Dublin Pride 2008

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Dublin Pride 2008 is in Dublin again this summer and kicks off tonight.

This year the theme is "always the bridesmaid and never the bride", and focuses on the issue of same-sex partnership rights. This festival culminates on the annual parade which this year takes place on Saturday the 21st of June.

I'm mentioning this in case any boards members are thinking of taking part in any of the events (and not just the ones that revolve around drink). Most listings should be on the official site.

To those planning on attending, have a happy and safe pride week.

panda100

Twas my first time going to the gay pride parade on Saturday. It was soooooooo much fun,not even the dreary weather could dampen the spirits

Dis anyone else see Brian Kennedy in complete Diva mode??Was quite hillarious

crotalus667

panda100 wrote: »

Twas my first time going to the gay pride parade on Saturday. It was soooooooo much fun,not even the dreary weather could dampen the spirits

Dis anyone else see Brian Kennedy in complete Diva mode??Was quite hillarious

Aaaa crap I missed it , I had stuff I had to take care of saterday

DJ_Spider

+1 crotalus! Had a gig on the sat night and was recovering from BGRH/tLL beers on the friday! Oh well will have to put a marker on next year's planner!

MrVestek

Yeah I went this year as I did last year, seeing Brian Kennedy on stage was quite a surprise. Missed the damn parade itself as I didn't realise that pride was on the saturday (whoops) but made it to the after party... thing near Dame St.

Brian Kennedy waving a pride flag on stage whilst singing... fun times!

Kazobel

Does anybody even care anymore? Having a parade because you're gay is like having a parade because you have black hair. "Pride" comes from an achievement not something you're born with, it's such a double standard because you want everybody to accept you because you're born gay (you didn't achieve gayness or anything) but then need a big parade that imply's it's better than being straight, you never see a hetrosexual pride parade and wanna know why? because they don't feel the need to constantly ram their sexuality down other peoples necks (no pun intended), all Pride is now is a way of saying "Look at me, Validate me", you can imply it's somethig else but at the end of the day it's just more attention seeking because after the "drama" of "coming out" that attention isn't there anymore is it? because deep down everybody already knew anyway. Gay pride *snigger* let's just have a parade where 40% of the population chants "I'm here, I have black hair, get use to it" I'd bet it have cheaper flags

L1011

Funny how I knew the general content of that post before I clicked on the thread...

DJ_Spider

I must admit I sort of agree with kaz, but the thing is I love showing off and having a good time! It must be the gemini in me, either that or I'm just an attention hoe! Also I am happy with my sexuality, and am in a relationship with a very understanding lady. I wouldn't go the whole hog and go out dressed as I wouldn't make a very convincing female anyway! (as anyone who saw me at xmas beers will agree!) But I love having fun, being extrovert, (after a few beers) and enjoying life.

BTW kaz, fancy organising a Dublin flagwaving parade?!

Kazobel

MYOB wrote: »

Funny how I knew the general content of that post before I clicked on the thread...

Jackpot...you see you's can all bitch about me but I don't need a parade to be me, you come out and nothing changes, no part of your life gets any more difficult, we come out and visually we change and have to be that visual person everyday in public and put up with all the sh!t that you's can avoid because it's not something people see everyday, your parade isn't a celebration of being gay, don't try to imply it is, it's a reminder to everyone that you're gay and as such society should be giving you constant attention and you wanna know why Transsexuals don't have a parade? because we don't want or feel the need to be noticed, gay pride my ass, if there was any pride in being gay there'd be 50% less anonomous thread on this forum alone.

Kazobel

DJ_Spider wrote: »

BTW kaz, fancy organising a Dublin flagwaving parade?!

I think at this point I'd probably be killed if people knew where to find me so parading it is out of the question :D but fire me a PM, I have some stuff you might want like hair and shoes etc...:):)

Gone West

DJ spider are you hitting on Kazobel?
you do realise that "he" is a "ladyboy" or whatever the polite term for it is, yes?

Kazobel

FuzzyLogic wrote: »

DJ spider are you hitting on Kazobel?
you do realise that "he" is a "ladyboy" or whatever the polite term for it is, yes?

DJ spider is my friend and has been for a long time, he's well aware of my "ladyboy" status (as you like to call it).

