Speeding through Kilmacanogue

Evenescent

Has anyone ever been caught speeding in Kilmacanogue?

Are there cameras? 'Tis bizzare ! There is a 60 speed limit and those in the left crawl along - those in the right lane can be doing almost 100 - feel like a tool in the left lane .. .. :rolleyes:

ian_m

I saw someone getting done today southbound. There are no fixed cameras there.

mikedragon32

They have speed checks there from time to time, normally set up on the left just after the Esso station in behind the wall so you can't see them as you're slowing down from 100 to 60 travelling northbound.

It's a bit crafty I guess, but I'm sure the limit is 60 for a reason. I've seen plenty of occasions when folks get stopped along there.

foxy06

Could never understand why the limit was 60 until I tried to leave that garage. You only have a few meters to get out onto the duel carriageway and thats driving straight through a slip road. It's almost impossible to pick up enough speed when other cars are coming at you at 100kmh.

Creamy Goodness

what they should do at the garage is, to make you go up and around the roundabout and back down to the N11.

ian_m

Cremo wrote: »

what they should do at the garage is, to make you go up and around the roundabout and back down to the N11.

That or everyone else just slow down a bit.

prodigal_son

ian_m wrote: »

That or everyone else just slow down a bit.

Its a joke making people slow down for the sake of a petrol station. They should have just put some thought into the petrol station and planned it better.

Large on and off roads, thats all thats needed.

I would class it as dangerous, when you slow down to 60, and cars (in one case a large dump truck) scream up behind you at 100+ and then try to hop into the right lane in a very dangerous manoeuvre to get around you.

Jemmy

Theres no fixed cameras, but i have seen people getting caught. They hide in at the entrance for Avoca Handweavers when your going northbound. Southbound ive been told in by the bridge.

mikedragon32

Jemmy wrote: »

Theres no fixed cameras, but i have seen people getting caught. They hide in at the entrance for Avoca Handweavers when your going northbound. Southbound ive been told in by the bridge.

Or sometimes, going southbound, they are on the central reservation under the flyover. Very hard to pick them out down there and they have a long range to pick you out!

As for the Shell Station, you're SUPPOSED to go up the slip road and join the N11 after the flyover!

Alun

ian_m wrote: »

That or everyone else just slow down a bit.

It's got bugger all to do with 'slowing down a bit' ... whichever idiot allowed that junction to be designed such that people coming out of the garage come out onto, and have to merge onto the N11, from an OFF RAMP for the Glendalough exit should be hung, drawn, quartered and any traffic engineering qualifications he might have removed ceremoniously from his writhing dead body. And that's putting it mildly

You could put a 50km/h limit on that bit of road and it still wouldn't make it any safer.

Alun

mikedragon32 wrote: »

As for the Shell Station, you're SUPPOSED to go up the slip road and join the N11 after the flyover!

Common sense would indeed dictate that you should do this, if you were made aware of the situation as you left the station, or if you knew the road beforehand, but IIRC there are no signs saying you should do this as you leave the station, and if you're a stranger to the area, you'd have no idea as you left that someone could be that stupid to design a junction like that.

The whole thing is made even more dangerous by idiot truck drivers who park in the slip road with their 'park anywhere hazard lights' on, to presumably just pop into the Shell station for their breakfast roll / fags / copy of the Sun, as was the case this morning when I took that exit. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

ian_m

Alun wrote: »

Common sense would indeed dictate that you should do this, if you were made aware of the situation as you left the station, or if you knew the road beforehand, but IIRC there are no signs saying you should do this as you leave the station, and if you're a stranger to the area, you'd have no idea as you left that someone could be that stupid to design a junction like that.

How would you go about explaining that to drivers? It would only cause confusion. This is why they have implemented the speed limit. It's easier to get people to slow down and easier for people to merge.

Alun

ian_m wrote: »

How would you go about explaining that to drivers? It would only cause confusion. This is why they have implemented the speed limit. It's easier to get people to slow down and easier for people to merge.

Very easily I'd imagine.

It's just a plain stupid arrangement, full stop. Deliberately design and build something that is, by definition, unsafe and contrary to every traffic engineering rule in the book, and then impose a speed limit to make it "safe". The phrase "only in Ireland" springs to mind. Even 60km/h isn't enough to make something that obviously insane safe by any reasonable measure.

stovelid

Drive there daily. I have often seen police crouched behind the wall of the glencormack estate (northbound), just before the entrance but never any on the southbound road.

The garages on either side beggar belief: Southbound you have people zipping out of the garage as you attempt to take the slip road; northbound, you have people queuing to enter the garage and blocking the slip, and then two to three buses that may pull out as you enter the dual carriageway.

mikedragon32

Perhaps the slip road at Shell needs to be separated from the carriageway with barriers or something?

It means you'd have to join the slip earlier, but it would also prevent cars coming out of the garage and straight onto the N11.

