Weight Watchers Cheese

EileenG

I've just discovered this, very high protein, low fat, and it cooks quite well, but Dunnes seem to have stopped doing it.

Does anyone know where I can get some some?

EileenG

Never mind, I've just discovered that M&S does a low fat grated cheese which is almost identical. 34g of protein and 2g of fat per 100g of cheese. Those are better macros than chicken breast.

FunkZ

EileenG wrote: »

Never mind, I've just discovered that M&S does a low fat grated cheese which is almost identical. 34g of protein and 2g of fat per 100g of cheese. Those are better macros than chicken breast.

That sounds class and could well have me eating chicken omelettes everyday. Cheers!

eclectichoney

cool stuff. any chance you could post what the label looks like??

cozmik

EileenG wrote: »

Never mind, I've just discovered that M&S does a low fat grated cheese which is almost identical. 34g of protein and 2g of fat per 100g of cheese. Those are better macros than chicken breast.

It's tasteless and rubbery according to Mens Health. YMMV ,of course.

http://www.menshealth.co.uk/Nutrition/Say-cheese/v3

EileenG

It's fine to throw into a salad or use to top some cauliflower.

eclectichoney

The only one i could find in M&S today was a half fat one??
I did pick up a unislim one with 30g protein and 8g of fat per 100g. Not as good but it tastes ok actually

EileenG

No, it's grated, and it's right beside the other grated cheese. Look for the fairly small "low fat" flash.

Faith

I honestly think watching what you eat has gone too far when you start replacing perfectly nutritious, healthy, natural foods like cheese with a fake, processed alternative. If you're concerned about calories, just cut down on the amount of real cheese that you eat.

EileenG

I'm not a fan of tuna, so I'd rather eat a cheese with a lot of protein.

Transform

Faith wrote: »

I honestly think watching what you eat has gone too far when you start replacing perfectly nutritious, healthy, natural foods like cheese with a fake, processed alternative. If you're concerned about calories, just cut down on the amount of real cheese that you eat.

Totally agree - women that are overweight and fat stay that way because they eat like men and men that are overweight and fat well they stay that way becase well they eat like pigs.

Its all about portions and the quality of the food you eat

neuro-praxis

Faith wrote: »

I honestly think watching what you eat has gone too far when you start replacing perfectly nutritious, healthy, natural foods like cheese with a fake, processed alternative. If you're concerned about calories, just cut down on the amount of real cheese that you eat.

I hear what you're saying, but say for example you're following the Weight Watchers plan and you're allowed to have 20 points a day (that's an average allowance).

A slice of cheddar will cost you 4 points, or one fifth of your daily intake of calories.

I'd rather have two slices of LowLow cheddar for 3 points, thanks. It's just as delicious (not all low-fat cheeses are, mind), and actually, every bit as nutritious.

Faith

EileenG wrote: »

I'm not a fan of tuna, so I'd rather eat a cheese with a lot of protein.

I don't think I follow you. Are you suggesting tuna is the only other form of protein available?

neuro-praxis wrote: »

I hear what you're saying, but say for example you're following the Weight Watchers plan and you're allowed to have 20 points a day (that's an average allowance).

A slice of cheddar will cost you 4 points, or one fifth of your daily intake of calories.

I'd rather have two slices of LowLow cheddar for 3 points, thanks. It's just as delicious (not all low-fat cheeses are, mind), and actually, every bit as nutritious.

What size is a slice though? I like my cheese very finely sliced, so it's almost see-through. If you're talking about a big wedge of cheese that's half an inch thick, then I understand why it's 4 points. Just looking at Dubliner cheese - a serving size is 1oz, or 28g, which is ~1/7th of the block. It has 110 calories in it. I don't know how WW calculates points, but 110 calories most certainly doesn't equate to a fifth of your daily calorie allowance.

I know the fake cheeses are nutritious, but personally I'd far rather have something that's nutritious and natural. One of the core points of healthy eating is to avoid processed food. It's like if someone said they really like potatoes, but they always bought frozen McCains potato wedges because they were just as nutritious. They'd be inundated with replies saying, "No that's crap! Have the real product!".

Just my 2c, anyway.

rubadub

Faith wrote: »

I honestly think watching what you eat has gone too far when you start replacing perfectly nutritious, healthy, natural foods like cheese with a fake, processed alternative. If you're concerned about calories, just cut down on the amount of real cheese that you eat.

Each person will be different. I prefer half a normal chocolate bar than some low fat/carb versions of bars. Same goes for some other versions of products, like curry sauces. I do like these low fat cheeses, I like them dry and crumbly, you obviously do not, I think you mentioned your disgust in another thread before. I get enough fat in my diet from other sources, not only are some of these cheeses half the fat, they can be almost twice the protein. You could very well call them protein supplements. So I put twice the amount on a pizza as usual, and get 4 times the protein too.

