Dunne's next oponent named

joker77

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Argentina's Damian Marchiano has been confirmed as Bernard Dunne's next opponent at the National Stadium, Dublin on July 12.

Their ten round contest will headline a seven-fight card that features two Irish title bouts.

Marchiano is coming off an unsuccessful challenge in South Africa for Silence Mabuza's IBO title and he knows a second successive defeat is not a desirable career option.

Had a little look at him here, to be fair he had his work cut out for him against this guy Abner Mares - who's undefeated after 16 and looks like a prospect.

Hero Of College

Coming off a loss..........:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

joker77

Yea - he's had 4 losses in 20 fights. He doesn't look a total dud though

Big Ears

Hero Of College wrote: »

Coming off a loss..........:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

To one of if not the best Bantamweight in the World and a fighter who is clearly much better than Dunne .
Silence Mabuza is one of the most overlooked fighters out there and should receive a lot more plaudits for how good he is .

I haven't seen Marchiano yet so will save judgement till I watch the youtube clips of him and not judge him on his last fight .

BTW Shane Mosley sucks , the reason being he lost his last fight :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

joker77

He did ok in his fight with that guy Abner Mares, from looking at rounds 1, 2, 11 and 12 in the youtube clips. Ok he was hurt in the last round but he went the distance, and that guy Mares is supposed to be one of the best prospects out there in that division.

menoscemo

To be honest his record doesn't look great:
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=67381&cat=boxer

Only 5 KO's in 15 wins too and 4 of those came early in his career against guys with a combined record of 12-28-3. So he is obviously not a puncher. Much like Khan, his people are oviously avoiding matchinh him against punchers. Also has been ko'ed in 1 by a man with a 19-6 record and only 7kos.

Obviously RTE will pump his opponent up as being world-class though

Hero Of College

Big Ears wrote: »

To one of if not the best Bantamweight in the World and a fighter who is clearly much better than Dunne .
Silence Mabuza is one of the most overlooked fighters out there and should receive a lot more plaudits for how good he is .

I haven't seen Marchiano yet so will save judgement till I watch the youtube clips of him and not judge him on his last fight .

BTW Shane Mosley sucks , the reason being he lost his last fight :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Bantamweights......:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:.....losing bantamweights....:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Hero Of College

menoscemo wrote: »

To be honest his record doesn't look great:
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=67381&cat=boxer

Only 5 KO's in 15 wins too and 4 of those came early in his career against guys with a combined record of 12-28-3. So he is obviously not a puncher. Much like Khan, his people are oviously avoiding matchinh him against punchers. Also has been ko'ed in 1 by a man with a 19-6 record and only 7kos.

Obviously RTE will pump his opponent up as being world-class though

Its total manure, The entire thing. A non-punching-coming-off-a-loss-to-a-bantamweight-with-a-less-than-brilliant-chin is Bernards next opponent.

But Jimmy Magee will tell you that this kid just fought for a world title, therefore he is world class, therefore Bernard is fighting a world class opponent.

It sucks, and everybody should come out and say it. They should just not bother with the show. But of course they'll beg borrow and steal so they can sit there half-pissed and be serenaded by Peters sh!tty music between rounds.

Hero Of College

joker77 wrote: »

He did ok in his fight with that guy Abner Mares, from looking at rounds 1, 2, 11 and 12 in the youtube clips. Ok he was hurt in the last round but he went the distance, and that guy Mares is supposed to be one of the best prospects out there in that division.

From your statement, I take the following undisputable points of fact:-

1. He lost.

2. He lost to a prospect.

2.He lost to a bantamweight prospect.

Enough said.

Big Ears

Hero Of College wrote: »

From your statement, I take the following undisputable points of fact:-

1. He lost.

2. He lost to a prospect.

2.He lost to a bantamweight prospect.

Enough said.

1.Mares is extremely good
2.Mares is an extremely good prosopect

2. he is a Bantamweight himself






Now having actually watched the Mares fight it appears Marchiano is better than his record looks . He is a natural medium sized Bantamweight so Bernard will be a little bigger but before anyone goes off on one it's a 1 division difference and matches like that happen all the time .

