What's the fastest car with CO2 emissions of between 171 and 190grams per kilometre?

drunkmonkey

I really want an Mitsubishi EVO but it'll be €2000 a year road tax after july, I probably can't afford one for another 6mts or so...

What's the quickest new car that will fall into band E or lower of the new car tax rates(€600 per year tax) Band F&G are out fo the question!!

Thanks
DM



New car tax rates:

Band A, which corresponds to CO2 emissions of under 120grams per kilometre - motor tax rate of €100.
Band B, which corresponds to CO2 emissions of between 121 and 140 grams per kilometre – motor tax rate of €150.
Band C, which corresponds to CO2 emissions of between 141 and 155grams per kilometre – motor tax rate of €290.
Band D, which corresponds to CO2 emissions of between 156 and 170 grams per kilometre – motor tax rate of €430.
Band E, which corresponds to CO2 emissions of between 171 and 190grams per kilometre – motor tax rate of €600.
Band F, which corresponds to CO2 emissions of between 191 and 225 grams per kilometre – motor tax rate of €1,000.
Band G, the top band – motor tax rate of €2,000, reflecting CO2 emissions of over 225grams per kilometre.

Cyrus

whats the budget, i assume u are buying brand new

Ronanom

The tax won't be 2,000

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055199036

JHMEG

Why not buy a nearly new Evo?

drunkmonkey

Ronanom wrote: »

The tax won't be 2,000

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055199036

Oh yes it is, the evo & subaru sti must be some of the worst offending cars.....there co2 is measured in pounds not grammes.....

drunkmonkey

Cyrus wrote: »

whats the budget, i assume u are buying brand new

Say 60k tops but if a cheaper car can give good bang for small bucks then it's an option....

drunkmonkey

JHMEG wrote: »

Why not buy a nearly new Evo?

Out of the question, has to be new with full warranty...

E92

The BMW 335d is the fastest car you can buy in this category. It has 286 bhp, 413 lb ft of torque, average fuel consumption of 42.2 mpg, does 0-100 in 6.1 seconds, has to be held back to 250 km/h, and the second best engine in the 2.5-3.0 category according to this year's International Engine of the Year Awards.

JHMEG

Is there a 135d on the way?

Altho there'll be some difference between an Evo, even 2nd hand, and a diesel anything.

tvr

Areil Atom 2 245bhp # 0-60mph 3.7s # co2 0.72 lb/mile


Atom 500 V8 0-60 2 secs co2 tbc )

drunkmonkey

E92 wrote: »

The BMW 335d is the fastest car you can buy in this category. It has 286 bhp, 413 lb ft of torque, average fuel consumption of 42.2 mpg, does 0-100 in 6.1 seconds, has to be held back to 250 km/h, and the second best engine in the 2.5-3.0 category according to this year's International Engine of the Year Awards.

And it'll be only €600 to tax, now that's a serious option, how much is the coupe version?

maybe this new co2 thing isn't so bad after all:D

E92

~€65k for the SE saloon. If you prefer petrol power the 330i gets into this category too, and starts at ~€57k for the SE saloon(it actually is a lower emitter of CO2 believe it or not than the 335d).

This engine, along with the 335i's engine will feature in next year's new Z4, as well as the latest direct injection 6 pot petrols found in the 3 series and 5 series.

vectra

E92 wrote: »

~€65k for the SE saloon. If you prefer petrol power the 330i gets into this category too, and starts at ~€57k for the SE saloon(it actually is a lower emitter of CO2 believe it or not than the 335d).

This engine, along with the 335i's engine will feature in next year's new Z4, as well as the latest direct injection 6 pot petrols found in the 3 series and 5 series.

Do you mind if i ask a personal question..?

What in the name of god do you work at to aquire all this motoring knowledge??

S.I.R

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Oh yes it is, the evo & subaru sti must be some of the worst offending cars.....there co2 is measured in pounds not grammes.....

you'll find that the rx-7-rx-8 are the worst

conneem-TT

Audi TT-S 272hp (200hp/ton)

0-100km/h in 5.2
0-160km/h in 12.5

and only 600 euro to tax.

JHMEG

This really is a funny thread. "I've got looooaaads to spend on a car, but I can't afford much tax"???!

Cyrus

agree with JHMEG, tax is the least of your concerns buying a new car, its the depreciation that would worry me

JoeA3

Golf GTI is just under the 190 g/km... but yeah, road tax is the least of your worries.

Slig

JHMEG wrote: »

This really is a funny thread. "I've got looooaaads to spend on a car, but I can't afford much tax"???!

60K to blow on a car and you are looking to save a very max of 1.4K per year on tax? priorities?:D

RobAMerc

I am with the OP -
a) why give those green twats another penny in tax than you have to
b) road tax xost has a direct effect on resale value here in ireland, why do you think everyone wants a 1.6 Avensis here - it aint coz there the ultimate driving machine now is it.

pburns

I'm sure the OP has a logical reason why he's willing to spend major bucks on a new car but begrudges poor old Brian Lenihan & co. a bit of extra revenue...

