[Merged]International Rules - October 24th (Perth) and October 31st (Melbourne)

Xavi6

International Rules Series games confirmed

Thursday, 29 May 2008 12:10

The GAA and the AFL have confirmed that there will be a two-game International Rules Series between the countries in October of this year.

The games will take place on October 24th in Perth and October 31st in Melbourne.

Details of the stadiums to be used and other arrangements with regard to the Series will be confirmed at a later date.

GAA director general Paraic Duffy had issued an ultimatum to AFL bosses that they must confirm dates and venues for the Tests.

Get in!!!!

So Perth does get a game. Obviously it'll be in Subi here and I'd presume/hope for the MCG in Melbourne. Now to look up flights and accomodation in Melbourne.....

More discussion in the AFL forum.

kmart6

Xavi6 wrote: »

More discussion in the AFL forum.

Way to pimp your forum;)

Xavi6

You ol' cynic you!

Merely giving the masses an option for discussing the game. Bound to be some good chat/debate in the run up to it. The GAA heads in here might like some informed opinion on the Aussie players.

kmart6

Haha,giving out secrets on dodgy knees now are ya?!

Xavi6

Lol nah just gonna give a bit of a heads up on which Aussies are most likely to kick the shit out of a postman

kmart6

Ah they're all moving up now....they've become bank cashiers!

hunter164

Great to see it back delighted!! So that's 2 days mitching to watch the matches!

Pal

HA HA
International No Rules Fist Fighting returns.

they couldn't resist the filthy lucre.

Pride Fighter

I think if we are to take it seriously the All-Ireland champions should be our representatives. The last 2 tests we had some great footballers on the panel but were bullied off the park. If we send one team that sticks up for each other it wont happen. The Aussies could do it as well AFL champs vs AI champs, there will be less bloodshed IMO.

Pal

Pride Fighter wrote: »

The last 2 tests we were bullied off the park. .

we should not be afraid of these ozzies. sort then out this time. let them know we have tough players who can mix it. last time we just stood around and waited to get thumped.

premierstone

Pride Fighter wrote: »

I think if we are to take it seriously the All-Ireland champions should be our representatives. The last 2 tests we had some great footballers on the panel but were bullied off the park. If we send one team that sticks up for each other it wont happen. The Aussies could do it as well AFL champs vs AI champs, there will be less bloodshed IMO.

Dont think this is a good idea tbh, i can see where your coming from allright but in fairness this is the only chance a footballer has of playing for their country so why should a player from a county that has no chance of winning sam be denied this chance, this is a great honour and opportunity for good footballers from weaker counties e.g. Mattie Forde, Declan Browne, Dessie Dolan etc.

One Cold Hand

Pal wrote: »

we should not be afraid of these ozzies. sort then out this time. let them know we have tough players who can mix it. last time we just stood around and waited to get thumped.

Just dress all the Aussies up in Meath jerseys and send out Whelan! He'll kick seven shades of sh!te out of them!

DublinDes

Sending postmen, lorry drivers and office workers out to to take full time professionals. I remember when rugby union was made professional and a few weeks later these new professionals from rugby union played rugby league in a 'compromise game' - teh union fella were harmed by a cricket score !!!! Obviously now since both are professional it would be much closer, maybe the union fellas edging it, but total ameteurs v total professionals !!!

It's not for the players interest, i don't care what anyomne says, vested interests in the GAA, all expenses foreign trip every 2 years etc, etc.

gucci

Personally i like both sports, in their own right. But this compromise mullarky is a load of dung. But I guess the players who play for Ireland, want to play for Ireland, and regardless of what we say about revenue etc who are we to deny them a few games like this and a trip away (Which I'm sure involves alot of tough training and preperation as well as a few days relaxing!)
I just hope its reffed properly and fairly and that the games are played in genuine good spirit.

MRJ

One Cold Hand wrote: »

Just dress all the Aussies up in Meath jerseys and send out Whelan! He'll kick seven shades of sh!te out of them!

I would'nt be to sure of that!

Xavi6

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=12&ContentID=92880

Aussies need to tone it down, say players

20th August 2008, 14:00 WST

Ryan Crowley and Adam Selwood admit Australia will need to keep their emotions in check when the international series between Australia and Ireland resumes.

The hybrid game was brought to a halt in 2006 following a spiteful series that resulted in a number of players suffering injuries in violent on-field incidents.

The series was also marred by Brendan Fevola's alleged assault of an Irish barman, which resulted in the Carlton spearhead being sent home to Australia in disgrace.