He's very like Wayne McCullough, his style is extremely similar to McCullough, he is easy to hit like McCullough, he's very tough like McCullough and he even looks like McCullough . He had Mares hurt in round 2 of that fight and stunned him a little(although Mares hid it well) a few other times . He is effective when he has his man on the ropes but can get out boxed when in the centre of the ring . His chin is actually quite good and he took a lot of big shots from Mares without getting badly hurt till the last round .

He was hurt to the body once but other than that took numerous hard bodyshots and kept coming, he won't quit, he'll throw plenty of punches and in truth is probably a better fighter than Reidar Walstad and definitely a better fighter than Yersin Jailouev and those were European title defences for Dunne .

I don't see Dunne losing it , but it's not the worst fight that could of been made . It's a better match for Dunne than most of those in the European Super-Bantamweight rankings .

ODD-JOB

Hero Of College wrote: »

Its total manure, The entire thing.....
But Jimmy Magee will tell you that this kid just fought for a world title, therefore he is world class

It sucks, and everybody should come out and say it. They should just not bother with the show. But of course they'll beg borrow and steal so they can sit there half-pissed and be serenaded by Peters sh!tty music between rounds.

Lol , good post !!
You do like to brush the Bullsiht aside and tell it how it is ....dont u ?!!!

Well listen , its not that bad , and he's probably closer to world-class than Michael Gomez .
Made me chuckle to meself when Khan got interviewed after the Fight on Saturday
He said: "thats just what I needed , to face a strong and fresh W-class opponent" - ...... couldnt believe my ears , had turn the volume up just in case !!!

And about the music between rounds - ..... Its a total shambles , what a freak Peters is for putting on 80's pop during the 1 minute intervals.
Its like something out of Father Ted.

He also blasts it out so loud that the RTE commentry crew had to shout down the mic to get over the sound of DJ Peters.

Anyway , Bernard Dunne is set to continue his reign of terror all across the bantamweight division.

Hero Of College

People may think I am anti-Dunne, so I'll try and give my perspective a little better. One of the first things ODLH tried to do after the Trinidad fight was to erase the stench of the manner in which he lost to Trinidad.

Hence, he fought Mosley, and fought him in a particularly aggressive fashion. He lost, just.....but people gave him great credit for his efforts. The Mosley fight was his 2nd after the Trinidad loss.

Bernard got blasted out in less than a round by a nobody from Spain. By the time this fight is signed sealed and delivered, this will be his second fight since the Kiko disaster.

Will he have gone any length to clearing the stench of that night? Not at all. He's off facing smaller men, non punchers and chinny dudes alike. Semi-retired flyweights wearing bigger gloves.

Thats my problem. Bernard talks a lot of sh!t, he actually comes across to me as being a really thick c*nt, but he backs off at the same time. He called Kiko a "one hit wonder" and it fails to dawn on him that HE was the HIT! He allowed Kiko and his fans to walk in, lay a fortune, make a fortune, and just walk off.

Where's the Kiko rematch?

Ben is full of toss, and so are his people. Of course, I'll watch him, its free and I am fight fan, and a real fight fan will watch any fight. But I'll never buy a ticket for him, until he faces a real threat.

Big Ears

Hero Of College wrote: »

People may think I am anti-Dunne, so I'll try and give my perspective a little better. One of the first things ODLH tried to do after the Trinidad fight was to erase the stench of the manner in which he lost to Trinidad.

Hence, he fought Mosley, and fought him in a particularly aggressive fashion. He lost, just.....but people gave him great credit for his efforts. The Mosley fight was his 2nd after the Trinidad loss.

Bernard got blasted out in less than a round by a nobody from Spain. By the time this fight is signed sealed and delivered, this will be his second fight since the Kiko disaster.

Will he have gone any length to clearing the stench of that night? Not at all. He's off facing smaller men, non punchers and chinny dudes alike. Semi-retired flyweights wearing bigger gloves.

Thats my problem. Bernard talks a lot of sh!t, he actually comes across to me as being a really thick c*nt, but he backs off at the same time. He called Kiko a "one hit wonder" and it fails to dawn on him that HE was the HIT! He allowed Kiko and his fans to walk in, lay a fortune, make a fortune, and just walk off.

Where's the Kiko rematch?

Ben is full of toss, and so are his people. Of course, I'll watch him, its free and I am fight fan, and a real fight fan will watch any fight. But I'll never buy a ticket for him, until he faces a real threat.

