AH: Traveler Bride Vs JigSawGirl

6th

So the JigSawGirl thread was deleted because of the pictures posted of the girl, insults were posted and details being given out? Now we have a thread which has pictures of a wedding, where the wedding was held, comments made about the smell of travelers, name of brides ... and its left open?

I have no problem with either thread (so no I havent reported posts) but I do think its weird that one gets deleted and the other doesnt. Maybe its because JigSawGirl looked innocent so someone presumed she needed protection and the Traveler Bride and her entourage .... well .... you know.

So, double standards? Would the thread only get deleted if we posted the Traveler Brides bebo page?

witnessmenow

Maybe it was the fear that jigsaw girl would see it, they're probably not too worried about the travelers having broadband in their caravans!

6th

witnessmenow wrote: »

Maybe it was the fear that jigsaw girl would see it, they're probably not too worried about the travelers having broadband in their caravans!

Thank you. Point made in the first post.

Nevyn

6th the bride with the copy of the Jordan dress went public and had an article and pictures already in the public domain. She have up, nay sold her right to anonaminty.

cornbb

Thaedydal wrote: »

6th the bride with the copy of the Jordan dress went public and had an article and pictures already in the public domain. She have up, nay sold her right to anonaminty.

Well you could say the same about JigSawGirl, who presumably signed a release for the BBC so she could appear on their website... so there's no difference there, for a start.

6th

Thaedydal wrote: »

6th the bride with the copy of the Jordan dress went public and had an article and pictures already in the public domain. She have up, nay sold her right to anonaminty.

Actually Thaed, the pictures on that thread are not of the bride who copied Jordon but of some other wedding.

6th

Dudess, as you're reading this thread (you thanked Thaed) can you tell me why you chose to "protect" JigSawGirl and not the people in this post who are/were being subjected to far worse comments?

Rb

The removal of the Jigsaw girl thread was one of the worst things to happen on Boards in a long time

My theory: Dudess wanted to remove it from public domain so she could keep the details for herself and go after Emer Kelly.

Dudess has no intention of stalking travellers so she left it open.

6th

Rb wrote: »

The removal of the Jigsaw girl thread was one of the worst things to happen on Boards in a long time

I agree, must be noted though that I have no issue with Dudess in general (she's a great mod) but I do think these 2 threads are compareable and show an inconsistancy in the moderating.

Rb wrote: »

My theory: Dudess wanted to remove it from public domain so she could keep the details for herself and go after Emer Kelly.

Dudess has no intention of stalking travellers so she left it open.

Lol, now I have her surname!

peasant

I have no idea wht the jig saw thread is or was, never saw it.

But the wedding thread in my opinion is an absolute train wreck, full of racist and derogatory remarks.

Some moderators seem to be blind when travellers are concerned.

biko

It is a tricky subject alright.
On one hand, people that allow their image being taken by a newspaper do give up rights to the way the image is used (much like facebook).
On the other hand they probably don't want their friends to find them plastered all over over boards.ie and made fun of.

Imo, anyone (me included) who has posted in KYN has willingly given up posting rights to the image to boards. But images that come from non-celebrities should not be posted. Politicians, FasGirl, Seoige sisters etc are fair still game.

Ergo, both wedding and Jigsawgirl threads should be deleted. Imo.

Btw, I think it should be infractable offence to publicly post information (full name, school, estate, etcetera) that can aid tracking/stalking a private citizen (guess PM is ok).

Gone West

6th wrote: »

Dudess, as you're reading this thread (you thanked Thaed) can you tell me why you chose to "protect" JigSawGirl and not the people in this post who are/were being subjected to far worse comments?

I suppose because its easier to stand up for a forum user than a randomer.
*knacker remark removed*

6th

FuzzyLogic wrote: »

I suppose because its easier to stand up for a forum user than a randomer.
*knacker remark removed*

But wasJigSawGirl a forum user? No.

6th

I see the thread has been closed but unlike the less offensive JigSawGirl thread this one is left there with photos, comments etc for all to see :rolleyes:

Gandalf23

6th wrote: »

Dudess, as you're reading this thread (you thanked Thaed) can you tell me why you chose to "protect" JigSawGirl and not the people in this post who are/were being subjected to far worse comments?

I'd like like to know the answer to this too.

peasant wrote: »

I have no idea wht the jig saw thread is or was, never saw it.

But the wedding thread in my opinion is an absolute train wreck, full of racist and derogatory remarks.

Some moderators seem to be blind when travellers are concerned.

+1

I've never seen the jigsaw thread either. I agree, the wedding thread is absolutely shocking and disgraceful. Should this really be allowed on AH?

