Will Dublin beat Wexford?

future_plans

So! Here's a question. Will Dublin beat Wexford in the Leinster SHC this weekend? I'm hoping the hurlers get even a fraction of the media coverage that their footballing counterparts get. There hasn't been a peep in the media yet.

I guess unlike the footballers, most of the country will be up for Dublin in this one. Sorry Wexford, but it would be nice to see Dublin give KK a crack in the final. (If KK get there - KK camp is very quiet and a few injury problems)

Killme00

God, i hope so. Dublin have been making progress in the past few years and this year could be another leap forward for us in terms of competitiveness.

RedXIV

I'm a wexford man but i'd be happy to see any team beat Kilkenny. God i'd love to see em whupped

hunter164

I can see Dublin winning this.They were unlucky last year so hopefully we can get to the final this year. Also I wouldn't care less if we lost by 20 points to Kilkenny as I would see it as a big achievement in itself in getting to the final.

popebenny16

We can win this game. Outside of KK I feel that Dublin, Offaly and Wexford are pretty even. Last year showed that, and last time I saw a Dublin/Wexford match I think we only lost by a point (also in Nowlan park) and there were some relieved Wexford supporters. In a way its sad to see Laois fall down the wayside a bit, we've had some good matches with them over the last few years.

Take KK out of the equation and Leinster is actually quite competative.

future_plans

Now there's a proposal for solving the Leinster problem - ban KK!:D

aidan24326

popebenny16 wrote:

Take KK out of the equation and Leinster is actually quite competative sh1te.

Competitive does not equal good.

future_plans wrote: »

I guess unlike the footballers, most of the country will be up for Dublin in this one. Sorry Wexford, but it would be nice to see Dublin give KK a crack in the final. (If KK get there - KK camp is very quiet and a few injury problems)

Even if Dublin beat Wexford they have no chance at all against KK, injury problems or not. The Leinster championship has become a one-horse race. Progress for Dublin would be to not get totally hammered by the cats, and then give the likes of Limerick or Clare a rattle in the qualifiers.

edit: I do hope Dublin win on Sunday as the viewing public do not need to be subjected to another Kilkenny-Wexford final. I'm not sure I'd even watch it. At least with the Dubs there it'll be something different and the hill brigade might even get behind them in numbers. I'll bet the Leinster Council are hoping for a Dubs win on Sunday! Could be the difference between a Leinster Final attendance of 25,000 or 50,000.

gosplan

future_plans wrote: »

I guess unlike the footballers, most of the country will be up for Dublin in this one.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha - NO!

It's very possible though, Wexford hurlers not doing so well.

on the other hand

Will the Wexford footballers get past Laois and beat Dublin?

aidan24326

gosplan wrote: »

Will the Wexford footballers get past Laois and beat Dublin?

They may get past Laois but unlikely they'd beat Dublin. The Dubs have Leinster sewn up this year.

yahoo_moe

Hurling's my main sport and I think it's finally time to get beyond progress and near misses. Dublin are well capable of building on some great underage teams in recent years and we should be looking to become the second-best team in Leinster over the next few years. Then we'll think about Kilkenny - but for now, a Leinster final would be great.

I think (and really hope) they'll do it - a confidence-inspiring win against Westmeath will hopefully help.

Mullet

I certainly hope we can win this one but i think our chances are been built up to much. This dublin team is due a big preformance as our league form was very patchy.This is a very young dublin team and they all have experience of beating the wexfords and kilkennys of this world at underage level so it is a matter of transfering it to the next step. I believe there is a big dublin crowd heading to kilkenny for this one. Heres Hoping

cruiserweight

Dublin team has been named. I am hoping that Wexford will win, but I fear for us

Dublin (SH v Wexford):

Gary Maguire; (Ballyboden)

N Corcoran, (Kilmacud Crokes)
Stephen Hiney, (Ballyboden)
Tomas Brady; (Na Fianna)

Michael Carton, (O'Tooles)
Ronan Fallon, (St. Vincents)
Joey Boland; (Na Fianna)

Johnny McCaffrey, (Lucan Sarsfields)
Simon Lambert; (Ballyboden)

James Burke, (Kilmacud Crokes)
Declan O’Dwyer, (Olafs)
Kevin Flynn; (O'Tooles)

David O’Callaghan, (St. Marks)
John Kelly, (St. Marks)
Ross O’Carroll. (Kilmacud Crokes)

klong

future_plans wrote: »

Now there's a proposal for solving the Leinster problem - ban KK!:D

Kilikenny into Munster, Galway and Kerry into Leinster?