While I understand what you are saying, and while Dunne's team did initially decline a return with Martinez(although that was just after the defeat) , Martinez is now mandatory for the European title and I'm not sure his team would risk that position without a lot of cash being on the table .

Dunne took a long 8 months out after the Martinez defeat . But this fight will only be 3 months after the Machado fight . Machado actually proved to be a very decent opponent for that comeback fight and proved to have more left that most thought . Machado was a lot bigger than a Featherweight too . He started his career at Bantamweight and after losing a World title shot he drained his way down to Super-Flyweight where he became a champion . As soon as he lost his belt(and then the rematch) he moved back up to Bantamweight and at 5'7 with a decent build he wasn't exactly too small .

Anyway considering it is just 3 months later the Marchiano fight isn't a bad one , especially if Dunne is to fight twice more in the next 6-8 months .
Bar Kiko , who's team I feel would actually be reluctant for a rematch in their current position who would people like to see Dunne fight ?..........and no one say Munroe because Frank Maloney is actively avoiding that fight till he has to make it .

Hero Of College

Agreed.


Bernard has the style to beat anyone that doesn't have the punch to upset him or knock him out of his rhythm. Its not like he can't beat Kiko. Ironically, he believed in his own nonsense, the nonsense I argue against, and that had as much to do with his being beat as anything else.

I think he can take Munroe and indeed he could take Kiko, if he just runs for the first 3 rounds and boxes safely.

But coming on TV and dismissing Kiko was just plain stupid.

Lets see how he does on the 12th.

Honestly, I'd watch two dogs fight. I'm happy there are shows on TV. It would be nice if they cut the crap from time to time, though.

sston

I think this is as good that can be expected from Dunne at the moment. He clearly looked short on confidence against Machado last time out so he's clearly not ready for a real world rated opponent. Then again maybe he never will be.

I've sympathy for him as the super bantamweight division at world level is probably the most underrated and strongest divison in world boxing. There are no weak champions to target. I'd still gove him a good shout against Munroe but there are no indications that it's close to happening. Munroe will almost certainly defend against the winner of Friday night's British title clash between Pickering and Marsh and he also has a mandatory defence against Kiko Martinez to get through assuming Martinez can make the weight again.

In the meantime Dunne will have to bide his time with fights like this. Maybe after this it would be good for him to go back to the States for one fight maybe on a Duddy undercard or something like that becuase realistically he'll do well to get a shot at the European title before the year is out.

For all the stick he gets on here though it's worth remembering that only for Dunne coming back we would almsot certainly not have regular pro boxing back in Ireland so he deserves credit for that. Up until then McCloskey was languishing on Warren's cards in the U.K. with zero exposure, there was no mention of Duddy coming home to fight and Lee was still weighing up his options in terms of the pros v amateurs.

In fact would there be more than a handful talking about boxing on here if it wasn't back in the limelight courtesy of the regular tv exposure here.

Sure RTE are over hyping it but they need to do that to get the viewers, look at their attempts to make Eircom league soccer fashionable with their Monday Night Soccer effort, it's the same thing.

If RTE aren't getting the viewers then they will drop boxing and it will be back to the dark ages with all our best and brightest looking to build their careers abroad. Obviously though the viewing figures must be good if TV3 are now getting on board as well. Long may it continue I say.

joepenguin

I'm actually looking forward to going to see this now! Was annoyed when Macklin was taken off the card becuase i bought tickets as it was a double header and Gibbs was a threat.
When it comes down to it, Marchiano is a fighter in his prime, who has fought and lost against world class opposition very recently, and is presumably is a level below Dunne(just about, hard to tell based on records and opponents).
He doesnt have a high ko% and fights at bantamweight, but has a strong chin and leaves alot of openings. That makes him a perfect opponent for Dunne, as it should be a comptitive 10 rounds and if he wins, he knows he can go on and step it up a notch/ go for the European belt, or if need be take on another credible opponent.

T-K-O

Looking forward to this fight...

Dunne IMO is the best super ban in Europe. If he used his head against Kiko he would have easily won the decision. He would also beat Munroe. The Munroe V kiko fight was awful. Randell blocked and jabbed his way to victory smart but very boring and he didnt have to skill to do anything else.

Big Ears

T-K-O wrote: »

Looking forward to this fight...