Would it have been allowed if it was a Nigerian wedding. I dont think so.

stovelid

6th wrote: »

But wasJigSawGirl a forum user? No.

How can you be sure she wouldn't be extremely displeased that there is a concerted campaign (even if light-hearted) to make her well known to the users of the biggest forum in the country?

Even in the statistically remote instance of me being hot enough, I'd still be browned off if it were me.

Giving permission for your image to be used for a specific instance, such as TV, is not the same as saying you want something like this.

Obviously she may find it hilarious, but there is no way of being sure.

I also thought the traveler thread was a train wreck and should have been closed.

6th

stovelid wrote: »

How can you be sure she wouldn't be extremely displeased that there is a concerted campaign (even if light-hearted) to make her well known to the users of the biggest forum in the country?

Even in the statistically remote instance of me being hot enough, I'd still be browned off if it were me.

Giving permission for your image to be used for a specific instance, such as TV, is not the same as saying you want something like this.

Obviously she may find it hilarious, but there is no way of being sure.

I also thought the traveler thread was a train wreck and should have been closed.

I'm not saying the JigSawGirl thread was right or wrong but apply what you just wrote to the travelers in the other thread. What I was pointing out was the very different treatment of the 2 threads.

TequilaMockingBird

6th wrote: »

What I was pointing out was the very different treatment of the 2 threads.

I agree with you there 6th, but perhaps Jigsaw requested his thread to be deleted?

monkeyfudge

I was reading the original thread that the traveler bride thread was broken off from.

I was disappointed to see that it was moved to After Hours instead of just being split into another thread in the Weddings forum. I stayed out of it from that point as it was obvious what the bigots in AH would do to it.

6th

sueme wrote: »

I agree with you there 6th, but perhaps Jigsaw requested his thread to be deleted?

A thread starter doesnt own a thread. Can I go back and ask for all the threads I started to be deleted? No.

mikedragon32

6th wrote: »

A thread starter doesnt own a thread. Can I go back and ask for all the threads I started to be deleted? No.

I can't believe I'm finding myself agreeing with 6th!

Lately there's been a lot of "knacker bashing" across a few of the fora and it's even spilled into feedback.

Whatever your feelings about any group of people, you can't go marginalising them on a publicly viewable forum. It looks very bad and I'm sure some advertisers would think twice about being associated with this.

6th

mikedragon32 wrote: »

I can't believe I'm finding myself agreeing with 6th!

If you stick around long enough anything is possible

I imagine Dudess will ignore this thread until is fades away or gets locked.

Agent Smith

fight the power!

6th

Agent Smith wrote: »

fight the power!

Lets not bring it down to that. This thread raises a good point and I'm hardly renouned for my Powah Fightin'.

Kimbot

Have to agree with you 6th, its seems like inconsistant modding.

Sully

Agreeing with 6th here - complete double standards. Only one excuse was given and that was thrown out so we are back to square one: Why?

I thought the Waterford forum led the way in ending the ****e with making retarted comments about travellers etc. Its just repeating itself in AH now. Do we need to give the folk who were banned from Waterford a reason to claim unfairness??

Regardless, I thought the dicussion we had (mods) about such threads was that there just not permitted.

faceman

Does seem to be inconsistent but im sure it can be easily fixed. However I didnt see the original jigsaw thread.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

if dudess leavesd the thread open she gets a feedback thread complaining that she's anti traveller, if she closes it she gets a feedback thread complaining that she's a pc nazi.
*shrug*

Steve

Why are ye having a go at Dudess?

There are 6 other AH mods who also chose not to close / delete it.

6th

If someone who's not a celeb or a Boards gets their picture put up and they get slagged off the thread gets locked and deleted as soon as the mod sees it. JigSawGirl.

If someone who's not a celeb or a Boards gets their picture put up and they get slagged off (along with the community they belong too) the thread gets locked and left there long after the mod has seen it and posted in the thread. Traveler Bride.

6th

stevec wrote: »

Why are ye having a go at Dudess?

There are 6 other AH mods who also chose not to close / delete it.

Because Dudess deleted the JigSawGirl thread and then posted in the thread were the travelers were being slagged off. She even defended the thread and the slagging of the traveler bride by thanking Thaeds post above.

Karoma

I was away for much of the weekend. I'm sure when I go through the Reported Posts there'll be some from every whinger here...

peasant wrote: »

But the wedding thread in my opinion is an absolute train wreck, full of racist and derogatory remarks.

Some moderators seem to be blind when travellers are concerned.

