What are the best brands of supplement in your opinion and why?

LegacyUser

More specifically, I'm looking for the best pre workout and best post workout supplement going? Can anyone recommend them por favor?

Mucho Gracias

Relevant

Pre: Two bananas and a bowl of porridge

Post: Orange RAM and a tin of Beans

Hornd

All round product

SciVation Xtend - BCAAs take them pre and post workout 5 grams before and 10 or 15 after with WaxyMaize.

Pre

VPX NO Shotgun (New flavour - make sure you get it - The old one was battery acid flavour!)
Gaspari Superpump


Post
Any type of Waxy Maize
IDS WaxyMaize
Vitargo (might be heavy on the stomach tho)
Species Carbolyze

Take one scoop maybe 40 - 50 grams with 10 or 15 of bcaa's and the your protein shake bout 30 min to an hour after. And you can take 5 grams of creatine mono aswell.

Degsy

Hornd wrote: »

All round product

SciVation Xtend - BCAAs take them pre and post workout 5 grams before and 10 or 15 after with WaxyMaize.

Pre

VPX NO Shotgun (New flavour - make sure you get it - The old one was battery acid flavour!)
Gaspari Superpump


Post
Any type of Waxy Maize
IDS WaxyMaize
Vitargo (might be heavy on the stomach tho)
Species Carbolyze

Take one scoop maybe 40 - 50 grams with 10 or 15 of bcaa's and the your protein shake bout 30 min to an hour after. And you can take 5 grams of creatine mono aswell.

Is waxymaize the same as maltodextrin?

Hanley

I honestly think that when it comes down to it, the best supplement is going to be the one you beleive the most in. Regardless of how relatively good it is.

Hornd

NO!!!!! This is what i have been taking about in my previous posts. All people see is NutX and nothing else. When someone mentions something else people just dont take it in. It was mentioned by a poster a while ago but he wasnt even acknowledged. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055280631&highlight=waxy+maize




Dextrose IS inferior to Waxy Maize.

Waxy maize is a heavy weight carbohydrate that by-passes digestion.
Waxy Maize bypasses digestion and goes directly to the small intestine pulling aminos, creatine, leucine, etc with it, where it is immediately absorbed. Waxy Maize is sugar-free but still causes a massive insulin spike, but it clears from the blood stream very quickly.

Dextrose does not bypass digestion, it has to sit in the stomach and wait for blood to come to the area to start the digestion process. And this can cause bloating. More importantly, since it has to be digested this slows down the whole recovery process. Dextrose will also cause a massive insulin spike, but does not clear the blood stream quickly. Because of this you have high circulating levels of blood glucose for hours.

If you add something to waxy maize that absolutely requires digestion, (like Whey protein) the waxy maize cannot do what it supposed to do,...by-pass digestion. Because of this it slows down the recovery process, causing your recovery to be not as efficient as it could be. If your not letting waxy maize do its job properly, you are wasting money on waxy maize. So therefore you should only take creatine bcaas etc with waxy. I take 10 grams of xtend bcaas with it

So you can take

Pure BCAAs
Leucine
Creatine

These ingredients can also by-pass digestion, and can be pulled directly to the small intestine by WMS for immediate absorption.
Then after


25-30 minutes later I take in 30-35g of whey protein isolate.

50-75 minutes later I eat a solid meal with Protein, Carbs, and healthy Fats.


So....lets go over what we learned today, shall we?

(1) Waxy Maize bypasses digestion, does not cause bloating, does not keep blood glucose circulating for hours, and most important, it allows for a faster and more efficient recovery.


(2) Dextrose does not bypass digestion, which brings blood to the stomach and away from the muscles. this causes bloating, and most inportant prolongs the recovery process. Dextrose will also keep blood sugar levels elevated far longer than they need to be.

Dragan

Hornd wrote: »

NO!!!!! This is what i have been taking about in my previous posts. All people see is NutX and nothing else. When someone mentions something else people just dont take it in. It was mentioned by a poster a while ago but he wasnt even acknowledged. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055280631&highlight=waxy+maize

Dude, people will read what they want.....as i said in the previous thread, keep doing what you are doing by offering information and advice, but telling people they are wrong can sometimes smack of arrogance.

At the end of the day, when discussing things like which supplement we prefer, and EVEN which supplement is best.....it largely boils down to a matter of opinion.

The field of sports Nutrition brings new information to the table every day and disgards old information just as quick after all.

If you can offer me a good reason as to why i should pay a lot of money for expensive supplements then by all means i will read it, but that does not mean i need to follow your advice.

Hornd wrote: »

So....lets go over what we learned today, shall we?

Actually, that line really strikes me as being quite arrogant, so as the Mod i would ask you to keep the information coming, but lose the attitude.

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Degsy

Is waxy maize the same as maltodextrin?

Hornd

Sorry for the attiude but i think its clear that im trying to help people here otherwise i wouldnt be spending this time typing out all this to help people. I hope this helps clear up some confusion degsy.

If you can offer me a good reason as to why i should pay a lot of money for expensive supplements then by all means i will read it, but that does not mean i need to follow your advice.

Have i offered you some good reasons?

Dude, people will read what they want.....as i said in the previous thread, keep doing what you are doing by offering information and advice, but telling people they are wrong can sometimes smack of arrogance.

I think thats a bit of an over exaggeration. When have i told anyone they are wrong. I told degsy - no there not the same.

Hornd

Is waxy maize the same as maltodextrin?

Sorry my man misread. Ans is still no. Maltodextrin is a low-molecular-weight carb that is absorbed as glucose.

Degsy

Hornd wrote: »

Sorry my man misread. Ans is still no. Maltodextrin is a low-molecular-weight carb that is absorbed as glucose.