Dunne IMO is the best super ban in Europe. If he used his head against Kiko he would have easily won the decision. He would also beat Munroe. The Munroe V kiko fight was awful. Randell blocked and jabbed his way to victory smart but very boring and he didnt have to skill to do anything else.

Munroe is much more skillful than he showeed against Martinez , he was forced to keep to that tight gameplan of staying out of range a lot and when coming into range throw a few light straight punches and back out . Munroe is capable throwing good quality hooks and uppercuts with either hand and can put much more behind that straight right but he couldn't risk it against Martinez .

Munroe felt Martinez power early(possibly the best thing that could have happened Munroe) and it kept him cautious throughout , anytime he got a little braver he was clipped and went back to the gameplan as he couldn't handle Martinez's power .

cowzerp

Hero Of College wrote: »

People may think I am anti-Dunne, so I'll try and give my perspective a little better.

Bernard got blasted out in less than a round by a nobody from Spain..

Clearly Anti Dunne.

Im not sticking up for Dunne but Martinez was unbeaten as an amateur and pro, The amateur part been the bit that is most impressive as you cant coast through amateur fights, certainly not a nobody just because you did not know him!

T-K-O

Dunne was way to cocky and took his eye off the ball against Kiko. Kiko is a dangerous opponent but someone who can also be beating easily with the correct tactics.

Munroe nullified kiko with ease. With Dunne's boxing abilities he would also have been able to do this even more impressively.

Big Ears

T-K-O wrote: »

Dunne was way to cocky and took his eye off the ball against Kiko. Kiko is a dangerous opponent but someone who can also be beating easily with the correct tactics.

Munroe nullified kiko with ease. With Dunne's boxing abilities he would also have been able to do this even more impressively.

+1 , Kiko isn't the greatest boxer in the World but his power is for real imo and when you've someone like Dunne(who we all agree has a suspect/weak chin) getting caught stupidly by Kiko it's going to have an effect .

T-K-O

Big Ears wrote: »

+1 , Kiko isn't the greatest boxer in the World but his power is for real imo and when you've someone like Dunne(who we all agree has a suspect/weak chin) getting caught stupidly by Kiko it's going to have an effect .

For sure Kiko can bang but the guy is very limited. Ref: Munroe fight.

Dunne fought like an idiot and to be fair got what he deserved.

IMO all these Europeans would struggle at world level. But I would give Dunne the best chance due to his superior ability.

walshb

cowzerp wrote: »

Clearly Anti Dunne.

Im not sticking up for Dunne but Martinez was unbeaten as an amateur and pro, The amateur part been the bit that is most impressive as you cant coast through amateur fights, certainly not a nobody just because you did not know him!

Paul, as you know; I am certainly not anti Dunne or anti any Irish fighter; but why is it that when someone criticises a fighters ability and points to areas where that fighter, in their opinion, falls short; they are then seen as anti that fighter?. I like Dunne; but as a fighter I believe he is not even average. I can't help that; I see what I see. He has all the moves, style, rhythm, balance and a lovely technique; but he is simply missing the most important qualities that a pro needs, a chin, stamina, decent punch and real real heart.
That is not anti Dunne; it is IMO; hard facts and if Dunne was my own flesh and blood; I would still have that opinion of his credentials

And the Kiko loss was not a flash in the pan or one off; it was as blatant a case of China Chin that there ever could be; and I still believe that those shots landed weren't
absolute crackers. Bernard has been shaken numerous times from weak hitters

cowzerp

Bren, My point is that Martinez was not some nobody! he was unbeaten in the amateurs, thats impressive and at the time unbeaten in the pro's, this is not to be sneezed at. Saying he's a nobody because he never saw him is more slagging Dunne than anything, what spanish boxers do we know before they win titles anyway?

judging dunne by this loss is a bad way of judging him, basing it on the things you say he's lacking is a fair point.

Hero Of College

cowzerp wrote: »

Clearly Anti Dunne.

Im not sticking up for Dunne but Martinez was unbeaten as an amateur and pro, The amateur part been the bit that is most impressive as you cant coast through amateur fights, certainly not a nobody just because you did not know him!

Like Joe Calzaghe.