Is there some processing in these cheeses that especially worries you? all cheese is processed milk anyway. I presumed they just add back in proteins, so it is pretty much like having whey shakes.

Faith

rubadub wrote: »

Each person will be different. I prefer half a normal chocolate bar than some low fat/carb versions of bars. Same goes for some other versions of products, like curry sauces. I do like these low fat cheeses, I like them dry and crumbly, you obviously do not, I think you mentioned your disgust in another thread before. I get enough fat in my diet from other sources, not only are some of these cheeses half the fat, they can be almost twice the protein. You could very well call them protein supplements. So I put twice the amount on a pizza as usual, and get 4 times the protein too.

Is there some processing in these cheeses that especially worries you? I presumed they just add back in proteins, so it is pretty much like having whey shakes.

Yeah, I tried a low-fat cheese because and nearly vomited. Maybe I was unlucky with the one I chose, but it put me right off. I'm not knocking peoples decisions to use them, I just don't understand it in this case. I'm not a huge cheese fan, I can take it or leave it - maybe that's why. To follow on from what you said, I too would prefer half a normal chocolate bar to a "low fat" alternative. Even though it would kill me to leave half the bar, I'd prefer it to the alternative (this isn't a great example though as chocolate is junk food no matter what!).

I don't know what processing takes place, but I've always believed that natural is far better than processed for everything.

neuro-praxis

Faith wrote: »

What size is a slice though? I like my cheese very finely sliced, so it's almost see-through. If you're talking about a big wedge of cheese that's half an inch thick, then I understand why it's 4 points. Just looking at Dubliner cheese - a serving size is 1oz, or 28g, which is ~1/7th of the block. It has 110 calories in it. I don't know how WW calculates points, but 110 calories most certainly doesn't equate to a fifth of your daily calorie allowance.

Actually, you forgot the saturated fat. 28g has 110 calories + 6g of saturated fat which = 3 points. And one seventh of a 200g block of cheese is a very small serving. Try making sandwiches for 7 people with one 200g block of cheese. Also you'd easily use the whole block if you were making a gratin, pizza or lasagne. So Dubliner cheese is actually a good choice if you are happy to eat 28g of it. But 3 points is still a lot if we are talking about one ounce of food. You could have six or seven ounces of chicken and a load of vegetables for the same amount of points.

I know the fake cheeses are nutritious, but personally I'd far rather have something that's nutritious and natural.

Faith, all cheese is a processed food!

rubadub

neuro-praxis wrote: »

Actually, you forgot the saturated fat.

I wonder if WW are considering backtracking on the sat fat thing. There are a few threads about sat fats now. Some would say the sat fats would aid fat loss more than non-sat fats, so there could actually be a case for reducing points for sat fats, or just switching it around and adding points for non-sat fats.

cozmik

Did anyone read the stickies?

g'em wrote: »

Bad fats = saturated fats

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=54097419#post54097419

EileenG

Live and learn. For a long time, saturated fats were being lumped in with transfats when they were doing studies on different types of fats, and getting the blame for a lot of the problems caused by transfats. Now they are finding that saturated fats can be good for you, and definitely have a place in a healthy diet.

cozmik

EileenG wrote: »

Live and learn. For a long time, saturated fats were being lumped in with transfats when they were doing studies on different types of fats, and getting the blame for a lot of the problems caused by transfats. Now they are finding that saturated fats can be good for you, and definitely have a place in a healthy diet.

Who are "they" exactly?

EileenG

The sort of "experts" who make public pronouncements about what we should or should not be eating. The department of health, the American Heart Association, etc.

cozmik

EileenG wrote: »

The sort of "experts" who make public pronouncements about what we should or should not be eating. The department of health, the American Heart Association, etc.

Really?

Here's what the American Heart Association say on their website.

There are four major fats in the foods we eat: saturated fats, trans fats, monounsaturated fats and polyunsaturated fats. The four types have different chemical structures and physical properties. The bad fats, saturated and trans fats, tend to be more solid at room temperature (like a stick of butter), while monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats tend to be more liquid (like liquid vegetable oil).

Fats can also have different effects on the cholesterol levels in your body. The bad fats, saturated fats and trans fats raise bad cholesterol (LDL) levels in your blood. Monounsaturated fats and polyunsaturated fats can lower bad cholesterol levels and are beneficial when consumed in moderation.

http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=3045789

The World Health Organisation has the following advice.

Effective weight management for individuals and groups at risk of developing obesity involves a range of long-term strategies.

Promoting healthy behaviours to encourage, motivate and enable individuals to lose weight by:....

