Non-VRT'd cars seizure N11

cbyrne

apparently major Gardai/Customs operation on N11 ourside Jack Whites today. seizing cars which haven't their VRT paid. No excuses - cars being taken there and then,onto truck and impounded..:eek: be warned!

drunkmonkey

somone should report the revenue to the gardai...nothing short of theft, the VRT has already been paid in the country of origin....Theft, theft, theft!!!

furtzy

Following on my thread on similar seizures at Ballymun this now seems to be part of a major initiative........about time

mondeo

I'm THRILLED their taking them of the road, I'm bored looking at southern ireland drivers driving northern reg's here as their everyday car.
Too many their everywhere, somthing had to be done about it.

Gary ITR

Neighbour of mine had her car taken from the car park this week. She's driving around in it close to a year now. If you can't afford the vrt, then spend a couple of k less when importing a car

drunkmonkey

furtzy wrote: »

about time

Are you for real, do you support this double taxation?

You obviously have an ulterior motive as no consumer in there right mind would think it's a fair and just tax...The EU certainly dosen't......:mad:

copacetic

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Are you for real, do you support this double taxation?

You obviously have an ulterior motive as no consumer in there right mind would think it's a fair and just tax...The EU certainly dosen't......:mad:

He didn't say it was 'fair'. what makes you think you can have one law for yourself and a different law for the rest of us? Until the law is changed I expect people to abide by it.

About time is right.

drunkmonkey

mondeo wrote: »

I'm THRILLED their taking them of the road, I'm bored looking at southern ireland drivers driving northern reg's here as their everyday car.
Too many their everywhere, somthing had to be done about it.

cough, cough, good to see the old irish disease is still alive and well.....cough, cough, Begrudgery

drunkmonkey

copacetic wrote: »

Until the law is changed I expect people to abide by it.

Fachtna, will you ever stop smoking those Jamaican Woodbines.........this power trip is getting a little out of hand:D

mike65

drunkmonkey you are paining my brain.

Mike.

Sandwich

drunkmonkey wrote: »

cough, cough, good to see the old irish disease is still alive and well.....cough, cough, Begrudgery

.......cough, cough... shame to see civilisation hasn't fully taken hold in Ireland yet......cough...."if you get away with breaking the law, then fair play to you" attitude still to be found in some parts...cough...;)

peasant

mike65 wrote: »

drunkmonkey you are paining my brain.

Mike.

mine too ...tone it down and stop flogging a dead horse. (law = law)

markos79

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Are you for real, do you support this double taxation?

You obviously have an ulterior motive as no consumer in there right mind would think it's a fair and just tax...The EU certainly dosen't......:mad:

its simple if you cant pay the vrt dont buy the car!!!!

i myself brought a car into ireland from england and paid the vrt the next day,why should these people get away with not paying? its not fair on the rest of us that actually pay vrt.

these people should be buying cars of less value so that they can afford to pay the vrt,instead they are driving the cars around for a while and then they sell the car to some poor f**ker that then has to cough up the vrt!!

im delighted they are impounding these cars,they should of been doing it from day 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tipsy Mac

I presume the non UK reg cars owned by fellow European workers in this country which display neither tax nor insurance disc from their country of origin were all waved on by our revenue lads :mad:

keefg

Are the cops just targeting UK & North cars does anyone know?

There seems to be a increase in Polish/Latvian/Lithuanin etc cars driving around.....are these guys not also liable for VRT?

peasant

Tipsy Mac wrote: »

I presume the non UK reg cars owned by fellow European workers in this country which display neither tax nor insurance disc from their country of origin were all waved on by our revenue lads :mad:

just for your info:

The system of tax and insurance "disks" does not exist in those countries ...so there is nothing to display.

drunkmonkey

keefg wrote: »

Are the cops just targeting UK & North cars does anyone know?

There seems to be a increase in Polish/Latvian/Lithuanin etc cars driving around.....are these guys not also liable for VRT?

No foreign drivers importing there personal car to Ireland are VRT exempt if they can prove the've being using the car for 6mts or more in there home country....

On a side note.....this post was back in 2002, pity the motorists lobby wouldn't gather together and finally push the government into scrapping the tax.....instead the price of vrt goes up if you want to import a nice car after the 1st of July....