Big Ears

Hero Of College wrote: »

Like Joe Calzaghe.

he actually lost 3 times in the ams but was a very acomplished amatuer and would have gone on to the Olympics if not for Politics involved with the Welsh ABA . He actually stopped Chris Byrd the same year Byrd won a Silver Medal at the Olympics .

walshb

Fair point Paul; but all we have to go on is this claim that he was unbeaten in the amateurs. That's all, we don't even know at what level, what titles he won, did he represent Spain etc etc. "He is unbeaten as an amateur". That's pretty vague to be honest. He then loses the title on his first defence to Munroe. Now Munroe is hardly world class is he?

He was also unbetaen in the pros and we all know the tomato cans he beat; just check boxrec and see their combined records, it's embarrassing.

Records and stats only tell half the story, the other half is what we see and this is so true
when you look at Dunne. Most looking at Dunne's padded pro record before Kiko would think he was very special; but I never did; because I looked past the records and judged Bernard on what I saw in the ring and who he was beating...

And I hate to say it, because he's a good Irish lad, but Dunne IMO is below average...

akindoc

sston wrote: »

For all the stick he gets on here though it's worth remembering that only for Dunne coming back we would almsot certainly not have regular pro boxing back in Ireland so he deserves credit for that. Up until then McCloskey was languishing on Warren's cards in the U.K. with zero exposure, there was no mention of Duddy coming home to fight and Lee was still weighing up his options in terms of the pros v amateurs.

In fact would there be more than a handful talking about boxing on here if it wasn't back in the limelight courtesy of the regular tv exposure here.

Sure RTE are over hyping it but they need to do that to get the viewers, look at their attempts to make Eircom league soccer fashionable with their Monday Night Soccer effort, it's the same thing.

If RTE aren't getting the viewers then they will drop boxing and it will be back to the dark ages with all our best and brightest looking to build their careers abroad. Obviously though the viewing figures must be good if TV3 are now getting on board as well. Long may it continue I say.

This cannot be disputed.

And the Dunne boxing fights are FAMILY ENTERTAINMENT, cheering on the irish, so it's to be fully expected that RTE act the way they do.

Dunne has done great stuff for Irish boxing and it may be because of him that we get our next big stars coming up so you can only applaud him for that.

walshb

I agree that Dunne has put bums on seats and bums on couches watching RTE, and I have no problem with that; as I too watch it. Where I see a problem is the over exaggeration of the event and claims from those supposedly in the know, that we are being treated to world class action; when they know it's not true. That is not right

alanceltic

walshb wrote: »

I am certainly not anti Dunne

Dont be tellin porkies now, your anti-dunne rants have been well documented in the past, I can dig up some of your old quotes if you would like to go over old ground but we all know you dont want to go there.

With the exception of the Martinez fight dunne has only tasted the canvas twice in 24 fights, one was a thundering shot by Yuri Voronin who caught him sweet as a pea and the other was a flash knockdown by Adrian Valdez... This hardly gets him glass chin of the year folks. The Martinez fight was an error of judgement and bad tactics rather than having a poor chin... anyway sorry walshb you can now feel free to resume your anti dunne rants, although I do note some softening on your opinions about Dunne, must be coz u were sure he didnt have the heart to get back in the ring after the Martinez fight...

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

I agree that Dunne has put bums on seats and bums on couches watching RTE, and I have no problem with that; as I too watch it. Where I see a problem is the over exaggeration of the event and claims from those supposedly in the know, that we are being treated to world class action; when they know it's not true. That is not right

Jimmy Magee telling everyone [name of opponent to Irish boxer] is World Class is something RTÉ shouldn't be doing , but we all know why they do it and tbh it's not all that different than what HBO do when they want to build up a fighter to become a ppv star . Lies and half truths are commonplace in boxing .


However there was something World Class about Dunne and his fights, and that's the entertainment . I also posted links on boxing forums to coverage of Dunne's fights and the reception of the fights was always fantastic . I remember a few people even suggested Dunne v Reidar Walstad was fight of the year(so far in the year) . Now if we remember that was a very one sided fight but Dunne still made it terrifically enjoyable and even RTÉ helped to drum up the sense of occasion about the fight and that what we are watching is significant to us .


'He has all the moves, style, rhythm, balance and a lovely technique; but he is simply missing the most important qualities that a pro needs, a chin, stamina, decent punch and real real heart.'

All criticisms there are more than justified bar the last . When has Dunne ever shown a lack of heart ?, okay we've all heard the stories since the Martinez fight but when have we actually seen this in the ring ?

