Loose Ends

JLemmon

As we are at the end of season four let's see what loose ends need to be tied up still or will never be tied up
My list,
Four Toed Statue,
Bones in Cave (Adam & Eve, Amelia Earhart)
Libby, Hurley and the Mental Hospital and Des' Boat.
Walts' Powers,
Ben's Revenge,
Jacks Father, Claire & Jacob,
Island Natives + Charlotte,
Annie,
Black Smoke,
Miles and his powers,
What happened in the 3 years since they left the island?
Lockes Death,
Widmore, Penny and Des,
Sun, Jin and her Father,
Where or when is the island?
Richard,
Matthew Abbadon,
The Islands History, i.e. the much rumoured island flashback ep
What else? Are some of these ever gonna be answered?

DonkeyStyle \o/

The magic box,
The numbers.

gustavo

JLemmon wrote: »

What happened in the 3 years since they left the island?d?

Thats pretty much gonna be Season 5 I'd say

siobhan.murphy

must say I wasnt really wow-ed at last nights episode,have a feeling from watching the "unanswered questions" on sky 2 last night(i only caught the last 10 mins) season 5 will be more of the same.
I think I expected too many answers last night!

2-ShortDa5foot5

JLemmon wrote: »

As we are at the end of season four let's see what loose ends need to be tied up still or will never be tied up
My list,
Four Toed Statue,
Bones in Cave (Adam & Eve, Amelia Earhart)
Libby, Hurley and the Mental Hospital and Des' Boat.
Walts' Powers,
Ben's Revenge,
Jacks Father, Claire & Jacob,
Island Natives + Charlotte,
Annie,
Black Smoke,
Miles and his powers,
What happened in the 3 years since they left the island?
Lockes Death,
Widmore, Penny and Des,
Sun, Jin and her Father,
Where or when is the island?
Richard,
Matthew Abbadon,
The Islands History, i.e. the much rumoured island flashback ep
What else? Are some of these ever gonna be answered?

Bones... Amelie Earhart? Can someone refresh my memory?
Who is Matthew Abbadon?
Why is Annie so important?
What's up with all the speculation about CHarlotte?

And I have one more thing to add to your list of what needs to be explained-- The polar bear!!

siobhan.murphy

2-ShortDa5foot5 wrote: »

Bones... Amelie Earhart? Can someone refresh my memory?
Who is Matthew Abbadon?
Why is Annie so important?
What's up with all the speculation about CHarlotte?

And I have one more thing to add to your list of what needs to be explained-- The polar bear!!

I think half our problem is that we are probably drinking too much durning the show!:eek:

JLemmon

About 25 odd years ago Spandau Ballet had a song out
and the opening lyrics were
"Questions Questions gimme no answers,
to cut a long story short I lost my mind"
I reckon the creators must have done abit of lyric writing
back in the day
Well I think two storylines wil be followed in S5
One the 3 years previous and second the race between Widmore and Ben\Jack to get back to the island.
In the Sky "answers programme" the creators said more of widmore and christian shepard in S5, we can only guess but it might be Christian and\or Jacob who made the island a misery after the O6 left.
Probably use Season 6 to tie up the rest of these arcs, as well as the other million questions that will come up next year

siobhan.murphy

they are making it up as they go along!:D

Sinfonia

2-ShortDa5foot5 wrote: »

Bones... Amelie Earhart? Can someone refresh my memory?
There were two skeletons in the caves in season one. The writers have said the skeletons were basically put there so that at the end of the whole show, people will look back and conclude that - in relation to something, probably time - the writers knew where they were going all along and didn't just make it up as they went along. Not sure about the Amelia Earhart reference? Something to do with the Find 815 ARG?
Who is Matthew Abbadon?
Abbadon is the man who visited Hurley in the mental hospital in a flash-forward, originally claiming to be a representative for Oceanic Airlines. He also recruited Naomi, Miles, Daniel, Charlotte and Frank. And he appeared as an orderly in the hospital where Locke received rehabilitation therapy, and told Locke about the 'Walkabout'.
Why is Annie so important?
She was friends with Ben when they were kids. I personally wouldn't call that a loose end, I don't think it's really that important. EDIT: Just found out that according to the Season 3 DVD Commentary, she'll be a very important character in the future!
What's up with all the speculation about CHarlotte?
In the S4 finale Miles mentioned something that alluded to Charlotte having been born on the island IIRC, and as a result she decided to remain there.