MrVestek

Kazobel wrote: »

Does anybody even care anymore? Having a parade because you're gay is like having a parade because you have black hair. "Pride" comes from an achievement not something you're born with, it's such a double standard because you want everybody to accept you because you're born gay (you didn't achieve gayness or anything) but then need a big parade that imply's it's better than being straight, you never see a hetrosexual pride parade and wanna know why? because they don't feel the need to constantly ram their sexuality down other peoples necks (no pun intended), all Pride is now is a way of saying "Look at me, Validate me", you can imply it's somethig else but at the end of the day it's just more attention seeking because after the "drama" of "coming out" that attention isn't there anymore is it? because deep down everybody already knew anyway. Gay pride *snigger* let's just have a parade where 40% of the population chants "I'm here, I have black hair, get use to it" I'd bet it have cheaper flags

Erm... because they're proud of who they are? Because there are still plenty of people who bottle up their feelings and don't tell anyone out of fear of misunderstanding? It's an acknowledgement and celebration of those who found the confidence to finally admit to themselves and to others who they really are and are proud of this fact.

Christ, by your logic we shouldn't have a St. Paddy's day parade anymore, I mean c'mon that is just a way of saying 'look at us, validate our irishness' because of the 'drama' of having to deal with snakes.

Cop on, we're allowed to have fun and be proud of who we are right? (I'm bi fyi, not that it matters).

Kazobel

Achilles wrote: »

Erm... because they're proud of who they are? Because there are still plenty of people who bottle up their feelings and don't tell anyone out of fear of misunderstanding? It's an acknowledgement and celebration of those who found the confidence to finally admit to themselves and to others who they really are and are proud of this fact.

Christ, by your logic we shouldn't have a St. Paddy's day parade anymore, I mean c'mon that is just a way of saying 'look at us, validate our irishness' because of the 'drama' of having to deal with snakes.

Cop on, we're allowed to have fun and be proud of who we are right? (I'm bi fyi, not that it matters).

Oh so it's not "Gay pride" it's actually "Coming out" pride? is that what you're saying? please feel free to keep proving my point, the next chant should be "We're out, we shout, get use to it". Not that it matters but I don't give a flying fcuk what your sexuallity is but the fact you needed to point out you're not gay but bi proves there's very little "Pride" in be thought of as gay.

azezil

Kazobel wrote: »

Does anybody even care anymore? Having a parade because you're gay is like having a parade because you have black hair. "Pride" comes from an achievement not something you're born with, it's such a double standard because you want everybody to accept you because you're born gay (you didn't achieve gayness or anything) but then need a big parade that imply's it's better than being straight, you never see a hetrosexual pride parade and wanna know why? because they don't feel the need to constantly ram their sexuality down other peoples necks (no pun intended), all Pride is now is a way of saying "Look at me, Validate me", you can imply it's somethig else but at the end of the day it's just more attention seeking because after the "drama" of "coming out" that attention isn't there anymore is it? because deep down everybody already knew anyway. Gay pride *snigger* let's just have a parade where 40% of the population chants "I'm here, I have black hair, get use to it" I'd bet it have cheaper flags

If you'd ever bothered to go on a gay pride march you'd see there's far more to it than that, and you're totally missing the point of it. :rolleyes:

auerillo

Kazobel wrote: »

Oh so it's not "Gay pride" it's actually "Coming out" pride? is that what you're saying? please feel free to keep proving my point, the next chant should be "We're out, we shout, get use to it". Not that it matters but I don't give a flying fcuk what your sexuallity is but the fact you needed to point out you're not gay but bi proves there's very little "Pride" in be thought of as gay.

If you don't give, in your vernacular, a flying ****, then why are you contributing here? If guys want to parade, why not just stop whinging and let them get on with it. Why do you care?

Gone West

On another note, I was walking down the quays and I saw a Gardai put down a road block. I asked him why, and he said (in a cavan/monaghan accent) "The gays are parading today. Are you a member... *stutter* ... err...attending the parade, because its starting down that way just now!"