The only times I've seen him need to show heart was against Voronin , where he pulled through and Martinez, where his heart pulled through(he met fire with fire despite being totally outgunned and out of it) but his chin didn't .

The fact that he did come back and faced what actually turned out to be a better fighter than his 2 European defences in his first fight back and that his next fight is only 3 months later tells us that he is still hungry .

Does Dunne lack chin,power and stamina ?........sure , heart ? , not imo and there is nothing to suggest the contrary .

btw alanceltic Dunne wasn't given a count against Voronin , even though the ropes kept him up .


This may be of interest to some:http://www.boxing-monthly.co.uk/content/0310/one.htm
It's an article by Steve Bunce(you've been warned hero ) about Bernard Dunne and Brian Peters from 5 years ago .

T-K-O

Just a few points on Dunne.

1. You can't blame him for the tripe RTE speak about during the coverage.
2. A KO to a legitimate power puncher is hardly a glass chin. I don't rate Kiko BUT he would KO the best of them given the chance. Dunne gave him that chance.
3. Below average is just ridiculous. Dunne has to the tools to take Kiko to school for 12 rounds just like he did to pickering.
4. No heart - that is laughable. He displayed incredible heart to stay on his feet against Voronin.

As I have always said Dunne is more than capable at Euro level, I would have concerns at world level. Guys like Marquez, De Leon, and the new kid on the block Lopez.

cowzerp

alanceltic wrote: »

Dont be tellin porkies now, your anti-dunne rants have been well documented in the past, I can dig up some of your old quotes if you would like to go over old ground but we all know you dont want to go there.

In fairness to (Bren, walshb) i dont think he's anti Dunne, but i think he simply does not rate him at all, thats fair enough, i,ve been to nearly all his fights and do rate his abilities as world clss but his weaknesses are obvious and too great to mke him a world class fighter unfortunately.

1st is power, at that weight he's none, 2nd is his crappy defense-keep your hands up, and 3rd is his seemingly lack of real stamina, this is part of why his chin is suspect! stamina and chin go hand in hand!
Heart, personally i think he hs hart and has battled past his lack of stamina on a few occasions and did try to gight on v Martinez in fairness.

megadodge

I don't think Walshb is anti-Dunne (although calling him "below average" is silly - even "average" fighters don't win European titles).

Long before Martinez appeared on the scene, both Walshb and myself were expressing doubts about Dunne's chin and stamina. I still stand by those opinions and I like Dunne a lot.

No matter how you dress it up, Bernard Dunne has a bad chin !!

His stamina (while improved) is also still quite suspect.

Ally these to the fact that he doesn't have a serious punch with which to hold off those willing to test his iffy chin and you have a fighter who I very much doubt will ever win a world title, particularly in such a strong, deep division.

Dunne has been very good for boxing in Ireland though. Interest in boxing is probably at an all-time high in Ireland right now and regular coverage of pro boxing on RTE is something I never thought I'd see, so we, as boxing fans, should be thankful for this, but it still doesn't change the fact that Dunne has found his level.

joker77

I'm a fan of Dunne, have been following his career since I bumped into him in the Olympus gym in Capel street where I used to train, he'd just turned pro and was back from the States for Christmas holidays.

But after watching so much of him, I think his level is top European, rather than World. He can definitely win back the European belt, and hold onto it this time. If he does that he'll get his World Title shot, but sadly I don't think he'll have enough.

What I really think Bernard Dunne needs, and what most people don't seem to realise, is a nutritionist. His skin looks terrible, he's so pale he's almost see-through, and he needs to build up some muscle. To do this, he needs to be eating the right foods. I'm not talking about bulking up to bring him up the weight classes, I'm just taking about sensible eating + conditioning. Hatton finally copped on, probably when it was too late, and he's able to maintain his natural weight but get stronger. This is what Dunne needs to do.

cowzerp

joker77 wrote: »

What I really think Bernard Dunne needs, and what most people don't seem to realise, is a nutritionist. His skin looks terrible, he's so pale he's almost see-through, and he needs to build up some muscle. To do this, he needs to be eating the right foods. I'm not talking about bulking up to bring him up the weight classes, I'm just taking about sensible eating + conditioning. Hatton finally copped on, probably when it was too late, and he's able to maintain his natural weight but get stronger. This is what Dunne needs to do.

