is metal turning gay???(ie MCR A7X FOB etc)

MorrisORegan

okay, so ive noticed that people feel MUCH stronger about what they hate rather than what they like.

Bands like My comical romance are, IMO, ruining the metal scene for anyone and everyone.

when i was a child i was lured into the music by the sheer toughness and aggression of bands like Pantera, Metallica, Slayer etc.

what impressionable spotty 13-year old boy is gonna look at MCR's queer frontman crying in his videos and think to himself: "wow i wanna be just like him, i bet hes soooo tough and could beat up ANYONE"????

A GAY MFING CHILD THATS WHO!!!!

now if it was against phil anselmo with his no BS f*ck the authorities attitude, that kid would be a lot different.

Avenged sevenfold, are kind of a grey area IMO, theyre a lot tougher and meaner than MCR, but only because theyre ripping off every other bands gimmick EVAR!!!!

i want to shoot their guitarist, didnt he give himself some silly stage name???

so basically, what bands do you guys hate, why, and do you think they are to the benifit or detriment of the most popular non-popular music of all time???

METAL!!!!
\m/ \m/


note, i dont count MCR or fallout boy as metal.
just thought id better clear that up.

Karl Hungus

Metal turning gay? Quick, warn Rob Halford! He wouldn't stand for this! :mad:

Ph3n0m

Oh sweet jesus. you see this is what happens when you let brothers and sisters marry each other.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6839.html

You were "lured" into metal by its sheer toughness and agression - so what you cant be tough, angry and gay?

Moron

MorrisORegan

Karl Hungus wrote: »

Metal turning gay? Quick, warn Rob Halford! He wouldn't stand for this! :mad:

lol

okay, maybe i should have named the thread, is metal going soft, that prob wouldve been more accurate.

rob halford......good'un.

GhostInTheRuins

How old are you?

MorrisORegan

Mr.S wrote: »

Who in gods name classed FOB and MCR as metal, i've never ever heard anyone link the two together, not even the bands themselves class themselves as metal

yes i understad that, but they are, like it or not, the mainstream counterpart of metal, the bands that kids will listen too in order to get into the music.


what kid do you know that listens to slipknot in his new ipod that mommy and daddy got him for his 9th birthday while hes having a kick around on the green???

and believe me, those 2 bands you mentioned, tear at my soul.


i

hate


them.

MorrisORegan

GhostInTheRuins wrote: »

How old are you?

7. and you?

Blackhorse Slim

My son is 8. While he doesn't have an ipod, he listens to Thin Lizzy and Metallica. I'm hoping he'll grow out of Metallica.

MorrisORegan

Blackhorse Slim wrote: »

My son is 8. While he doesn't have an ipod, he listens to Thin Lizzy and Metallica. I'm hoping he'll grow out of Metallica.

and fair play to him, but im not talking about the sons of people whos father view the rock and metal forum on boards.ie, im talking about ALL THE OTHER CHILDREN ASWELL!!!!

not saying your child is wierdo or anything, but not all kids are into it.

and its QUEER bands like my comical romance and fallout boi that gonna bring them in.

and im just enquiring if they(the bands) are displaying an accurate message of what it means to rock.

and to all posters, im entitled to my opinion, so if you dont like it, go comb your hair, sit in a dark corner, cut you wrists, and shut the f*uck up.

or give out to me on the net, either way, your still waisting valuable air.

MoominPapa

Big deal. Metal turned gay years ago and heres the proof:



Just remember - Keep reaching for the rainbow as Ronnie Dio might say (who is obviously also gay)

GhostInTheRuins

That's manliness, not gayness.

Doctor J

Metal turned gay in the 90's where were yiz all? Now it's turning metrosexual! :pac:

Karl Hungus

Ph3n0m wrote: »

Moron

You can make your point without resorting to calling people morons, thanks.

Metallica



And who could forget Slayers earlier efforts






Whats all this gay talk??

Karl Hungus

Honestly, it's a pretty ridiculous argument. Does it really effect anyone if there's some kids listening to MCR? Not really. If there was no MCR would the kids suddenly be listening to Slayer and the likes? Hardly, because heavier music just wouldn't appeal to them.