Maybe he's a builder or farmer... They HATE paying tax:D

vectra wrote: »

Do you mind if i ask a personal question..?
What in the name of god do you work at to aquire all this motoring knowledge??

This made me laugh. I've often thought the same thing...

E92 is a legend but the breath and depth of his knowledge scare me sometimes! Whilst he's a BMW-head he also has huge knowledge of other makes - from the mundate to the exotic... I respect that 'cos there are so many fanboys around who have myopia about one or maybe two brands.

drunkmonkey

I hate paying unfair taxes, plain and simple...

Evo to tax today €600 - Evo to tax in July €2000

That's a ripoff..

Evo to buy in Ireland €60,000

Evo to buy new in America €22,000

Another Rip Off

I'm not paying €2000 a year road tax to subside the Green Partys pipe dream that they can change the weather, feckin thieves & edjits the lot of them....:mad:

RedorDead

E92 wrote: »

The BMW 335d is the fastest car you can buy in this category. It has 286 bhp, 413 lb ft of torque, average fuel consumption of 42.2 mpg, does 0-100 in 6.1 seconds, has to be held back to 250 km/h, and the second best engine in the 2.5-3.0 category according to this year's International Engine of the Year Awards.

I see your 335D and raise you a TTS 2.0TFSI S Tronic

272BHP
0-100km/h in 5.2 seconds
30MPG
Co2 emissions of 188g
Top Speed 250km/h governed.
€600 road tax per year!
Has quattro!

And at €69645 is €400 cheaper than the 335D M Sport.

Winner!

Edit - Just saw Conneem TT beat me to the punch!

Biro

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I hate paying unfair taxes, plain and simple...

Evo to tax today €600 - Evo to tax in July €2000

That's a ripoff..

Evo to buy in Ireland €60,000

Evo to buy new in America €22,000

Another Rip Off

I'm not paying €2000 a year road tax to subside the Green Partys pipe dream that they can change the weather, feckin thieves & edjits the lot of them....:mad:

Why not just pay a large deposit on an Evo now, get the garage to register it before the end of the month, and collect when you want?

JHMEG

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I hate paying unfair taxes, plain and simple...

Evo to tax today €600 - Evo to tax in July €2000

If you really want an Evo and it has to be brand new, why not get a loan and buy one before the end of the month?

WHITE_P

Have to agree with the OP, he has the freedom of choice to buy what he wants, likes, and can afford, but doesn't want to be fleeced by the state for the previlage, and why should he be?

Given that there seems to be some really tasty cars available, that fit his criteria re Tax, why shouldn't he ask for opinion's. Personally I would make a list of what appealed to me, look for a test drive of each, and take into consideration any other features that I really need to have in a car, if you find one that ticks all or most of the boxes for you, buy it and enjoy it, and f**k the begrudgers.

Cyrus

he has asked for opinions and he has got them and i didnt notice any begrudgery?

the simple fact is none of the cars suggested are anything like an Evo so he either buys one now, or buys a completely different alternative, or sucks up the tax and factor it as a running cost

Zube

Cyrus wrote: »

he has asked for opinions and he has got them and i didnt notice any begrudgery?

It's not begrudgery to point out that if you can afford a new Evo you can afford the tax. For a car fan to say "I'd love an Evo, and I can afford to buy it new, write off the depreciation, pay the insurance, servicing and fuel costs, but I'm going to buy a diesel instead just to spite John Gormley" is, well, unbelievable.

Biro

Cyrus wrote: »

the simple fact is none of the cars suggested are anything like an Evo so he either buys one now, or buys a completely different alternative, or sucks up the tax and factor it as a running cost

Very true, there's no real alternative to an STI or Evo, well, not in the lower tax brackets anyway. Buy now is his only option. Other than that, just invent different criteria.

Cyrus

i agree!

im paying 1500 quid a year now, and it breaks my heart but i knew that before i bought the car, and you just have to suck it up if you want a car bad enough

Gumbo

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I hate paying unfair taxes, plain and simple...

Evo to tax today €600 - Evo to tax in July €2000

That's a ripoff..

Evo to buy in Ireland €60,000

Evo to buy new in America €22,000

Another Rip Off

I'm not paying €2000 a year road tax to subside the Green Partys pipe dream that they can change the weather, feckin thieves & edjits the lot of them....:mad:

buy an evo now and tax it for €600 per year, then after july it will STILL be 600 euro per year to tax.

Cyrus

and of course a 08 registered now would be worth more than a 08 registered in july because of this i reckon

or at least an easier sell in the future

drunkmonkey

Ok Calm down Guys......I'm just looking for an evo alternative....forget about price & whether I can afford the road tax.....that's not my original question......

28 Posts and 3 Answers - Ye'd never make it in the traffic core lads;)

So far we have the:

#Ariel Atom - Wins best suggestion as it's the only petrol mentioned so far!!!
#Audi TT
#Bmw 3 Series

Come on there must be more cars out there....

Cyrus

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Ok Calm down Guys......I'm just looking for an evo alternative....forget about price & whether I can afford the road tax.....that's not my original question......