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alfaz

the polar bears had to do with moving the island imo. it was very cold down where the wheel was, so i guess they could just leave it down there, feed it and use it when needed. thats why one was found in the desert that time too.
must have been one of them just got loose before when we seen it in the jungle.

ixoy

alfaz wrote: »

the polar bears had to do with moving the island imo. it was very cold down where the wheel was, so i guess they could just leave it down there, feed it and use it when needed. thats why one was found in the desert that time too.

Why would they keep a pet polar bear in a little cavern? What would they use him for?

And of course they're making huge chunks of it up as they go along - but it will be fun seeing how much of the above they can explain as they do!

alfaz

it would be used so a person wouldn't have to leave the island when it was being moved. this was said by ben, that the person that did it could never return to the island. the bear had to be used because of the temperature.
don't ask me how they got the bloody thing down there though.

eddiehead

Re: The Polar Bears, SP had a theory in another thread that they were there to turn the wheel if needed in the icy cave.Theywere obviously very smart seeing as the figured out the fish biscuit thing quicker than Sawyer lol. Ben wound up in tunisia after turning it, and so(it would seem) did the polar bear charlotte found in the desert in "Confirmed Dead". This makes perfect sense to me when I think about it, it also shows that they are not making it up as they go along because the bears have been around since the start.

EDIT: I really should read all the posts before replying lol

alfaz

topnutz wrote: »

Re: The Polar Bears, SP had a theory in another thread that they were there to turn the wheel if needed in the icy cave.Theywere obviously very smart seeing as the figured out the fish biscuit thing quicker than Sawyer lol. Ben wound up in tunisia after turning it, and so(it would seem) did the polar bear charlotte found in the desert in "Confirmed Dead". This makes perfect sense to me when I think about it, it also shows that they are not making it up as they go along because the bears have been around since the start.

well said!

about them making the whole thing up, although it does take a while for it to happen everything is coming together. slowly but surely. they do seem to have been planning ahead from the very start.

JLemmon

2-ShortDa5foot5 wrote: »

Bones... Amelie Earhart? Can someone refresh my memory?
Who is Matthew Abbadon?
Why is Annie so important?
What's up with all the speculation about Charlotte?

And I have one more thing to add to your list of what needs to be explained-- The polar bear!!

Bones = In season one Jack + Locke found some human remains in a cave and they were carrying some black and white stones, they made a thing about it at the time, creators said it would be covered, maybe the island flashback ep.
Abbadon = Not sure spelling is right but He's the black guy who recruited Naomi and met with Hurley and Locke in the Hospital. Locke owes him a favor.
Annie = Dunno really on this one, did she die in the purge? Again a story that was made big at the time, but also her fate is unanswered.
Charlotte = Is an Island Native, revealed in series finale.

monkeyfudge

Could Annie be Charlotte?

Could the skeletons be Jack and Kate after being sent back in time?

Sad Professor

DonkeyStyle \o/ wrote: »

The magic box,

The whole island is a magic box. It was a metaphor.

SP

eddiehead

alfaz wrote: »

well said!

about them making the whole thing up, although it does take a while for it to happen everything is coming together. slowly but surely. they do seem to have been planning ahead from the very start.

Im sure if we looked over all of lost from the start, more and more things would make sense. Also, I doubt all the issues regarding the islands general mythology(Jacob, Smokey, The Others, Fourtoed Statue) were intended to be answered by now, we are only 66% of the way through after all. OP, an awful lot of those questions were only posed in season 4(Abbadon, Lockes Death, Bens Revenge, Where did the island go, Ageless Richard), they hardly need to be answered right away. I do agree with some of them though, like Walt, but I think hes on the way back, so they will address it eventually.

JLemmon

monkeyfudge wrote: »

Could Annie be Charlotte?