Everyone goes through periods of discovering their taste in music, it's really part of growing up, and I'm sure we've all got some embarrassing things we listened to when we were in our teen years. I know I've had a few CDs I brought to a second hand shop with a red face.

And honestly, does a frontman's ability to beat someone up mean they make better music? If music to you is merely a macho display, then why not go listen to some gangster rap instead? I hear 50 Cent took a bullet or two in his time, that must make him cool enough to listen to, right? :pac:

Listen to music for the music, not for attitude, not for some machismo or anything else. Listen to it because you enjoy it. If someone else enjoys music you don't, what business is it of yours?

MorrisORegan

Karl Hungus wrote: »

Honestly, it's a pretty ridiculous argument. Does it really effect anyone if there's some kids listening to MCR? Not really. If there was no MCR would the kids suddenly be listening to Slayer and the likes? Hardly, because heavier music just wouldn't appeal to them.

Everyone goes through periods of discovering their taste in music, it's really part of growing up, and I'm sure we've all got some embarrassing things we listened to when we were in our teen years. I know I've had a few CDs I brought to a second hand shop with a red face.

And honestly, does a frontman's ability to beat someone up mean they make better music? If music to you is merely a macho display, then why not go listen to some gangster rap instead? I hear 50 Cent took a bullet or two in his time, that must make him cool enough to listen to, right? :pac:

Listen to music for the music, not for attitude, not for some machismo or anything else. Listen to it because you enjoy it. If someone else enjoys music you don't, what business is it of yours?

i agree, i didnt mean a macho display, i just feel that going f*cking mental and the "skinhead" mentality appeals to me more than the "comb my hair over my face and wear purple clothes" mentality. not that appearance matters to me either, its just the way in which i define the mindsets. i appologize if i stated my case inaccurately, hope you can understand what im on about, even if you dont agree with it.

MoominPapa

GhostInTheRuins wrote: »

That's manliness, not gayness.

lol

pleasant Co.

What if you are gay.. and you listen to a gay metal band.. that's fronted by a gay guy/gal... are you like, uber mega gay or something?
this heavy discussion really has me wondering... is metal creating a new sexual preference of super-gay...

Damn, are we going to have another group to segregate? all this worry is worrying me..

Doctor J

Soon metal will be so gay only people called Gay will be allowed play it. Gay Byrne, he's on drums.

MoominPapa

New sub-forum: Rock & Metal -> Gay Metal?
ZakAttak for mod

mark13

Deleted User wrote: »

Metallica



And who could forget Slayers earlier efforts






Whats all this gay talk??

"when i was a child i was lured into the music by the sheer toughness and aggression of bands like Pantera, Metallica, Slayer etc."



:pac: Congratulations on your post bmbm,you've sucessfully proved the O.P's perspective on metal and image is completely ridiculous A+++

Fad

MorrisORegan wrote: »

i agree, i didnt mean a macho display, i just feel that going f*cking mental and the "skinhead" mentality appeals to me more than the "comb my hair over my face and wear purple clothes" mentality. not that appearance matters to me either, its just the way in which i define the mindsets. i appologize if i stated my case inaccurately, hope you can understand what im on about, even if you dont agree with it.

why do you feel so strongly about it?
why does it bother you in the slightest, i think Slayer are kinda rubbish, do i go around shouting that i think theyre over rated (and might i add that their image was once alot camper than MCR's ever will be) i think that a slayer solo is kinda like static on a radio, no i just get on with it and awknowlege theyre contribution to music.

This probably wont be recieved exceptionally well but im a HUGE MCR fan, is it the only band i like no i like next to everything (Emperor, Mayhem, Metallica, Abigail Williams, Weezer, Boyz Noize pretty much anything anything that does rap ). Whats the point of me saying this, im not ''gay'', im not emo, i just like those bands (FOB included).

My point is though, your the kinda person that makes music bad, and by that i mean your kinda like an indie hipster who only like band who play in dumpsters and release only on poorly recorded 8tracks. You are are whats wrong with the music scene today.