How I'd see this...

Get rid of Kilkenny and you have two tiers of hurling in Leinster. Tier one= Galway, Dublin, Wexford and Offaly/ Tier two = Meath, Laois, Carlow, Westmeath and Kerry. On one side of the draw you'd have three Tier Two sides and two Tier One sides, on the other two from each. Eg:

Carlow v Westmeath, Winner plays Laois.
Galway v Wexford, winner plays Carlow/Westmeath/Laois in semi final

Offaly v Dublin
Meath v Kerry, winners of both matches play in semi final

Stick Kilkenny into Munster and you have Cork, Clare, Tipperary, Waterford, Limerick and Kilkenny in the one province. No easy games there.

Runners- up from Munster play winners from Leinster (and vice- versa) in AI semi finals.

Ulster- Have all counties involved, as occurred this year, plus London

Anyone want to critique?

aidan24326

klong wrote: »

Kilikenny into Munster, Galway and Kerry into Leinster?

How I'd see this...

Get rid of Kilkenny and you have two tiers of hurling in Leinster. Tier one= Galway, Dublin, Wexford and Offaly/ Tier two = Meath, Laois, Carlow, Westmeath and Kerry. On one side of the draw you'd have three Tier Two sides and two Tier One sides, on the other two from each. Eg:

Carlow v Westmeath, Winner plays Laois.
Galway v Wexford, winner plays Carlow/Westmeath/Laois in semi final

Offaly v Dublin
Meath v Kerry, winners of both matches play in semi final

Stick Kilkenny into Munster and you have Cork, Clare, Tipperary, Waterford, Limerick and Kilkenny in the one province. No easy games there.

Runners- up from Munster play winners from Leinster (and vice- versa) in AI semi finals.

Ulster- Have all counties involved, as occurred this year, plus London

Anyone want to critique?

No use.

The only real solution is to abandon the provincial championships in hurling altogether. It's a joke of a system. The Leinster championship has become a turkey shoot for Kilkenny, the Ulster championship has no relevance outside of it's own borders and Connaught doesn't even have a provincial championship. What kind of system is that?

The hurling championship doesn't even start now until the quarter finals, the rest is just shadow boxing.

Wexford have a strong tradition and I think they will return as a force at some stage, but Offaly may not. They don't have the hurling base to work from, their 4 All-Irelands in the 80s and 90s being tremendous achievement.

Prediction for Sunday:

Wexford 1-17
Dublin 1-14

klong

aidan24326 wrote: »

No use.

The only real solution is to abandon the provincial championships in hurling altogether. It's a joke of a system. The Leinster championship has become a turkey shoot for Kilkenny, the Ulster championship has no relevance outside of it's own borders and Connaught doesn't even have a provincial championship. What kind of system is that?

The hurling championship doesn't even start now until the quarter finals, the rest is just shadow boxing.

Wexford have a strong tradition and I think they will return as a force at some stage, but Offaly may not. They don't have the hurling base to work from, their 4 All-Irelands in the 80s and 90s being tremendous achievement.

Prediction for Sunday:

Wexford 1-17
Dublin 1-14

Just to keep the thread on topic...it would be a good result for hurling generally if Dublin won, but I think it'll be another close shave in Wexfords favour.

aidan...if Offaly have no hurling base to work from, where did those 4 titles come from?
My ideas above I think make sure that there are fewer lopsided championship matches. The current qualifier system ensures that the elite few teams get more matches. Over the next, say, five years, I can't see anyone outside of Cork, Kilkenny and perhaps Tipperary/Waterford winning an AI.
In Ulster the playing base is very weak- how would you propose turning that around? What would happen if the provincial system was abolished?

aidan24326

klong wrote: »

aidan...if Offaly have no hurling base to work from, where did those 4 titles come from?

Well perhaps I shouldn't have said 'no' base, just a very small one. The Offaly county panel is typically picked from the same 4 clubs, Birr, St.Rynaghs,Coolderry and Seir Kierans. That's all they have. They were fortunate in the 80s-90s that a few sets of outstanding brothers came along, the Whelehans and the Dooleys in particular, but also the Troys, the Hannifys and the Pilkingtons. It will be awhile before we see another Whelehan or Dooley family. They just don't have the playing resources that the likes of Cork, Tipp, Kilkenny and Galway have, but for the sake of hurling in general I hope they can continue to be competitive despite their small numbers.

Over the next, say, five years, I can't see anyone outside of Cork, Kilkenny and perhaps Tipperary/Waterford winning an AI.