.....- moving from saturated animal-based fats to unsaturated vegetable-oil based fats.

http://www.who.int/dietphysicalactivity/publications/facts/obesity/en/

EileenG

Those are the general guidelines they promote, not specific references to certain foods. Every time a new study comes out showing that eating whole eggs improves your ratio of HLD to LDL cholesterol, or that a high cholesterol diet eaten by older weight trainers increases both strength and muscle mass more than a low cholesterol diet etc, they tell you to eat those foods "as part of your healthy low fat diet."

Read "The Diet Delusion" by Gary Taubes (you can borrow it from the library). The last 200 pages are references to studies showing that saturated fat is not bad for you.

cozmik

I don't understand how you can maintain the contradiction that science should be rejected (if it reaches a conclusion that you don't like) "general guidelines" as you put it, but should be accepted (if it reaches a conclusion that you do like). i.e. "eating whole eggs improves your ratio of HLD to LDL cholesterol" ?

EileenG wrote: »

saturated fat is not bad for you.

Sorry but that is not what the experts say.

EileenG

If science actually concluded that sat fats were bad for you, I'd be first in line to dump all my eggs in the bin. But it doesn't, and never has. Show me the studies that show that eating saturated fats will increase my chances of death, or my chances of osteoporosis, or anything else, and I'll refuse to eat another piece of cheese.

cozmik

EileenG wrote: »

If science actually concluded that sat fats were bad for you

The relationship between dietary fats and CVD, especially coronary heart disease, has been extensively investigated, with strong and consistent associations emerging from a wide body of evidence accrued from animal experiments, as well as observational studies, clinical trials and metabolic studies conducted in diverse human populations...Saturated fatty acids raise total and low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol...The most effective replacement for saturated fatty acids in terms of coronary heart disease outcome are polyunsaturated fatty acids, especially linoleic acid. This finding is supported by the results of several large randomized clinical trials, in which replacement of saturated and trans fatty acids by polyunsaturated vegetable oils lowered coronary heart disease risk.

– World Health Organization, Population nutrient intake goals for preventing diet-related chronic diseases,5.4.4

http://www.who.int/nutrition/topics/5_population_nutrient/en/index10.html

cozmik

back on topic

I saw Weight Watchers Cheese in SuperValu today.

regards

cozmik

EileenG

cozmik wrote: »

http://www.who.int/nutrition/topics/5_population_nutrient/en/index10.html

I said "increase my chances of death" and you certainly haven't shown that.

In every study carried out on humans, where type of fat eaten was compared with outcome (as opposed to possible risk factors), the group eating the saturated fats had the least deaths and the best health. The group eating the polyunsaturated fats had the lowest cholesterol, but were much more likely to have a heart attack or die.

Two very large scale studies on older women (in France and Canada) found that the women who ate the most saturated fats had the longest life expectancy and the strongest bones. The Harvard Nurses Study found that the women who ate the most saturated fats had the lowest levels of breast cancer. Study after study, including very long term ones like the Farmington Heart Study have found no correlation between saturated fat in the diet and death from heart disease.

I strongly suggest you read The Diet Delusion by Taubes, or do some further research on the subject.

cozmik

EileenG wrote: »

I said "increase my chances of death" and you certainly haven't shown that.

I don't have to prove anything to you EileenG I already provided you with reputable sources. You're the one making the ludicrous statements about saturated fat being good for people. If you choose to ignore the advice of those who are best placed to provide expert opinion on the subject all I can tell you is I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

kind regards

EileenG

cozmik wrote: »

I don't have to prove anything to you EileenG I already provided you with reputable sources. You're the one making the ludicrous statements about saturated fat being good for people. If you choose to ignore the advice of those who are best placed to provide expert opinion on the subject all I can tell you is I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

kind regards

I don't expect you to take my word for it. You'd be stupid to just believe anything you were told by a stranger on the internet, and you've given no sign that you are stupid! But I seriously recommend that you spend some time researching the stuff I've mentioned and coming to your own conclusions. If you do the research yourself, you may find that some of the stuff you've always accepted as fact has been over-simplified beyond belief. And the pay off is that you can eat eggs without worrying!

cozmik

EileenG wrote: »

I seriously recommend that you spend some time researching the stuff I've mentioned and coming to your own conclusions.

I HAVE done my own research EileenG thank you! Gary Taubes is a known low carb devotee and I can not find a single major governmental or nonprofit medical, nutrition, or science-based organisation in the world that supports low carb dieting.To reiterate I believe you are doing a giant disservice to readers here by claiming saturated fat is a good fat.And for the record I have never said I worry about eating eggs ,cheese or other animal fats, I personally enjoy them in moderation. That being said I would never recklessly recommend them as a source of good fats!