Supercell

I have to use that damn exit every day on the way into work, in winter in the rain with spray flying around, I've had a few near misses even with slower traffic, any faster would be total disaster.
That damn Shell Garrage and the truckers that park out side it totally wrecks my head! I've seen traffic backed up almost to the Eniskerry turnoff on R755 because of idiots parking opposite that garage.

foxy06

mikedragon32 wrote: »

Perhaps the slip road at Shell needs to be separated from the carriageway with barriers or something?

It means you'd have to join the slip earlier, but it would also prevent cars coming out of the garage and straight onto the N11.

I think there was talk of doing this but not sure if anything will come of it. Would be a good idea imo. Very unsafe and no signs saying you are supposed to go over the flyover.

loobylou

Agree with most posters re. the Shell garage. However it would not be necessary to put up barriers or signs, a continuous white line should be enough.

Creamy Goodness

loobylou wrote: »

Agree with most posters re. the Shell garage. However it would not be necessary to put up barriers or signs, a continuous white line should be enough.

yes i agree with a single continious white line, but it's ireland we are talking about here, if you put a big red button on the top of grafton street with a sign saying do not push, the button will be pushed. ditto for this line as people are in the habit of rejoining the N11 from the garage. A barrier is the only way to stop them.

AMIIAM

The Shell garage southbound is a recipe for a MAJOR pile-up sometime

ian_m

AMIIAM wrote: »

The Shell garage southbound is a recipe for a MAJOR pile-up sometime

Not so sure about that. If people keep to the speed limit then it is highly unlikely. Major pile ups happen on motorways.

loyatemu

the Kilmac section of the N11 is fundamentally badly designed. There should be continuous, seperated slip-roads on boths sides through the village to handle the local traffic - they could then raise the limit on the main carriageways to 80.

Eoin

loyatemu wrote: »

the Kilmac section of the N11 is fundamentally badly designed. There should be continuous, seperated slip-roads on boths sides through the village to handle the local traffic - they could then raise the limit on the main carriageways to 80.

I think only the Southbound lane is a problem, the Northbound one has a decent slip road for both exiting and entering. Yet, of course, that's where the speed guns are.

ian_m wrote:

Major pile ups happen on motorways.

Are you sure about that? I know that motorway fatalities make up only a very small percentage, and I think pile ups are rare enough also.

Alun

eoin_s wrote: »

I think only the Southbound lane is a problem, the Northbound one has a decent slip road for both exiting and entering. Yet, of course, that's where the speed guns are.

Yes, I've always wondered what the problem is with the northbound section that warrants the 60km/h limit. The slip road exiting from that side is plenty long enough, although that doesn't stop people exiting the garage from suddenly stopping dead as if they were almost surprised to see a road there

brayblue24

You wanna try cycling past the Shell garage....

One day cycling northbound past the Esso I was going to turn left past Avoca towards Kilcroney. When I signalled left at the hatched markings by pure chance I glanced over my left shoulder which was then nearly removed by a truck from a well known local refuse collection firm that had crossed the hatch markings and into my path. In fairness when I got home and calmed down I rang to complain. Call was returned by Transport Manager who then spoke to driver of truck (which happened to be owner/driver) and had his driving reassessed before he was given any more work by said company.
Can't argue with that feedback!!

Evenescent

'Tis just bizarre.


Surely hundreds of people could be stopped along there daily, including me.

everyone just tears on through - never seems to be a bother

dazmetron

Alun wrote: »

Yes, I've always wondered what the problem is with the northbound section that warrants the 60km/h limit. The slip road exiting from that side is plenty long enough, although that doesn't stop people exiting the garage from suddenly stopping dead as if they were almost surprised to see a road there

There is a stop sign just past the Esso garage as the road splits to form the bus stop and the slip lane. Why the sign is there I don't know, you are going out into a dedicated slip land and there is no white line across the road so the sign is ignored by everyone (including the Gardai) except tourists and people who don't use the road regularly.

Charlie-Bravo

There are draft proposals for that section of road....by the looks of it they are going to increase the north bound section to 80km/h and keep the south bound to 60km/h

You can see the proposal here

All other Wicklow draft proposals are on the wicklow.ie website here

Eoin

astrofluff wrote: »

There are draft proposals for that section of road....by the looks of it they are going to increase the north bound section to 80km/h and keep the south bound to 60km/h

That actually makes sense.

HashSlinging

yeah seem to fly through, but the speed limit is a joke, 60kph. Heres a camera..

http://michaelr.camstreams.com/

LEIN

HashSlinging wrote: »

yeah seem to fly through, but the speed limit is a joke, 60kph. Heres a camera..

http://michaelr.camstreams.com/

Where is that camera? I have driven up that road a million times and cant see the fecker & very rarely see garda presence too.

Eoin

damo9090 wrote: »

Where is that camera? I have driven up that road a million times and cant see the fecker & very rarely see garda presence too.