You would have to include Galway, better chance of winning an All-Ireland than Waterford. When this ageing Waterford team reach the end of the road (very soon) they don't have that much talent coming through to replace them.

In Ulster the playing base is very weak- how would you propose turning that around?

You can't. Unfortunately there is no real desire to turn it around in the counties themselves.

What would happen if the provincial system was abolished?

An open draw format perhaps. As it stands though the provincial championships are almost a separate competition from the All-Ireland series anyway. Regardless of what happens in the Munster or Leinster championships we already know what teams will be involved at the business end of the championship. What I'm saying is that it's pointless running it as a 'provincial' championship when only one of the four provinces really plays the game. Hurling in Ulster and Connaught is virtually non-existent except for South Galway and the glens of Antrim, and it's a second-rate sport in most of Leinster aswell.

Pride Fighter

Dublin will win. What is the reward for being a provincial finalist? Do they get put into the AI quarters? I know the system has changed this year.

cruiserweight

Pride Fighter wrote: »

What is the reward for being a provincial finalist? Do they get put into the AI quarters? I know the system has changed this year.

AFAIK the provincial runners up go into the quarter finals. With the losers of the provincial semi finals going into the qualifiers a couple of rounds earlier.

cruiserweight

Wexford team has been names, a coupld of debuts and players playing in new positions

Damien Fitzhenry
Malachy Travers
Keith Rossiter
Paul Roche
Michael Jacob
David O'Connor
Darren Stamp
M.J. Furlong
Colm Farrell
PJ Nolan
Eoin Quigley
Diarmuid Lyng
David Redmond
Stephen Banville
Rory Jacob (Capt)

ShagNastii

cruiserweight wrote: »

Wexford team has been names, a coupld of debuts and players playing in new positions

Damien Fitzhenry
Malachy Travers
Keith Rossiter
Paul Roche
Michael Jacob
David O'Connor
Darren Stamp
M.J. Furlong
Colm Farrell
PJ Nolan
Eoin Quigley
Diarmuid Lyng
David Redmond
Stephen Banville
Rory Jacob (Capt)

Is Colin Farrell not Colm, really lines up for a joke won't take it. Seen Wexford play Galway in a match few week back and was impressed, know ya can't really take much out of these friendlys but all in all Wexford should beat Dublin, few key players missing saying that?

Nalced_irl

Would be great to see a Dubs win but i think it`ll be a very close game. Maybe Wexford still have the edge but if we can get our lads playing to their potential we can certainly win. Cant see us or Wex beating KK but like others would love to see either do it.

Pride Fighter

This is on RTE 1 tomorrow. Throw in at 4:15. If you are in the Kilkenny area head down to Nowlan Park.

taidghbaby

this is disgusting

This is Brutal.


I reckon the Ref gave that free to wexford so they could put the ball over the bar..

john concannon

Dublin 0-18 - 2-12 Wexford with 3 minutes left of normal time/

Badabing

Draw, Replay june 22nd Croke Park.

cruiserweight

Badabing wrote: »

Draw, Replay june 22nd Croke Park.

What time? Hopefully there will be a big Wexford crowd for both games

Nalced_irl

Horrible game tbh and Dublin should have been sailing with about 20 mins left. The forwards shooting was absolutely horriffic, on both sides really but Dublins were definately worse. Dont think we will get away with 19 wides in the replay so we will have to lift it a huge amount if were gonna progress.

Flukey

It was a great game. It was a good day out. Dublin should have won. 19 wides is just too much. They should have done a lot better. As a slight aside, one of the best things to happen was when a chorus of "Come on you boys in blue" rang around Nowlan Park. To hear that being sung for our hurlers was just great.

Aidan24326 wrote:

The only real solution is to abandon the provincial championships in hurling altogether. It's a joke of a system. The Leinster championship has become a turkey shoot for Kilkenny, the Ulster championship has no relevance outside of it's own borders and Connaught doesn't even have a provincial championship. What kind of system is that?

If Leinster is a turkey shoot, Ulster has no relevance and Connaught doesn't have a championship, then the challenge is to do something about all of that and not abandon it all. Saying something like the Ulster counties aren't interested just isn't good enough. Make them interested and keep working at it until they are. We are always told that Galway are a problem in Hurling. No they aren't. The problem is the other four Connaught counties. That is the problem that has to be solved. Letting Galway play in Leinster is ignoring the problem, not solving it.

