How can I start a thread on the Waterford forum...

Stinger-bar

...without it being closed and me being banned?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055318779

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055318947

And I started this thread in an attempt to have a discussion about the topic

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055319062

Three locked threads and a ban. Come on...

javaboy

Your first thread was locked because it looked like spam and was descending into a slagging match (which you were partly to blame for).

You're other threads were questioning a mod's decision. That's for feedback, helpdesk or PM so they were locked and you were banned (probably for twice questioning a mod in the wrong place).

Your tone and attitude seems pretty confrontational too.

AlmightyCushion

Lol. That is all.

Sully

Finally. How many times do you have to be told where to go with these topics? Ban upgraded to a month for continuously ignoring my requests.

This Thread was closed because it wasn't going anywhere. People didn't like the thread and were calling you a spammer/blatant advertising etc. I didn't really agree, and asked for other mods to review the thread and decide what course of action I should take. In the end, I closed it due to that response to the other posters in the thread. No need to start an argument about Waterford people lad, its just going to end up in a flamewar with everyone at each others throats.

This Thread was closed because it was again bitching at the Waterford People and insulting ("Get a Life"). The thread title served little purpose to the thread as it had very little to do with me. But that bit at the start that did, was for Feedback and not for the Waterford Forum. It got locked and I stated clearly in the thread why. It was that simple.

This Thread was a repeat of the other two threads, where I asked you to stop. You didnt stop and decided to post your comments anyway. You got banned, initaly for two weeks to calm down. A PM was sent to you about the ban.

This Thread was yet again ANOTHER ****ing retarded topic. Again, ignored all my warnings and messages. Somehow the ban didnt apply the last time and you got to post again. Ban increased to one month.

Have some cop on.

ShoulderChip

the only problem is Sully seems to do this all the time, no one can catch a break in that forum.

Sherifu

ShoulderChip wrote: »

the only problem is Sully seems to do this all the time, no one can catch a break in that forum.

Sully

ShoulderChip wrote: »

the only problem is Sully seems to do this all the time, no one can catch a break in that forum.

If you read the charter and general Boards rules, there would be no banning or topic closures. If you ignore the instructions from a mod continuously, who is generous not to ban those who breach the charter/board rules instantly, expect to get banned.

longshanks

how dare you shoulderchip, how dare you have an opinion. you do know if your opinion conflicts with that of the moderator its automatically wrong, dont you? not just a difference of opinion

Sully

longshanks wrote: »

how dare you shoulderchip, how dare you have an opinion. you do know if your opinion conflicts with that of the moderator its automatically wrong, dont you? not just a difference of opinion

Well said shanks, well said!

Stinger-bar

Ok...so basically don't say anything bad about waterford people or you'll be banned. (By the way, I'm born and bred in waterford)

First thread was closed because of other people's reaction to it - How does that make any sense, and why is it my fault? They accused me of spamming - I wasn't. Regardless, it was locked.

I started another thread to try and get some answers because seriously, how fair was it. I understand that if you question the all powerful mods people won't like you and you'll be fighting a losing battle...but hey, I'll carry on regardless. OF course that was locked too because people didn't like what i was saying about waterford. So, another lock.

I genuinely wanted to have a discussion about this topic so I started another thread which I thought would be fine and get some debate going. Guess what, locked.

So at this point I'm banned for commiting these heinous crimes...but I was confused and I genuinely wanted to know how to start a thread on this subject without it being locked. I pm'd you and got no response (or replied to the infraction, I dunno if you get them or not, I presume you do) So for some assistance I asked how I could go about starting a thread on this subject without it being locked. Well that was locked too and my ban has been upgraded to a month because I finally went to feedback (like you had been asking me to)

Curious.

Sully

Stinger-bar wrote: »

Ok...so basically don't say anything bad about waterford people or you'll be banned. (By the way, I'm born and bred in waterford)

There are ways and means of approaching such topics, you didn't approach it appropriately at all.

First thread was closed because of other people's reaction to it - How does that make any sense, and why is it my fault? They accused me of spamming - I wasn't. Regardless, it was locked.

I never accused you of spamming - I don't think you did spam. It was closed for a different reason altogether. See my response earlier.

