Training before breakfast

wayne1

IS IT BAD OR GOOD FOR YOU ANY SUGGESTIONS :cool:

pvt.joker

what kind of training? Cardio is good as you'll be excercising on an empty stomach, forcing your body to use its reserves (fat) as energy.

VIS VIRES

I don't think that its good to train on an empty stomach at any time it wont burn more fat it will most likely use stored glycogn or muscle for fual....

tribulus

Yeah I think it would be better if you at least got something into you beforehand.

I know I struggle to eat much if I'm up earlier than usual (assuming you're training early) but even a protein shake and a small amount of carbs would be better than nothing at all.

d-gal

Have a protein shake and then cardio, it will burn straight into your fats, majority of your shakes will have your essential amino acids so that will help aswell.
If you are doing weights then do eat a mix of carbs/protein coz u will have sweet fcuk all energy to lift

flywheel

excercising on an empty stomach, forcing your body to use its reserves (fat) as energy.

Have a protein shake and then cardio, it will burn straight into your fats

hi, out of interest, as this get's posted here from time to time, can anyone provide any sounds references to back these up

not just the posters above stating them, so they must have originated from somewhere; maybe from specific study / journal / artcile so does anyone know any sources so they can be checked out?

Hanley

The difference is absolutely minimal at best. There was some discussion about it a while back if I remember correctly.

The only reason I would personally train before breakfast would be if I was going straight out my front door to do cardio, and even then I'd only do it because I think my stomach would feel better for it, not for the added weightloss benefits. I wouldn't go all the way to the gym on an empty stomach tho, I'd rather have something light before hand.

flywheel

thanks, i was trying to read up on the body's energy systems recently and the when 'fat burning' kicked in (sure everyone will be different, but there should be some general guidance)

but i can't seem to find anything about exercising when having no food or having just digested large amounts of protein then resulting in fat being burnt during the session

d-gal

DubWireless wrote: »

hi, out of interest, as this get's posted here from time to time, can anyone provide any sounds references to back these up

not just the posters above stating them, so they must have originated from somewhere; maybe from specific study / journal / artcile so does anyone know any sources so they can be checked out?

its common knowledge really nutrition wise that you use your carbs for energy first (especially high intensity) predominately then you use your fats after. So therefore if you have no carbs in your body in the morning then you will burn predominately fats. Protein as you prob know just helps muscle repair therefore aids muscle growth.

Marathon Man

Hanley wrote: »

The difference is absolutely minimal at best. There was some discussion about it a while back if I remember correctly.

The only reason I would personally train before breakfast would be if I was going straight out my front door to do cardio, and even then I'd only do it because I think my stomach would feel better for it, not for the added weightloss benefits. I wouldn't go all the way to the gym on an empty stomach tho, I'd rather have something light before hand.

I agree completely. Thats how I train. Cardio- requires more time after food whereas Gym- doesn't matter so much unless one is really gonna kill oneself.

amazingemmet

d-gal wrote: »

its common knowledge really nutrition wise that you use your carbs for energy first (especially high intensity) predominately then you use your fats after. So therefore if you have no carbs in your body in the morning then you will burn predominately fats. Protein as you prob know just helps muscle repair therefore aids muscle growth.

Can you prove that the body is in a glycogen depleted state after a nights sleep?

wayne1

pvt.joker wrote: »

what kind of training? Cardio is good as you'll be excercising on an empty stomach, forcing your body to use its reserves (fat) as energy.

yes sorry cardio

d-gal

amazingemmet wrote: »

Can you prove that the body is in a glycogen depleted state after a nights sleep?

well think about it, if you don't eat for 8hours during the day you will feel very weak, this is because lack of energy (ie no carbs and then no fats). same thing with a complete protein diet, much harder to function and very hard to create energy (like when a bodybuilder is cutting, they nearly die doing a weight session!). Now during the night your still using energy, you still burn calories so you are depleted in the morning, not completely but a lot more than say after eating a meal. So therefore if you train with a depleted carb stomach then its easier to get into the fat reserves and burn'em!!!