Name them.
I'm look through the thread for AH bans in the Moderators forum. There are plenty of bans in there, a lot of which are for anti-traveller crap. I haven't even looked through the Infractions forum. Maybe you'd like to do this before making accusations?
(You might notice one or two more now - retrospective infractions.)


The behaviour of some users in the Traveler Wedding thread disgusts me; I can offer no excuse for it being tolerated. They will be dealt with.
As for the actual subject matter being tolerated more than the JigsawGirl matter? The 'Traveler Wedding' was about photographs and event that was released to the public, inviting comment on the wedding and participants. JigsawGirl offered an opinion on politics, I don't think she signed a release form to have her photo used on hotornot.com.

Simplicity

If JigSaw girl had the whole bebo thing going on I'd say her right to anonymity kind of went out the window too.

Still being a mod you are damned if you do and likewise if you don't.

stovelid

stevec wrote: »

Why are ye having a go at Dudess?

Because they've got a horn on for their jigsaw girl thread and can't let it go.

Steve

6th wrote: »

Because Dudess deleted the JigSawGirl thread and then posted in the thread were the travelers were being slagged off. She even defended the thread and the slagging of the traveler bride by thanking Thaeds post above.

In fairness, most of the 'racist' crap went on after she posted.

I missed the jigsawgirl thread:( so I can't really comment on how they compare. There must have been a good reason for deleting it - maybe the decision came from higher up on the ladder?

Xavi6

stovelid wrote: »

Because they've got a horn on for their jigsaw girl thread and can't let it go.

Just cause you weren't involved

peasant

Karoma wrote: »

Name them.
...
The behaviour of some users in the Traveler Wedding thread disgusts me; I can offer no excuse for it being tolerated. They will be dealt with.

Name them yourself, I'm not on a witch hunt.

All I can say is that I reported that thread yesterday at 4 in the afternoon after those really nasty "jokes" appeared and that nothing happened until this here thread was created.

So, some AH moderators (those on duty between then and now) chose to let it run ...which led my to my remark.

Karoma

Simplicity wrote: »

If JigSaw girl had the whole bebo thing going on I'd say her right to anonymity kind of went out the window too.

Still being a mod you are damned if you do and likewise if you don't.

What happens on Bebo should stay the **** on Bebo.
Unfortunately, that's not the case... but I don't see why we should facilitate insulting an individual with a Bebo page for no reason other than a stalkerish Boardsie asked about her. It seems...unfair.

Gandalf23

Karoma wrote: »

I was away for much of the weekend. I'm sure when I go through the Reported Posts there'll be some from every whinger here....

Nice.

People making genuine comment and feedback are "whingers". So you dont agree with the complaints (or whinges) and you support the thread in question fully? Please clarify this.

Karoma wrote: »

Name them.

I'll name Dudess as being guilty of being "blind when travellers are concerned" as peasant said above. And I'll stand by my accusation as the proof speaks for itself.

Karoma wrote: »

The behaviour of some users in the Traveler Wedding thread disgusts me; I can offer no excuse for it being tolerated. They will be dealt with.

Dealt with now the thread has been highlighted in feedback? Would have it been dealth with if 6th had not brought the issue here?

If you say the "behaviour of some users in the Traveler Wedding thread disgusts me" how can you call the people commenting here "whingers"?

Karoma

peasant wrote: »

Name them yourself, I'm not on a witch hunt.
...

So, some AH moderators (those on duty between then and now) chose to let it run ...which led my to my remark.

Name them myself? you made the accusation. Quit beating around the bush.

6th

Karoma wrote: »

Unfortunately, that's not the case... but I don't see why we should facilitate insulting an individual with a Bebo page for no reason other than a stalkerish Boardsie asked about her. It seems...unfair.

Fair enough but do you have an insight as to why that threqad would be locked and deleted as soon as a mod saw it and the same treatment wasnt used on the other thread?

Karoma

Gandalf23 wrote: »

Nice.

People making genuine comment and feedback are "whingers". So you dont agree with the complaints (or whinges) and you support the thread in question fully? Please clarify this.

It's not aimed at the people 'making genuine comment and feedback'. It's the whingers who whinge in Feedback but never do anything constructive.

I'll name Dudess as being guilty of being "blind when travellers are concerned" as peasant said above. And I'll stand by my accusation as the proof speaks for itself.

Meh. She's a big girl, I'll let her explain her own stance.

Dealt with now the thread has been highlighted in feedback? Would have it been dealth with if 6th had not brought the issue here?

As soon as it caught my attention, yes. It would have meant when I got 5 minutes to read through AH, or the Reported Posts I've missed in the last few days. So, yes. It would have.