If you had kids (if you do i pity the woman you managed to sneak up upon and insemeninate :P) which would you prefer them to listen to, something awful attempt at a reggae flavour song like Sean Kingston or something thats well written like MCR?

Fad

sorry for the double post, i just realise that Phil from Pantera has his hair over his eye in the second Pantera pic, this has made my day OP



Phil Anselmo, more like Phil AnslEMO

Driver 8

Slayer or My Chemical Romance?

Choices like that make me want to do a Van Gogh....

B-max

Gay since guitars (hair, solo's and tight pants) went out of fashion!
I like metal, but who likes the "louis walsh pop version" of metal?
More edge these days in rock/electronic music as far as I'm concerned
blah blah blah what?

Fad

perhaps i should clear that up, i dont think MCR are better but i PREFER them to Slayer

Driver 8

That's fine Fad, i don't think they're better either

Fad

Driver 8 wrote: »

That's fine Fad, i don't think they're better either

well then

Slayer do tour with good bands (ie Trivium and Mastodon is the next one, i do not know id this will be promoted my the forbidden promoter IF it comes here, if it will be, remove this)

Driver 8

You were going so well

Ugh...the mere mention of Trivium makes me shudder. But hey, my sn comes from an R.E.M. song, that makes me gay too, right :rolleyes:

Fad

Driver 8 wrote: »

You were going so well

Ugh...the mere mention of Trivium makes me shudder. But hey, my sn comes from an R.E.M. song, that makes me gay too, right :rolleyes:

i dunno i like the music their faux tough guy image is a bit much.

but what about Mastodon? now theres a band

Léan

Uh, don't really get what this thread is trying to achieve. MCR and Avenged Seven Fold aren't even metal, they're just the latest crappy hyped up bands that are around all the time. Linkin park and Limp Bizkit anyone? It's all the same.

Metal is more accessible now then ever before, every genre of it too. So to narrow it down to those two sh1t bands and say it's becoming "gay" seems utterly pointless to me.

Driver 8

It is indeed a band. What quality of band is another issue Dull comes to mind. Repetitive. And so on. Not my cup of tea i'm afraid.

Fad

Driver 8 wrote: »

It is indeed a band. What quality of band is another issue Dull comes to mind. Repetitive. And so on. Not my cup of tea i'm afraid.

yeah i think i wont press the issue :P

but my point is: i think in order for metal to expand i think it needs but less up its own arse

Driver 8

Up its own arse? Not the best eupheism given the thread title.

Metal is, by its nature, up its own arse, its a pompous, overwrought genre. Sometimes that's whats best about it, sometimes it breeds attitudes like the OP's.

adox

Can gays not be tough and aggressive?

I seem to be completely missing the point of this thread

The OP thinks that some bands are crap,fair enough, but I dont get where the gay reference comes in??

c - 13

Well to be honest your examples could be classed as "gateway bands" (Where have we heard that expression before ? )

When I first got into metal it was through "gay" bands like Limp Bizkit and Korn I used those as a starting point, I progressed onto the likes of deftones and from there to Pantera, Slayer and the like, from there onto Death metal and from there to progressive and so on.


So basically those bands (although I cant listen to most of their releases anymore) were the ones that got me into metal proper.

So if even a small percentage find their way to the more hardcore stuff from listening to the likes of MCR then more power to them.

And even if they dont is their choice of band really going to affect anyone ? I mean th ehardcore bands will release their stuff for the fans and the "popular bands" will release their stuff for the masses. No harm dont to anyone.

Dark Artist

Metal for me isn't about posing and playing the tough homophobe, it's just music to be enjoyed like any other music. As for 'gayness' OP, the guys from MCR have probably screwed more women than you have or ever will.

KatiexKOUTURE--

Whoever classed MCR an FOB as metal were very wrong...

IMO my chemical romance are a bunch of whining, crying b@stards...