I started another thread to try and get some answers because seriously, how fair was it. I understand that if you question the all powerful mods people won't like you and you'll be fighting a losing battle...but hey, I'll carry on regardless. OF course that was locked too because people didn't like what i was saying about waterford. So, another lock.

It was locked for a reason : Such topics go to FEEDBACK! But, being a nice person I am I just said to go to feedback and left you be.

I genuinely wanted to have a discussion about this topic so I started another thread which I thought would be fine and get some debate going. Guess what, locked.

So, "Ah **** the rules of how the site works, Ill do what I want and when I want"? Topic locked for same reason as the previous topic. See above.

So at this point I'm banned for commiting these heinous crimes...but I was confused and I genuinely wanted to know how to start a thread on this subject without it being locked.

Well if you took note, I told you twice how to create such a topic. You didn't. Wtf do you want me to do?

I pm'd you and got no response (or replied to the infraction, I dunno if you get them or not, I presume you do)

No PM as of yet anyway.

So for some assistance I asked how I could go about starting a thread on this subject without it being locked. Well that was locked too and my ban has been upgraded to a month because I finally went to feedback (like you had been asking me to)

Curious.

The thread that got you banned for a month was the same as the rest of the topics that I closed on you. You ignore each and every post where I told you to go create the topic and as a result got a two week ban upgraded to a month.

longshanks

how dare you stinger-bar, how dare you have an opinion. you do know if your opinion conflicts with that of the moderator its automatically wrong, dont you? not just a difference of opinion
_____

kensutz

Sherifu wrote: »

+1

Stinger-bar

Methinks my join date and post count may have a lot to do with this lack of tolerance by the mod. Anyway, I think it's obvious for everyone to see what went on here so I'll leave it at that.

Sully

Stinger-bar wrote: »

Methinks my join date and post count may have a lot to do with this lack of tolerance by the mod.

Honestly, wtf are you on about? Your post count and join date hasn't came into any of my reasons for banning you at all. If you were here since the site was created and had the highest post count on boards you would still have been banned. On any forum for that matter.

Anyway, I think it's obvious for everyone to see what went on here so I'll leave it at that.

Thank You.

Aquos76

Oh no not another sully bashing thread. How many more of these are there going to be. In fairness, it clearly looks like you were banned for having an opinion ok.

longshanks

yes, in waterford we are told what our opinions are. saves us the bother of thinking

Sully

Please enlighten me as to what opinions I banned people for having? Please? As yet, nobody has ever managed to backup that claim. Ever.

Aquos76

Stinger bar went off on one about disliking Waterford as a place, which he is quite entitled to do, his opinion and all of that. Because his opinions offended a few people his thread was locked which in turn led to him getting warnings from you and then that lead to his banning.

Sully

Stinger is more then entitled to express his opinions and being honest, I agree with a lot of what he said in that topic. The problem is, the way he said it. He was pissed of with people calling him a spammer and created that post and those topics as a delibrate attempt to piss people of and start an argument. Hence the term "flamebait".

If he just stood back and complained about it in Feedback (about the moderation and not being permitted to "express an opinion") there would have been no ban. He went on and on without getting banned, then he was banned for a very short while but kept it up and got the ban increased to a month.

Ban deserved. Opinion expressed still there, but closed as it was delibrate attempt to start an argument over people from Waterford who called him a spammer.

Rb

Sully wrote: »

Stinger is more then entitled to express his opinions and being honest, I agree with a lot of what he said in that topic. The problem is, the way he said it. He was pissed of with people calling him a spammer and created that post and those topics as a delibrate attempt to piss people of and start an argument. Hence the term "flamebait".

That's how I read it anyway.

Poor Sully, they just won't leave ya alone

ShoulderChip

Rb wrote: »

That's how I read it anyway.

Poor Sully, they just won't leave ya alone

hey its very hard to take from our point of view too.

RoundyMooney

What the fuck is it with ye Deise malcontents?

The guy was told to take a feedback issue to, um, Feedback, and because he didn't he got a ban.

I was one of the mods who recommended this course of action.

stinger-bar may be a dick, or he may be the soundest bloke going. I don't know.