When the work is put in, counties can come from nowhere to be forces in Hurling. Clare won Munster in 1995, for the first time in 63 years, and followed that up with the All-Ireland for the first time in 81 years in the same year. Offaly's first ever Leinster title was in 1980, the same year that Galway won their first All-Ireland in 57 years, and a year later Offaly beat Galway in the final to win their first All-Ireland ever. They've won 3 more since. Prior to those wins, each of those 3 counties would have not been highly regarded, but they made the breakthroughs. It can be done.

I don't expect to see a Cavan v Mayo All-Ireland Senior Hurling Final anytime soon, but instead of trying something else, we should be addressing the real problems in Hurling so that there could be a possibility of that happening. If you asked a Cavan county Hurler or one from Mayo, if they'd like to win an All-Ireland Senior Hurling medal, do you think they'd say "No"? Of course not. They'd love to do so, just as much as any Hurler in the big counties, and therefore the GAA should not turn their backs on them.

Orizio

I'm sorry, it clearly wasn't a 'great game'. It was embarassing. Junior B hurling at its finest. Both teams seem to be going backwards from last year and I can count the amount of decent peformances thoughout both teams on one hand.

Flukey

The quality of Hurling may not have been great Orizio, and both would need big improvements to win Leinster, but the atmosphere was good and it was close for most of the game and it had a tight finish, so it was great in those ways.

Nalced_irl

It was an exciting game alright and very close but the lack of quality brought it down alot imo. Hopefully the replay will be a cracker.

aidan24326

Dublin looked the better team and if they can improve their shooting the next day I think they'll take it. With the underage progress they're now well positioned to move ahead of Offaly and Wexford but whether they can put it up to KK in a Leinster Final is a whole other matter. To keep it fairly close for 55-60 minutes and avoid a hammering would be progress realistically.

Mullet

While dublin may have blown it I think hurling people will have to be realistic. Regardless what coaching schemes are in place in different counties we all have to to be patient for weaker counties to bare fruits of these schemes.

In previous years we would have rolled over and died after conceding two early goals but we hit nine unanswered points in return.
I still believe there is a huge future in this dublin team but we have to be patient. These lads are learning all the time and next sunday is another step up. Heres hoping

Danno

I thought it was quite a good game and the standard of hurling was reasonable. Some very tenacious tackling, hooking and blocking. Best of luck to Dublin in the replay. WX do not deserve to be getting a replay.

hunter164

As long as John Kelly isn't in full forward I think we have a very good chance.That chap is terrible.

Killme00

hunter164 wrote: »

As long as John Kelly isn't in full forward I think we have a very good chance.That chap is terrible.

Its just a pity that Mccrabbe isnt available, he is one of the best finishers Dublin have

hunter164

Yes but we've Naughton to blame for that,also Keith Dunne isn't bad but he's also pulled out.

Killme00

hunter164 wrote: »

Yes but we've Naughton to blame for that,.

Why is that?

hunter164

Well that's supposedly the reason the 2 of them pulled out of the team this year as they felt they weren't going to get their chance off him.

Nalced_irl

Mullet wrote: »

While dublin may have blown it I think hurling people will have to be realistic. Regardless what coaching schemes are in place in different counties we all have to to be patient for weaker counties to bare fruits of these schemes.

In previous years we would have rolled over and died after conceding two early goals but we hit nine unanswered points in return.
I still believe there is a huge future in this dublin team but we have to be patient. These lads are learning all the time and next sunday is another step up. Heres hoping

spot on

cruiserweight

Wexford have named the same team that was supposed to start last weekend. Dublin have also named the same team

Wexford (SHC v Dublin) - Damien Fitzhenry, Malachy Travers, Keith Rossiter, Paul Roche, Michael Jacob, David O’Connor, Darren Stamp, M.J. Furlong, Colm Farrell, P.J. Nolan, Eoin Quigley, Diarmuid Lyng, David Redmond, Stephen Banville, Rory Jacob

Dublin (SH v Wexford): G Maguire; N Corcoran, S Hiney, T Brady; M Carton, R Fallon, J Boland; J McCaffrey, S Lambert; J Burke, D O’Dwyer, K Flynn; D O’Callaghan, J Kelly, R O’Carroll.

cruiserweight

Hurling boss John Meyler is confident that corner-forward Barry Lambert will be available for Sunday's Leinster senior hurling championship semi-final replay with Dublin.

The St Martin's clubman, who had looked likely to miss out on the season, returned to training two weeks back, and Meyler is now hopeful that Lambert will be available to make the starting 15.

"Barry came through a full club game on Sunday morning. He said he was pleased and had no after affects," he said.