Kazobel

azezil wrote: »

If you'd ever bothered to go on a gay pride march you'd see there's far more to it than that, and you're totally missing the point of it. :rolleyes:

Oh you :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: at me, what an excellent responce and sooooo gay, why would I need to go on a gay pride march? I'm not gay, I don't feel that need for attention that requires a parade, the only point of it is "look at me, validate me", why would I need that? I have more self respect than that where I can validate myself, I don't need half of Dublin to confirm my right to be part of society...

Kazobel

auerillo wrote: »

If you don't give, in your vernacular, a flying ****, then why are you contributing here? If guys want to parade, why not just stop whinging and let them get on with it. Why do you care?

I said flying fcuk about his assumed sexuality, it was nothing to do with the parade, he brought his sexuallity into it not me

azezil

And as I said, that's not the point of the parade and if you ever attended one and listened to the organisers you'd understand that, but you prefer to remain ignorant and spout shite, well you go right ahead deary ^_^

L1011

Two posts at Kazobel mentions the T word, despite the fact that it was not mentioned, or implicated at, by anyone else. Predictable to a fault...

MrVestek

Ohhh for feck sake, fine you don't see the point, alot of other people do. I know loads of heterosexual people who attend pride too, I guess it's a celebration of sexuality and our freedom to do as we please with it. Also... assumed sexuality? Honey, I was born this way... get over it. There are plenty of trannies and transgendered people at the parade too who are more than welcome to attend. Why do the feel the need to attend? Barating from the general populous as being 'outcasts' I'd imagine...

Not to mention that it's also a protest against civil marraige being a load of bollocks and that we're also trying to get rights for transgenered people too so that post op people are legally recognised as the gender they are, not how they were born. Surely you of all people can respect that.

Nevyn

This year I had plan next year I will be in the city cetnre with my kids.
Why ? so tht they can see that there are lots and lots and lots of people who are gay.
They are 10 and 8 and they know that being gay means you like to kiss and fall in love with people who are the same gender but they don't think that there are that many people who are gay.

The whole point of pride is to raise the public awareness level of just how many people are in fact not straight, that sexuality is a spectrum, it was wonderful that the bdsm and fetish communities got so invovled this year.

It is great that it is a week long festival instead of just a day and the more normal it becomes the better but we are still not there yet. We are still not post pride, some peolpe may be themselves but as a country and a soctiety Ireland isn't.

david_the_great

Kazobel wrote: »

Does anybody even care anymore? Having a parade because you're gay is like having a parade because you have black hair. "Pride" comes from an achievement not something you're born with, it's such a double standard because you want everybody to accept you because you're born gay (you didn't achieve gayness or anything) but then need a big parade that imply's it's better than being straight, you never see a hetrosexual pride parade and wanna know why? because they don't feel the need to constantly ram their sexuality down other peoples necks (no pun intended), all Pride is now is a way of saying "Look at me, Validate me", you can imply it's somethig else but at the end of the day it's just more attention seeking because after the "drama" of "coming out" that attention isn't there anymore is it? because deep down everybody already knew anyway. Gay pride *snigger* let's just have a parade where 40% of the population chants "I'm here, I have black hair, get use to it" I'd bet it have cheaper flags

i dont think we are ready to stopm pride marches yet

in history we have only had 25 and we ARE stil campaigning for full equal rights

and yes we havent achieved being gay- but we have acheived validating most of our ewual rights!

david_the_great

Kazobel wrote: »

Oh you :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: at me, what an excellent responce and sooooo gay, why would I need to go on a gay pride march? I'm not gay, I don't feel that need for attention that requires a parade, the only point of it is "look at me, validate me", why would I need that? I have more self respect than that where I can validate myself, I don't need half of Dublin to confirm my right to be part of society...

no we need dont need half of dublin- we need half of ireland to confirm that we should have equal rights like the rest of you so that it is legalised- this isn't a "were here, we're queer march" there is a vali meaning to it and whilst we are ther people bring up issues regarding our future, aswell as give advice about it- it is also a celebration of a 25 year lod event which happened in new york- and yes- straight people dont have a pride, but they are not having their equal rights persecuted!

Kazobel

david_the_great wrote: »

no we need dont need half of dublin- we need half of ireland to confirm that we should have equal rights like the rest of you so that it is legalised- this isn't a "were here, we're queer march" there is a vali meaning to it and whilst we are ther people bring up issues regarding our future, aswell as give advice about it- it is also a celebration of a 25 year lod event which happened in new york- and yes- straight people dont have a pride, but they are not having their equal rights persecuted!

