GH Anyone in the know?

Annabellsxxx

Hi guys,
I train very hard and 90% of the time i eat right , but still have some stuborn fat around the mid section that wont shift . I recently came across an article that suggested GH growthhormone may help ...
Any one know anyone who has been sucessful I am a female and Dont want to bulk up or anything just trying to get that stuborn bit that wont go .. I have tried everything from Slendertones, to cabbage soup diets i do a lot of abs, cardio and resistance training everything is looking good only for my mid section... Help!

smellslikeshoes

GH is not for you.

Annabellsxxx

No? Even try it fot a few weeks? get rid of it then try maintain it

smellslikeshoes

Annabellsxxx wrote: »

No? Even try it fot a few weeks? get rid of it then try maintain it

No, simply no. What you have in mind isn't what its used for, think professional bodybuilding. Look into you're diet, learning more about food and the way your body uses food will serve you much better.

Annabellsxxx

Thats the thing , I have a nutrition quailifaction. I do know abouts food stuf and getting the balance & I know you might say well if you have a deficit of calories you will loose weight or burn fat, sceintific fact , right? but my weight never budges despite what i do , seriously... I have been 10st 9 forever. I do it the correct foods... maybe i just need to cut out even more calories ... I train very hard also ...

Malteaser!

I think this question was answered pretty effectively by JJ6000 in his posts about this in that last thread, namely:

JJ6000 wrote:

Do you compete seriously in bodybuilding/powerlifting?
Have you trained intensely for at least 5-6 years?
Do you have around 350euro per month to spare....for at least 10 months?
Is your diet 100% spot on?

No? THen no need to even THINK about GH.

Seriously, whoever reccomended GH to you is a fool. Mentioning GH in the same post as a cabbage soup diet is ludicrous.

BTW, GH is no "short term fix". To see appreciable results, you're looking at at least 10 months on it & at least Eur3,500.

Good dieting = cheaper, healthier & just as/more effective.

and:

JJ6000 wrote:

Either way, drugs are not the type of thing you take for a "little help". if your looking to be merely relatively lean or strong or to look pretty good, then it should be attainable naturally. If your looking to go to a level above this (eg. competing at a high level), then "maybe", after many years of serious training and reaching a very high natural level, you could consider drugs. It's a serious decision that you need to go into for a very good reason (eg. being a competitive athlete) and that you need to be fully aware of/research ALL the facts prior to doing so. You should know EXACTLY what you are doing.

I have nothing against people using performance enhancing drugs....but it must be done wisely and for the right reasons.

So, in short, you should take it as a no.

Hanley

^Wise words^

God some of the questions recently have been outrageous.

smellslikeshoes

Annabellsxxx wrote: »

Thats the thing , I have a nutrition quailifaction. I do know abouts food stuf and getting the balance & I know you might say well if you have a deficit of calories you will loose weight or burn fat, sceintific fact , right? but my weight never budges despite what i do , seriously... I have been 10st 9 forever. I do it the correct foods... maybe i just need to cut out even more calories ... I train very hard also ...

Re-examine how many calories you are taking in and how many are going out. If you are not loosing weight you have the numbers wrong. If you have the numbers right and stick to them you will loose weight.

Annabellsxxx

Hanley wrote: »

^Wise words^

God some of the questions recently have been outrageous.

why what wrong with my question? I taugh it was a fairly normal question?

crotalus667

Hanley wrote: »

^Wise words^

God some of the questions recently have been outrageous.

+1


I have say that I would have serious doubts as to the validity of the “nutrition qualification” held by the op going on the fact that she has “been 10st 9 forever” and has tried the cabbage soup diet , I recall an article in a recent copy of Muscular Development that quoted a study that showed gh helped people stay relatively lean when bulking , I cant quote the science on it (not with out digging out the mag) but I think the main point is that the test subjects where more than likely hard core bodybuilders bulking , but the idea that someone would want to take it but “Dont want to bulk” is ludicrous , unless of course they are really old and are looking to help their ageing body’s even then when given in therapeutic doses it has still shown an increase in lean muscle mass :rolleyes:

amazingemmet

Your best bet is to get some blood work done and make sure all your hormones are in check first and foremost, if everything is ok then you need to evaluate your diet to see if everything is in order.

