obliged to provide this. If the product breaks down on the last day of the warranty you wouldn't be entitled to a refund, you would be entitled to a repair.

Part 3 - Not obliged to do this under law either.

Part 4 - Not entitled to this under law either.

papu

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

http://www.pixmania.com/ie/uk/our-services/11-univers.html?itag=12314

What part of that are they legally obliged to provide?

Ok part 1 is kinda pointless if you shop around before hand but they are by no means legally obliged to provide that.

Part 2 - Neither are they legally obliged to provide this. If the product breaks down on the last day of the warranty you wouldn't be entitled to a refund, you would be entitled to a repair.

Part 3 - Not obliged to do this under law either.

Part 4 - Not entitled to this under law either.

also had problems with this today ordering a scanner , 10% my boss was livid , had to click the Show me more button , then down at the button is cancel the subscription , very well hidden