Could the skeletons be Jack and Kate after being sent back in time?

No Annie's older then charlotte, Ben already met her and read out her bio, born in '79, probably 1879 if she's a native

Good point on the Skeletons, I reckon we have to watch out for the Black and White stones and see who takes them, maybe Claire and Christian???
Sawyer and Kate?
Oh yeah i think it was said the bodies had been there for 50 - 60 years.

kevmy

JLemmon wrote: »

No Annie's older then charlotte, Ben already met her and read out her bio, born in '79, probably 1879 if she's a native

Yeah because time is set in stone on the island, right.:rolleyes:

Charlie

The list the OP made would cover most of what is irking me, but I have a few others

- The DHARMA Initiative. Is it still being run at any level? What were it's true intentions with the Island? Are any people such as Hanso, or Dr. Edgar Halowax still around?

- Rouessau. I know her character isn't that relevant anymore, but a flashback would be interesting.

- Henry Gale. Not a big one, but the fact it is so difficult to find the island and he just happened to crash into it, I think had something to do with when the Island was moved last time.

- The Others. How long have they been on the Island. Why is t that they feel so compelled to stay there and protect it. How were they so well funded and able to build the community, yet stay under the radar of Widmore? What is the structure of the group, and it's purpose, i.e. Ben said he was not always the leader, and Locke seems to take his position once he leaves, yet Richard seems to have been on the Island the island longest and has never lead, why so?

- Was the Valenzetti Equation actually real, and is it still a concern? (Maybe this is something that has been covered)

- Paulo and Nikki I know people hated them, but the way we last saw them was intriguing, and I think the writers said before that they would make a return in some form or another.

- Finally, a bit vague and out there, but how many people in the world know about the Island? Surely top Govt. brass must have gotten wind of it. Why has it stayed so secret for so long? Is it part of a wider coverup?

DonkeyStyle \o/

Sad Professor wrote: »

The whole island is a magic box. It was a metaphor.

I know it was a metaphor, but the hows and whys of Locke's father showing up still needs some explaining IMO.

If the whole island is the 'magic box', why hasn't Ben just said that?
In season 3, Ben said "somewhere on this island, there's a very large box..."
Why complicate the explanation like that, instead of saying something like "the island is like a large box".
I think there could be something location-specific about the 'box', maybe similar to the place Ben went to to call the smoke monster or move the island.

In the season 4 finale, when they went down to the orchid, Locke asked - "Is this the magic box?"
If Locke is still wondering, then I'm leaning towards a more complicated explanation.

Although Ben's reaction to that question was pretty funny... a kind of flabbergasted expression, like Locke completely misunderstood the whole concept.

Maybe it's already been widely accepted that the island is the box, and maybe the writers confirmed it or something, I don't really keep up with this stuff, so maybe I'm way off.
I want there to be a "box", so maybe it's just wishful thinking

Sinfonia

DonkeyStyle \o/ wrote: »

I know it was a metaphor, but the hows and whys of Locke's father showing up still needs some explaining IMO.

If the whole island is the 'magic box', why hasn't Ben just said that?
In season 3, Ben said "somewhere on this island, there's a very large box..."
Why complicate the explanation like that, instead of saying something like "the island is like a large box".
I think there could be something location-specific about the 'box', maybe similar to the place Ben went to to call the smoke monster or move the island.

In the season 4 finale, when they went down to the orchid, Locke asked - "Is this the magic box?"
If Locke is still wondering, then I'm leaning towards a more complicated explanation.

Although Ben's reaction to that question was pretty funny... a kind of flabbergasted expression, like Locke completely misunderstood the whole concept.

Maybe it's already been widely accepted that the island is the box, and maybe the writers confirmed it or something, I don't really keep up with this stuff, so maybe I'm way off.
I want there to be a "box", so maybe it's just wishful thinking

from Lostpedia:

In the March 26, 2007 podcast, executive producer Damon Lindelof confirmed that the box reference is a metaphor for something else: "It would be kind of silly to walk to the middle of the island and there's a kind of a big large refrigerator box sitting there and Kate's horse comes trotting out and Sayid's little cat and Jack's dad ... that would be kind of the worst idea in the history of ideas."