When asked if this series, due to commence on October 24 with the first Test at Subiaco Oval, could boil over, Selwood replied: “Guys understand that for the betterment of the game we've got to keep our feelings intact but ... once you pull on the Australian jumper and see the ball, you just never know what's going to happen I guess.”

Selwood felt the difference between AFL and Gaelic football made it hard in some instances to find a middle ground, especially in regards to the hip and shoulder which is part and parcel of AFL football.

“That's our game and not part of theirs,” Selwood said.

“So it's just a sense of obviously pull yourself back at times, but when the ball's there in your area, as competitive as all of us guys are, usually we just go 100 per cent and you just see what happens.

“None of us go out there to intentionally hurt an Irish player, it's just a contrast in the sports.

“Being professional, we are a lot stronger than what they are whereas they probably read the game a lot better.”

Crowley said Australia's players may need to tone down their aggression, which has marred past series.

“When you pull on that Australian jumper it's a weird sort of feeling - you sort of get that sense of playing for your country and you've got the whole country looking at you, so it is pretty fiery,” Crowley said.

“I think in the last series the Irish gave as good as they got, but I suppose with all the press that came along with what happened with the last series we might have to tone it down a little bit.”

To prevent further on-field violence, the AFL has promised that any suspensions incurred in the international rules series would be served in the following year's home-and-away season.

“If you are going to step over the mark you've got to pay the consequences,” Crowley said.

Hmmmm I'm sceptical to say the least. I expect all the same big hits from the Aussies tbh. Can't see them backing off once they're out on the field.

walrusgumble

premierstone wrote: »

Dont think this is a good idea tbh, i can see where your coming from allright but in fairness this is the only chance a footballer has of playing for their country so why should a player from a county that has no chance of winning sam be denied this chance, this is a great honour and opportunity for good footballers from weaker counties e.g. Mattie Forde, Declan Browne, Dessie Dolan etc.

if tyrone were to win this years all ireland, you could forget about them representing ireland if the team was just all ireland winners, - micky harte is completely against the international rules

Orizio

What a load of bull****. Franklin alone would destroy us.

Xavi6

http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5gGmUFxopc-sv4OOFmodP3Nfr4Epw

Cavanagh named Ireland captain


Tyrone's Sean Cavanagh has been appointed captain of the Irleand team to face Australia in the International Rules series in October.

Graham Canty of Cork has been confirmed as vice-captain by manager Sean Boylan.

"Sean Cavanagh has been in the form of his life this year" said Boylan. "He was Man of the Match in the All-Ireland final and was one of the key players in Tyrone's march to glory this year.

"He is an excellent communicator and leads by example on the field. He is also ideally suited to the International game and it is a tremendous boost to have him on board for the trip Down Under".

Obvious choice really with Kennelly out. Martin Clarke is a massive loss as well. Gonna be an uphill battle for the Irish I think.

sslazio11

Obvious choice really with Kennelly out. Martin Clarke is a massive loss as well. Gonna be an uphill battle for the Irish I think.[/quote]

Agreed. I don't see how Ireland can win, because they just can't win the physical battle. It's professionals versus amateurs, and that will tell over the course of the two games. I just hope noone suffers a serious injury.

Pride Fighter

Mickey Harte wont be very happy. He will be justified when the thing is scrapped.

Yavvy

Why would it be scrapped ? just cause the auzzies won the last two series ? Ireland have every chance and now they they are taking moves to reduce the boxing matches then I dont see an issue. great sport imo... C'mon the paddies

Xavi6

Alany wrote: »

Why would it be scrapped ? just cause the auzzies won the last two series ? Ireland have every chance and now they they are taking moves to reduce the boxing matches then I dont see an issue. great sport imo... C'mon the paddies

Hmmmm do you really think so?

I watch these Aussie boys week in, week out and they are unbelievable athletes. Fitness and strength wise the Irish just don't match up. Plus the Aussies have the tackle down to a tee and know exactly how to pin the arms so the ball can't be released. The Irish don't have the benefit of that.

The only thing Ireland have going for them is the round ball imo.

Yavvy

nope its not the only thing... but it is an important point. Your right that the auzzies have 2 huge advantage's in the tackle and their size/fittness but I think the GAA lads are extreamly skilled too and will have learned a lot of lessons about making space and using the mark correctly.

