Lets rant about pubs!

Degsy

Seeing this
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055315507
article over in the dublin forum has set me to thinking that if numbers of customers are really on the decline,maybe bar staff should start excercising a little bit of courtesy.Its not like drinking i pubs is a cheap pasttime any more so maybe they should stop behaving like they're dispensing Divine Unction and start treating the customers as the reason they make money not some sort of burden.Bastards.

jcrowbar

Degsy wrote: »

Seeing this
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055315507
article over in the dublin forum has set me to thinking that if numbers of customers are really on the decline,maybe bar staff should start excercising a little bit of courtesy.Its not like drinking i pubs is a cheap pasttime any more so maybe they should stop behaving like they're dispensing Divine Unction and start treating the customers as the reason they make money not some sort of burden.Bastards.

+1

The situation isn't any better in Limerick.
The always need some excuse, first it was the smoking ban, now it's the economy. They should just face the fact that they need to treat customers better.

The pubs in Britain know how to treat their customers, though i don't approve of the whole franchise pub thing.

Red Hand

Well, they got Dara o Brian to campaign for them. That will work!:rolleyes:

chopperbyrne

jcrowbar wrote: »

The pubs in Britain know how to treat their customers, though i don't approve of the whole franchise pub thing.

Weatherspoons are the greatest pubs going.

Can't beat beer and a burger!

Ross_Mahon

Bar staff seem to serve drinks like feeding pigs, they lash the drink at ya, and tear the money out of your hand without a thank you.

Terry

Meh.
Most of the bar staff in my area are nice.

Raekwon

When you are expected to stick to ridiculous dress codes & engage in mini interviews conducted by jumped up neanderthal’s before you even enter an establishment just to be ripped off in the end................you know something is seriously wrong.

Dragan

Personally i will go the pubs where i know the staff are great.

Scary, i know.

You have choices people, ignore the bad pubs maybe?

The bar staff are quite nice where I go.

funk-you

Vote with your feet people. I can't understand why people queue up outside places to be talked down to, started on and given piss poor quality drinks while at the same time handing over half their weeks wages for the privilage.

I've no problem spending the money for drinks if the extra that they are charging goes on what it is meant to(service/good surroundings/atmosphere).

Go somewhere you feel welcome ffs and quit yer bitchin'.

-Funk

RealEstateKing

Sometimes you dont have the choice. If you're mates are going to some particular place , you kinda gotta go there too.

Hell is the Market Bar or the South William on a Saturday Night.

Its simple economics anyways: In the smaller pubs in small towns the staff are usually pretty nice: The poncier ones in Dublin aim to give an atmosphere of "Only the beautiful and the important are allowed in here.", so the staff are trained to be snooty, cause it makes the place look achingly hip. It's, loike, Capitalism, innit?

Degsy

To those who say Vote with your feet,thats all fine and dandy but the fact is the places are attracting enough people for it to be profitable to treat people like crap.Most of the guilty pubs would be places with ideas above thier station..superpubs or whatever and they still manage to get packed at weekends.Teh problem is that publicans behave like they're doing you the favour by serving you,not that you're making thier wages for them.If a restaurant got a reputaion for treating people badly,overcharging and behaving like nobs generally they'd go out of business in months.Pub customers should be treated as PAYING customers,not inebriates who piss on the floors.

Loopy

I find that Barstaff, are a lot more courteous to punters nowadays, more so than in the past.

The whole pub scene just isn't what it used to be so they can't really get away with being rude now..

_blank_

Stop going to the pubs then.

Just buy your drink in an off licence, and piss on your own floor and furnishings.

Degsy

DesF wrote: »

Stop going to the pubs then.

Just buy your drink in an off licence, and piss on your own floor and furnishings.

Thats what i normally do.I still reserve the right to visit a public house without being treated like crap and overcharged to buggery.If you went down the shops to buy a loaf of bread and they said "That'll be a tenner,you wnaker"..would you say,"Fair enough,in future i bake my own?"

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Degsy wrote: »

Thats what i normally do.I still reserve the right to visit a public house without being treated like crap and overcharged to buggery.