Also something I've noticed is every nutrionist I've had dealings with is overweight and not in shape. Might want to reconsider what they thought you on that degree of yours.

crotalus667

Annabellsxxx wrote: »

why what wrong with my question? I taugh it was a fairly normal question?

No no it's not a fairly normal question , any one that has done the slightest amount of researcher into gh would know that , ps gh user's have a tendency to get what's known as gh belly ie bloating of the adbomin

Malteaser!

OP, I'm just curious as to what you're diet and training plan is like at the moment.

Do you have any resistance training in your program?? Without it, you'll probably end up with a 'skinny fat' look which is what it sounds like you're describing!!

Edwardius

Want growth hormone for free?

Squat heavy three times a week, drink lots of milk, sleep 8-9 hours a night and cop on.

Not sure if it'll shift a belly though. Drop the carbs blah blah, healthy fats etc. etc. If you have 70 mins the following might be interesting:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4362041487661765149

BossArky

Does anyone else think the recent collection of off the wall threads are coming from a recently banned poster so that they can then chuckle away on their own site at this fitness forum?

Malteaser!

BossArky wrote: »

Does anyone else think the recent collection of off the wall threads are coming from a recently banned poster so that they can then chuckle away on their own site at this fitness forum?

I'm not gonna lie. I thought the very same thing.

Annabellsxxx

crotalus667 wrote: »

+1


I have say that I would have serious doubts as to the validity of the “nutrition qualification” held by the op going on the fact that she has “been 10st 9 forever” and has tried the cabbage soup diet , I recall an article in a recent copy of Muscular Development that quoted a study that showed gh helped people stay relatively lean when bulking , I cant quote the science on it (not with out digging out the mag) but I think the main point is that the test subjects where more than likely hard core bodybuilders bulking , but the idea that someone would want to take it but “Dont want to bulk” is ludicrous , unless of course they are really old and are looking to help their ageing body’s even then when given in therapeutic doses it has still shown an increase in lean muscle mass :rolleyes:

Look I wouldnt write it if it wasnt true , i am here seking advise. I am using the cabbage soup diet as a way to detox before i start on yet another healthy eating programme to help shift fat. and all i wrote was i had read somewhere in an article about people using GH as a means to rid fat and Increase muscle. As for my quailfication its a diploma and not a Degree its a quailifaction in the basic knowledge of nutrition i never claimed to be an expert. I know my stuf just saying that there are some people myself included that find it extremly hard to shift weight around the middle esp. women. I just taught that in my case GH might help, hence me writing in this forum. Maybe i should get a medical could be another reason... but i do know lots of girls can never shift that section not just me

Hanley

Annabellsxxx wrote: »

why what wrong with my question? I taugh it was a fairly normal question?

"Hi, I'm considering putting a synthetic compound into my body to fcuk with it's natural balance. I don't know what it does, or how it works, or how dangerous it is, but I'm prepard to spend thousands on it none the less. All because I can't stay consistent and figure out how to lose weight thru dieting. Is this a good idea?"

That's esentially the question that you're asking. You said you've "nutrition qualification", but I don't know any competent nutritionist (ie one that has got positive results in the LONG TERM with people) who would recommend it.

Dieting REALLY isn't that hard at all. It's a pretty simple proposition to be honest. It's not easy tho.