The palyers need to play as a team, If they do that I think they can control the passing game. I watch AFL on TG4 every week. I know its hard for me to say form watching highlights but I think GAA players are better passers of a ball ( providing they are playing well together) ...just just have to remember to keep the ball off the ground. last time round we allow passes to bounce before taking them..

Xavi6

Alany wrote: »

nope its not the only thing... but it is an important point. Your right that the auzzies have 2 huge advantage's in the tackle and their size/fittness but I think the GAA lads are extreamly skilled too and will have learned a lot of lessons about making space and using the mark correctly.

The palyers need to play as a team, If they do that I think they can control the passing game. I watch AFL on TG4 every week. I know its hard for me to say form watching highlights but I think GAA players are better passers of a ball ( providing they are playing well together) ...just just have to remember to keep the ball off the ground. last time round we allow passes to bounce before taking them..

I honestly couldn't agree with that. The first thing that struck me both when I watched games on tv and went to them was how unbelievably accurate the AFL players are with their kicking. I thought it was far superior to GAA players.

Whether they can do it with a round ball however is a different story.

homerjay2005

if the best 15 players in ireland were playing, then im confident we would win. however, id say only 4 or 5 of the best players will end up playing. theres some players like geraghty and coulter that are made for this game that add to the squad, but not sure if they are in it...

not sure who from kerry is in there, but surely Thomas O Shea, Mahony, Tommy Walsh, Star, Paul Galvin would add to the squad. if only Darragh O Shea would play, would be a massive addition.

Xavi6

homerjay2005 wrote: »

if the best 15 players in ireland were playing, then im confident we would win. however, id say only 4 or 5 of the best players will end up playing. theres some players like geraghty and coulter that are made for this game that add to the squad, but not sure if they are in it...

not sure who from kerry is in there, but surely Thomas O Shea, Mahony, Tommy Walsh, Star, Paul Galvin would add to the squad. if only Darragh O Shea would play, would be a massive addition.

Same goes for the Aussies tbh. Can't see too many of the bigger guns playing.

Agus

Alany wrote: »

Why would it be scrapped ? just cause the auzzies won the last two series ? Ireland have every chance and now they they are taking moves to reduce the boxing matches then I dont see an issue. great sport imo... C'mon the paddies

Xavi6 wrote: »

Hmmmm do you really think so?

I watch these Aussie boys week in, week out and they are unbelievable athletes. Fitness and strength wise the Irish just don't match up. Plus the Aussies have the tackle down to a tee and know exactly how to pin the arms so the ball can't be released. The Irish don't have the benefit of that.

The only thing Ireland have going for them is the round ball imo.

So how come Australia have only won one more series, and have only the same number of match wins as Ireland? Did they just not always take it seriously enough or something?

Yavvy

I think you will find the advances and developemt of the professional auzzie over ther past 5 years to be a key factor there agus.

Agus

Alany wrote: »

I think you will find the advances and developemt of the professional auzzie over ther past 5 years to be a key factor there agus.

Surely it was a professional sport before that, so in what way have they advanced so much since 2003?

sslazio11

Agus wrote: »

Surely it was a professional sport before that, so in what way have they advanced so much since 2003?

Lads, for anyone who doesn't think the Irish are going to get the crap kicked out of them, I refer you to exhibit A:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1Pl-lrr-76M

There's a huge difference in terms of the tackle in either code. I realise that they're making efforts to tone it down, but wasn't that all the talk after 2005 (Exhibit ?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OIGREZw4Sr4

And what happened the following year (Exhibit C)?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6HhYYp9y1OA


Australia will win this series, and win it well. I hope I'm proven wrong, and that the game will be hard but fair, and a close contest, but I highly doubt it.

Xavi6

Ok to be fair, the bump to Clarke's head in exhibit A is not tolerated in AFL. A player will go on report for that and will be punished after the game, usually get a ban. If there was a sending off rule in the AFL I have no doubt it would be imposed that kind of case.

There's a tackle 2 mins and 7 secs in exhibit B and for me that is exactly the advantage the Aussies have over the Irish.

Both teams were as bad as each other in 2006. FWIW I don't think there was anything wrong with the tackle on Geraghty.

Agus

Surely it was a professional sport before that, so in what way have they advanced so much since 2003?

sslazio11 wrote: »

Lads, for anyone who doesn't think the Irish are going to get the crap kicked out of them, I refer you to exhibit A:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1Pl-lrr-76M

There's a huge difference in terms of the tackle in either code. I realise that they're making efforts to tone it down, but wasn't that all the talk after 2005 (Exhibit ?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OIGREZw4Sr4

And what happened the following year (Exhibit C)?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6HhYYp9y1OA


Australia will win this series, and win it well. I hope I'm proven wrong, and that the game will be hard but fair, and a close contest, but I highly doubt it.