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=64549

keefg

drunkmonkey wrote: »

No foreign drivers importing there personal car to Ireland are VRT exempt if they can prove the've being using the car for 6mts or more in there home country....

Ahh yes, I forgot about that exemption.

blackiebest

Well I f**kin wish they would come to Sligo where Kian Egan (him of westlife) is still driving his porsche cayenne *puke* on british plates, he has been for years now and that he has not paid for vrt is outrageous, considering his income! Not sure if he has yet taxed or bothered to display insurance on his Mini convertible yet either. Seriously this guy has had this porsche here on UK plates for at least 2.5 years.

drunkmonkey

cough, cough, i won't say it.....:D

tdc

FFS, it's a ridiculous law. Why should we be banned from driving foreign reg cars when other EU countries don't have a problem with it? What makes Ireland so special that we have to pay 20-40% extra for a car to get the irish plates otherwise it get's taken off us?

Greed at the end of the day and nothing but typical Irish begrudgery to those that think "about time".

mikemac

blackiebest wrote: »

Well I f**kin wish they would come to Sligo where Kian Egan (him of westlife) is still driving his porsche cayenne *puke* on british plates, he has been for years now and that he has not paid for vrt is outrageous, considering his income! Not sure if he has yet taxed or bothered to display insurance on his Mini convertible yet either. Seriously this guy has had this porsche here on UK plates for at least 2.5 years.

Call up the "Irish" Daily Mail. They love stories that outrage people.
Hey, maybe they'll pay you for it

ambro25

drunkmonkey wrote: »

No foreign drivers importing there personal car to Ireland are VRT exempt if they can prove the've being using the car for 6mts or more in there home country....

But they're not exempt from having to put their car on IE plates, NCT & tax it, if they're over more than 6 months

murphaph

tdc wrote: »

FFS, it's a ridiculous law. Why should we be banned from driving foreign reg cars when other EU countries don't have a problem with it? What makes Ireland so special that we have to pay 20-40% extra for a car to get the irish plates otherwise it get's taken off us?

Greed at the end of the day and nothing but typical Irish begrudgery to those that think "about time".

Other countries do "have a problem with it". Germany rigorously enforces registration of foreign vehicles and it's a much more stringent process....vehicle must pass their equivalent of the NCT before anything else. It is right and proper that people living here have their vehicles registered here. The fact the VRT itself is imposed is another matter. By the way, VRT is a tax on a luxury item (a car is luxury guys) and I prefer VRT on cars to VAT on life's daily essentials. The tax shortfall would have to be made up elsewhere if VRT was scrapped.

daisychain

Just supposing a motorist driving a car with an English reg was stopped on their way to the VRO to pay the VRT (honestly!) - would "they" buy the story or still confiscate the car?

I have an English reg car that I'm not driving so it won't be on the road til July 1st but if I'm driving to the VRO on that day, the insurance disc will state that it's been insured on an Irish policy since May 2008

markos79

i suppose if you had all the paperwork with you and the cheque there wouldnt be a problem.

drunkmonkey

Just wait until it's raining to drive to the Vro...

you'll never meet a garda in the rain and the tax man would probably turn into a pile of salt:p

finbarrk

Maybe the clampdowns are because of the lads who have imported diesels recently and are waiting until after July 1st to pay the VRT when it will be almost 50% less on some cars.

Gary ITR

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Are you for real, do you support this double taxation?

You obviously have an ulterior motive as no consumer in there right mind would think it's a fair and just tax...The EU certainly dosen't......:mad:

Wether anybody supports it or not isn't the point. Point is I've paid my VRT and these people haven't. Comments like yours make you [EDIT]...[/EDIT]

Edit: Comments like yours will result in a ban next time!

cbyrne

daisychain wrote: »

Just supposing a motorist driving a car with an English reg was stopped on their way to the VRO to pay the VRT (honestly!) - would "they" buy the story or still confiscate the car?

I have an English reg car that I'm not driving so it won't be on the road til July 1st but if I'm driving to the VRO on that day, the insurance disc will state that it's been insured on an Irish policy since May 2008

From what I heard this was a zero tolerance checkpoint, no excuses were taken and they seized quite a number of vehicles. I'd say unless you had a ferry ticket from within the last 24hrs at this checkpoint you'd not have had much luck, moral of story good times are over for those on UK plates, serious risk of fines and seizure if you don't pay up now.