This is to easy, straight women, on average, get paid less than men, handicapped straight people are discriminated againsed everyday, really if you can't say something sensible then don't say anything and finally it's not "Equal rights", if there were equal rights there'd be no persecution, you have just the same rights as the average joe soap, you just want more rights because "I'm gay validate me"

Goodshape

Kazobel wrote: »

This is to easy, straight women, on average, get paid less than men

http://www.internationalwomensday.com/

handicapped straight people are discriminated againsed everyday

http://www.scope.org.uk/

Kazobel

Achilles wrote: »

Not to mention that it's also a protest against civil marraige being a load of bollocks and that we're also trying to get rights for transgenered people too so that post op people are legally recognised as the gender they are, not how they were born. Surely you of all people can respect that.

Did I ask you to do that? on here I get called "He" all the time and it's only ever to take a cheap shot but guess what? I do pretty well on my own and certaintly don't need a fcuking parade to validate me. Everything I've said is true and you know it, Pride is nothing but a shallow way for gay guys to get validation because deep down they all crave that validation. You see the problem is you all see yourselves as "real men", you aspire to that ideal but then engage in activities that would be out of the "real men" norm and then bitch when straight people don't accept you, at least on here I'll fight my corner and it's always only my corner and on any given thread I could be defending myself against 20+ posters but not one of you do that, it's like a gaggle of gays, you need at least 10 before anyone will jump in and why? because you need to know that there's other queens on the sidelines ready with the validation you so crave. Go have another parade and stop bothering me with you're desperate need for acceptance.

Kazobel

MYOB wrote: »

Two posts at Kazobel mentions the T word, despite the fact that it was not mentioned, or implicated at, by anyone else. Predictable to a fault...

And this people is you're gay idea of "equal rights", see we're "the T word", validate you's as gay but call us "the T word", dehumanize us because as Orwell said "All men are equal but some are more equal than others"

L1011

Erm, can you explain how that dehumanizes you in any way, shape or form?

You bring up the fact you're transexual in every thread I've ever seen you post in, anywhere on b.ie. Generally it hasn't been mentioned before you bring it up, and you mentioning it is off-topic. In this thread, it hadn't been mentioned and it was off-topic.

The issue in this thread isn't "validation". Its that you have some baseless hatred of gay men. It may in fact be *all* men, due to comments you've made in other threads to this affect. You barge in to a thread, manage to mention you're transexual as if this alters anything you say, then go off on yet another anti-gay rant.

Nevyn

Kazobel wrote: »

Did I ask you to do that? on here I get called "He" all the time and it's only ever to take a cheap shot but guess what? I do pretty well on my own and certaintly don't need a fcuking parade to validate me. Everything I've said is true and you know it, Pride is nothing but a shallow way for gay guys to get validation because deep down they all crave that validation. You see the problem is you all see yourselves as "real men", you aspire to that ideal but then engage in activities that would be out of the "real men" norm and then bitch when straight people don't accept you, at least on here I'll fight my corner and it's always only my corner and on any given thread I could be defending myself against 20+ posters but not one of you do that, it's like a gaggle of gays, you need at least 10 before anyone will jump in and why? because you need to know that there's other queens on the sidelines ready with the validation you so crave. Go have another parade and stop bothering me with you're desperate need for acceptance.

Oh right a case of parade envy ?
Pride has never been just about gay men, it's not a flag with just a pink triangle on it.

Yes Transgender rights needs to be addressed and yes it falls under the section of human rights and yes everyone has to fight for what they should have already with sucks. I fall into several of the so called minority category's and am always happy to be an advocate and an activist for causes I believe in but there is big difference between doing that and validating someone throwing a hissy fit.

The only way to change people's view is by being a person to them first and foremost,
a person who happens also to be x,y,z rather then an angry reactionary.

Pride is part of that, it's fun, it's a party and the more people who come out to party with us the less people throwing punches.