Which public house do you have a right not to be overcharged in?

Please tell me about it, so I can go to this magical place where the drink is reasonably priced.

Degsy wrote: »

If you went down the shops to buy a loaf of bread and they said "That'll be a tenner,you wnaker"..would you say,"Fair enough,in future i bake my own?"

:eek:

I was in Tesco Clearwater one day and the couple in front of us in the queue were buying a loaf of bread from the "reduced" trolly, but the price was coming up as something crazy like nine euro. The guy on the til wouldn't get up off his hole to get a proper price, and wanted the people to pay the price that was coming up. Well they argued with him, and he eventually got the price changed, as they were leaving he called them cúnts.

But, I digress.

If shops, en masse, started charging a tenner for a loaf of bread, I would serioulsy consider baking my own, yes.

Degsy

DesF wrote: »

Which public house do you have a right not to be overcharged in?

Please tell me about it, so I can go to this magical place where the drink is reasonably priced.



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Overcharging is overcharging.If the national average price of a pint is,say 4 quid.What gives someplace the right to charge 6.50?Its all pure greed.Every four kegs a pub buys they get a free one from the brewery.So thats a 25% percent net profit without having sold any of it.
As for this "magical place" you speak of,there are some pubs that dont take the piss but they're being supplanted by places that do.

Clink

Degsy wrote: »

Overcharging is overcharging.If the national average price of a pint is,say 4 quid.What gives someplace the right to charge 6.50?Its all pure greed.Every four kegs a pub buys they get a free one from the brewery.So thats a 25% percent net profit without having sold any of it.
As for this "magical place" you speak of,there are some pubs that dont take the piss but they're being supplanted by places that do.

What about overheads though? Staff, insurance, rent, refridgeration units, glasses, door men, maybe live entertainment, furniture etc....?

jcrowbar

Frankly I don't think the vitners association should get my money, if all they're going to do with it is make more of those silly radio ads.

I had to hear them on three separate occassions before i realised that they were for real!

Degsy

Clink wrote: »

What about overheads though? Staff, insurance, rent, refridgeration units, glasses, door men, maybe live entertainment, furniture etc....?

You think the publicans havnt factored all that into the equation?Show me a poor publican,i'd love to see one.Reminds me of the late owner of Kennedys in drumcondra.He was so eager to keep his overheads down he used to rinse used lemons under the tap and put them back in the bowl.He paid the lounge-girl 14 quid a night and he left two million when he died.

Bricriu

I was in the Palace Bar, beginning of Fleet St. in Dublin recently, and ordered a pint of porter from one of the regular barmen there (the cranky-looking taciturn black-haired man with the glasses -- he's been there for donkey's years); he served it with a double priest's-collar of a head on the pint. I gave it back to him and asked him to put a head on it.

He studied it as if I was trying one on and then put a head on it without a word.

If this is happening in one of Dublin's good old pubs, I fear for the future.

Bricriu

toiletduck

Degsy wrote: »

Pub customers should be treated as PAYING customers,not inebriates who piss on the floors.

I imagine he meant went people piss themselves and it gets on the floor...

Anyways you should come to the bar I work in. I've gotten employee of the week a load of times, even moreso now that I stopped topping up the stout with my own special brew.

Clink

Degsy wrote: »

You think the publicans havnt factored all that into the equation?Show me a poor publican,i'd love to see one.Reminds me of the late owner of Kennedys in drumcondra.He was so eager to keep his overheads down he used to rinse used lemons under the tap and put them back in the bowl.He paid the lounge-girl 14 quid a night and he left two million when he died.

That's what I'm saying, they have factored in the overheads and hence the price you pay. If want to pay €6.50 a pint well then just don't go to those places! (And maybe avoid Kennedys too)

Degsy

Clink wrote: »

That's what I'm saying, they have factored in the overheads and hence the price you pay. If want to pay €6.50 a pint well then just don't go to those places! (And maybe avoid Kennedys too)

Inmany places the publican owns the premises,often many years ago..the overheads have remained the same for years,in actual fact the hiring of staff is getting cheaper because they get cheap labour from abroad.The economy of scale and purchasing power of the larger places means they get the booze very cheap indeed.They justify hiking up the prices because the taking are down because of the smoking ban..nonsense,they're just not getting the same LEVEL of profit they were previoulsy used to so they're making the consumer pay the difference.

