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> we've bred generations of people who now believe it's their right for free handouts in return for nothing.
There is some truth in this. As social payment levels and benefits have gone up, studies have been done (across several countries) that prove that there is more 'take-up' of these payments and benefits, such as housing, etc. ie: It feeds on itself. For socialists and governments, its a problem to solve, and in recent decades the problem has not been solved.
It is clear that many young women in disadvantaged areas go down this avenue (having a kid in their teens or early 20's and getting state support to live) as a 'career choice', and it is cyclical as one daughter follows her mother and does the same thing. Rules have also been added in recent decades that allow de facto 'husbands' classified as boyfriends to live with the women and not be income assessed. The women are also allowed to work legally to some extent and not have that effect their benefits and also many choose the black market as an additional source of income. There is zero incentive for them to enter the workforce.
One argument proferred is that young women dont choose this route on purpose, and that for many it is a struggle of a choice, a young mother on her own having to manage a young child. Its true that many will question at times what have they done, but in terms of costs to the state, it is an expensive path, and one that 'traps' the mother into a certain lifestyle.
Some countries adopt more 'tough love' supports, where there is less state support but where father payments are high and mandatory. The latter can be unfair in a large no of cases as many now fathers did not plan to have the child and some may have only met the young woman once!XxSparklexX wrote: »Im a single mother of one child whos 8, im from Rathgar, i was tryin my best after college (mechanical engineerin, then beauty, then specialised in make up) i worked full time for a few yrs.
I was earning 360 per wk, half of my wages wer goin on an after school care for my daughter each wk, i also have a loan out and a car (which i bought for 300, not a fancy bmw!) to maintain,.
At the end of each week i was comin out with nothing to live on, i love my job im a make up artist now for mac, but i had to cut my hours down because i needed to move out of home and start my own life. the only way i could do this is by leavin full time work and workin one day a week, i was then able to apply for my book back, get my wages from one day, apply for rent allowance etc. im now comin out with in and around the same amount with no after school to pay. It pisses me off because i want to work like every one else, i love my job and everone i work with and i was gutted leavin full time.
im movin in to my own apartment this wk finally, with the help of rent allowance,i think unmarried mothers get alot of bad press, yes there are many out there who couldnt be arsed workin but there is also some of us who want to work but cant aford to
. i think a better child care system needs to be in place in this country it would have helped me out any way. we are not all spongers who couldnt be arsed workin.
You are very brave for coming on here. Your aim to participate in the workforce is to be lauded. However, you are in the minority, I would estimate that only 5% of the young women in your position act (or feel) like you do. Most take the state for what they can get, and as the OP said, most feel that it is their right.
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Its a pity you didnt think ahead when this baby was being conceived isnt it?
You sound as if you care alot more about your studies than this child, you also seem more concerned about whether this will cost you anything and how quickly you can get rid of it than the welfare of the child. Im sorry this baby is such an inconvenience to you.
I know plenty of people who have become pregnant at a young age and have managed because they wouldnt part with their own flesh and blood for anything. I dont know your individual circumstances but I think if you really wanted this child you would work something out.
I hope your girlfriend is going to be able to cope both emotionally and physically with giving up her child aswell as being back in college in September.
My, swinging from abusing people for adopting to abusing people for keeping a child.Alot more people are abusing the system than you would realise, I dont know that girls situation but I am from what would be known as a respectable area of Dublin and I know alot of people who are claiming unmarried mothers allowance.
Most of them are actually living with the babys fathers and having their rent paid as they claim they got pregnant on a one night stand and dont know the father. Alot of them are also working taxfree ie childminding and claiming the allowance aswell as their rent being paid and at the end of the month come out alot better off than most of us working!!
They also have no incentive to go back to work because they know eventually they will be given a council house and when they do go back to work they dont receive any help with childcare so they would end up alot worse off than they are now.
Dont get me wrong, I think the social welfare should be there to help single mothers but I think alot more checks should be done to ensure the women claiming are actually single mothers! The social would spend alot less money employing inspectors to visit people more often than they are now paying out benefits for all these people who are not entitled.
I also think there should be more help there for struggling families, alot of couples find it hard to support a child financially, not just single mothers.
No such thing as "unmarried mothers allowance".Alot more people are abusing the system than you would realise, I dont know that girls situation but I am from what would be known as a respectable area of Dublin and I know alot of people who are claiming unmarried mothers allowance.
Wow, families sticking together. Good. Yeah?Most of them are actually living with the babys fathers
You know this how? The MK01 and Single Mothers Gossip Group?and having their rent paid as they claim they got pregnant on a one night stand and dont know the father.
Perfectly legal.Alot of them are also working taxfree ie childminding
Which allowance?and claiming the allowance aswell
Begrudery?as their rent being paid and at the end of the month come out alot better off than most of us working!!
But you said alot of them worked as child minders. Are you saying you lied earlier?They also have no incentive to go back to work
Oh really. /runs off to find a suitable lolcat.because they know eventually they will be given a council house
They do get teh quarterly child care payment, but yes, I think there should be more supported childcare palces available.and when they do go back to work they dont receive any help with childcare so
So babies should be housed how?they would end up alot worse off than they are now.
You think they may be baby snatchers?Dont get me wrong, I think the social welfare should be there to help single mothers but I think alot more checks should be done to ensure the women claiming are actually single mothers!
http://www.oireachtas.ie/ViewDoc.asp?DocId=-1&CatID=138&m=mThe social would spend alot less money employing inspectors to visit people more often than they are now paying out benefits for all these people who are not entitled.
Sure, but to give to one, you don't have to take from others.I also think there should be more help there for struggling families, alot of couples find it hard to support a child financially, not just single mothers.
I don't know, perhaps the Department of Social and Family Affairs figures for what is typically paid for each type of accommodation in each area?How do they arrive at these figures? From the CSO rent stats?
Yes, but that can only really brought into play from moving accommodation.Do they take account of rental reductions in the market?
Go back and read the document: http://www.welfare.ie/topics/legis/si44_07.pdfCouple with no children get 200 while a couple with one child OR a single mother with one child gets 1000 a month.(I) (A) the monthly amount set out in columns (6), (7) and (8) opposite that reference in respect of each of the counties Dublin, Wicklow and Kildare, or
(B) the weekly amount in all other cases,
set out in Schedule C to these Regulations in respect of such class or classes of persons referred to in row (1) of the said Schedule, and
Governments do that.That sounds like encouraging the birth rate there.
Whers the 800 figure? The lowest amount listed is €303 per month per property (or €147 per month person for a 5 family household).Why does Dublin/Kildare/Wicklow have huge difference in amounts like above(800+) but everywhere else is only about 20 quid?!+1 I was shocked by the giant leap also, and how Dublin single mothers are getting paid over 5 times the amount of the rest of the country. I realise Dublin rents are a lot higher, but the entire county being 5 times that of say, Cork City? I really doubt it. A quick look at daft.ie matches this hypothesis.
Thank you.Ah, so they are
Ministerial perogative based on recommendations from the departmental advisers, who in turn probably get someone to analyse what people are paying and they decide a cut off point.How do they determine these figures though?0 -
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Without coming across as a type of male 'feminist'
Maybe off topic or related to the topic through 'unmarried mothers' but..
It's quite diffcicult for a woman to raise a child in this country with how the system encourages women to be in the workforce to earn a decent crust but yet when they have a child, they are totally dependent on the partner for income once the maternity leave is up.
It's either that or go out back to work less than a year after birth and throw your loving child into that expensive creche for the first few years.
It's surprising the birth rate has held up so far!0 -
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