Mr.S

Mr.S wrote: »

Who in gods name classed FOB and MCR as metal, i've never ever heard anyone link the two together, not even the bands themselves class themselves as metal

My thoughts exactly.

Somebody is exagerating a tad.

Den_M

The (only) good thing about this thread is that it made me reailse Tom Araya and John Romero were separated at birth...

For anyone not completely familiar with Pantera's earlier image,I shall allow the guys to introduce themselves,as only a horribly camp 80's band could..

If you like it "hot and heavy",they've got it:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ86h_tIsgY

:eek:

Sinfonia

Deleted User wrote: »

The Pantera stuff

Jesus christ!
That's crazy, Dimebag looks like Screech in a wig! And sounds like him too! :eek:

blindpilot

MCR and Fallout Boy are not metal they are pop bands who will continue to churn out the obligatory three minutes of drivel they have to so they can stay on the radio for a few weeks more. Listen to Meshuggah. Thats real metal.

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4

FOB and MCR are as metal as coldplay

ANarcho-Munk

Fad wrote: »

My point is though, your the kinda person that makes music bad, and by that i mean your kinda like an indie hipster who only like band who play in dumpsters and release only on poorly recorded 8tracks. You are are whats wrong with the music scene today.

What? What's wrong with that?

Ever hear of Big Black, no?:pac:

Bringing sound quality and bands that are obscure into the fray just cos their faces aren't on NME or Metal Hammer is a bit strange. Did you ever think that a lot of bands simply don't have the money to pay for state of the art recordings?

Fad

ANarcho-Munk wrote: »

Did you ever think that a lot of bands simply don't have the money to pay for state of the art recordings?

No i didnt actually, because realistically a session in a recording studio isnt that expensive (im talking a small one, nothing particularly fancy) and burning it on to a cd is a helluve lot easier than faffing around with tape in this day and age

Panthro

the metal scene is rather like the shoe industry, some shoes u would wear till the cows came home,other shoes u wouldnt wear even if you had to cross a big field covered in ice.

LightofDarkness

Sorry pal, you seem FAR more image conscious than any of the MCR fans. You are image conscious to the point of insecurity, in that you feel the need to bash and overstate your own "opinion" (if you can call this straw-man argument an opinion) to make yourself seem superior in some way, and are even so self-righteous as to act as a sort of observant social preservationist, saving the ignorant kiddies from themselves and the deceitful ne'er-do-good emo bands.

What would you have them do, ban all music that does not enforce the skin-head ideal? Just because the kids would rather listen to music than kick a ball around doesn't mean they fail at life. Maybe all this time spent listening to music will ignite a creative spark, enabling them to create amazing music of their own in years to come.

And I'm having trouble piecing together this ambiguity surrounding your use of the word "gay." Most of the MCR kids I see seem to be paired up in a fairly hetero way with one another. If you mean they seem happy, then I don't know about that.

For the record, I actually enjoy a few Fallout Boy song, they're catchy, fun and just mindless, serves as a nice break from the death/black-metal, electronia and what not. I could listen to Cryptopsy and then immediately switch on some Fallout Boy, then maybe a little Mutemath and then some King Crimson. Music doesn't suck so much when you learn to embrace what's good about all of it instead immediately "poo-poo"ing everythign that can't be labelled as tuff, hXc or MEHTALLLL. In summary: live a little.

gucci

Dark Artist wrote: »

Metal for me isn't about posing and playing the tough homophobe, it's just music to be enjoyed like any other music. As for 'gayness' OP, the guys from MCR have probably screwed more women than you have or ever will.

I was enjoying the thread up until i read this, god darn it!
I think this thread obviously should lead to a sticky made up of really camp photos of bands!The Pantera ones are hilarious!

If you dont like certain bands, then you have the option to change the channel(or basically dont bother turning on any mtv channels!), turn off the radio or move to a different tent, its not worth getting worried about seriously!

GhostInTheRuins

gucci wrote: »

I think this thread obviously should lead to a sticky made up of really camp photos of bands!

I agree

MorrisORegan

and i would be responsible for creating a sticky???? really??/ little old me??? YAHOO!!!