My simple blanket recommendation that I've yet to see fail is;
-12-13 kcal per lb of bodyweight**, split it up 40% protein, 30% carbs, 30% fat, evenly split thru 5 or 6 small meals per day
-Train with weights 3-4x a week hitting the big compound movements
-Maybe add in 30mins of cardio2-3x a week if the weight's not coming off

**More accurately, establish your maintenance kcal levels and multiply it by 0.85, use this as your kcal allowance.

That's it, dieting in 4 lines. So simple. The hard part is actually sticking to it, putting the work in to make sure you're eating the right amount of calories, not missing or skipping meals and NOT kidding yourself when it comes to what you eat or your portion size.

I guarantee if you can stick to the above for the next 8 weeks you WILL lose weight. It's simply not possible to fail if you can be dedicated and do the above.

Hanley

Malteaser! wrote: »

I'm not gonna lie. I thought the very same thing.

Aye... I was thinking the same. My headache's back btw!! :D:D:D

Annabellsxxx

Hanley wrote: »

"Hi, I'm considering putting a synthetic compound into my body to fcuk with it's natural balance. I don't know what it does, or how it works, or how dangerous it is, but I'm prepard to spend thousands on it none the less. All because I can't stay consistent and figure out how to lose weight thru dieting. Is this a good idea?"

That's esentially the question that you're asking. You said you've "nutrition qualification", but I don't know any competent nutritionist (ie one that has got positive results in the LONG TERM with people) who would recommend it.

Dieting REALLY isn't that hard at all. It's a pretty simple proposition to be honest. It's not easy tho.

My simple blanket recommendation that I've yet to see fail is;
-12-13 kcal per lb of bodyweight**, split it up 40% protein, 30% carbs, 30% fat, evenly split thru 5 or 6 small meals per day
-Train with weights 3-4x a week hitting the big compound movements
-Maybe add in 30mins of cardio2-3x a week if the weight's not coming off

**More accurately, establish your maintenance kcal levels and multiply it by 0.85, use this as your kcal allowance.

That's it, dieting in 4 lines. So simple. The hard part is actually sticking to it, putting the work in to make sure you're eating the right amount of calories, not missing or skipping meals and NOT kidding yourself when it comes to what you eat or your portion size.

I guarantee if you can stick to the above for the next 8 weeks you WILL lose weight. It's simply not possible to fail if you can be dedicated and do the above.

Theres no need to get smart ... I am here just mooching around for veiws i never claimed to be a nutritionist firstly, i said i have a quailifaction .. And my training is consistent and i have a good diet. thanks for the rest of your advise ...

Annabellsxxx

BossArky wrote: »

Does anyone else think the recent collection of off the wall threads are coming from a recently banned poster so that they can then chuckle away on their own site at this fitness forum?

Take that as a dig at my question?

Malteaser!

Annabellsxxx wrote: »

Theres no need to get smart ... I am here just mooching around for veiws i never claimed to be a nutritionist firstly, i said i have a quailifaction .. And my training is consistent and i have a good diet. thanks for the rest of your advise ...

What's the difference??

Hanley

Annabellsxxx wrote: »

Theres no need to get smart ... I am here just mooching around for veiws i never claimed to be a nutritionist firstly, i said i have a quailifaction .. And my training is consistent and i have a good diet. thanks for the rest of your advise ...

The reason people have trouble shifting fat is quite often because it requires ALOT more work than people are prepared to put in.

Your training is consistent, but it doesn't mean that's it what you need to be doing unfortunately. Same goes with your diet... You're obviously very dedicated. I wouldn't have wasted my time offering suggestions if I didn't think you had what it takes to benefit from it.

Annabellsxxx

Malteaser! wrote: »

What's the difference??

The difference is a nutritionist is a claim at someones occupation
I have a quailifaction im not a practising nutritionist. I took the diploma out of interest

BossArky

Annabellsxxx wrote: »

Take that as a dig at my question?

Forgive me for being skeptical. If you are genuine then good luck....