Dunne's that skinny because he's fighting at a weight that he's very tall at, 5,7" at 54kg is tall, at amateur he was 57kg and looked healthier and had a better punch even at the higher weight, i also believe the low weight affects his stamina and chin! as he was not known for been weak or having a bad chin.

if dunne was to gain any muscle he would have to gain weight as he has very little fat to lose, if he gained 1kg of muscle he'd have to lose 1kg of fat to stay the same weight, he could not do this!

PS, Hatton was always strong but hs not got stronger recently!

joker77

Maybe Dunne needs to move up 1 weight class then. He's just too skinny, it's not healthy and would definitely be affecting his stamina

Hero Of College

Big Ears wrote: »

he actually lost 3 times in the ams but was a very acomplished amatuer and would have gone on to the Olympics if not for Politics involved with the Welsh ABA . He actually stopped Chris Byrd the same year Byrd won a Silver Medal at the Olympics .

I know he lost but I was just saying that Cowzerps big love of Bernard is derived from how little he's lost- well Joe Cal has lost even less!!! Yet he hates Joe!!

cowzerp

Hero Of College wrote: »

I know he lost but I was just saying that Cowzerps big love of Bernard is derived from how little he's lost- well Joe Cal has lost even less!!! Yet he hates Joe!!

Are you bleedin brain dead? i dont have a big love of Bernard!
i like him because 1 he's from dublin 2, he's Irish and 3, i watched his whole amateur career and know he's talented, 4,i know him through this.

i was talking about Kiko been unbeaten, you keep taking everything wrong, do you actually read the posts! and joe is unbeaten because he's fought no one and i dont hate him, i hate his style or lack of it.

ps, now your back tracking about joe losing as an amateur and trying to change it onto me instead! you where wrong.

Judomad

cowzerp wrote: »

Are you bleedin brain dead? i dont have a big love of Bernard!
i like him because 1 he's from dublin 2, he's Irish and 3, i watched his whole amateur career and know he's talented, 4,i know him through this.

i was talking about Kiko been unbeaten, you keep taking everything wrong, do you actually read the posts! and joe is unbeaten because he's fought no one and i dont hate him, i hate his style or lack of it.

ps, now your back tracking about joe losing as an amateur and trying to change it onto me instead! you where wrong.

this headcase loser of college or whatever his name is seems to just be a troll....i recall him moaning about having to pay 100quid to see dunne fight and that he wouldnt do it, im sure hes just an armchair boxing fan so i wouldnt take him too seriously cowzerp, ah well, what would boards be without the odd muppet here and there talking sh!te, awwwwwww i miss dylan hahahaha

T-K-O

joker77 wrote: »

I'm a fan of Dunne, have been following his career since I bumped into him in the Olympus gym in Capel street where I used to train, he'd just turned pro and was back from the States for Christmas holidays.

But after watching so much of him, I think his level is top European, rather than World. He can definitely win back the European belt, and hold onto it this time. If he does that he'll get his World Title shot, but sadly I don't think he'll have enough.

What I really think Bernard Dunne needs, and what most people don't seem to realise, is a nutritionist. His skin looks terrible, he's so pale he's almost see-through, and he needs to build up some muscle. To do this, he needs to be eating the right foods. I'm not talking about bulking up to bring him up the weight classes, I'm just taking about sensible eating + conditioning. Hatton finally copped on, probably when it was too late, and he's able to maintain his natural weight but get stronger. This is what Dunne needs to do.

He's Irish - We are pale.

But I do agree Dunne needs to train more on the strength side of things.

Ben is tall for the weight but how tall is De Leon ??

Also what do you guys think about his whole management team?

Personally I think he would benefit from a world class proven trainer.

Hero Of College

cowzerp wrote: »

Are you bleedin brain dead? i dont have a big love of Bernard!
i like him because 1 he's from dublin 2, he's Irish and 3, i watched his whole amateur career and know he's talented, 4,i know him through this.

i was talking about Kiko been unbeaten, you keep taking everything wrong, do you actually read the posts! and joe is unbeaten because he's fought no one and i dont hate him, i hate his style or lack of it.

ps, now your back tracking about joe losing as an amateur and trying to change it onto me instead! you where wrong.

The state of this lad.........

Bernard is sh!te...and Joe owns him. Dubs can't fight, or spell.