What I do know is, he acted the dick on both that thread and subsequent ones, and he 'aint the first to do so on that bloody forum.

Therefore, it was time to draw a line in the sand.

If you people want a mature and commonsense place to discuss regional issues, for the love of fuck cop yourselves on and behave like adults.

If you don't, then try and get over the trauma of having your access to an internet forum removed.

Google contact info for the Samaritans if you have to.

Dub13

Stinger-bar,I think you need to relax and come back to the forum with a clear head when your ban is up.The world nor Boards.ie are not against you,to me looking at it you reacted badly to been called a spammer.

Your thread bitching about Waterford and its People may make a good thread but its not a great idea to start it straight after a thread of yours is closed were it looks like you were spamming.This is trolling and what do you think Sully is going to do only close the thread.

Aquos76

I would have to agree with you Dub13 on the thread about "Waterford compared to other counties" It has the potential to be a decent enough thread. Would it be posible to get it reopened.

Chochese

Aquos76 wrote: »

I would have to agree with you Dub13 on the thread about "Waterford compared to other counties" It has the potential to be a decent enough thread. Would it be posible to get it reopened.

+1

ShoulderChip

Aquos76 wrote: »

I would have to agree with you Dub13 on the thread about "Waterford compared to other counties" It has the potential to be a decent enough thread. Would it be posible to get it reopened.

+1

Stinger-bar

To be honest Dub, no matter when I would have started it, it would have been closed. It's very easy to seem like you have an attitude problem on this forum because let's face it, the odds are against you from the start. Look at all the above, the threads and the closures etc - and a month ban? Does it make sense to you or anyone? Conversations and debate need to be allowed to rise to a certain level of heat, otherwise they're just moderated to the point of boredom.

I remember taking part in a similar competition to battle of the businesses in Wexford last year, a midweek thing, and I remember thinking how hard it would be to make something like that work in the midweek ghost town that is waterford. Of course I was annoyed at being called a spammer, but as well as that there was the typical begrudging comments that annoyed me in the first place....students gone, how cheeky of masons to try and drum up some other business. To be honest, apart from the obvious benefits it would have for masons, I think they're doing a good thing for the town...we need mroe visitors to leave and talk about the good and exciting time they had in Waterford.

Anyway, this is feedback so I guess I shouldn't be talking about that here. I annoyed the mod because I acted like someone that a mod should probably ban, and let's face it, Sully is the weakest mod on these boards so constant closures and bans were inevitable.

Stinger-bar

Stinger-bar wrote: »

To be honest Dub, no matter when I would have started it, it would have been closed. It's very easy to seem like you have an attitude problem on this forum because let's face it, the odds are against you from the start. Look at all the above, the threads and the closures etc - and a month ban? Does it make sense to you or anyone? Conversations and debate need to be allowed to rise to a certain level of heat, otherwise they're just moderated to the point of boredom.

I remember taking part in a similar competition to battle of the businesses in Wexford last year, a midweek thing, and I remember thinking how hard it would be to make something like that work in the midweek ghost town that is waterford. Of course I was annoyed at being called a spammer, but as well as that there was the typical begrudging comments that annoyed me in the first place....students gone, how cheeky of masons to try and drum up some other business. To be honest, apart from the obvious benefits it would have for masons, I think they're doing a good thing for the town...we need mroe visitors to leave and talk about the good and exciting time they had in Waterford.

Anyway, this is feedback so I guess I shouldn't be talking about that here. I annoyed the mod because I acted like someone that a mod should probably ban, and let's face it, Sully is the weakest mod on these boards so constant closures and bans were inevitable.

you acted like a prat - so you can't complain now.

next time don't post like a dick and you won't get banned.

Stinger-bar

i don't think I acted like a prick or posted like a dick...that's just your opinion.

javaboy

Stinger-bar wrote: »

i don't think I acted like a prick or posted like a dick...that's just your opinion.

It's my opinion too. I don't think you are a dick fwiw.

Stinger-bar

Well that's more than two people who think that I acted like a prick so if I did it was definitely a heat of the moment thing and I can only apologise for that.

rogue-entity

ShoulderChip wrote: »

the only problem is Sully seems to do this all the time, no one can catch a break in that forum.