If you say the "behaviour of some users in the Traveler Wedding thread disgusts me" how can you call the people commenting here "whingers"?

As above.





ED: 6th, unlike one or two people in this thread, I'm not going to string together some bull****, but rather let Dudess explain.
In fairness to Dudess, I doubt she was the only moderator around at the time...

Gandalf23

Thanks for the reply Karoma.

Karoma wrote: »

Meh. She's a big girl, I'll let her explain her own stance..

I'll look forward to hearing that. If she comes here to explain her stance that is ...

Karoma wrote: »

As soon as it caught my attention, yes. It would have meant when I got 5 minutes to read through AH, or the Reported Posts I've missed in the last few days. So, yes. It would have.

Fair enough.

But does this mean that you would not have allowed the thread to progress if you had seen it this weekend?

I'm not attacking you in any way ... I'm just asking for clarification on your opinions and how you personaly would have moderated the thread in question.

Maximilian

Those pictures are completely in the public domain, so fair game I would of thought. I'd say we are only marginally adding to the worldwide aggregate mockery levels.

As for them being travelers; I think the fact that they such is largely irrelevant. Its the fact that the persons in question were wearing eye cancer inducing apparel. They could have been anyone from any community (scarey thought that). You might as well state that the pictures should be removed on the grounds that they discriminate against those without a sense of fashion (or ocular health for that matter)

peasant

Karoma wrote: »

Name them myself? you made the accusation. Quit beating around the bush.

I have no interest in naming individual moderators and no inclination on checking up on which AH moderator was or wasn't on shift.
Sort it out "in house", if you must.

All I can say is that there was my reported post and another one (about the Jordan issue) later, both of which left the thread unaffected until this feedback thread was created.

In light of this I think it is fair to say that some moderators seem to be blind when it comes to travellers.

Who exactly they were or weren't doesn't really matter (not to me, anyway)

justsomebloke

Maximilian wrote: »

Those pictures are completely in the public domain, so fair game I would of thought. I'd say we are only marginally adding to the worldwide aggregate mockery levels.)

Does that mean that anyone who has posted a pick on one of the KYN type threads should be allowed to have a thread taking the piss out of them here.

As far as I can see from the 2nd marriage thread most of the pictures where hosted on image shack which is hardly suggests that the pics where posted for publicities sake

Maximilian

jsb wrote: »

Does that mean that anyone who has posted a pick on one of the KYN type threads should be allowed to have a thread taking the piss out of them here.

As far as I can see from the 2nd marriage thread most of the pictures where hosted on image shack which is hardly suggests that the pics where posted for publicities sake

Well, as far as photos go here, you can always take it down later if you like. I think if someone started a thread taking the piss, it would probably count as personal abuse. Perhaps its double standards but as far as I know, those pictures have done the rounds all over the internet. The "damage" has been done. It's a fair point though JSB.

Simplicity

Karoma wrote: »

What happens on Bebo should stay the **** on Bebo.
Unfortunately, that's not the case... but I don't see why we should facilitate insulting an individual with a Bebo page for no reason other than a stalkerish Boardsie asked about her. It seems...unfair.

True.

I am just remarking that if you decided to plaster youself on the Internet in any fashion, you are pretty much publishing yourself and giving your pics etc to all a sunder.

I am not disagreeing with the thread being deleted. As I said being a mod at times you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. Considering the OP had no intention of the thread "going there" and is happy for it to be deleted I think Dudess has nothing to worry about. So what if a few users think it was a great laugh.

/goes to poker table

6th

Maximilian wrote: »

Those pictures are completely in the public domain, so fair game I would of thought.

I would have thought aswell but the difference between the 2 thread as far as I see it is tha in the 2nd thread the traveler community is being slagged as a whole.

6th

Karoma wrote: »

ED: 6th, unlike one or two people in this thread, I'm not going to string together some bull****, but rather let Dudess explain.
In fairness to Dudess, I doubt she was the only moderator around at the time...

Fair play.

I'll wait for Dudess and I understand she wasnt the only mod about just she seems to have done the modding on both threads or at least the modding I'm wondering about.

Rb

jsb wrote: »

As far as I can see from the 2nd marriage thread most of the pictures where hosted on image shack which is hardly suggests that the pics where posted for publicities sake

I uploaded them to imageshack, they were forwarded to me in an email so God only knows where they originated, be it someones picture folder on their personal computer or Ok Magazines website.

However, I'll add, the OP was looking for some seemingly well known/published pictures of a travellers wedding, I posted them thinking it could be the same one (and from what I read, there's other threads on the wedding elsewhere on Boards) so...meh..