Size=everything

OP firstly its doubtful you will find any legit GH. Secondly if you do and remember its highly unlikely it will cost you thousands per month. Thirdly you risk the growth of your intestines which will make your stomach look even bigger (google GH gut)

its not worth it unless you are seriously competing even then I would advise against it because of the risk of GH gut

Annabellsxxx

Size=everything wrote: »

OP firstly its doubtful you will find any legit GH. Secondly if you do and remember its highly unlikely it will cost you thousands per month. Thirdly you risk the growth of your intestines which will make your stomach look even bigger (google GH gut)

its not worth it unless you are seriously competing even then I would advise against it because of the risk of GH gut

It was just an idea , of which iv had many . Il just have to keep training or get lipo! think il stick to the training tho, better fun

Malteaser!

Annabellsxxx wrote: »

It was just an idea , of which iv had many . Il just have to keep training or get lipo! think il stick to the training tho, better fun

Unless you're grossly obese (which you are not), you do not need lipo!

Annabellsxxx

Malteaser! wrote: »

Unless you're grossly obese (which you are not), you do not need lipo!

Ah i wouldnt rule it out totally , a lot of people get it done now they just dont fes up and announce it theyd like people to think they lost it themselfs. many are traveling to hungry or other similar countries for cheaper surgery. There is even a surgery now that involves muscle tightening... Not getting it done im just interested in changes in health, beauty, fitness industry

Malteaser!

Annabellsxxx wrote: »

Ah i wouldnt rule it out totally , a lot of people get it done now they just dont fes up and announce it theyd like people to think they lost it themselfs. many are traveling to hungry or other similar countries for cheaper surgery. There is even a surgery now that involves muscle tightening... Not getting it done im just interested in changes in health, beauty, fitness industry

But you don't need it. I don't understand why you're looking to all these expensive quick-fixes when the answer is right there in front of you.

Change your diet and your training program!

Hanley

Malteaser! wrote: »

But you don't need it. I don't understand why you're looking to all these expensive quick-fixes when the answer is right there in front of you.

Change your diet and your training program!

And if you do go ahead and get lipo and not change any of that you're just gonna end up right back where you are now. I know you'll say you're gonna make hte change, but you're not. If you can't do it now and commit to it, nothing will change after the unnecessary surgery. Which certainly isn't a fitness issue by the way.

JJ6000

I find it hard to understand why you are asking this question again.

You are not a serious athlete....you do not need drugs

Hanley has given you good dietary advice so I would urge you to follow that. Maybe read some of John Berardi's articles on the web. He is a decent nutritionist.

you are not a serious athlete.....drugs are not for you. your goals are attainable naturally.

GH is incredibly expensive....prohibitively so for most.
A light dose of 2IU per day will set you back at least Eur350 per month.
You will need to stay on for at least 9 months for real effects to manifest themselves and even then, the results will be "reasonable" at best.
THe risk of fakes is VERY high (particularly at the moment....for various reasons which will not be dicussed here) so all your money could go down the toilet.

Bodybuilders other athletes use a host of other drugs (insulin, IGF-1, steroids, MGF, metformin etc etc) to amplify the effects of GH. Most would agree that GH alone will do very little...many notice NOTHING.

Best case scenario = you spend thousands...are lucky enough not to get fakes and in the end, you get moderate results.

There are other risks also. Numbness in limbs is relatively common. Acromegaly is a possiblity(although a low risk with lower doses and it is a condition you have to be predisposed to). Although GH gut (growth of intestines) is unlikely at lower doses & from GH alone, it is still possible.
There are also theoretical cancer risks...although these appear to be unproven as of yet. If you have a family history of cancer however, it would be very foolish to take GH.
These are to name but a few.

I appreciate the fact that you have a nutrition qualification but you have a lot to learn about nutrition. It would seem quite possible that you are simply eating too little.

I really cant understand why you even started this thread after what I told you in the other one.

your statement that 'you just cant shift that bit of fat', sounds just like the comments I hear from uneducated newbies and people who are unwilling to put the work in all the time. Not saying that's what you are....but like them, you are asking us about quick fixes and miracle supplements (drugs, in your case) before you even asked us a substantive question about nutrition!! See where we are coming from?????!!!