Thanks man.i just bought a shed load of maltodextrin off bulkpowders,they also sell waxy maize so i'll get some next time.

Dragan

Hornd wrote: »

Have i offered you some good reasons?

To be honest, not really. My own supplement usage is no existant at the moment, and even when i get back to training it will remain very basic, most likely just whey, BCAA's and an energy supplement for the days when i am flagging before i hit the gym.

If i am going to up my expenditure on supps to a massive degree i need some hard evidence that it will be worth it, and after looking into things as they come out it's never really being offered.

Pure BCAAs
Leucine
Creatine

The above things are all things i completely agree with you on though.

Hornd

I have never said to up your expenditure much. The only thing i think id say to get is waxy. On the previous post at the top he asked about pre workout sups so i said shotgun and superpump but personally i dont really use them now. I just stick to whey, bcaas, waxy and creatine. Thats all i believe u need. Pre work out sups end up being way to expensive in the long run and arnt really necessary but those ones are good if your gona get them.

louis626

In my opinion the best post workout supplement is Glanbia Provon Revive.
http://www.provonrevive.ie/default.aspx
Its a really good source of protein and it helps the body to recover for the next workout.

Hanley

FTR guys, who's the biggest producer of dairy products in the country?

Now who do you think is the biggest supplier of bulk whey in the country? (hint... same company)

This isn't just a national venture either. You'd be surprised what companies are using it.

And don't forget alot of companies get their stuff produced by contract manufacturers, so when it comes down to it, alot of these "competiting" products are coming from the same place, using the same raw mats. with just slight changes to the overall mix alot of the time.

LegacyUser

louis626 wrote: »

In my opinion the best post workout supplement is Glanbia Provon Revive.
http://www.provonrevive.ie/default.aspx
Its a really good source of protein and it helps the body to recover for the next workout.

That's total rubbish. That stuff is unbelievably inferior to other post workout shakes in pretty much every form. It only has something like 16gms of protein in it...you can't be serious.

Esse85

I use Hurricane XS post WO, look at the ingredients

Protein Blend (Impact Whey Protein, Impact Whey Isolate), Carbohydrate Blend (Dextrose, Ultra Fine Scottish Oats), L Glutamine, Creapure®, HMB (beta-hydroxy beta-methylbutyric acid).

http://www.myprotein.co.uk/formulas/our-formulas/hurricane-xs/

Really good product.

louis626

cheesedude wrote: »

That's total rubbish. That stuff is unbelievably inferior to other post workout shakes in pretty much every form. It only has something like 16gms of protein in it...you can't be serious.

It has 18g compared with 22/23g in maximuscle promax. However at least with Glanbia they use their own natural ingredients. How can an opinion be total rubbish?? nobody ever said it was a fact... do u understand the word opinion??

LegacyUser

louis626 wrote: »

It has 18g compared with 22/23g in maximuscle promax. However at least with Glanbia they use their own natural ingredients. How can an opinion be total rubbish?? nobody ever said it was a fact... do u understand the word opinion??

http://www.provonrevive.ie/clinically_tested.aspx

Average...it's great compared to a lucozade sport...but everyone knows they do f all anyway.

And most people should realise that Maximuscle Promax is more of a complete rip off than anything else.

As for your point on natural ingredients, they use whey...and as Hanley said earlier, how many companies do you think there are that produce whey in Ireland? Probably only Glanbia to be honest...so the whey you get in other drinks for cheaper and better value are sourced from the same place in all likelihood.

louis626

cheesedude wrote: »

http://www.provonrevive.ie/clinically_tested.aspx

Average...it's great compared to a lucozade sport...but everyone knows they do f all anyway.

And most people should realise that Maximuscle Promax is more of a complete rip off than anything else.

As for your point on natural ingredients, they use whey...and as Hanley said earlier, how many companies do you think there are that produce whey in Ireland? Probably only Glanbia to be honest...so the whey you get in other drinks for cheaper and better value are sourced from the same place in all likelihood.

Besides the fact that maximuscle is a rip off... what is your opinion of cyclone??
I know that maximuscle use the whey made by Glanbia in their products....but my point was that seeing as they make their own ingredients...well i thought that was a good thing from a quality and safety point of view as you dont know where the other companies are sourcing their ingredients. I would have thought that to minimise costs these companies source ingredients from the cheapest countries so of whom may have little or no quality control due to the fact that they are a low cost operation. I know that i am fighting a losing battle so i have nothing else to say.. sorry for my lack of knowledge i only meant to suggest the product mainly to see what others thought of it.

LegacyUser

Dude, don't worry. It's not a battle...at the end of the day (sorry about the cliche) but we all want good stuff that works for us and makes us satisfied and confident. I'm just helping you out and giving you my opinion. And if you think that Glanbia stuff works great for you, I'm sure you will be delighted that for less money, you can get better quality recovery drinks which also completely help you recover.

My opinion of cyclone is that it is an alright protein supplement that is over priced. That's it pretty much. I'm sure it works and I have mates who use it even though I tell them and advise them there are better out there...

I just love getting value for my money...that does not mean I'm cheap...I'd spend loads if I felt like it. But I want high quality stuff and always looks to get the best I can for my money.

louis626

i have one last question.... is there any doubt about the safety of these products eg Nutrition X Ram as u recommended???

LegacyUser

http://nutritionx.ie/Contact-Fitness-Training.html

Send them an email!

Hanley

louis626 wrote: »

i have one last question.... is there any doubt about the safety of these products eg Nutrition X Ram as u recommended???

Like is it gonna rob your gaff and run off with your girlfriend while you're asleep in bed...? :D

d-gal

Nitrobolon, the polish are mad for it, great product