Steve

This has been discussed over and over and over and over - it always decends into chaos and has to be locked.
The outcome always is:

Faction A:"I won't pay VRT because its unfair and I'm a rebel"
Faction B:"That's illegal and it just pushes up the tax for everyone else and I'm a sheep cos I abide by the law"

And never the twain shall meet

The FACTS are:

1. You have to pay VRT when you import a car whether you drive it or not.

2. Even if you bring the car in on a trailer and bury it in a hole, you still have to pay VRT.

3. You can take a chance and drive it for a few months or a year but don't come whinging if they take it off you and hit you with a 20% penalty (or whatever it is).

4. Historically, this was easy to get away with but recent reports are that the Guards and Customs are actually enforcing it and confiscating cars.

5. Before anyone asks again, yes they are legally entitled to do it - look up the finance act 19** (www.irishstatutebook.ie), I really couldn't be arsed looking it up yet again. (tonight anyway)

6. Sorry for ranting.

MSporty

They should be going harder after all those Eastern European skangermobiles, these guys are working over here and driving their own cars from home. Its a f**king joke

meathstevie

According to the taxman VRT is due at the latest the next working day after landing the car. For our continental pals the VRT is non-existant if the car has been in their possesion for at least six months prior, even if it's VRT liable it should be a pittance since they nearly all have LHD which should seriously reduce the market value.

Johnny Utah

MSporty wrote: »

They should be going harder after all those Eastern European skangermobiles, these guys are working over here and driving their own cars from home. Its a f**king joke

+1

One law for them, and one law for us.:mad:

DonJose

drunkmonkey wrote: »

No foreign drivers importing there personal car to Ireland are VRT exempt if they can prove the've being using the car for 6mts or more in there home country....

But if they are living and working in Ireland and using our roads, shouldn't they pay Irish road tax and Irish insurance rates like the rest of the motorists?

Steve

Johnny Utah wrote: »

+1

One law for them, and one law for us.:mad:

Not really, if you emigrate and bring your Irish car over 'there' then you are entitled to the same relief.

MSporty

stevec wrote: »

Not really, if you emigrate and bring your Irish car over 'there' then you are entitled to the same relief.

Do we get our VRT money back then?

Steve

DonJose wrote: »

But if they are living and working in Ireland and using our roads, shouldn't they pay Irish road tax and Irish insurance rates like the rest of the motorists?

Like the rest of us they must have insurance. They have 6 months grace to drive 'as is' before they succumb to the money hole that is Irish motoring taxation. After that, they are fair game for the cops.

TheDriver

Pure Irish, if the Poles seem to get away with their cars, then we should too if we have uk plates. Law is law and paying vrt to UK doesn't pay for our roads. Its like the billion euro spend in New York every Christmas and then everyone complains when our Govt doesn't have money for schools and roads because other governments have made it out of our money.

drunkmonkey

Onkle wrote: »

Wether anybody supports it or not isn't the point. Point is I've paid my VRT and these people haven't. Comments like yours make you [EDIT]...[/EDIT]

Edit: Comments like yours will result in a ban next time!

It's lucky you got to him before i did, it wasn't going to be pretty!!:D

Your card is marked Onkel, i'll kick your ass the next time:p

Steve

MSporty wrote: »

Do we get our VRT money back then?

Course not, nobody said taxation was fair - I certainly didn't vote for that:mad:

Steve

TheDriver wrote: »

Law is law and paying vrt to UK doesn't pay for our roads.

You lost me there

Capital Slow

MSporty wrote: »

Do we get our VRT money back then?

Nop! Their government did not charge you VRT in the first place. You don't get anything back from them.

As here, you have owned and enjoyed the luxury of that item, there is nothing to claim back.

peasant

stevec wrote: »

Like the rest of us they must have insurance. They have 6 months grace to drive 'as is' before they succumb to the money hole that is Irish motoring taxation. After that, they are fair game for the cops.

Actually the law is a bit vague here.

Theoretically "they" have to re-register their cars here 24 hours after arrival, minus the VRT issue if the had the car for more than 6 months prior.