Learn more about nutrition and training, run questions by this forum, put it onto practice and be patient.
Get the idea of drugs out of your head. I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but for someone like you it is just ridiculous and very very immature of you to be even thinking of it.

Mickk

Do it
http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/beauty/article3663145.ece

JJ6000

oh yes, and one more thing.

using anything other than injectable rHGH is akin to burning your money.

There has yet to be a convincing and independant study to say that GH works in any form other than injectable.

Pills, creams, sprays etc are quite likely to be absolutley worthless. They are marketing scams and nothing more. I notice that article states that the manufacturer noticed a 100% improvement in skin condition from the HGH cream. 100%!!!???? HA!! Dont make me laugh. Classic marketing claims.

Annabellsxxx

JJ6000 wrote: »

I find it hard to understand why you are asking this question again.

You are not a serious athlete....you do not need drugs

Hanley has given you good dietary advice so I would urge you to follow that. Maybe read some of John Berardi's articles on the web. He is a decent nutritionist.

you are not a serious athlete.....drugs are not for you. your goals are attainable naturally.

GH is incredibly expensive....prohibitively so for most.
A light dose of 2IU per day will set you back at least Eur350 per month.
You will need to stay on for at least 9 months for real effects to manifest themselves and even then, the results will be "reasonable" at best.
THe risk of fakes is VERY high (particularly at the moment....for various reasons which will not be dicussed here) so all your money could go down the toilet.

Bodybuilders other athletes use a host of other drugs (insulin, IGF-1, steroids, MGF, metformin etc etc) to amplify the effects of GH. Most would agree that GH alone will do very little...many notice NOTHING.

Best case scenario = you spend thousands...are lucky enough not to get fakes and in the end, you get moderate results.

There are other risks also. Numbness in limbs is relatively common. Acromegaly is a possiblity(although a low risk with lower doses and it is a condition you have to be predisposed to). Although GH gut (growth of intestines) is unlikely at lower doses & from GH alone, it is still possible.
There are also theoretical cancer risks...although these appear to be unproven as of yet. If you have a family history of cancer however, it would be very foolish to take GH.
These are to name but a few.

I appreciate the fact that you have a nutrition qualification but you have a lot to learn about nutrition. It would seem quite possible that you are simply eating too little.

I really cant understand why you even started this thread after what I told you in the other one.

your statement that 'you just cant shift that bit of fat', sounds just like the comments I hear from uneducated newbies and people who are unwilling to put the work in all the time. Not saying that's what you are....but like them, you are asking us about quick fixes and miracle supplements (drugs, in your case) before you even asked us a substantive question about nutrition!! See where we are coming from?????!!!

Learn more about nutrition and training, run questions by this forum, put it onto practice and be patient.
Get the idea of drugs out of your head. I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but for someone like you it is just ridiculous and very very immature of you to be even thinking of it.

Right i never said i was going to invest thousands in anything I was just looking for some advise or comments.... That I have found.
I thank you for taking the time to harshly reply . No need to slate me ..

Annabellsxxx

Annabellsxxx wrote: »

Right i never said i was going to invest thousands in anything I was just looking for some advise or comments.... That I have found.
I thank you for taking the time to harshly reply . No need to slate me ..

And i asked the two questions at the same time . . . just trying to get some replys . . wasnt "asking again".

Hanley

Annabellsxxx wrote: »

Right i never said i was going to invest thousands in anything I was just looking for some advise or comments.... That I have found.
I thank you for taking the time to harshly reply . No need to slate me ..

By asking whether or not to take GH you're asking whether or not to spend thousands.

Typhoon.

