Vote on the Lisbon Treaty here. (Quit yer bitchin')

biko

I've seen plenty of call for a poll on this so here goes:
This is your chance to see what boards (a prefect representation of the Irish population) is going to Vote.

edit: could a AH mod pls change the poll close date to 13th instead?

Dave!

Okay

Xavi6

Atari I haven't a clue what it's all about

robinph

It would be a no from me, if I could.

ninebeanrows

The reasons why people are voting no are absurd.

Don't ruin Europe on us all, if you're voting in protest in the government, please just abstain from voting.

ruskin

Lisbon is bad for Ireland. My main gripe with this treaty is as follows:

1. Military spending MUST be incresed (why should Ireland, a neutral country do this?)
2. Ireland cannot have an independent foreign policy that conflicts with the EU majority. Even if the majority of the Irish republic disagree with a European action, Ireland as a country MUST support Europe.
3. Corporation tax will be incresed.
4. The health services will become more privatised.
5. The overall concept of Ireland being a 'state' of europe instead of a country does not sit well with me.

If it is rejected, in spite of what the politicians say, it WILL AND MUST be renegotiated in order to give Ireland a better deal. Cowen and co. just dont want the hastle of doing this as it shows them losing face.


The Irish public has a chance here to say to Europe that though we may be small, we have a voice, and the fatcats in Europe choking on their red tape must listen to us

Steve_o

I don't understand it... if someone could explain it in Laymans terms I'd be able to make a better decision, because all the Politicians do is argue and talk over each other and as a result, I haven't a fu**in clue whats goin' on... This political bullsh** of throwing statements around, only to have someone say the exact opposite is pi**ing me off, and annoying thing is, all these statements by both sides are not being backed up with references to the Treaty document itself, so I haven't a clue who is telling the truth (if there is one) and who's scaremongering!!! As a reult i don't know how i'm voting, but i'm am leaning to the NO side at the moment, its seems like the safe option, because i dont get it...:mad:

Sorry for ranting!

humanji

There should be options for "I'm voting yes/no and don't know why" and " I'm voting no to punish the government for something unrelated/because other countries have a problem with their governments".

humanji

Steve_o wrote:

I don't understand it... if someone could explain it in Laymans terms I'd be able to make a better decision, because all the Politicians do is argue and talk over each other and as a result, I haven't a fu**in clue whats goin' on... This political bullsh** of throwing statements around, only to have someone say the exact opposite is pi**ing me off, and annoying thing is, all these statements by both sides are not being backed up with references to the Treaty document itself, so I haven't a clue who is telling the truth (if there is one) and who's scaremongering!!! As a reult i don't know how i'm voting, but i'm am leaning to the NO side at the moment, its seems like the safe option, because i dont get it...

Sorry for ranting!

Basically, for the layman, it'll mean f*ck all noticeable difference in your life. The Yes scaremongers will tell you that voting no will destroy Ireland, but it won't. And the No scaremongers will tell you that voting yes will destroy Ireland, but it won't.

Irishcrx

I'm voting no I have my reasons and I know what it is all about just not arsed rambling on about it again.

Steve_o

humanji wrote: »

Basically, for the layman, it'll mean f*ck all noticeable difference in your life. The Yes scaremongers will tell you that voting no will destroy Ireland, but it won't. And the No scaremongers will tell you that voting yes will destroy Ireland, but it won't.

Which way are you going to vote yourself?

Spud83

Boards does not represtent Ireland at all. If they did we would have a FG goverment right now.

humanji

Steve_o wrote: »

Which way are you going to vote yourself?

Currently thinking yes (it might change), because I see a tiny amount of benefit and nothing really bad about it at all.

Sherifu

AJ, Irish.

darkman2

Voting no - because of the cynical attempt to make the treaty completely unreadable after reconsidering it last night. Sorry but I would have voted yes otherwise but its just such a blatant exercise at intimidation of the Irish electorate and complete disrespect in the EU parliment for democracy. Remember the EU parliment (this great 'democratic' institution) has voted to IGNORE the Irish vote. They have already voted to ignore their own electorate's for cycnical reasons. Not even consider it but IGNORE it. It was so blatant. If thats their message to us - I will send my message to them through voting no.

Sam Vimes

ruskin wrote: »

3. Corporation tax will be incresed.

this is not true. most of your other points are debatable but this one is 100% not true. maybe you should get the truth before you make a decision based on a poster you read.

as i've been saying in another thread, i'm still undecided because i don't believe anything either side are telling me and i don't have the time, inclination or competence to read the treaty for myself so it's unlikely i'll vote. i voted AJ above

Winters

darkman2 wrote: »

Voting no - because of the cynical attempt to make the treaty completely unreadable after reconsidering it last night. Sorry but I would have voted yes otherwise but its just such a blatant exercise at intimidation of the Irish electorate and complete disrespect in the EU parliment for democracy. Remember the EU parliment (this great 'democratic' institution) has voted to IGNORE the Irish vote. They have already voted to ignore their own electorate's for cycnical reasons. Not even consider it but IGNORE it. It was so blatant. If thats their message to us - I will send my message to them through voting no.

I know i am going to get banned for this for a while. But you are a ****ing idiot. Its a legal document that is filled with a lot of legal talk and big words to stop as many loopholes and dangers from appearing etc.. You don't refuse to use a solicitor/lawyer just because you don't understand the big complex words they use in court do you?

If you don't understand it don't vote on it. And don't be a ****ing child and vote No because you cant understand it. There is a wealth of information out there from both sides, from independent positions all over the web, on news papers etc.