A prolific free-taker, Lambert will be welcomed back into the side as it was his last gasp pointed free that ousted Dublin last year.

However, Stephen Nolan (dislocated thumb) and MJ Furlong (calf muscle) are out of the replay.

"They're still struggling with injuries and it's unlikely they will make the match," Meyler added

Looking like the Wexford line-up won't be named until Sunday. Willie Doran is also likely to start apparently. I think this game will be tight, but Wexford should pull through.

Pride Fighter

They will have an epic 3 in a row like the one btween Limerick-Tipp last year restoring peoples faith in Leinster hurling.
So another draw this Sunday if I guess right.

cruiserweight

Pride Fighter wrote: »

They will have an epic 3 in a row like the one btween Limerick-Tipp last year restoring peoples faith in Leinster hurling.
So another draw this Sunday if I guess right.

Maybe, but I think Wexford will learn more from last weekends game than Dublin. I don't think we will go so long without scoring this week. But if it is a close game recent results point to a Wexford win or a draw. Since Johnny Dooley scored a last minute goal against Wexford 10 years ago I don't recall Wexford ever being beaten in a tight championship finish. There have been a couple of close games with Kilkenny that they lost (just not in the last two years)

-2001 Damian Fitzhenry beat Limerick with a last minute free
-2001 drew with Tipp with 3 second half goals in the next match
-2003 championship they narrowly edged out both Waterford and Offaly and drew with Cork
-2004 beat Kilkenny with a last minute goal
-2006 they beat Offaly by a late point
-2008 beat Dublin and Tipp by one and two points respectively

blackbelt

There seems to be a lot of speculation that Dublin missed the boat last weekend but then again maybe they didn't.Dublin are a rapidly improving side and look to be breaking into the first tier.That will be confirmed if they beat Wexford tomorrow.I think the progression will be sustained regardless of the result however.The minors and u-21s are coming along nicely winning provincial championships.

If Wexford win tomorrow,it will most likely be down to experience as Wexford have played more hurling over the years in Croke Park than Dublin (who I can only remember playing Kerry and Westmeath in the last few years) as well as the Jacobs.They are amazing I think.I think Wexford were lucky last week that Derek O Reilly and McCrabbe weren't playing.Otherwise,I think Dublin would have won comfortably but the lads need to put that behind them and prove their worth without those 2 players.Hopefully Derek will be back soon and in form.His younger brother Damian is another great player to look out for in the next few years.Hope he makes the panel.

cruiserweight

blackbelt wrote: »

There seems to be a lot of speculation that Dublin missed the boat last weekend but then again maybe they didn't.Dublin are a rapidly improving side and look to be breaking into the first tier.That will be confirmed if they beat Wexford tomorrow.I think the progression will be sustained regardless of the result however.The minors and u-21s are coming along nicely winning provincial championships.

If Wexford win tomorrow,it will most likely be down to experience as Wexford have played more hurling over the years in Croke Park than Dublin (who I can only remember playing Kerry and Westmeath in the last few years) as well as the Jacobs.They are amazing I think.I think Wexford were lucky last week that Derek O Reilly and McCrabbe weren't playing.Otherwise,I think Dublin would have won comfortably but the lads need to put that behind them and prove their worth without those 2 players.Hopefully Derek will be back soon and in form.His younger brother Damian is another great player to look out for in the next few years.Hope he makes the panel.

I am disappointed to miss the minor game, should be a good game. Dublin are improving but I don't think they are quite good enough to beat Wexford just yet, Wexford are in my unbiased opinion the better team. The game tomorrow will tell. Want to bet a pint on the game Blackbelt?

blackbelt

I'd bet a pint if I was sure on who'd win but I can't choose.:o I'd go with Dublin in my unbiased opinion.:rolleyes:

Lets just say that whoever wins tomorrow,the supporter of the team that doesn't win has to buy the person of the team that didn't lose a pint.:D

cruiserweight

blackbelt wrote: »

I'd bet a pint if I was sure on who'd win but I can't choose.:o I'd go with Dublin in my unbiased opinion.:rolleyes:

Lets just say that whoever wins tomorrow,the supporter of the team that doesn't win has to buy the person of the team that didn't lose a pint.:D

Lets not do that, what happens if it is a draw there would be a stand off You obviously aren't that confident

blackbelt

cruiserweight wrote: »

Lets not do that, what happens if it is a draw there would be a stand off You obviously aren't that confident

If it is a draw then mine's a double.;)

cruiserweight

blackbelt wrote: »

If it is a draw then mine's a double.;)

I am sure you would have a tap water on your own round