I think Annabell has made up her mind now its not a good idea

stick to the hard work and disciplined diet like the lads suggested and please god you'll get the results your after

Best of luck with it anyway..i hope you achieve them...and be proud of yourself for doing it the hard way

Hang in there....;)

Annabellsxxx

Typhoon. wrote: »

I think Annabell has made up her mind now its not a good idea

stick to the hard work and disciplined diet like the lads suggested and please god you'll get the results your after

Best of luck with it anyway..i hope you achieve them...and be proud of yourself for doing it the hard way

Hang in there....;)

I will thank you. Have to just keep at it , Iv come to the conclusion also that although i train quite hard i need to take it up another notch push myself a little more as well ... is the changelle thing i read about in another post still going or has it finished ?

Malteaser!

Annabellsxxx wrote: »

I will thank you. Have to just keep at it , Iv come to the conclusion also that although i train quite hard i need to take it up another notch push myself a little more as well ... is the changelle thing i read about in another post still going or has it finished ?

It's still going strong! There is no finish date on it afaik!

Tbh, as I've said before, your best bet is going to be change your diet and your training plan.

I know you posted in another thread about what program you're doing at the minute but could you be more specific about what it actually entails, what weights you're doing for example. I have a feeling that your current regime isn't really helping you in achieving the look you're after!!

Hanley

Annabellsxxx wrote: »

I will thank you. Have to just keep at it , Iv come to the conclusion also that although i train quite hard i need to take it up another notch push myself a little more as well ... is the changelle thing i read about in another post still going or has it finished ?

Like Malteaser said, change your training and diet, keep the smae level of motivation (seems to be pretty high!) and the results will come.

JJ6000

Annabellsxxx wrote: »

Right i never said i was going to invest thousands in anything I was just looking for some advise or comments.... That I have found.
I thank you for taking the time to harshly reply . No need to slate me ..

...and advice and comments is what you got.

Strong wording was apparently necessary since despite being advised not to do make a very foolish decision in the early posts, you still appeared to be considering it.
Not our fault if you dont like the honest answers.

either way, your decision is wise. Giv the GH a miss and focus on diet & training.

THe good thing is, you obviously hae quite a bit of discipline since you train hard and although your dietary choices are not great, you DO have the discipline to follow a regimen. So, fixing up your diet and training should be no prob for you and you should reap the benefits.

Enjoy and best of luck.

g'em

Annabellsxxx wrote:

Right i never said i was going to invest thousands in anything I was just looking for some advise or comments.... That I have found.
I thank you for taking the time to harshly reply . No need to slate me ..

Drop the attitude. It wasn't harsh, it was a well worded, well thought out intelligent response to, quite frankly, a dumb question.

You come onto an internet forum board having done absolutely zero research bar some passing reference to 'reading an article' in a newspaper looking for advise about taking an illegal drug? Grow up child.

We make a conscious effort in the forum to allow and even encourage the civil discussion of drugs in sport because whether we like it or not they're there. We are neither condoning nor condemning them and whether or not a person is using is their own business, but the assumption is made that if you're going to go down that route you have done so in an informed way having done extensive research into what you're getting yourself into. That research will look at ALL aspects of taking a banned substance - it's effects, the risks, the cost, the preparation, the training, and the diet. From what I can see you have looked at none of these things.

Asking random people on the interweb if they're "in the know" does not solid research make.

You claim to work hard and eat well but you also claim to be using the Cabbage Diet as a "detox plan". There's flashing neon sign #1 that you have less than no clue what you're doing. And you also admit that if you don't get the results you want from training you'll resort to using surgery as an alternative quick fix. That would be the 10ft high flashing sign with sound effects #2 that your so-called nutritional qualification is a pretty piece of paper that would be better served being used to light kindling.

You wrote a training diary for 8 weeks and didn't get the results you wanted. Boo-frickin'-hoo. Bodies beautiful like the ones you've described come from a lot more than two months' worth of training and dieting, they come from months and years of hard work and dedication. But everyone has to start somewhere, so if you drop the attitude and the quick-fix mentality that kind of body could be yours too, if you're willing to put in the hours.