Just to clarify; I never said the Irish were or weren't going to get the crap kicked out of them. I asked why the series is (or is felt to be) no longer so competitive given it has historically been close in terms of Australia having only won 1 more series and the same number of games as Ireland. It was suggested that this was because of "the advances and developemt of the professional auzzie over ther past 5 years", so then I asked why they were felt to have advanced so much over the past 5 years.

An Citeog

Agus wrote: »

Just to clarify; I never said the Irish were or weren't going to get the crap kicked out of them. I asked why the series is (or is felt to be) no longer so competitive given it has historically been close in terms of Australia having only won 1 more series and the same number of games as Ireland. It was suggested that this was because of "the advances and developemt of the professional auzzie over ther past 5 years", so then I asked why they were felt to have advanced so much over the past 5 years.

Mainly because they started taking it seriously. They've gotten used to the round ball aswell, which was always a major stumbling block for them. They're faster, fitter and stronger than their Irish counterparts and will destroy Ireland again in this series.

FWIW Xavi, I didn't see anything wrong with the tackle on Geraghty either. It was a hard but fair tackle and is akin to creaming some lad with a shoulder in gaelic football.

Tristram

Cant see the Irish winning. Hopefully they will prove me wrong. Would have thought the Australians are clearly the superior passers given that direct foot passes play such an important part of their game. Going on last time out I'd put Aussies as better athletes and better footballers. Maybe we can try convince a few of 'em to come play for nothing over here

estebancambias

i think its a joke these matches were put back on. we haven't a chance with their physicality.

The Gambler 101

Is the squad going to be announced today?

homerjay2005

estebancambias wrote: »

i think its a joke these matches were put back on. we haven't a chance with their physicality.

in all fairness, its about time we shut up moaning and got on with it. our lads are well able to look after themselves. these games were a massive success in Ireland with attendances and publicity and i expect the same in Aus.

yes there was thuggery, but that goes on in GAA too, except not in the public eye most of the time.

Xavi6

The Gambler 101 wrote: »

Is the squad going to be announced today?

Tomorrow

Royal Seahawk

From HoganStand.com


Tyrone, Kerry, Cork and Armagh supply over half of the 27-man Ireland squad named today by Sean Boylan to travel to Australia for this month’s International Rules Series.
The two All-Ireland finalists lead the way with four representatives each; with captain Sean Cavanagh joined by county team mates Joe McMahon, Justin McMahon and Enda McGinley. Kerry have Kieran Donaghy, Aidan O’Mahony, Tommy Walsh and Killian Young on board.

Next up with three players apiece are Cork and Armagh, while Galway, Meath and Dublin have two representatives each. The remainder of the squad is made up of players from Down, Derry, Laois, Mayo, Wexford, Westmeath and Wicklow.
Boylan has gone for a strong physical looking side with only a couple of players under the six foot mark.
There are some notable inclusions in Mayo’s Tom Parsons, who made his intercounty debut in this year’s championship and Wicklow’s Leighton Glynn, who is the first man from his county to represent Ireland since Kevin O’Brien in the 90’s.
Meath’s David Gallagher is the squad’s goalkeeper. A member of Boylan’s Dunboyne club, Gallagher plays outfield for his club and his last appearance for the county was at full back in NFL match against Galway in March 2006.
Irish International Rules squad: Seán Cavanagh (Tyrone), Graham Canty (Cork), David Gallagher (Meath), Colm Begley ( Brisbane Lions/Laois), Paddy Bradley (Derry), Bernard Brogan (Dublin), Benny Coulter (Down), Bryan Cullen (Dublin), Kieran Donaghy (Kerry), Leighton Glynn (Wicklow), Finian Hanley (Galway), John Keane (Westmeath), Aaron Kernan (Armagh), Ciarán Lyng (Wexford), Steven McDonnell (Armagh), Enda McGinley (Tyrone), Ciarán McKeever (Armagh), Joe McMahon (Tyrone), Justin McMahon (Tyrone), Michael Meehan (Galway), John Miskella (Cork), Aidan O’Mahony (Kerry), Pearse O’Neill (Cork), Tom Parsons (Mayo), Kevin Reilly (Meath), Tommy Walsh (Kerry), Killian Young (Kerry).
Standby: Aidan Carr (Down), Ronan Clarke (Armagh), Paul Finlay (Monaghan), Conor Gormley (Tyrone), Kevin McCloy (Derry), Martin McGrath (Fermanagh).
The county break-up is: Tyrone (4), Kerry (4), Cork (3), Armagh (3), Galway (2), Dublin (2), Meath (2), Down (1), Derry (1), Laois (1), Mayo (1), Wexford (1), Westmeath (1), Wicklow (1).

homerjay2005

look a decent squad, but lacking in height......and strength. there would be one or 2 more from kerry in there if the county championship wasnt so crazy at the minute.