T-K-O

Hero Of College wrote: »

The state of this lad.........

Bernard is sh!te...and Joe owns him. Dubs can't fight, or spell.

Erroneous.

Hero Of College

T-K-O wrote: »

Erroneous.

Just winding the troll up.

T-K-O

Hero Of College wrote: »

Just winding the troll up.

That's allowed. I haven't identified them yet!!

How many post before I can get myself a sig????

walshb

Big ears, you are saying that there is something world class about Dunne's fights? Are you serious, complete mismatches where Bernard struggles. That to me is a con; not world class. Walstad was useless, Pickering, useless; Voronin, useless; Machado, useless and so on and so on. You cannot dispute what you see and anyone who thinks Dunne is close on world class is seriously lacking. I'd absolute love; and I mean love it if Dunne were world class; I'm always proud when Ireland does well in boxing; but I'd be blatantly lying if I were to say Dunne is above average or close to world class.

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

Big ears, you are saying that there is something world class about Dunne's fights? Are you serious, complete mismatches where Bernard struggles. That to me is a con; not world class. Walstad was useless, Pickering, useless; Voronin, useless; Machado, useless and so on and so on. You cannot dispute what you see and anyone who thinks Dunne is close on world class is seriously lacking. I'd absolute love; and I mean love it if Dunne were world class; I'm always proud when Ireland does well in boxing; but I'd be blatantly lying if I were to say Dunne is above average or close to world class.

I have said many time that Dunne IMO is the best Euro at his weight, the guys you mention above where all contenders at euro level. I would also be skeptical about Dunne at world level.

But to me being the best in Europe is above average.

walshb

As for Heart; if you want to see real heart, watch Lee's loss to Vera.
After Vera really unloaded and wobbled and hurt Lee; Andy roared back and gave it his absolute all and hung in right till the end. Dunne was blasted out in 90 secs and against Voronin, he basically clung for life. Both Kiko and Voronin don't compare to Vera in the middles, as comparisons go

If you watch Dunne V Kiko; after the first KD, Dunne parades around the ring, hands low and chin in the air; pure silly arrogance; as well as mouthing to the ref complaining of the count.

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

I have said many time that Dunne IMO is the best Euro at his weight, the guys you mention above where all contenders at euro level. I would also be skeptical about Dunne at world level.

But to me being the best in Europe is above average.

That all depends on what a person considers Euro level or world level; and we all know that the world standards have dropped considerably of late. Maybe in this current weakened era, Dunne is Euro level, MAYBE I add; but even though the world level isn't what it used to be; there's no way in hell I'd rate him as a world beater.

By the way, if you want to get technical; then Dunee isn't even the best in Europe. Kiko and Munroe are two names ahead of him; and I'm sure there are more

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

As for Heart; if you want to see real heart, watch Lee's loss to Vera.
After Vera really unloaded and wobbled and hurt Lee; Andy roared back and gave it his absolute all and hung in right till the end. Dunne was blasted out in 90 secs and against Voronin, he basically clung for life. Both Kiko and Voronin don't compare to Vera in the middles, as comparisons go

If you watch Dunne V Kiko; after the first KD, Dunne parades around the ring, hands low and chin in the air; pure silly arrogance; as well as mouthing to the ref complaining of the count.

Silly comparison - you can always find examples of how guys who came back strong. For example Danny Williams dislocated his shoulder and could only box with one hand he KO the guy. Has he the biggest heart in boxing?

Me thinks not.

That's right Lee was hurt and came back strong - Dunne was almost Ko'ed against Voronin and with the fight almost over clinching was the smart move.

In the Kiko fight Dunne was finished after the first knock down - he didn't know the year let alone have the sense to box on.

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

That all depends on what a person considers Euro level or world level; and we all know that the world standards have dropped considerably of late. Maybe in this current weakened era, Dunne is Euro level, MAYBE I add; but even though the world level isn't what it used to be; there's no way in hell I'd rate him as a world beater.

By the way, if you want to get technical; then Dunee isn't even the best in Europe. Kiko and Munroe are two names ahead of him; and I'm sure there are more

IMO he is the best in Europe the best is not always the champion. I would pick him to beat Munroe and Kiko.

And I don't buy into the whole boxing is weak, maybe some divisions I.E the HW.

Welter, lightweight and even super ban are all really competitive.