_blank_

Overheads have stayed the same?

Has your electricity bill stayed the same in the past year or so?

Five years?

If it has, is there any chance I can lob an extension lead into your gaf and use you electricity?

Terry

DesF wrote: »

Overheads have stayed the same?

Has your electricity bill stayed the same in the past year or so?

Five years?

If it has, is there any chance I can lob an extension lead into your gaf and use you electricity?

Didn't the cost of electricity go down recently?


/pedant

Dragan

Degsy wrote: »

Inmany places the publican owns the premises,often many years ago..the overheads have remained the same for years,in actual fact the hiring of staff is getting cheaper because they get cheap labour from abroad.The economy of scale and purchasing power of the larger places means they get the booze very cheap indeed.They justify hiking up the prices because the taking are down because of the smoking ban..nonsense,they're just not getting the same LEVEL of profit they were previoulsy used to so they're making the consumer pay the difference.

No offence dude, but you will be in those same pubs you hate this weekend.

Generally if something hacks me off i don't do it.

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Terry wrote: »

Didn't the cost of electricity go down recently?


/pedant

tbh

Posted via stationary device.

Clink

I'm sure the cost of public liability insurance has gone through the roof what with the way people are making claims these days too.

If electricity did go down it's about to go back up.

Degsy

Dragan wrote: »

No offence dude, but you will be in those same pubs you hate this weekend.

Generally if something hacks me off i don't do it.

Well its either go where friends are going or sit at home brooding like Gargamel.It amazes me that people even WANT to go to these kips.

Degsy

Clink wrote: »

I'm sure the cost of public liability insurance has gone through the roof what with the way people are making claims these days too.

If electricity did go down it's about to go back up.

What claimsd?They have black blokes in the toilets now to make sure people dont slip and hurt thereselves.they're not paid by the pub either.

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Degsy wrote: »

Well its either go where friends are going or sit at home brooding like Gargamel.

You do enough of that in work.

Dragan

Degsy wrote: »

Well its either go where friends are going or sit at home brooding like Gargamel.It amazes me that people even WANT to go to these kips.

That would be a great excuse to get a cat dude!

snubbleste

jcrowbar wrote: »

Frankly I don't think the vitners association should get my money, if all they're going to do with it is make more of those silly radio ads. I had to hear them on three separate occassions before i realised that they were for real!

I laughed so hard when this came on the radio the other day, i really thought it was a joke advert like the Budweiser All-American Hero ones.
At least they are unique ads!

Degsy

DesF wrote: »

Overheads have stayed the same?

Has your electricity bill stayed the same in the past year or so?

Five years?

If it has, is there any chance I can lob an extension lead into your gaf and use you electricity?

So the lecky has gone up a bit. What do the pubs do?They turn the lights down..seriously.Look at the way they're getting staff who can barely speak english,are they in a union?Are they getting the minimum wage for barstaff?Are they crap,they're cheap labour.If the publican has to stump up extra for anything,he makes it back in some other way.

john concannon

Not enough filteration to stop the pain of old men's smelly ol' farts.

IT'S AN EPIDEMIC PEOPLE!

_blank_

Degsy wrote: »

So the lecky has gone up a bit. What do the pubs do?They turn the lights down..seriously.Look at the way they're getting staff who can barely speak english,are they in a union?Are they getting the minimum wage for barstaff?Are they crap,they're cheap labour.If the publican has to stump up extra for anything,he makes it back in some other way.

Let me tell you this.

A publican who owns some seriously busy pubs in Dublin City Centre has recently decided to only hire Unionised barstaff, who have served their time, in future.