lisajane

I have read about this a few months back and tried it out a few times and i wouldn't again. I felt sick from not eating first thing in the morning.

thirtyfoot

Its bad if you want to train well as there will be no fuel in the tank.

d-gal

Ya its hard to do it alright but it is very good for weight loss, effective but i think its what type of person you are aka a morning person or not, some people feel like their nervous system hasn't woken up so they cant train until lunchtime

flywheel

d-gal wrote: »

its common knowledge really nutrition wise that you use your carbs for energy first (especially high intensity) predominately then you use your fats after. So therefore if you have no carbs in your body in the morning then you will burn predominately fats. Protein as you prob know just helps muscle repair therefore aids muscle growth.

i got the carbs being used first alright

but then the part i keep finding mixed info on is what happens next once your glycogen stores are depleted... where did you read / learn that fat was next?

my understanding, so far, is that fats are part of the 'fuel mix', so once your carb reserves are drained it is your protein reserves that are the next source for the 'fuel mix'... and as you say with proteins being so important for growth, maintenance and repair - why would i want to be depleting those precious protein reserves?

Mikel

I don't agree with this logic at all. If for the sake of argument your body does use fat first thing in the morning, there's no way you can train as intensively without eating, so you'll burn less calories. You'll probably end up eating twice as much afterwards compared to someone who did eat before because you're so hungry. What happens to the excess calories you take in?
If you train with intensity and have a calorific defecit the fat loss will take care of itself imo.
That said, I think it's a huge assumption that your body is depleted of glycogen in the morning AND it will dig into fat stores to supply energy.

amazingemmet

d-gal wrote: »

well think about it, if you don't eat for 8hours during the day you will feel very weak, this is because lack of energy (ie no carbs and then no fats). same thing with a complete protein diet, much harder to function and very hard to create energy (like when a bodybuilder is cutting, they nearly die doing a weight session!). Now during the night your still using energy, you still burn calories so you are depleted in the morning, not completely but a lot more than say after eating a meal. So therefore if you train with a depleted carb stomach then its easier to get into the fat reserves and burn'em!!!

Now think about this, What is your heart rate while you sleep? What energy pathway does your body use at a low heart rate? When you sleep normally healthy people have pulse of GH while they sleep, What does GH help liberate?
If you answer all those then you'll see why you wouldn't be in a depleted state after a nights rest. The only reason people reccomend pre food am cardio is to try take advantage of having extra oxidised fatty acids in your system and even then you have to keep your heart rate low to stop tapping into your glycogen supplies.

Also No bodybuilder when they are cutting would have a complete protein diet.

d-gal

amazingemmet wrote: »

Now think about this, What is your heart rate while you sleep? What energy pathway does your body use at a low heart rate? When you sleep normally healthy people have pulse of GH while they sleep, What does GH help liberate?
If you answer all those then you'll see why you wouldn't be in a depleted state after a nights rest. The only reason people reccomend pre food am cardio is to try take advantage of having extra oxidised fatty acids in your system and even then you have to keep your heart rate low to stop tapping into your glycogen supplies.

Also No bodybuilder when they are cutting would have a complete protein diet.

Ya sorry i know bb's cutting diets are not complete protein, just majority protein like no carbs after 3 etc.
I know the point you are making but you are more depleted in the morning than any other time (except obviously after high intensive training session), for example evening or after a meal. I personally think training without food is more for an advanced athlete as they can still do an intense workout better than the average person without going over 140bpm which as you said would hit the glycogen stores.

As to reply about eating twice as much after...just depends what you eat, more protein will be fine.

This type of training is simply only another option for weight loss or ripping up, i found it very good even though it is tough but hey who said any exercise isn't!

flywheel

so is the outcome of this discussion that training on an empty stomach (before breakfast) doesn't burn more fat?

(i understood the original topic was about the general public, so can we take the scope to include general people / exercisers rather than focusing on minority groups like advanced atheletes or body builders who may have to follow a regimented and specific nutrition plan)