But ...there are several exemptions, mainly to do with residency. Only Irish residents have to re-register immediatedly, others like visitors, employees on short term contracts and students are given varying grace periods.

Most of "them" that come here initially do not fall into the "resident" category but are exempt one way or another (ussually only on temp contracts) and it is a very grey area at what point they actually are considered resident. (You could hangle yourself from one temp employment to the next for years for example) ...in short ..it is a minefield that neither "they" nor the guard at the roadside understand properly.

Add to that the fact that most Irish guards would not be able to understand foreign insurance and tax documents (and therefore couldn't be arsed to check them properly) and you will begin to understand how "they" get away with driving on foreign plates for so long in some cases.

The blame here clearly lies with vague legislation and total lack of enforcement (but how do you enforce something that is so vague ?)

Devil's Fuel

cbyrne wrote: »

From what I heard this was a zero tolerance checkpoint, no excuses were taken and they seized quite a number of vehicles. I'd say unless you had a ferry ticket from within the last 24hrs at this checkpoint you'd not have had much luck, moral of story good times are over for those on UK plates, serious risk of fines and seizure if you don't pay up now.

So what then if your from the North , do they take your legit vehile off you too! How are they supposed to prove that your not from Northern Ireland or the UK?

testicle

Devil's Fuel wrote: »

So what then if your from the North , do they take your legit vehile off you too! How are they supposed to prove that your not from Northern Ireland or the UK?

That's up to you to prove to the Customs & Excise.

waxon-waxoff

Its amazing that some of these foreign reg cars made it across Europe to get here. The average eastern european car is 10 years old at least. Id be just as worried about the lack of an NCT as VRT. Some of these cars are not fit to be on the road

Steve

peasant wrote: »

Actually the law is a bit vague here.

Theoretically "they" have to re-register their cars here 24 hours after arrival, minus the VRT issue if the had the car for more than 6 months prior.

It this were true then anyone on a day trip from the UK would have to do the same.

peasant wrote: »

But ...there are several exemptions, mainly to do with residency. Only Irish residents have to re-register immediatedly, others like visitors, employees on short term contracts and students are given varying grace periods.

Yes, the law is (IMO) unfairly biased against Irish residents

peasant wrote: »

Most of "them" that come here initially do not fall into the "resident" category but are exempt one way or another (ussually only on temp contracts) and it is a very grey area at what point they actually are considered resident. (You could hangle yourself from one temp employment to the next for years for example) ...in short ..it is a minefield that neither "they" nor the guard at the roadside understand properly.

Fair point, if the same applied to you bringing your car to the UK or Poland would you complain?

peasant wrote: »

Add to that the fact that most Irish guards would not be able to understand foreign insurance and tax documents (and therefore couldn't be arsed to check them properly) and you will begin to understand how "they" get away with driving on foreign plates for so long in some cases.

The blame here clearly lies with vague legislation and total lack of enforcement (but how do you enforce something that is so vague ?)

Dont get me started....:mad:....:D....:confused:

astraboy

murphaph wrote: »

Other countries do "have a problem with it". Germany rigorously enforces registration of foreign vehicles and it's a much more stringent process....vehicle must pass their equivalent of the NCT before anything else. It is right and proper that people living here have their vehicles registered here. The fact the VRT itself is imposed is another matter. By the way, VRT is a tax on a luxury item (a car is luxury guys) and I prefer VRT on cars to VAT on life's daily essentials. The tax shortfall would have to be made up elsewhere if VRT was scrapped.

Bollix. Try getting from A to B anywhere in Ireland outside dublin without a car. A car is a necessity for most people, not a luxury. Cop on.

ZygOte

slightly OT
but afaik the EU has stated that VRT in ireland is double taxation and therefore illegal (i think), if the Irish government ever pulls its head out of its ass and accepts this would they be legally obliged to return all VRT money to the poor people who have been made cough up ?

Slidey

Well as one of these people who have been avoiding this taxation for some time while waiting for july1st I thought it best not to push my luck further and bought another car to keep me going til then. Gonna park the other yoke til then.
Can honestly say it has been a total pain in the arse permanelty thinking when you are gonna get stopped and if they will lift the car etc..