He is doing this to reduce queuing time at his bars, as he believes one properly trained bartender would get through a queue quicker than three or four imbeciles who wouldn't know a pint glass from a slim jim.

Clink

Degsy wrote: »

Well its either go where friends are going or sit at home brooding like Gargamel.It amazes me that people even WANT to go to these kips.

Why then don't you just invite these friends over to your house?

_blank_

Clink wrote: »

Why then don't you just invite these friends over to your house?

You obv don't know where Degsy lives :pac:

ibh

In fairness if i want someone to be nice to me i'll move to America and everyone can give me a "have a nice fcuking day" in every establishment i go to.

Theres nothing wrong with being semi ignorant with customers. I worked behind the bar for years and if you're too nice to people they think they can tell you all their problems. If someone is ignorant to you, just be ignorant in return. Or go somewhere else.

Degsy

DesF wrote: »

You obv don't know where Degsy lives :pac:

Well you wont be darkening my door again son!:pac:

Degsy

DesF wrote: »

Let me tell you this.

A publican who owns some seriously busy pubs in Dublin City Centre has recently decided to only hire Unionised barstaff, who have served their time, in future.

He is doing this to reduce queuing time at his bars, as he believes one properly trained bartender would get through a queue quicker than three or four imbeciles who wouldn't know a pint glass from a slim jim.

One publican has decided to do this?Thats progress for ya..either that or the untrained staff were costing him money somehow.

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Degsy wrote: »

One publican

This particular publican/group owns a serious amount of pubs in Dublin City Centre.

Degsy

DesF wrote: »

This particular publican/group owns a serious amount of pubs in Dublin City Centre.

Well you may be sure he's doing it for his own ends and absolutely not to benefit the customer.

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Degsy wrote: »

Well you may be sure he's doing it for his own ends and absolutely not to benefit the customer.

ffs.

You give about the foreign staff, and you bellyache when someone decides not to hire foreign staff.

jcrowbar

snubbleste wrote: »

I laughed so hard when this came on the radio the other day, i really thought it was a joke advert like the Budweiser All-American Hero ones.
At least they are unique ads!

I was sure they were replaying Gift grub.

Seriously, if this is the sort of ****e they can come up with, then there's no hope.

Clearly they were intended to be funny, but they're funny for all the wrong reasons. I feel sorry for the folk who put their time into making them.

Pathetic, simple as.

Degsy

DesF wrote: »

ffs.

You give about the foreign staff, and you bellyache when someone decides not to hire foreign staff.

So "foreign" and "trained" are mutually exclusive?

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Degsy wrote: »

So "foreign" and "trained" are mutually exclusive?

I never said that.

But I wouldn't imagine many foreigners have recognised bar-trade apprenticeships done, would you?

kraggy

funk-you wrote: »

Vote with your feet people. I can't understand why people queue up outside places to be talked down to, started on and given piss poor quality drinks while at the same time handing over half their weeks wages for the privilage.

I've no problem spending the money for drinks if the extra that they are charging goes on what it is meant to(service/good surroundings/atmosphere).

Go somewhere you feel welcome ffs and quit yer bitchin'.

-Funk

+2

People accept it, whether in a restaurant or a bar, and then complain about it on the way home.

Things will never change in this country because of it.

And any foreign friends of mine have always said that if the staff in their country e.g. Australia, Spain, acted like that, they'd be fired on the spot.

That's because people there won't accept it. But we will.

We feel like we've no right to complain about poor service even though it's US that are paying for it.

Degsy

DesF wrote: »

I never said that.

But I wouldn't imagine many foreigners have recognised bar-trade apprenticeships done, would you?

It depends what you mean by foreigners.There's been people coming in appreciable numbers for ten years or more,surley some of them would've done the apprenticeship.What i was refering to are the people who havnt got a bloody clue and are only hired because the publican finds it cheap to do so.

HitlersHorsebox

I don't drink in pubs any more. I sneak cans into abrakebabra with a few mates and drink while no ones looking. The music is always pumping and they open later than pubs. 12 cans for 14 Euro and your already at the top of the queue. what more can anyone ask for?