You put up a very, very vague outline of what your training is composed of and even less information about what is in your diet. If you were to detail these better I can virtually guarantee you that the posters here would be able to provide simple changes that you could implement that would radically change your body composition without having to resort to GH.

And if you think this is harsh... meh.

Annabellsxxx

g'em wrote: »

Drop the attitude. It wasn't harsh, it was a well worded, well thought out intelligent response to, quite frankly, a dumb question.

You come onto an internet forum board having done absolutely zero research bar some passing reference to 'reading an article' in a newspaper looking for advise about taking an illegal drug? Grow up child.

We make a conscious effort in the forum to allow and even encourage the civil discussion of drugs in sport because whether we like it or not they're there. We are neither condoning nor condemning them and whether or not a person is using is their own business, but the assumption is made that if you're going to go down that route you have done so in an informed way having done extensive research into what you're getting yourself into. That research will look at ALL aspects of taking a banned substance - it's effects, the risks, the cost, the preparation, the training, and the diet. From what I can see you have looked at none of these things.

Asking random people on the interweb if they're "in the know" does not solid research make.

You claim to work hard and eat well but you also claim to be using the Cabbage Diet as a "detox plan". There's flashing neon sign #1 that you have less than no clue what you're doing. And you also admit that if you don't get the results you want from training you'll resort to using surgery as an alternative quick fix. That would be the 10ft high flashing sign with sound effects #2 that your so-called nutritional qualification is a pretty piece of paper that would be better served being used to light kindling.

You wrote a training diary for 8 weeks and didn't get the results you wanted. Boo-frickin'-hoo. Bodies beautiful like the ones you've described come from a lot more than two months' worth of training and dieting, they come from months and years of hard work and dedication. But everyone has to start somewhere, so if you drop the attitude and the quick-fix mentality that kind of body could be yours too, if you're willing to put in the hours.

You put up a very, very vague outline of what your training is composed of and even less information about what is in your diet. If you were to detail these better I can virtually guarantee you that the posters here would be able to provide simple changes that you could implement that would radically change your body composition without having to resort to GH.

And if you think this is harsh... meh.

Yes I do think your reply was a little harsh to be honest , I think firstly you took my way way way up wrong on what i had said. I am training a very long time not just 3 months , i would have looked into every angle about GH had i have gone on to consider using it (which I havnt) but I had to start looking into it somewhere why not a fitness forum seeing as a lot of people use supplements, hormones and steroids in there training. It was simply a valid question. That said I do appricate your and everyones advise sometimes if people are outwardly blunt its much better. I know I have certainly listened to all that you guys have said and would not use a growth hormone to aid me in training and know that il just have to take it up a step. As for the cabbage soup diet and Fad diets. Well many over the years I , like many many other people have tried a few. I am not looking for a quick fix with this diet only personaly I find it a good way to detox and step into a new eating regime. Its like a kick start. Its not a bad or unhealthy choice as long as its not long term , 7 days exactly.

g'em

It's not easy to take harsh criticism, but fair play you're being very open and level-headed and that's cool, so good on you.

Seriously, it's entirely possible to get a super-flat tummy without resorting to drugs or surgery, even for those of us who are prone to carry more bodyfat than we'd like. I've done it myself but it takes a lot of hard work. Six-packs aren't all they're cracked up to be

My advice, fwiw, is to start a new thread and detail your current height, weight, age and daily eating habits and an outline of your training (when you say you do weights, what kind of weight - exercise, sets, reps) and I'm sure there'll be some changes that can be pointed out.

Roper

G'em I'd ban you for all that if I was moderator ^

g'em

Roper wrote: »

G'em I'd ban you for all that if I was moderator ^

lol, stirring much?

If you want to expand, please do, but keep it civil. Even better, take it to PM and don't de-rail the thread. Although I can't really see much of a future for it anyway...