LegacyUser

I have just read over the comments on this forum and I am Gay, and Damn Proud. We dont need to have the parade to validate our selves, or to rub it in peoples faces. The history behind gay pride to to commemorate the Stone Wall Riots. The Stonewall Riots happened when a Gay Night club was raided by the Police and Gay men an women were assualted and arrested for being who they are. After years off suppression, the gay men and women fought back for their rights. Gay pride is now celebrated to remember that day, and to remember how far it is that we have come since those dark days where its was frowned upon and criminal for being attracted to the same sex. Which i might ad, looking through some of the comments, and through societys current views of the LGBT community, there is still a lot more work to be done to secure equality. We will keep on holding gay pride until the butchest dyke and the femmeiest gay can walk down the street without fear of being assualted, taunted or being treated as unequal.

I personally do not see the harm in the parade anyway. It is a bit of fun, and unlike some of our hetro brothers and sisters, we wouldnt shun anyone from the parade or our community just becoz of their sexual preference or orientation.

I was at the parade and had such a good day, and I am proud of who I am and my sexuality.

Nevyn

Kazobel wrote: »

And this people is you're gay idea of "equal rights", see we're "the T word", validate you's as gay but call us "the T word", dehumanize us because as Orwell said "All men are equal but some are more equal than others"

There is not one definitive term for those who are transsexual, trans gender
most people are unsure which one to use that is why people will use the term T.

and really you have out done yourself with hijacking this thread for your cause, kudos.
Focus nicely shifted.

Kazobel

Thaedydal wrote: »

Oh right a case of parade envy ?
Pride has never been just about gay men, it's not a flag with just a pink triangle on it.

hahaha can't believe you've did that, does every gay man own a flag with a pink triangle? and here people we have the other stereotypical extreme "I like the gays, sure most of my friends are gay, I even bought a pink flag off one once" well done, really thank you so much for that

L1011

Kazobel wrote: »

hahaha can't believe you've did that, does every gay man own a flag with a pink triangle? and here people we have the other stereotypical extreme "I like the gays, sure most of my friends are gay, I even bought a pink flag off one once" well done, really thank you so much for that

*woosh*

As you completely and utterly misunderstand what Thaedydal said.

Kazobel

MYOB wrote: »

*woosh*

As you completely and utterly misunderstand what Thaedydal said.

Well thank you for clearing it up then, that post was soooo helpful

L1011

Pride is not solely for gay men. You were implying it was. Thaedydal was pointing that out by making a reference to a pink triangle - a standard symbol used exclusively for gay men since its introduction in the concentration camps - and how this is *not* a symbol used for Pride.

The six-striped rainbow flag, however, is. This flag is meant to be a symbol of peace, sexuality (any sexuality), healing, etc.

anotherlostie

God you really are a vile little troll. Every post, everywhere is about you being transsexual, and we've all got to listen.

I think most peoplel are fed up now. Why not go back to your own site www.wotsdacraic.com where the other five or so members agree with everything you have to say. No maybe you can't because you have to feed off annoying other people and trolling. You did it on Gaire until the webmaster got fed up. Hopefully it will happen here soon too.

Now, could we get back to Pride? A super day despite the weather (and IMHO Brian Kennedy's singing). Apparently two low rent drag queens attacked, and kicked to the ground, a man holding a religious banner. Panti mentioned it last night at the make and do.

Nevyn

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_flag_%28gay_movement%29

L1011

anotherlostie wrote: »

Now, could we get back to Pride? A super day despite the weather (and IMHO Brian Kennedy's singing). Apparently two low rent drag queens attacked, and kicked to the ground, a man holding a religious banner. Panti mentioned it last night at the make and do.

Heard about the attack, not good to attack peaceful protesters (which he was, unlike religious protesters in the past), not good at all...

Had a great night, met up with loads of lads I hadn't seen since school, including a few who'd come out since then.

Rev Hellfire

MYOB wrote: »

pink triangle - a standard symbol used exclusively for gay men since its introduction in the concentration camps

Must admit I never knew that, you learn something new everyday.

L1011

Rev Hellfire wrote: »

Must admit I never knew that, you learn something new everyday.

For some reason I'm detecting a level of sarcasm here? Possibly not...

Rev Hellfire

MYOB wrote: »

For some reason I'm detecting a level of sarcasm here? Possibly not...