That camera looks quite low, and in a good few yards from the road, so I imagine not too easy to spot.

When there's a speed check, they are up near where the speed limit goes back to 100 behind the wall. I'm not one for Gardai-bashing, but not even the most gullible of people could call that anything but a revenue generator.

LEIN

Think most of it is. Seen them on a bridge over N11 at Bray few weeks ago at 6:10AM targeting Joe soap on his way to work instead of the back roads where people are dieing every weekend.

JasperKat

my mother-in-law was caught speeding & didn't know about it until she rec'd a brown envelope with the 'oficial details' in it - fined & 3 penalty points on her licence! she was hopping mad, I used to borrow her car from time to time during the week (with her full knowledge & permission, of course) but this was a sunday afternoon & i was out of the country over the w/end she was caught but she still to this day insists it was me driving & not her! :mad::mad:

I offered to call the gardai & get it checked out but she wouldn't hear of it, just paid up & kept moaning ever since, but at 82 she's delighted to be called speedy by the grand-kids..... :D:D:D

Jasper

brayblue24

HashSlinging wrote: »

yeah seem to fly through, but the speed limit is a joke, 60kph. Heres a camera..

http://michaelr.camstreams.com/

Folks, so you know, that's not a speed camera

LEIN

brayblue24 wrote: »

Folks, so you know, that's not a speed camera

No white lines no speed camera.

brayblue24

damo9090 wrote: »

No white lines no speed camera.

Precisely

LEIN

I was driving through Kilmacanogue today northbound at about 15:00 doing a speed of about 70kph.

Just before the entrance to Avoca there was a Garda car and a Garda hiding behind the wall with a speed gun.

It was well too late by the time i spotted him to slow down.

I'm wondering if i will get a fine and points.

Do they not need to stop me or do they have the gun hooked up to something in the car.

It looked like he just had the radar gun with noting else.

This happen anyone else and did they get points and fine?

seadog9

foxy06 wrote: »

Could never understand why the limit was 60 until I tried to leave that garage. You only have a few meters to get out onto the duel carriageway and thats driving straight through a slip road. It's almost impossible to pick up enough speed when other cars are coming at you at 100kmh.

Ahhh, that explains it. I always thought it was like that to catch speedsters.

SickCert

Damo9090 wrote: »

I was driving through Kilmacanogue today northbound at about 15:00 doing a speed of about 70kph.

Just before the entrance to Avoca there was a Garda car and a Garda hiding behind the wall with a speed gun.

It was well too late by the time i spotted him to slow down.

I'm wondering if i will get a fine and points.

Do they not need to stop me or do they have the gun hooked up to something in the car.

It looked like he just had the radar gun with noting else.

This happen anyone else and did they get points and fine?

You only get the posted one from the gatso van.

Now from driving this area daily it should be 60kph.
Two petrol stations, one of which allow HGVs to fuel up leading to at least 4/5 trucks queued up at peak.
Glens fuel centre leading to slow trucks entering the traffic flow laden.
Tractors etc merging from the roundwood side.
Bus eireann also merging with traffic, Dublin bus merging with traffic (67kph restricted).
Tourist coaches coming from Roundwood/Avoca centre.
Lets face it to slow down to 60kph for 30 seconds costs you nothing, your back on full throttle and on your way then.

LEIN

SickCert wrote: »

You only get the posted one from the gatso van.

Now from driving this area daily it should be 60kph.
Two petrol stations, one of which allow HGVs to fuel up leading to at least 4/5 trucks queued up at peak.
Glens fuel centre leading to slow trucks entering the traffic flow laden.
Tractors etc merging from the roundwood side.
Bus eireann also merging with traffic, Dublin bus merging with traffic (67kph restricted).
Tourist coaches coming from Roundwood/Avoca centre.
Lets face it to slow down to 60kph for 30 seconds costs you nothing, your back on full throttle and on your way then.

Thanks for reply.

Thats very understandable and fair enough but its very hard to keep to 60kph on an empty road and the bmw driver behind me wants to drive in my boot instead of just overtaking me.

Eoin

Yawn - save the BMW bashing for the motors forum. Stay in the driving lane, and let him/her drive as close to your bumper as they like. They'll be at fault if anything happens.

Let's keep it on topic please.

LEIN

eoin wrote: »

Yawn - save the BMW bashing for the motors forum. Stay in the driving lane, and let him/her drive as close to your bumper as they like. They'll be at fault if anything happens.

Let's keep it on topic please.

Great input to the thread there Eoin.

If you had of read my posts properly you would have found its to de with speeding through Kilmacanogue.

So maybe you should be sticking the point.

Eoin

Thread locked.

Damo9090 - you have a problem with the moderation then you take it to PM.

I read your post thoroughly, and it seemed to be the usual "bmw drivers are ****" crap that crops up on the motors forum the whole time.