28 Posts and 3 Answers - Ye'd never make it in the traffic core lads;)

So far we have the:

#Ariel Atom - Wins best suggestion as it's the only petrol mentioned so far!!!
#Audi TT
#Bmw 3 Series

Come on there must be more cars out there....

only petrol out of the three

...apart from the TT

Slig

Just buy what you want, dont pay the motor tax and move to Cavan:D

drunkmonkey

Cyrus wrote: »

only petrol out of the three

...apart from the TT

My mistake presumed it was a Diesel, there is a diesel TT coming?

TT - Now Winning by a country mile!!

Cyrus

there is :rolleyes:

heresy

Biro

drunkmonkey wrote: »

My mistake presumed it was a Diesel, there is a diesel TT coming?

TT - Now Winning by a country mile!!

You haven't answered why you can't buy the Evo now though, which is actually the answer to your problem, if not necessarily your question.

WHITE_P

Biro wrote: »

You haven't answered why you can't buy the Evo now though, which is actually the answer to your problem, if not necessarily your question.

Are there any brand new Evo's currently available for delievery pre July 1st. If so and that's what he wants then he should just go for it.

RobAMerc

i imagine the car manufacturers will be pre-regging a few of the cars going to loose out to the new vrt rules prior to July 1st so they acn sell them on post July.

they do this quite a bit in the UK so that they can give big discounts on cars without giving the discounts on new cars.

Gumbo

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Ok Calm down Guys......I'm just looking for an evo alternative....forget about price & whether I can afford the road tax.....that's not my original question......

28 Posts and 3 Answers - Ye'd never make it in the traffic core lads;)

So far we have the:

#Ariel Atom - Wins best suggestion as it's the only petrol mentioned so far!!!
#Audi TT
#Bmw 3 Series

Come on there must be more cars out there....

you said at the start you wanted an Evo, now you want an alternative!

i answered by saying buy the evo, whats stopping you.

the evo i mentioned is petrol.

i think you dont know what you want yet and the best advice would be to go test drive all the cars your thinking of because your the one spending the money, and your the one that has to live with it everyday so its about how you feel in the car.

an E46 M3 wins hands down for me but that might not be what you like.
best of luck and hope you get something nice.

Gumbo

WHITE_P wrote: »

Are there any brand new Evo's currently available for delievery pre July 1st. If so and that's what he wants then he should just go for it.

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/Mitsubishi/Lancer/EVO-X/1068380/

might not be to everybodies colour taste.
but im sure between all the garages in the country there would be one out there somewhere to buy.

Slig

kceire wrote: »

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/Mitsubishi/Lancer/EVO-X/1068380/

might not be to everybodies colour taste.
but im sure between all the garages in the country there would be one out there somewhere to buy.

jesus that is a fair ugly car!!

WHITE_P

Cyrus wrote: »

he has asked for opinions and he has got them and i didnt notice any begrudgery?

I wasn't suggesting that there was any begrudgery in the replies he got, but I'm sure there are those out there who would begrudge him for having an 08 Evo, or any of the other cars mentioned.

You could say that our Motor Tax system is a form of state sponsered begrudgery, when you consider that the majority of really desireable cars on our roads are in the higher tax brackets, and have been for years now.

The OP is right to consider the running costs when it comes to choosing what car to buy, but if he can afford to buy an Evo, surely he can afford the running costs, road tax included.

Biro

WHITE_P wrote: »

I wasn't suggesting that there was any begrudgery in the replies he got, but I'm sure there are those out there who would begrudge him for having an 08 Evo, or any of the other cars mentioned.

You could say that our Motor Tax system is a form of state sponsered begrudgery, when you consider that the majority of really desireable cars on our roads are in the higher tax brackets, and have been for years now.

The OP is right to consider the running costs when it comes to choosing what car to buy, but if he can afford to buy an Evo, surely he can afford the running costs, road tax included.

Especially since €2,000 a year is paltry compared to the fuel bill!

E92

Forgot about the TT-S DSG, holy crap that's impressive:eek:!

Anything out there that can beat it and does less than 190 g/km?

Gumbo

Biro wrote: »

Especially since €2,000 a year is paltry compared to the fuel bill!

600 if he buys before July though which makes it alot more affordable.
very low mpg if driven hard and maybe 20 if driven with a bit of sense.

conneem-TT

E92 wrote: »

Forgot about the TT-S DSG, holy crap that's impressive:eek:!

Anything out there that can beat it and does less than 190 g/km?

And because of the CO2 advantage the price of the S-Tronic is lower than the manual

And it does look so yummy :cool:

Gumbo

conneem-TT wrote: »

And because of the CO2 advantage the price of the S-Tronic is lower than the manual

And it does look so yummy :cool:

not bad, not bad at all :cool:

cancan

Go with the evo if you can - about 3 sec an average lap quicker than the 335i.
If you are going to buy a performance car, you may as well buy a performance car.....

Plug

cancan wrote: »

Go with the evo if you can - about 3 sec an average lap quicker than the 335i.
If you are going to buy a performance car, you may as well buy a performance car.....

even if its ugly?

op that TT looks nice, do you have a family?