Bizarrely not. I genuinely didn’t know; no reason too.

L1011

Rev Hellfire wrote: »

Bizarrely not. I genuinely didn’t know; no reason too.

My apologies then, long day...

panda100

anotherlostie wrote: »

Now, could we get back to Pride? A super day despite the weather (and IMHO Brian Kennedy's singing). Apparently two low rent drag queens attacked, and kicked to the ground, a man holding a religious banner. Panti mentioned it last night at the make and do.

No way!!Did that really happen??

The only neagtive aspect I saw, and tbh you couldnt really notice it, was some old guy outside the crazy religious shop on O'Connel street with his back turned to the parade shaking his head, and one of my comrades from the Socialist party was given a leaflet on how homosexuality is a sin.

You really can only feel sorry for people like this.Many of these people were brought up in a differnet generation and have just been brainwashed by the catholic church. You can only show tolerance to these people,being violent towards them is definatly not the answer.

I have to say fair play to Pavee point and the INTO for having banners and representatives at the march.

I got propostioned three times during the march! One of the girls looked like Agness Deyn. I think I have a small gay following after my anti Miss UCD antics

MrVestek

I'm kicking myself that I missed the actual march itself now... and c'mon Brian Kennedy's singing wasn't *too* bad! Who was yer wan before him tho, the one who was going on about 'blah blah blah what's the name of my new single?'

Attention seeking bitch, lol. If anyone wanted validation that night, it was that straight blonde haired singer chick.

MrVestek

This says it all by the way:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=56221113&postcount=36

Not like how you are in real life? I sincerely hope not...

Kazobel

anotherlostie wrote: »

God you really are a vile little troll. Every post, everywhere is about you being transsexual, and we've all got to listen.

I think most peoplel are fed up now. Why not go back to your own site www.wotsdacraic.com where the other five or so members agree with everything you have to say. No maybe you can't because you have to feed off annoying other people and trolling. You did it on Gaire until the webmaster got fed up. Hopefully it will happen here soon too.

Now, could we get back to Pride? A super day despite the weather (and IMHO Brian Kennedy's singing). Apparently two low rent drag queens attacked, and kicked to the ground, a man holding a religious banner. Panti mentioned it last night at the make and do.

My site has nothing to do with this, I don't even advertise my site it's only there for my friends and I maintain it. It always get's dragged into the insults but I'd love to see someone like you be able to build a site like that from nothing

Nobody got "fed up" with me on Gaire, I left Gaire because it was full of bitchy little queens and "I'm not gay really, I just like girls with cocks" types and really after a while you's are fcuking irritating, at least with me you know who I am everywhere, I'm not embarrassed to be me but look at you, you hide behind usernames and no one knows who you are on Gaire but still you feel like that gives you the right to critize another persons actions on a different site and post those actions here. I've said it before I'll say it again Gay pride my ass, if you had any pride in being gay you wouldn't be fcuking posting anonamously...

Kazobel

Achilles wrote: »

This says it all by the way:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=56221113&postcount=36

Not like how you are in real life? I sincerely hope not...

How I am in real life is my business, I get by and that's all that matters to me, since how I act is in question I'd wonder if you're all the same in real life too?

L1011

A vB forum is extremely easy to 'build from nothing', you pay Jelsoft your money and install it. If you mean the 7000 odd posts it has, thats not worth boasting about.

Anyway, are you going to be civil and post on topic, or are you going to continue talking solely about yourself and how you clearly hate everyone that isn't you, or at least manage to make it seem that way?

jaffa20

I am gay and i actually agree with Kasobel on many points. Some more than others but i hate it when other gay, bi, transgender or whatever categorise themselves as part of a group...eg:LGBT societies.

Don't you think this is discriminatory and contradictory as we are highlighting differences when we want to be treated as equals! If we want to have rights just like others then why limit ourselves to these groups. One of my friend keeps annoying me about joining the glb society and to join the parade .Why would i want to- to highlight the fact that i am proud...i can be still be proud without that. I don't have to publicly display that im gay.

So, in my opinion, discrimination is at the core of these social groups who like to classify themselves as "different". If we want to achieve equal rights, this is not the way to do it.

Don't argue with my opinion because to each his own.