Agus

Some rather surprising choices there, such as Gallagher, or Ronan Clarke only on standby.

Agus

Irish team
Seán Cavanagh (Tyrone), Graham Canty (Cork), David Gallagher (Meath), Colm Begley (Brisbane Lions/Laois), Paddy Bradley (Derry), Bernard Brogan (Dublin), Benny Coulter (Down), Bryan Cullen (Dublin), Kieran Donaghy (Kerry), Leighton Glynn (Wicklow), Finian Hanley (Galway), John Keane (Westmeath), Aaron Kernan (Armagh), Ciarán Lyng (Wexford), Steven McDonnell (Armagh), Enda McGinley (Tyrone), Ciarán McKeever (Armagh), Joe McMahon (Tyrone), Justin McMahon (Tyrone), Michael Meehan (Galway), John Miskella (Cork), Aidan O'Mahony (Kerry), Pearse O'Neill (Cork), Tom Parsons (Mayo), Kevin Reilly (Meath), Tommy Walsh (Kerry), Killian Young (Kerry).
Standby: Aidan Carr (Down), Ronan Clarke (Armagh), Paul Finlay (Monaghan), Conor Gormley (Tyrone), Kevin McCloy (Derry), Martin McGrath (Fermanagh).

Seán Boylan seems to have made some rather surprising choices.

smashey

Threads merged.

Xavi6

That Aussie squad looks suspiciously like the one from the last Rules series, especially seeing as Adam Schneider no longer plays for Sydney and Matthew Lappin is retired....... :rolleyes:

And the squad isn't being announced til tomorrow morning.

Royal Seahawk

Xavi6 wrote: »

And the squad isn't being announced til tomorrow morning.

The Irish Squad was announced today.

Xavi6

Royal Seahawk wrote: »

The Irish Squad was announced today.

I know. I was referring to the inaccurate Australian squad that was posted. The actual Aussie squad is being announced tomorrow morning.

Agus

Sorry about that, it was posted on another site as the Aus squad and I carelessly copied it! The Irish squad is correct though as can be seen here

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2008/1007/internationalrules.html?gaa

Frankie Lee

I don't want to be picking on players here but how did John Miskella make it ahead of the likes of Paul Galvin/ Ronan Clarke/ Kevin O'Neill/ Barry Cahill/ McCloskey/ Ger Spillane, I could go on forever naming superior footballers.

Orizio

John Miskella is an excellent gaelic footballer. Have yet to see him play a bad game for Cork. Quick, mobile, skillful...wheres the problem? The fact that you put the god awful Ger Spillane ahead of him says much.

No Cussen strikes me as vaguely odd though.

Xavi6

Squad: Nathan Bock (Adelaide), Matthew Boyd (Western Bulldogs), Jared Brennan (Brisbane), Campbell Brown (Hawthorn), Shaun Burgoyne (Port Adelaide), Matt Campbell (North Melbourne), Ryan Crowley (Fremantle), Michael Firrito (North Melbourne), Nathan Foley (Richmond), Brent Harvey (North Melbourne), Roger Hayden (Fremantle), Leigh Montagna (St Kilda), Daniel Motlop (Port Adelaide), Marc Murphy (Carlton), Michael Osborne (Hawthorn), Scott Pendlebury (Collingwood), Drew Petrie (North Melbourne), David Rodan (Port Adelaide), Max Rooke (Geelong), Brad Sewell (Hawthorn), Kade Simpson (Carlton), Adam Selwood (West Coast), Dale Thomas (Collingwood), Scott Thompson (Adelaide), Daniel Wells (North Melbourne).

:eek: That is one hell of a team!

Some serious footballers in there. Pendlebury, Wells, Burgoyne, Crowley and Sewell are going to run the legs off the Irish in the middle of the park.

Dale Thomas is one of probably the top 5 most exciting players in the league.

No real 'hard nuts' named but that team is going to be a really tough prospect for the Irish to face.