In the May 23, 2007 special "Lost: The Answers," producers Cuse and Lindelof commented on the nature of the magic box metaphor, stating that "the entire island is a magic box."

Sad Professor

Well Cooper was brought to the island by the Others, or at least that's what he seemed to suggest in The Brig. Personally I was never too keen on this explanation and would have preferred the idea that the island brought him there, like maybe he crashed there also by some incredible coincidence or fate. But yeah hopefully we'll get more on this.

I think the reason Ben used the magic box metaphor was because he thought Locke was slow and used an explanation involving something he'd understand, boxes. Basically he was just patronising him. I think Ben's reaction to Locke's question in the finale was sort of a wink to the fans.

SP

Shellie13

Like the idea that the island is a magic box- but if so why do so many people die on it????

and john locke/ jeremy bentham???
What is that about???
They are both philosophers with conflicting theories as far as i know- is this centeral?

Shellie13

monkeyfudge wrote: »

Could the skeletons be Jack and Kate after being sent back in time?

I love this one!!!

Bounty Hunter

think the others are the Islands original inhabitants the four toed statue makers and that Charlotte is one of them who somehow ended up living with the Dharma people. Originally here name was Annie. She left the Island when still young but at some stage realised she had stopped aging (as Others/Richard dont) and then she began searching for the Island i.e finding the polar bear in the desert. Then after being visited by abbadon (dude from the Wire) she borded widmores ship and headed back home... To the Island.

Shellie13

why would we think charlotte was annie???

DonkeyStyle \o/

Sad Professor wrote: »

Well Cooper was brought to the island by the Others, or at least that's what he seemed to suggest in The Brig. Personally I was never too keen on this explanation and would have preferred the idea that the island brought him there, like maybe he crashed there also by some incredible coincidence or fate. But yeah hopefully we'll get more on this.

IIRC, when Locke had him captive in the shipwreck, he explained that all he remembered before arriving on the island was being in a car crash... alluding to the island being some kind of afterlife.
Maybe he was taken unconscious from the hospital, but what I took from it was that the island/Jacob/Ben had somehow teleported/summoned him there via this box phenomenon.

Sad Professor wrote: »

I think the reason Ben used the magic box metaphor was because he thought Locke was slow and used an explanation involving something he'd understand, boxes. Basically he was just patronising him. I think Ben's reaction to Locke's question in the finale was sort of a wink to the fans.

Yeah that works for me... there was definitely an element of humour there from Ben's side.
What still throws me is how Locke, as in touch as he is with the island, still doesn't understand the box... unless I'm reading too far into it and the whole question was just a joke thrown in by the writers.

In the May 23, 2007 special "Lost: The Answers," producers Cuse and Lindelof commented on the nature of the magic box metaphor, stating that "the entire island is a magic box."

"a" magic box ... that doesn't quite put it to bed for me... "the" magic box would have.
Even if that's the case, it really isn't working as advertised... unless only those chosen by the island / Jacob can use it to full effect.
Either way, there's still a loose end here.

cooker3

There really isn't a loose end there. It's a metaphor, end of.

Killaqueen!!!

topnutz wrote: »

Re: The Polar Bears, SP had a theory in another thread that they were there to turn the wheel if needed in the icy cave.Theywere obviously very smart seeing as the figured out the fish biscuit thing quicker than Sawyer lol. Ben wound up in tunisia after turning it, and so(it would seem) did the polar bear charlotte found in the desert in "Confirmed Dead". This makes perfect sense to me when I think about it, it also shows that they are not making it up as they go along because the bears have been around since the start.

EDIT: I really should read all the posts before replying lol

Why didn't they put in a wheel in the cages they were kept in instead of trainging them to get a fish biscuit? Surely if they wanted them to turn a massive wooden wheel, they'd install a smaller one in the cages and work their way up?
Also, how did the polar bears get in there? The area with the wheel was sealed until Ben blew a hole entrance using the thingy in the Orchid.

It is a nice theory though.