If you don't understand it then don't vote, let the people who do understand it vote. If you dislike the government and want to vote no just to spite them, stay at home and don't vote. Read up on information yourselves and vote either yes or no depdning on what suits you best. Dont be a ****ing muppet.

mikemac

Voting yes.

The poll is worthless. FF would have been destroyed in last election if you believed the boards polls.
But the type of person who uses Boards are often the type least likely to vote. (youngish, less conservative,)

Winters

micmclo wrote: »

Voting yes.

The poll is worthless. FF would have been destroyed in last election if you believed the boards polls.
But the type of person who uses Boards are often the type least likely to vote. (youngish, less conservative,)

Nerds find it difficult enough to get up to go pee, let alone to get up and go vote

darkman2

Summer Glau wrote: »

But you are a ****ing idiot.

:eek: but im still voting no.

Daftendirekt

ruskin wrote: »

Lisbon is bad for Ireland. My main gripe with this treaty is as follows:

1. Military spending MUST be incresed (why should Ireland, a neutral country do this?)
2. Ireland cannot have an independent foreign policy that conflicts with the EU majority. Even if the majority of the Irish republic disagree with a European action, Ireland as a country MUST support Europe.
3. Corporation tax will be incresed.
4. The health services will become more privatised.
5. The overall concept of Ireland being a 'state' of europe instead of a country does not sit well with me.

1. Not technically true. The treaty says we will have to improve our military capabilities. That's pretty vague, and open to interpretation, although it is debateable.

2. False. The treaty specifically says that any military action undertaken under the common defense policy must respect the foreign policy of the member states. Also, the triple lock system will still be in place.

3. Blatantly false. This has been refuted again and again and again. The EU has no control over direct taxation, and Lisbon doesn't change that. Besides, we wouldn't be the only member state to oppose tax harmonization, and even if it was pushed on us, we'd have to have a referendum.

4. Again, false. Not too knowledgeable in this area to be honest, but from what I've read Lisbon won't affect public services, like transport, health, education, etc. AFAIK all it does is close certain loopholes in the competition laws that would allow privatised former publicly owned companies to benefit at the expense of privately owned comanies.

5. Ireland is already a state of Europe, and won't any more or less so if Lisbon passes.

johnnyq

Weathercheck wrote: »

The reasons why people are voting no are absurd.

Don't ruin Europe on us all, if you're voting in protest in the government, please just abstain from voting.

Don't patronise people there are much better reasons than voting no than voting yes:

5 reasons to vote No:

1) Endorsement of the Arms Industry and militarisation of the EU
2) The treaty does not do anything to prevent the power of Big Business over workers rights following recent EU court judgements
3) We still have an unelected commission who sets EU laws PLUS we get an unelected President and Foreign Minister (under different names of course)
4) Ireland loses 30+ vetos in exchange for vitually NOTHING.
5) This treaty is 96% the same as the EU constitution which was already rejected by French & Dutch voters who are not allowed vote again

This treaty is particularly right wing and needs to be renegotiated. It's no wonder that the Trade Unions and Left Wing politicians like Senator David Norris is voting No.

ruskin

Whenever a majority of politicians tell you something will benefit you, then you can safely bet that it wont"

vote no

Daftendirekt

ruskin wrote: »

Whenever a majority of politicians tell you something will benefit you, then you can safely bet that it wont"

vote no

Whenever Sinn Féin tell you something won't benefit you, then you can safely bet that it will.

See what I did there?

humanji

Summer Glau wrote: »

Nerds find it difficult enough to get up to go pee, let alone to get up and go vote

Why would you bother to get up?

suspectdevice

i never vote but i am actually going out to vote on this. i'm an anarchist, truly. but in the true anarchic tradition, i rely on the inherent good nature of my fellow citizens in order for calm to prevail. so i am not supporting democracy, i am supporting you all that want a no vote.

marco murphy

Voting No will not bring chaos to Ireland, which is what some Fianna Fail representatives claim. Dermot Ahern himself said that it will have no effect if we vote no, and that was on his visit to Argentina. France and Holland voted against the same thing in 2005. The inflow of foreign direct investment to France shot up from $32.6bn (€20.8bn) in 2004 to $81 (€51.6bn) in 2005 when the French voted no and also to $81bn (€51.6bn) in 2006. Opponents of the treaty do not claim that the no vote was good for investment, merely that it had absolutely no detrimental effect. There more likely thing to happen is that France will push their agenda to harmonise corporation tax, which will see jobs being shifted from here.

Vote No - Then we all can have input into garnering a better deal.

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Agamemnon

I don't know what way I'll be voting yet so I'll be keeping an eye on these threads to get an idea of the arguments on either side. I am also willing to trade my vote for sexual favours, so if you want me on your side, put out or get me some lovin'.

Daftendirekt

Agamemnon wrote: »

I don't know what way I'll be voting yet so I'll be keeping an eye on these threads to get an idea of the arguments on either side. I am also willing to trade my vote for sexual favours, so if you want me on your side, put out or get me some lovin'.

ASL???

(Heavy breathing)

prendy

darkman2 wrote: »

:eek: but im still voting no.

its your stated reason for voting no that makes you an idiot.

have already voted to ignore their own electorate's for cycnical reasons. Not even consider it but IGNORE it. It was so blatant. If thats their message to us - I will send my message to them through voting no.

what the fcuk has this to do with the Lisbon treaty?