You wouldn't be the first person to criticise Sully for being heavy handed.

longshanks wrote: »

yes, in waterford we are told what our opinions are. saves us the bother of thinking

See, whats the problem, it makes life easier for everyone

Sully

rogue-entity wrote: »

You wouldn't be the first person to criticise Sully for being heavy handed.

Nor will he be the last. Nobody likes rules being enforced - and they complain when they are, and then when there not. We cant keep everyone happy!

Only a small few complaints have been issued about me, and I think each and everyone has been solved sucesfully.


Stinger-bar; Im prepared to reduce the ban back to two weeks on the basis of that apology and agreement to stick to the site and forum rules. Ill re-open the topic on Waterford if nobody has objections. Hows that?

Aquos76

Sully wrote: »

Stinger-bar; Im prepared to reduce the ban back to two weeks on the basis of that apology and agreement to stick to the site and forum rules. Ill re-open the topic on Waterford if nobody has objections. Hows that?

Thats fair enough from you Sully

Sherifu

Sully wrote: »

Stinger-bar; Im prepared to reduce the ban back to two weeks on the basis of that apology and agreement to stick to the site and forum rules. Ill re-open the topic on Waterford if nobody has objections. Hows that?

Marcus.Aurelius

Nice one Sully

Duiske

Sully wrote: »

Stinger-bar; Im prepared to reduce the ban back to two weeks on the basis of that apology and agreement to stick to the site and forum rules. Ill re-open the topic on Waterford if nobody has objections. Hows that?

I think thats very fair. And I'm sure shoulderchip will feel the same way.:cool:

Sully

Just to clarify, shoulderchips ban is only (and was only) a week. It still stands. I dont think his topic had any "heat of the moment" with it.

Bob the Builder

I think it's fair enough to make a compromise like that... Good decision.

AlmightyCushion

Sully wrote: »

Just to clarify, shoulderchips ban is only (and was only) a week. It still stands. I dont think his topic had any "heat of the moment" with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD62fcfYqHw

Stinger-bar

I've had my say on the matter. I still believe that a month's ban is just plain silly. But you should open up the debate on the forum, even though I won't be able to comment on it I'd still be interested in reading it.

Nevyn

Stinger-bar

Dude take your ban and take a deep breath.
Don't go antagonizing mods by opening multiple threads on the same topic.
If a thread gets de railed give it a break and try again like a week or two later.

Seriously you lot in the waterford forum should be counting your blessing I don't mot that place.
Actually sully if you ever need a hand....

Sully

Stinger-bar wrote: »

I've had my say on the matter. I still believe that a month's ban is just plain silly. But you should open up the debate on the forum, even though I won't be able to comment on it I'd still be interested in reading it.

It wouldn't have been a month if you hadn't made it worse But never mind that, have you read this post: http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=56322860&postcount=34

Balls in your court mate.

Stinger-bar

I have absolutley nothing to apologise to you about Sully. I think you're power mad and a tad sad as well. I don't want to post on a forum that has a moderator like that.

good day to ya.

Dub13

Stinger-bar wrote: »

I have absolutley nothing to apologise to you about Sully. I think you're power mad and a tad sad as well. I don't want to post on a forum that has a moderator like that.

good day to ya.

I am now banning you from the forum,and I am not sure for how long.

ShoulderChip

well he doesn't want to post there so i doubt he cares how long it is dub13.

Dub13

ShoulderChip wrote: »

well he doesn't want to post there so i doubt he cares how long it is dub13.

Well he will not be able to post there so we are all happy.I will have my eye out for a re reg account as well.

Sully

Stinger-bar wrote: »

I have absolutley nothing to apologise to you about Sully. I think you're power mad and a tad sad as well. I don't want to post on a forum that has a moderator like that.

good day to ya.

As you wish.

Stinger-bar

Dub13 wrote: »

Well he will not be able to post there so we are all happy.I will have my eye out for a re reg account as well.

lol How powerful you are sir. Look at all those big forums you mod.

ShoulderChip

right maybe he is a troll after all, he can't let this go.